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With all of the advice and comments on this board, I have gotten really good with my whole wheat sour dough process. It has gotten so easy that I almost feel guilty not taking anymore time to work the dough.
I grind the wheat, mix the dough in a large single bowl, cover it. Approx every hour or so I reach in and roll/knead the dough in the bowl taking no more than 1 minute each time. I do this about 3 times or so. Then I let it rise a few hours, maybe give it another knead, then let it rise again. I just work around my schedule. If I am gone for hours at a time, then I let it rise on the counter at room temp so it takes longer to rise. If I am around the house I will let it rise in a warm oven. Whatever I do though, it is really quick, easy and produces delicious bread. Even though we have a mixer and about any other machines we need in the kitchen, I do not use them or need them. When it is all over, I wash one bowl and a couple of utensils and maybe the starter container. VERY EASY. Just had 8 beautiful loaves come out of the oven just in time for dinner! I also just recv'd some Kefir grains and am making my own kefir to drink and make cheese. Just a couple of small jars of 'critters' growing in the corner of my kitchen cabinet and a couple of tiny jars of starter in the refridgerator. So I am considered a 'nut' around my house, but who cares! John |
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Hi John,
This post really caught my eye as what you describe is exactly what I am looking for. Can you direct me to specific (as detailed as possible) recipe and instructions on making whole wheat bread like this? Does your method produce a reasonably well risen loaf, as opposed to a brick? Many thanks for the inspiration. Regards, Eric BigJohn wrote: > With all of the advice and comments on this board, I have gotten really good with my whole wheat sour dough process. It has gotten so easy that I almost feel guilty not taking anymore time to work the dough. > > I grind the wheat, mix the dough in a large single bowl, cover it. Approx every hour or so I reach in and roll/knead the dough in the bowl taking no more than 1 minute each time. I do this about 3 times or so. Then I let it rise a few hours, maybe give it another knead, then let it rise again. I just work around my schedule. If I am gone for hours at a time, then I let it rise on the counter at room temp so it takes longer to rise. If I am around the house I will let it rise in a warm oven. Whatever I do though, it is really quick, easy and produces delicious bread. > > Even though we have a mixer and about any other machines we need in the kitchen, I do not use them or need them. When it is all over, I wash one bowl and a couple of utensils and maybe the starter container. VERY EASY. Just had 8 beautiful loaves come out of the oven just in time for dinner! > > I also just recv'd some Kefir grains and am making my own kefir to drink and make cheese. Just a couple of small jars of 'critters' growing in the corner of my kitchen cabinet and a couple of tiny jars of starter in the refridgerator. So I am considered a 'nut' around my house, but who cares! > > John > ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C69895.7013C250 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-Google-AttachSize: 2255 > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > <HTML><HEAD> > <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> > <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=GENERATOR> > <STYLE></STYLE> > </HEAD> > <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With all of the advice and comments on this board, > I have gotten really good with my whole wheat sour dough process. It has > gotten so easy that I almost feel guilty not taking anymore time to work the > dough. </FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I grind the wheat, mix the dough in a large single > bowl, cover it. Approx every hour or so I reach in and roll/knead the > dough in the bowl taking no more than 1 minute each time. I do this about > 3 times or so. Then I let it rise a few hours, maybe give it another > knead, then let it rise again. I just work around my schedule. If I > am gone for hours at a time, then I let it rise on the counter at room temp so > it takes longer to rise. If I am around the house I will let it rise in a > warm oven. Whatever I do though, it is really quick, easy and produces > delicious bread. </FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even though we have a mixer and about any other > machines we need in the kitchen, I do not use them or need them. When it > is all over, I wash one bowl and a couple of utensils and maybe the starter > container. VERY EASY. Just had 8 beautiful loaves come out of > the oven just in time for dinner!</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also just recv'd some Kefir grains and am making > my own kefir to drink and make cheese. Just a couple of small jars of > 'critters' growing in the corner of my kitchen cabinet and a couple of tiny jars > of starter in the refridgerator. So I am considered a 'nut' around my > house, but who cares!</FONT></DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> > > ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C69895.7013C250-- |
