I hate mayo. Always have. Lately I've been interested in sushi, and
have started trying to make my own. I always order with light mayo,
or no mayo. I can't stand when there is a lot in it. I'd like to
hear some opinions from some of the more seasoned sushi connesours
here. Is it really an authentic ingredient in rolls? Am I violating
some sacred sushi statute by omitting it from my rolls?

discuss....

wrote:
> I hate mayo. Always have. Lately I've been interested in sushi, and
> have started trying to make my own. I always order with light mayo,
> or no mayo. I can't stand when there is a lot in it. I'd like to
> hear some opinions from some of the more seasoned sushi connesours
> here. Is it really an authentic ingredient in rolls? Am I violating
> some sacred sushi statute by omitting it from my rolls?

Mayo is not an authentic ingredient in sushi.

--
Dan

On 2008-01-03 18:47:58 -0800, said:

> I hate mayo. Always have. Lately I've been interested in sushi, and
> have started trying to make my own. I always order with light mayo,
> or no mayo. I can't stand when there is a lot in it. I'd like to
> hear some opinions from some of the more seasoned sushi connesours
> here. Is it really an authentic ingredient in rolls? Am I violating
> some sacred sushi statute by omitting it from my rolls?
>
> discuss....

Authentic? I'm guessing any roll that includes mayo is certainly not
authentic. But then I rarely even do rolls. I'll get a roll when I'm
with another, we're having lunch and we really don't have the time to
pick and choose a little of this and a little of that. I'll get a
couple orders hamachi, saba, and then a couple of jumbo freak-out
rolls. Caterpillar or crunchy roll.

Do those have mayo? If they do I'm surprised, and it's certainly never
been a problem.

I always note they cook green-mussels in a toaster oven and frequently
smeer it with kewpie mayo. I think they do that in some other
toaster-baked items. I don't find it offensive, but I could do without
I suppose.
--
///---

On Jan 3, 11:23 pm, Gerry > wrote:
> On 2008-01-03 18:47:58 -0800, said:
>
> > I hate mayo. Always have. Lately I've been interested in sushi, and
> > have started trying to make my own. I always order with light mayo,
> > or no mayo. I can't stand when there is a lot in it. I'd like to
> > hear some opinions from some of the more seasoned sushi connesours
> > here. Is it really an authentic ingredient in rolls? Am I violating
> > some sacred sushi statute by omitting it from my rolls?
>
> > discuss....
>
> Authentic? I'm guessing any roll that includes mayo is certainly not
> authentic. But then I rarely even do rolls. I'll get a roll when I'm
> with another, we're having lunch and we really don't have the time to
> pick and choose a little of this and a little of that. I'll get a
> couple orders hamachi, saba, and then a couple of jumbo freak-out
> rolls. Caterpillar or crunchy roll.
>
> Do those have mayo? If they do I'm surprised, and it's certainly never
> been a problem.

Maybe it's a St. Louis, MO thing. Every sushi place I've been to here
there is some sort of mayo slathered in every roll I get.

wrote:
> On Jan 3, 11:23 pm, Gerry > wrote:
> > On 2008-01-03 18:47:58 -0800, said:
> >
> > > I hate mayo. Always have. Lately I've been interested in sushi, and
> > > have started trying to make my own. I always order with light mayo,
> > > or no mayo. I can't stand when there is a lot in it. I'd like to
> > > hear some opinions from some of the more seasoned sushi connesours
> > > here. Is it really an authentic ingredient in rolls? Am I violating
> > > some sacred sushi statute by omitting it from my rolls?
> >
> > > discuss....
> >
> > Authentic? I'm guessing any roll that includes mayo is certainly not
> > authentic. But then I rarely even do rolls. I'll get a roll when I'm
> > with another, we're having lunch and we really don't have the time to
> > pick and choose a little of this and a little of that. I'll get a
> > couple orders hamachi, saba, and then a couple of jumbo freak-out
> > rolls. Caterpillar or crunchy roll.
> >
> > Do those have mayo? If they do I'm surprised, and it's certainly never
> > been a problem.
>
> Maybe it's a St. Louis, MO thing. Every sushi place I've been to here
> there is some sort of mayo slathered in every roll I get.

