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Sourdough (rec.food.sourdough) Discussing the hobby or craft of baking with sourdough. We are not just a recipe group, Our charter is to discuss the care, feeding, and breeding of yeasts and lactobacilli that make up sourdough cultures. |
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Some of the background of this note will be familiar to some readers of
this note, but I'm including it because I'm sending this to several mailing lists. Different people have different tolerances for change. Some people love change. Some are reluctant to put a new roll of toilet paper in the dispenser. Some, probably most of us, will change only if circumstances force us to. For reasons that probably don't bear close examination, after we closed our bakery, we decided to sell breads at our local farmers market. (Actually, my wife and I just had a "but, I thought it was YOUR idea" conversation.) We were determined enough that we helped reoranize the market after last year's organizers left town. And, in a moment of weakness, wound up being the director of the market. I found a bakery I could use, and work began. However, last week, the first week of the market and the first week we used the bakery, the mixer at the bakery died. The owner, who only does sweet things, had just bought the used mixer and had mixed feelings about it. It was still under warranty, and she felt that now was the time to show up its weak points. I felt better when I learned she felt that way. All week long, the dealer kept saying, "tomorrow you'll see the repair guy and it'll work again!" Friday, he finally showed up. He looked at the mixer, cursed, and put it in his truck saying he had to take it back to the shop. This left me with 5 batches of bread ranging from 12 to 20 1.5 lb loaves to make and no mixer. And a sense of dread. I have made lots of bread by hand, but not that much. We're talking about 125 pounds of dough. How the heck will I knead that much dough by hand? Should I blow off going to the market? On the other hand, I have a bucket of sourdough starter and a bucket of poolish that will need to be used or thrown away, and if I don't go to the market, I won't make any money. In the end, I sent a "what do I do now? Please give me advide or commiseration" note to the Bread Baker's Guild of America mailing list. (As a side note, if you are a serious baker, you are elgible to join. The rates are reasonable, and the mailing list is just awesome. Look at http://www.bbga.org/) A few people commiserated, some said they'd help if they weren't 1/2 way across the country. Two gave me good advice. And then I got an email that may well change my life. Craig Ponsford sent me a note saying, "Call me at 555-1212" Craig is a baker's baker. He is also very generous to the bakery community. He's the president of the Bread Baker's Guild of America, he owns a very successful bakery in Sonoma, California, and he was on, and then coached, the American teams that won the Coupe du Monde de la Boulangerie. His bakery has the http://www.artisanbakers.com web site, and there's lots of good information there. Getting that message from him is sorta like an amateur physicist getting an email from Steven Hawking saying, "please call". Lucky for me, he is kind, generous, and a wonderful person, so I felt at ease talking to him seconds into our phone call. "Mike, when I teach classes, I teach students to not knead. You don't need to knead. If we weren't doing thousands of pounds of dough a day, I wouldn't own a mixer, or knead dough. If you give up kneading, your breads will only get better!" At this point I was conflicted. When I was growing up, my mother made all our bread. She kneaded. When I learned to bake in the late 1970's, I kneaded. When we opened a bakery, we got a big mixer to knead our dough. Sure, Craig knows what he's talking about... but is he giving me the straight skinny, or is he shitting me? On the other hand, nothing ventured, nothing gained. I want to be at the market, and I want to sell bread there. And better bread sounds pretty cool. He asks about my dough hydration, and I tell him it ranges from 55 to about 75%. He comments he likes wetter doughs better, and he routinely makes 95% hydration doughs. (A side note to WSCJohn - you are no longer the "King of Glop", you may select between "Ambassador of Glop" and "Crowned Prince of Glop" as your new title.) But, Craig assures me, this technique will work with the doughs I'm talking about. Craig further asked me how much flour was in the starters as a percent of the recipe. I think he was impressed that I knew, and that I was using about 30% in poolish based recipes and around 25% in levain/sourdough based recipes. He then asked how long my bulk fermentations were. I told him between 3 and 6 hours, depending on the bread. He again made approving noises. Then he told me what I needed to do.... Here is, roughly, what Craig told me. Roughly mix the ingreadients, make sure all the flour is moistened. If you are using a poolish, don't worry that it hasn't been incorporated into the dough. It's OK if its a slimy mess with strands of unincorporated poolish in it. Put the roughly mixed dough into containers and let them sit 45 minutes. Then dump out the dough onto a work table. Spread the dough out until its a rectangle about 3" thick. Then fold in the edges of the bread - top and bottom, left and wsummer. |
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Mike Avery wrote:
> Some of the background of this note will be familiar to some readers > of this note, but I'm including it because I'm sending this to several > mailing lists. Oops... I'd planned on saving that and sending it tomorrow after I finished it. I guess the next part will be sent as "part 2". Sorry, Mike |
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Mike Avery wrote:
> Mike Avery wrote: > >> Some of the background of this note will be familiar to some readers >> of this note, but I'm including it because I'm sending this to several >> mailing lists. > > > > Oops... I'd planned on saving that and sending it tomorrow after I > finished it. I guess the next part will be sent as "part 2". > > Sorry, > Mike > And you just leave us HANGING HERE?!?! You should write for TV series... |
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Mike Avery wrote:
> Mike Avery wrote: > >> Some of the background of this note will be familiar to some readers >> of this note, but I'm including it because I'm sending this to >> several mailing lists. > > > > Oops... I'd planned on saving that and sending it tomorrow after I > finished it. I guess the next part will be sent as "part 2". > > Sorry, > Mike > > |
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![]() Mike, Thanks for relating the experience. Great narrative. I have a bowl of starter being activated just to try this technique out. Using stretch and folds during a normal rise (following a regular kneading cycle), I notice the dough gets very fluffy which seems desireable. It will be interesting to see what happens with only the pre-mix and no kneading. Good post. Ed Bechtel |
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