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Here is my recipe. My bread does double or triple in volume as it rises
and my bread is light (in my opinion). I am sure it is as light as white flour, but as you get used to the ww flour, you get better and better at making it lighter. The buttermilk goes a long way in helping with the kneading process and making the bread soft. Also, I found that when I make miniature loaves of bread in small bread pans, the bread it much lighter for some reason. Simple whole wheat recipe: approx. 1 1/2 cups active starter 5 1/2 cups whole wheat flour (I do grind it fresh so another type of flour may require more or less liquid) 2 cups water (I now use buttermilk which takes about 3 cups) 2 tsps sea salt Mix it well, cover it, and for the first 3 hours or so, just roll and knead it inside the bowl for about 1 minute each hour. (You will see that the dough is getting smooth and elastic). After that, let it double in volume or more, knead it again for a minute, and let it rise again, knead it gently again, then let it do its' final rising and baking. 35 minutes on about 375 degrees. It takes me about 9 to 10 hours from start to finish. Hope this makes sense ................... "Breadtopia" > wrote in message ups.com... > Hi John, > > This post really caught my eye as what you describe is exactly what I > am looking for. Can you direct me to specific (as detailed as possible) > recipe and instructions on making whole wheat bread like this? > > Does your method produce a reasonably well risen loaf, as opposed to a > brick? > > Many thanks for the inspiration. > > Regards, > > Eric > > > BigJohn wrote: >> With all of the advice and comments on this board, I have gotten really >> good with my whole wheat sour dough process. It has gotten so easy that >> I almost feel guilty not taking anymore time to work the dough. >> >> I grind the wheat, mix the dough in a large single bowl, cover it. >> Approx every hour or so I reach in and roll/knead the dough in the bowl >> taking no more than 1 minute each time. I do this about 3 times or so. >> Then I let it rise a few hours, maybe give it another knead, then let it >> rise again. I just work around my schedule. If I am gone for hours at a >> time, then I let it rise on the counter at room temp so it takes longer >> to rise. If I am around the house I will let it rise in a warm oven. >> Whatever I do though, it is really quick, easy and produces delicious >> bread. >> >> Even though we have a mixer and about any other machines we need in the >> kitchen, I do not use them or need them. When it is all over, I wash one >> bowl and a couple of utensils and maybe the starter container. VERY >> EASY. Just had 8 beautiful loaves come out of the oven just in time for >> dinner! >> >> I also just recv'd some Kefir grains and am making my own kefir to drink >> and make cheese. Just a couple of small jars of 'critters' growing in >> the corner of my kitchen cabinet and a couple of tiny jars of starter in >> the refridgerator. So I am considered a 'nut' around my house, but who >> cares! >> >> John >> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C69895.7013C250 >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> X-Google-AttachSize: 2255 >> >> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> >> <HTML><HEAD> >> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> >> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=GENERATOR> >> <STYLE></STYLE> >> </HEAD> >> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With all of the advice and comments on this >> board, >> I have gotten really good with my whole wheat sour dough process. >> It has >> gotten so easy that I almost feel guilty not taking anymore time to work >> the >> dough. </FONT></DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I grind the wheat, mix the dough in a large >> single >> bowl, cover it. Approx every hour or so I reach in and >> roll/knead the >> dough in the bowl taking no more than 1 minute each time. I do this >> about >> 3 times or so. Then I let it rise a few hours, maybe give it >> another >> knead, then let it rise again. I just work around my >> schedule. If I >> am gone for hours at a time, then I let it rise on the counter at room >> temp so >> it takes longer to rise. If I am around the house I will let it >> rise in a >> warm oven. Whatever I do though, it is really quick, easy and >> produces >> delicious bread. </FONT></DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even though we have a mixer and about any >> other >> machines we need in the kitchen, I do not use them or need them. >> When it >> is all over, I wash one bowl and a couple of utensils and maybe the >> starter >> container. VERY EASY. Just had 8 beautiful loaves come >> out of >> the oven just in time for dinner!</FONT></DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also just recv'd some Kefir grains and am >> making >> my own kefir to drink and make cheese. Just a couple of small jars >> of >> 'critters' growing in the corner of my kitchen cabinet and a couple of >> tiny jars >> of starter in the refridgerator. So I am considered a 'nut' around >> my >> house, but who cares!</FONT></DIV> >> <DIV> </DIV> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C69895.7013C250-- > |
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Thanks for the info, John. Yes, that does make sense.