You may not be going to the right places. The sushiya I patronize doesn't
use mayo at all. California roll, Spider roll, Caterpillar roll, etc., are
not traditional Japanese. I don't think Kaiaki is either. If you must use
mayo (which you said you hate - I'm confused), try to find Kewpie brand
Japanese mayo. You might even add a little Wasabi and either Masago or
Tobiko to it.

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"Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> sometime in the recent past posted this:
> > I hate mayo. Always have. Lately I've been interested in sushi, and
> > have started trying to make my own. I always order with light mayo,
> > or no mayo. I can't stand when there is a lot in it. I'd like to
> > hear some opinions from some of the more seasoned sushi connesours
> > here. Is it really an authentic ingredient in rolls? Am I violating
> > some sacred sushi statute by omitting it from my rolls?
> >
> > discuss....
> Whether or not mayo is traditional for sushi, it seems to have
> taken over the hearts and taste buds in Japan. I've read about it,
> seen it on TV and they make it there too. So traditional? Maybe
> not, but its now current and in a couple of hundred years, maybe
> it will be 'traditional' too.
>
> But if you don't like it, don't have it. I've yet to find anything
> served that I don't like ;-)
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>

That's true. While the use of Mayonaise and the various dishes like
California Roll, Spider Roll, Dragon Roll,
Rainbow Roll, what-ever-Roll etc are all American inventions, there is now a
flow of these new non-traditional
sushi forms going back to Japan where it is accepted a novelty, which it
obviously is.
I may very well be biased but while such items will probably become accepted
as nouveaux-sushi in Japan
I doubt they will ever become integrated into what is considered
"traditional" sushi. Ther are still far too many
small traditonal sushi shokunin in Japan very set in their ways. Such new
non-traditional sushi are appearing
mostly in low-price Kaiten Zushi places and in upscale
"western-cosmopolitan" restaurants.
M

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:47:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

> I hate mayo. Always have. Lately I've been interested in sushi, and
> have started trying to make my own. I always order with light mayo,
> or no mayo. I can't stand when there is a lot in it. I'd like to
> hear some opinions from some of the more seasoned sushi connesours
> here. Is it really an authentic ingredient in rolls?


No. Mayonnaise is not authentic in rolls or any other kind of sushi. I
don't remember ever seeing mayonnaise in sushi, but if I got any kind
of sushi with mayonnaise (any amount) in it, I'd send it back.


> Am I violating
> some sacred sushi statute by omitting it from my rolls?


Not at all. Just the opposite, since it's not at all authentic.

But personally, I'm much more interested in what tastes good to me
than what's authentic. If I liked mayonnaise in sushi, I would eat it,
but I don't, and I won't.

I feel the same way about cream cheese, which is completely
inauthentic in sushi (and unfortunately is occasionally seen). More
important than its being inauthentic is that it doesn't taste good in
sushi (to me) and I don't want it there.

I'm not sure where or how these strange modern additions to sushi got
started, but I don't particularly care. I don't want any, and wouldn't
accept sushi made with any.

I also hardly ever eat sushi rolls of any kind. With rare exceptions
(I like salmon skin hand rolls and an occasional unagi hand roll), I
stick to nigiri, which I greatly prefer.

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Ken Blake > wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:47:58 -0800 (PST),
> [ . . . ]

> I also hardly ever eat sushi rolls of any kind. With rare exceptions
> (I like salmon skin hand rolls and an occasional unagi hand roll), I
> stick to nigiri, which I greatly prefer.

Those are both great! I also like ume boshi, natto and gobo (not all
together) temake. I mostly eat sashimi muriowase and finish with an
ikurauzurazushi. Oishi!

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Although I dislike mayo on sandwiches, I do use Kewpie mayo when I make my
own spicy sauce for shrimp or tuna. I got the recipe from my old sushi-chef
on the East Coast, where a spicy tuna roll is often made with a Kewpie-based
sauce. I mix some Kewpie mayo ( it must be Kewpie because of its unique
taste) with some "Chili Garlic" hot sauce which contains garlic, and some
chopped chives. The "Chili Garlic" hot sauce is available in my local
supermarkets; it has a green plastic top on it and a drawing of a chicken on
the front of the bottle, and it is called "Chili Garlic Sauce".

I use this spicy sauce, mixed into some cut-up cooked shrimps and rice and
raw onions, or with some fresh high-quality raw tuna.

