Anybody knows how to make sourdough bread with a bread machine? Is it
possible? I have a well active starter at the moment and would like to
make bread with the machine...

Thanks!

"maupas" > wrote in message
om...
> Anybody knows how to make sourdough bread with a bread machine?
Is it
> possible? I have a well active starter at the moment and would
like to
> make bread with the machine...
>
> Thanks!

I use mine to ferment the sponge and mix the dough, but then put
the dough in a big bowl to rise a couple of times because the
dough exceeds the capacity of my machine bowl, and I like a free
form loaf baked in the oven on a hot stone with a pan of water
for a better crust.
Ernie
..

Hello, First let me say I'm that I'm very new to sourdough, but I am a
bread machine user. I saw your post and was hoping that someone with more
experience than I would try to steer you in the right direction. (I've been
lurking and soaking up all the wonderful advice that this group has to
offer) I hate to see an unanswered question...

Yes, sourdough can be made in a bread machine, but it's not just plop and
go... It takes a bit of planning and patience!

There are two books that I have found useful. "Classic Sourdoughs A home
baker's handbook" by Ed Wood, it includes a chapter on making authentic
sourdough in bread machines. The second is "World Wide Sourdoughs From Your
Bread Machine" a joint publication from Donna Rathmell German and Ed Wood.
The same recipes are in both books, the Donna Rathmell German book has two
methods The purist method using only your starter for leavening and Donna's
method using your starter for flavor and a bit of yeast for leavening. You
will have to decide which you are more comfortable with.

The technique goes something like this:

1. Put 1/2 cup of starter in your machine with 1 cup of flour and 1/2 cup of
water. (it can be cold) Mix and knead for about 15 minutes. Turn off your
machine.. cover the pan with plastic wrap (I use one of those Glad bowl
covers, looks like shower cap) let it sit at room temp (68º) over night or
in a warmer place (85º) for about 6 hours.

2. In the morning, remove the "shower cap", add 1 cup of flour and 1/2 cup
of water. Mix for about 10 minutes remove the pan from your machine, proof
at room temp for about 8 hours or in a warm place for 4 hrs ( I use my oven
with the light turned on and a cup of warm water sitting on the rack)

3. Next,dissolve 1 teaspoon of salt in 1/4 cup of water add it to the "glop"
in your pan along with 2 cups of flour ( it can be bread flour, or a mixture
of flours) Mix and knead for 20 minutes. At this point you will have to
either add flour or water to adjust your dough ball. (due to the consistency
of your starter some are much more wet than others)

4, At this point I remove my dough and shape it for baking in my oven. If
you have a bake only cycle on your machine, you could leave the dough in
your pan, remove the pan from your machine and put it into a warm place and
watch the dough until it has risen enough, 2 to 3 hours at room temp (68º)
or 1 1/2 to 2 in a warm place (like my oven)

5. When the dough is well risen, bake in a 375º oven for about 40 minutes
( check the temp with a thermometer 200º is a good temp to aim for)

If your machine has a bake only cycle return the pan to your machine and
program it to bake.

Sorry for butting into this group without a formal introduction...
I'm having so much fun learning about sourdough that I had to share what I
have learned.

Rina







"maupas" > wrote in message
om...
> Anybody knows how to make sourdough bread with a bread machine? Is it
> possible? I have a well active starter at the moment and would like to
> make bread with the machine...
>
> Thanks!

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 02:18:23 GMT, "Rina" >
wrote:

>Sorry for butting into this group without a formal introduction...
>I'm having so much fun learning about sourdough that I had to share what I
>have learned.
>
>Rina

Hi Rina,

The group "belongs" to anyone who posts...

Your comments are most welcome.

All the best,

--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

In < >=20

"Kenneth" welcomed "Rina" as follows:

> Your comments are most welcome.

It was more than comments, it was a thoughtfully worked-
out procedure, in response to a sincere, but naive, question.

> The group "belongs" to anyone who posts...

That is quite frightening, but a definite possibility. More
hopeful would be that "belonging" to the group is a privilege
one obtains by perusing the FAQs and posting intelligently.

The following suggestion is offered in
http://www.nyx.net/~dgreenw/newcomertips.html

"6. Most bread machines are designed for bakers' yeast and,=20
among other problems, their rising cycles are too short for=20
successful sourdough. The possible exceptions are user=20
programmable bread machines such as the Zojirushi V20=20
or Breadman Ultimate."

(Well, I guess there are newer models by now.)

That document is available from the Welcome Message which=20
is automatically reposted at r.f.s. every five days.

There is no doubt that clever persons will find ways to make
some kind of a sourdough loaf in a bread machine. But my guess
is that the cleverer ones will give it up quite soon as they discover=20
how impractical it is to do it in that way.

There is a considerable history on this subject, available by=20
searching, particularly in the rec.food.sourdough archive at Google
Groups. ( http://www.google.com/advanced%5Fgroup%5Fsearch?hl=3Den )

In the mean time, perhaps Kenneth will work out a procedure for
the Poil=E2ne loaf in a bread machine, and post a photoessay on the
subject for our edification.

: )

--=20
Dick Adams
<firstname> dot <lastname>at bigfoot dot com

Dick Adams sputtered:

<snipped>

>...perusing the FAQs and posting intelligently.

....and you have/do?

<snipped>

> In the mean time, perhaps Kenneth will work out a procedure for
> the Poilne loaf in a bread machine, and post a photoessay on
> the subject for our edification.

It seems like all you do is criticize. Perhaps you could provide
a URL with photos of your successes in SD baking. This is known
in usenet as "ppostfu".

How the hell did you sneak past my killfiles?

Happily lurking and baking better SD due to reading RFD.

cheers, rte
--
Without data, all you are is just another person with an opinion.
--anon

> wrote in message=20
news:1829667.gS8QT9g89P@n-srvr51_rply...

> ppostfu

Post proof, or what???

> Perhaps you could provide a URL with photos ...

Could try keywords "dick adams" AND sourdough
at Google and at Google Groups.

> It seems like all you do is criticize.

Not really. For instance, I am really impressed by
you posting style, in spite of your stupid ID, lack=20
of email info, and predilection for chat-room gutter
slang.

--=20
Dick Adams
<firstname> dot <lastname>at bigfoot dot com