Just one question. I suppose the 1 1/2 cups of starter is just a plain white flour based starter, and not a ww starter, right? Eric BigJohn wrote: > Here is my recipe. My bread does double or triple in volume as it rises > and my bread is light (in my opinion). I am sure it is as light as white > flour, but as you get used to the ww flour, you get better and better at > making it lighter. The buttermilk goes a long way in helping with the > kneading process and making the bread soft. Also, I found that when I make > miniature loaves of bread in small bread pans, the bread it much lighter for > some reason. > > Simple whole wheat recipe: > approx. 1 1/2 cups active starter > > 5 1/2 cups whole wheat flour (I do grind it fresh so another type of flour > may require more or less liquid) > > 2 cups water (I now use buttermilk which takes about 3 cups) > > 2 tsps sea salt > > Mix it well, cover it, and for the first 3 hours or so, just roll and knead > it inside the bowl for about 1 minute each hour. (You will see that the > dough is getting smooth and elastic). After that, let it double in volume > or more, knead it again for a minute, and let it rise again, knead it gently > again, then let it do its' final rising and baking. 35 minutes on about 375 > degrees. It takes me about 9 to 10 hours from start to finish. > > > Hope this makes sense ................... > > "Breadtopia" > wrote in message > ups.com... > > Hi John, > > > > This post really caught my eye as what you describe is exactly what I > > am looking for. Can you direct me to specific (as detailed as possible) > > recipe and instructions on making whole wheat bread like this? > > > > Does your method produce a reasonably well risen loaf, as opposed to a > > brick? > > > > Many thanks for the inspiration. > > > > Regards, > > > > Eric > > > > > > BigJohn wrote: > >> With all of the advice and comments on this board, I have gotten really > >> good with my whole wheat sour dough process. It has gotten so easy that > >> I almost feel guilty not taking anymore time to work the dough. > >> > >> I grind the wheat, mix the dough in a large single bowl, cover it. > >> Approx every hour or so I reach in and roll/knead the dough in the bowl > >> taking no more than 1 minute each time. I do this about 3 times or so. > >> Then I let it rise a few hours, maybe give it another knead, then let it > >> rise again. I just work around my schedule. If I am gone for hours at a > >> time, then I let it rise on the counter at room temp so it takes longer > >> to rise. If I am around the house I will let it rise in a warm oven. > >> Whatever I do though, it is really quick, easy and produces delicious > >> bread. > >> > >> Even though we have a mixer and about any other machines we need in the > >> kitchen, I do not use them or need them. When it is all over, I wash one > >> bowl and a couple of utensils and maybe the starter container. VERY > >> EASY. Just had 8 beautiful loaves come out of the oven just in time for > >> dinner! > >> > >> I also just recv'd some Kefir grains and am making my own kefir to drink > >> and make cheese. Just a couple of small jars of 'critters' growing in > >> the corner of my kitchen cabinet and a couple of tiny jars of starter in > >> the refridgerator. So I am considered a 'nut' around my house, but who > >> cares! > >> > >> John > >> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C69895.7013C250 > >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >> X-Google-AttachSize: 2255 > >> > >> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > >> <HTML><HEAD> > >> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> > >> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=GENERATOR> > >> <STYLE></STYLE> > >> </HEAD> > >> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> > >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With all of the advice and comments on this > >> board, > >> I have gotten really good with my whole wheat sour dough process. > >> It has > >> gotten so easy that I almost feel guilty not taking anymore time to work > >> the > >> dough. </FONT></DIV> > >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> > >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I grind the wheat, mix the dough in a large > >> single > >> bowl, cover it. Approx every hour or so I reach in and > >> roll/knead the > >> dough in the bowl taking no more than 1 minute each time. I do this > >> about > >> 3 times or so. Then I let it rise a few hours, maybe give it > >> another > >> knead, then let it rise again. I just work around my > >> schedule. If I > >> am gone for hours at a time, then I let it rise on the counter at room > >> temp so > >> it takes longer to rise. If I am around the house I will let it > >> rise in a > >> warm oven. Whatever I do though, it is really quick, easy and > >> produces > >> delicious bread. </FONT></DIV> > >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> > >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even though we have a mixer and about any > >> other > >> machines we need in the kitchen, I do not use them or need them. > >> When it > >> is all over, I wash one bowl and a couple of utensils and maybe the > >> starter > >> container. VERY EASY. Just had 8 beautiful loaves come > >> out of > >> the oven just in time for dinner!