The sushi chefs here in Arizona never use this kind of sauce in anything,
and they shrink with horror if I ask them about using Kewpie mayo in their
rolls.

Sam K.

Although I dislike mayo on sandwiches, I do use Kewpie mayo when I
make my
own spicy sauce for shrimp or tuna...


__________________

I like mayo on vegetables and such, but not on raw fish thank you.
Ugh! I'm an old fashioned sushi purist.

I read that mayo was all the rage in Japan. I bought some Kewpie
Japanese mayo at the Asian market. I thought that supermarket mayo is
10X cheaper and better, too.

Wikepedia on Japanese mayo:

"Japanese mayonnaise, typically made with rice vinegar, tastes
somewhat different from mayonnaise made from distilled vinegar and is
yellowish in appearance. It is most often sold in soft plastic squeeze
bottles. Apart from salads, it is popular with dishes such as
okonomiyaki, takoyaki and yakisoba. It is sometimes served with cooked
vegetables, or mixed with soy sauce or wasabi and used as dips. In the
T¨*kai region, it is a frequent condiment on hiyashi chuka (cold noodle
salad).

Kewpie (Q.P.) is the most popular brand of Japanese mayonnaise,
advertised with a Kewpie doll logo.

People who are known to like mayonnaise are commonly called mayora (¥Þ¥è
¥é©`) by their friends."

On Jan 3, 9:47*pm, wrote:
> I hate mayo. *Always have. *Lately I've been interested in sushi, and
> have started trying to make my own. *I always order with light mayo,
> or no mayo. *I can't stand when there is a lot in it. *I'd like to
> hear some opinions from some of the more seasoned sushi connesours
> here. *Is it really an authentic ingredient in rolls? *Am I violating
> some sacred sushi statute by omitting it from my rolls?
>
> discuss....

Food is meant to be enjoyed, whatever your tastes.

If you like Tabasco on your Ikura with a side of coleslaw, and it's
available at the place you're eating, then eat it and enjoy it!

This fanaticism about making sure someone else likes what you eat is
crazy.

As long as you're polite, do not make other diners unhappy because of
your behavior and you enjoy the food as you like it prepared, go for
it.

If someone else makes a comment about how you like your food, then
tell them to mind their own business and enjoy their food the way they
like it and leave you alone.

Watching someone else eat their food at another table is considered
rude. If someone does this to you, ignore them and enjoy what you've
paid for.

If you don't like mayo on anything, then instruct the chef to NOT put
it on anything he serves you.

By this advice, I don't mean for you to pull out a jug of kimche and
pour it over your meal. If kimche is offered and you like it on your
rolls, then ask for it to be put into your rolls. It's your meal, not
anyone else's.

As for "Traditional" or not....who cares? I eat what I enjoy. I don't
eat what I don't enjoy.

Unless you're eating your sushi while standing at a cart in the
street, then you're really NOT being truly "Traditional" if you want
to go back far enough. Let's not be silly folks.

I certainly don't mean to insult anyone, but if someone were to tell
someone how to eat their food, then they better be paying for it and
talking to their own children.

Yes, there are limits. Polite. Not making a big scene. Common everyday
politeness.

I've been eating sushi for 30 years. Don't tell me how to eat my food.
I'll eat it as I like to within reason.

I don't care what scale the place is. Unless the chef is paying for my
meal, I'll eat what I feel like eating and he'll make it the way I
tell him to make it or I'll simply go elsewhere.

In those 30 years, not a single person has ever told me that I was
eating my sushi wrong with the exception of a very impolite waitress
who told me to use chops instead of using my fingers for pieces of a
roll. I told her in short order to mind her own business and go away.
The manager of the place agreed with me.

Good luck to all of you, but come on, lets not get all weird about
what is ok for a person to eat when they are paying for it and being
polite.

(My 2 cents)

John Doe > wrote:
> On Jan 3, 9:47=A0pm, wrote:
> > [ . . . ]
>
> Food is meant to be enjoyed, whatever your tastes.
>
> If you like Tabasco on your Ikura with a side of coleslaw, and it's
> available at the place you're eating, then eat it and enjoy it!
>
> This fanaticism about making sure someone else likes what you eat is
> crazy.
>
> As long as you're polite, do not make other diners unhappy because of
> your behavior and you enjoy the food as you like it prepared, go for
> it.