</FONT></DIV> > >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> > >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also just recv'd some Kefir grains and am > >> making > >> my own kefir to drink and make cheese. Just a couple of small jars > >> of > >> 'critters' growing in the corner of my kitchen cabinet and a couple of > >> tiny jars > >> of starter in the refridgerator. So I am considered a 'nut' around > >> my > >> house, but who cares!</FONT></DIV> > >> <DIV> </DIV> > >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> > >> > >> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C69895.7013C250-- > > |
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Exactly. Unbleached white. I hate the taste of ww flour starter and it
also smells terrible to me. The starter made with white flour has a good smell. All of the other ingredients are more wholesome. You might want to try a couple of tablespoons of olive oil later. But it is just as good without it. "Breadtopia" > wrote in message ups.com... > Thanks for the info, John. Yes, that does make sense. > > Just one question. I suppose the 1 1/2 cups of starter is just a plain > white flour based starter, and not a ww starter, right? > > Eric > > > BigJohn wrote: >> Here is my recipe. My bread does double or triple in volume as it rises >> and my bread is light (in my opinion). I am sure it is as light as white >> flour, but as you get used to the ww flour, you get better and better at >> making it lighter. The buttermilk goes a long way in helping with the >> kneading process and making the bread soft. Also, I found that when I >> make >> miniature loaves of bread in small bread pans, the bread it much lighter >> for >> some reason. >> >> Simple whole wheat recipe: >> approx. 1 1/2 cups active starter >> >> 5 1/2 cups whole wheat flour (I do grind it fresh so another type of >> flour >> may require more or less liquid) >> >> 2 cups water (I now use buttermilk which takes about 3 cups) >> >> 2 tsps sea salt >> >> Mix it well, cover it, and for the first 3 hours or so, just roll and >> knead >> it inside the bowl for about 1 minute each hour. (You will see that the >> dough is getting smooth and elastic). After that, let it double in >> volume >> or more, knead it again for a minute, and let it rise again, knead it >> gently >> again, then let it do its' final rising and baking. 35 minutes on about >> 375 >> degrees. It takes me about 9 to 10 hours from start to finish. >> >> >> Hope this makes sense ................... >> >> "Breadtopia" > wrote in message >> ups.com... >> > Hi John, >> > >> > This post really caught my eye as what you describe is exactly what I >> > am looking for. Can you direct me to specific (as detailed as possible) >> > recipe and instructions on making whole wheat bread like this? >> > >> > Does your method produce a reasonably well risen loaf, as opposed to a >> > brick? >> > >> > Many thanks for the inspiration. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Eric >> > >> > >> > BigJohn wrote: >> >> With all of the advice and comments on this board, I have gotten >> >> really >> >> good with my whole wheat sour dough process. It has gotten so easy >> >> that >> >> I almost feel guilty not taking anymore time to work the dough. >> >> >> >> I grind the wheat, mix the dough in a large single bowl, cover it. >> >> Approx every hour or so I reach in and roll/knead the dough in the >> >> bowl >> >> taking no more than 1 minute each time. I do this about 3 times or >> >> so. >> >> Then I let it rise a few hours, maybe give it another knead, then let >> >> it >> >> rise again. I just work around my schedule. If I am gone for hours >> >> at a >> >> time, then I let it rise on the counter at room temp so it takes >> >> longer >> >> to rise. If I am around the house I will let it rise in a warm oven. >> >> Whatever I do though, it is really quick, easy and produces delicious >> >> bread. >> >> >> >> Even though we have a mixer and about any other machines we need in >> >> the >> >> kitchen, I do not use them or need them. When it is all over, I wash >> >> one >> >> bowl and a couple of utensils and maybe the starter container. VERY >> >> EASY. Just had 8 beautiful loaves come out of the oven just in time >> >> for >> >> dinner! >> >> >> >> I also just recv'd some Kefir grains and am making my own kefir to >> >> drink >> >> and make cheese. Just a couple of small jars of 'critters' growing in >> >> the corner of my kitchen cabinet and a couple of tiny jars of starter >> >> in >> >> the refridgerator. So I am considered a 'nut' around my house, but >> >> who >> >> cares! >> >> >> >> John >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C69895.7013C250 >> >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> X-Google-AttachSize: 2255 >> >> >> >> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> >> >> <HTML><HEAD> >> >> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> >> >> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=GENERATOR> >> >> <STYLE></STYLE> >> >> </HEAD> >> >> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> >> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With all of the advice and comments on >> >> this >> >> board, >> >> I have gotten really good with my whole wheat sour dough >> >> process. >> >> It has >> >> gotten so easy that I almost feel guilty not taking anymore time to >> >> work >> >> the >> >> dough. </FONT></DIV> >> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> >> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I grind the wheat, mix the dough in a >> >> large >> >> single >> >> bowl, cover it. Approx every hour or so I reach in and >> >> roll/knead the >> >> dough in the bowl taking no more than 1 minute each time. I do >> >> this >> >> about >> >> 3 times or so. Then I let it rise a few hours, maybe give it >> >> another >> >> knead, then let it rise again. I just work around my >> >> schedule. If I >> >> am gone for hours at a time, then I let it rise on the counter at room >> >> temp so >> >> it takes longer to rise. If I am around the house I will let it >> >> rise in a >> >> warm oven. Whatever I do though, it is really quick, easy and >> >> produces >> >> delicious bread. </FONT></DIV> >> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> >> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even though we have a mixer and about any >> >> other >> >> machines we need in the kitchen, I do not use them or need them. >> >> When it >> >> is all over, I wash one bowl and a couple of utensils and maybe the >> >> starter >> >> container. VERY EASY. Just had 8 beautiful loaves >> >> come >> >> out of >> >> the oven just in time for dinner!</FONT></DIV> >> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> >> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also just recv'd some Kefir grains and >> >> am >> >> making >> >> my own kefir to drink and make cheese. Just a couple of small >> >> jars >> >> of >> >> 'critters' growing in the corner of my kitchen cabinet and a couple of >> >> tiny jars >> >> of starter in the refridgerator. So I am considered a 'nut' >> >> around >> >> my >> >> house, but who cares!</FONT></DIV> >> >> <DIV> </DIV> >> >> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> >> >> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C69895.7013C250-- >> > > |
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BigJohn wrote: > I hate the taste of ww flour starter and it > also smells terrible to me. One of my sons isn't particularly fond of red wheat. He is good with white wheat flour and rye. Have you tried those? |
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BigJohn wrote: > > 2 cups water (I now use buttermilk which takes about 3 cups) > Have you tried replacing the buttermilk with your kefir? It does a great job! Nancy |
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"BigJohn" > wrote in message ... (...) Approx every hour or so I reach in and roll/knead the dough in the bowl taking no more than 1 minute each time. I do this about 3 times or so. Then I let it rise a few hours, maybe give it another knead, then let it rise again. I just work around my schedule. If I am gone for hours at a time, then I let it rise on the counter at room temp so it takes longer to rise. If I am around the house I will let it rise in a warm oven. Whatever I do though, it is really quick, easy and produces delicious bread. The Human Bread Machine!! Even though we have a mixer and about any other machines we need in the kitchen, I do not use them or need them. When it is all over, I wash one bowl and a couple of utensils and maybe the starter container. VERY EASY. Just had 8 beautiful loaves come out of the oven just in time for dinner! 8....wow! I also just recv'd some Kefir grains and am making my own kefir to drink and make cheese. Just a couple of small jars of 'critters' growing in the corner of my kitchen cabinet and a couple of tiny jars of starter in the refridgerator. So I am considered a 'nut' around my house, but who cares! Hooray for the nuts! The wacky folks always eat better.....  I've gotten pretty comfortable with the baking routine too. I do a bit more mixing -- mainly as a batter before the larger part of the flour is added, but after that, it's just coasting. Sourdough is much more forgiving than dough raised with commercial yeast! It never seems to flop on me. Now that the intensely experimental phase is over, it has become an almost meditative process. The kids & I haven't bought commercial bread since the starter arrived a couple of months ago. Nothing gets hopelessly screwed up. Mind-blowing. By the boo, where'd you get your kefir grains? Tara |
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