Agreed.

> If someone else makes a comment about how you like your food, then
> tell them to mind their own business and enjoy their food the way they
> like it and leave you alone.

Perhaps thanking them for their interest and then ignoring them would be
more polite (see above).

> Watching someone else eat their food at another table is considered
> rude. If someone does this to you, ignore them and enjoy what you've
> paid for.
>
> If you don't like mayo on anything, then instruct the chef to NOT put
> it on anything he serves you.

Requesting, rather than instructing, might pay higher dividends.

> By this advice, I don't mean for you to pull out a jug of kimche and
> pour it over your meal. If kimche is offered and you like it on your
> rolls, then ask for it to be put into your rolls. It's your meal, not
> anyone else's.
>
> As for "Traditional" or not....who cares? I eat what I enjoy. I don't
> eat what I don't enjoy.
>
> Unless you're eating your sushi while standing at a cart in the
> street, then you're really NOT being truly "Traditional" if you want
> to go back far enough. Let's not be silly folks.
>
> I certainly don't mean to insult anyone, but if someone were to tell
> someone how to eat their food, then they better be paying for it and
> talking to their own children.
>
> Yes, there are limits. Polite. Not making a big scene. Common everyday
> politeness.
>
> I've been eating sushi for 30 years. Don't tell me how to eat my food.
> I'll eat it as I like to within reason.
>
> I don't care what scale the place is. Unless the chef is paying for my
> meal, I'll eat what I feel like eating and he'll make it the way I
> tell him to make it or I'll simply go elsewhere.

I'll tell the Itamae, "Onigaishimas'", 'whatever I want'. Regarding how I
want it, I'll say, "Kudasai." I'm aware that I'm an honored guest and
there's no need for me to wave my katana to get good service.

> In those 30 years, not a single person has ever told me that I was
> eating my sushi wrong with the exception of a very impolite waitress
> who told me to use chops instead of using my fingers for pieces of a
> roll. I told her in short order to mind her own business and go away.
> The manager of the place agreed with me.

Perhaps she was just trying to be helpful. You might have thanked her,
continued as you were, and not put her job in jeapordy.
>
> Good luck to all of you, but come on, lets not get all weird about
> what is ok for a person to eat when they are paying for it and being
> polite.

By your displayed attitude, I would say that you would be seen, not as 'gai
jin', but as 'nanban', and would be laughed at after you left. I would not
care to be your companion at a sushiya or anywhere else for that matter.

> (My 2 cents)

Overvalued!

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On Jan 7, 9:33*am, Wilson > wrote:
> sometime in the recent past Nick Cramer posted this:
>
>
>
> > John Doe > wrote:
> >> On Jan 3, 9:47=A0pm, wrote:
> >>> [ . . . ]
> >> Food is meant to be enjoyed, whatever your tastes.
>
> >> If you like Tabasco on your Ikura with a side of coleslaw, and it's
> >> available at the place you're eating, then eat it and enjoy it!
>
> >> This fanaticism about making sure someone else likes what you eat is
> >> crazy.
>
> >> As long as you're polite, do not make other diners unhappy because of
> >> your behavior and you enjoy the food as you like it prepared, go for
> >> it.
>
> > Agreed.
>
> >> If someone else makes a comment about how you like your food, then
> >> tell them to mind their own business and enjoy their food the way they
> >> like it and leave you alone.
>
> > Perhaps thanking them for their interest and then ignoring them would be
> > more polite (see above).

Sorry pal, polite went out the door as soon as someone is rude enough
to talk to me about how I should eat my food. As with your smart ass
comments later, I don't mince words either.

> >> Watching someone else eat their food at another table is considered
> >> rude. If someone does this to you, ignore them and enjoy what you've
> >> paid for.
>
> >> If you don't like mayo on anything, then instruct the chef to NOT put
> >> it on anything he serves you.
>
> > Requesting, rather than instructing, might pay higher dividends.

When I'm paying for it, the chef makes what I like. I'm not
requesting, I'm instructing. Since you seem to be worried more about
what someone thinks of you after you leave, I understand that you're
actually scared to tell the chef how to make your food. Hell, let him
make it the way HE likes it. That way, he won't laugh at you later.

> >> By this advice, I don't mean for you to pull out a jug of kimche and
> >> pour it over your meal. If kimche is offered and you like it on your
> >> rolls, then ask for it to be put into your rolls. It's your meal, not
> >> anyone else's.
>
> >> As for "Traditional" or not....who cares? I eat what I enjoy. I don't
> >> eat what I don't enjoy.
>
> >> Unless you're eating your sushi while standing at a cart in the
> >> street, then you're really NOT being truly "Traditional" if you want
> >> to go back far enough. Let's not be silly folks.
>
> >> I certainly don't mean to insult anyone, but if someone were to tell
> >> someone how to eat their food, then they better be paying for it and
> >> talking to their own children.
>
> >> Yes, there are limits. Polite. Not making a big scene. Common everyday
> >> politeness.
>
> >> I've been eating sushi for 30 years. Don't tell me how to eat my food.
> >> I'll eat it as I like to within reason.
>
> >> I don't care what scale the place is. Unless the chef is paying for my
> >> meal, I'll eat what I feel like eating and he'll make it the way I
> >> tell him to make it or I'll simply go elsewhere.
>
> > I'll tell the Itamae, "Onigaishimas'", 'whatever I want'. Regarding how I
> > want it, I'll say, "Kudasai." I'm aware that I'm an honored guest and
> > there's no need for me to wave my katana to get good service.

What a crock of bull. I'm no guest in a restrurant. I'm a paying
customer. When I speak to a chef in an American resruant, I'll speak
english, not Japanese. Big deal, you know a few words in Japanese. You
think that makes people respect you? Wrong.

> >> In those 30 years, not a single person has ever told me that I was
> >> eating my sushi wrong with the exception of a very impolite waitress
> >> who told me to use chops instead of using my fingers for pieces of a
> >> roll. I told her in short order to mind her own business and go away.
> >> The manager of the place agreed with me.
>
> > Perhaps she was just trying to be helpful. You might have thanked her,
> > continued as you were, and not put her job in jeapordy.

Some waitress comes to my table and tells me that the perfectly
respectful manner in which I eat isn't ok with her? Give me a break.
Maybe she'll actually be better at her new job flipping burgers.

> I'm gonna go out on a limb and take John Doe at face value and
> agree that his waitress was rude and not simply trying to be helpful.

Her "helpful" was rude. I don't care if she was trying to be or not.
She can go practice on someone who isn't paying $50+ bucks for the
meal. I'm not an instructor, I'm a customer.

> Have to ask you, Nick, if you back doesn't hurt bending over
> backwards like that to defend someone you don't know in a
> situation you weren't involved in. Gaijin or nanban, you appear to
> have some of the lingo down, but what are they saying about you
> after you leave the restaurant?

Why should he worry about what someone says about him after he's left?
If they wish to talk badly about a customer and don't have enough
backbone to do so in front of the person they're speaking about, then
to hell with them. Again, they didn't pay for the meal.

> >> Good luck to all of you, but come on, lets not get all weird about
> >> what is ok for a person to eat when they are paying for it and being
> >> polite.
>
> > By your displayed attitude, I would say that you would be seen, not as 'gai
> > jin', but as 'nanban', and would be laughed at after you left.

I couldn't care less what some low life says about me behind my back.
You obviously do. As for the Japanese name calling, I'll keep mine in
English for you; You sound like an asshole. A conceited asshole. Clear
enough for you?

> I would not
> > care to be your companion at a sushiya or anywhere else for that matter.

That's a good thing. I don't hang out with conceited assholes such as
yourself. I can just see the type of people you hang with. Other
snobs. You're not Japanese. You're a phony trying to impress someone.
Here's a clue for you, asshole, you haven't impressed anyone with your
cheap shot bullshit.

> >> (My 2 cents)
>
> > Overvalued!

Not at all. It's an opinion. You think yours is more valued by whom?

>I see we're going to mince words just as finely in '08 as in '07. lol

I don't mince words either. You don't know me. However, after your
little minded rant, I know you. I've met many of you. If it rains,
you'll drown unless you get your nose out of the air.

Another sushi snob that isn't even Japanese. You're a joke.

Wilson wrote:
> sometime in the recent past John Doe posted this:
>> On Jan 7, 9:33 am, Wilson > wrote:
>>> sometime in the recent past Nick Cramer posted this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> John Doe > wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 3, 9:47=A0pm, wrote:
>>>>>> [ . . . ]
>>>>> Food is meant to be enjoyed, whatever your tastes.
>>>>> If you like Tabasco on your Ikura with a side of coleslaw, and it's
>>>>> available at the place you're eating, then eat it and enjoy it!
>>>>> This fanaticism about making sure someone else likes what you eat is
>>>>> crazy.
>>>>> As long as you're polite, do not make other diners unhappy because of
>>>>> your behavior and you enjoy the food as you like it prepared, go for
>>>>> it.
>>>> Agreed.
>>>>> If someone else makes a comment about how you like your food, then
>>>>> tell them to mind their own business and enjoy their food the way they
>>>>> like it and leave you alone.
>>>> Perhaps thanking them for their interest and then ignoring them
>>>> would be
>>>> more polite (see above).
>>
>> Sorry pal, polite went out the door as soon as someone is rude enough
>> to talk to me about how I should eat my food. As with your smart ass
>> comments later, I don't mince words either.
>>
>>>>> Watching someone else eat their food at another table is considered
>>>>> rude. If someone does this to you, ignore them and enjoy what you've
>>>>> paid for.
>>>>> If you don't like mayo on anything, then instruct the chef to NOT put
>>>>> it on anything he serves you.
>>>> Requesting, rather than instructing, might pay higher dividends.
>>
>> When I'm paying for it, the chef makes what I like. I'm not
>> requesting, I'm instructing. Since you seem to be worried more about
>> what someone thinks of you after you leave, I understand that you're
>> actually scared to tell the chef how to make your food. Hell, let him
>> make it the way HE likes it. That way, he won't laugh at you later.
>>
>>>>> By this advice, I don't mean for you to pull out a jug of kimche and
>>>>> pour it over your meal. If kimche is offered and you like it on your
>>>>> rolls, then ask for it to be put into your rolls. It's your meal, not
>>>>> anyone else's.
>>>>> As for "Traditional" or not....who cares? I eat what I enjoy. I don't
>>>>> eat what I don't enjoy.
>>>>> Unless you're eating your sushi while standing at a cart in the
>>>>> street, then you're really NOT being truly "Traditional" if you want
>>>>> to go back far enough. Let's not be silly folks.
>>>>> I certainly don't mean to insult anyone, but if someone were to tell
>>>>> someone how to eat their food, then they better be paying for it and
>>>>> talking to their own children.
>>>>> Yes, there are limits. Polite. Not making a big scene. Common everyday
>>>>> politeness.
>>>>> I've been eating sushi for 30 years. Don't tell me how to eat my food.
>>>>> I'll eat it as I like to within reason.
>>>>> I don't care what scale the place is. Unless the chef is paying for my
>>>>> meal, I'll eat what I feel like eating and he'll make it the way I
>>>>> tell him to make it or I'll simply go elsewhere.
>>>> I'll tell the Itamae, "Onigaishimas'", 'whatever I want'. Regarding
>>>> how I
>>>> want it, I'll say, "Kudasai." I'm aware that I'm an honored guest and
>>>> there's no need for me to wave my katana to get good service.
>>
>> What a crock of bull. I'm no guest in a restrurant. I'm a paying
>> customer. When I speak to a chef in an American resruant, I'll speak
>> english, not Japanese. Big deal, you know a few words in Japanese. You
>> think that makes people respect you? Wrong.
>>
>>>>> In those 30 years, not a single person has ever told me that I was
>>>>> eating my sushi wrong with the exception of a very impolite waitress
>>>>> who told me to use chops instead of using my fingers for pieces of a
>>>>> roll. I told her in short order to mind her own business and go away.
>>>>> The manager of the place agreed with me.
>>>> Perhaps she was just trying to be helpful. You might have thanked her,
>>>> continued as you were, and not put her job in jeapordy.
>>
>> Some waitress comes to my table and tells me that the perfectly
>> respectful manner in which I eat isn't ok with her? Give me a break.
>> Maybe she'll actually be better at her new job flipping burgers.
>>
>>> I'm gonna go out on a limb and take John Doe at face value and
>>> agree that his waitress was rude and not simply trying to be helpful.
>>
>> Her "helpful" was rude. I don't care if she was trying to be or not.
>> She can go practice on someone who isn't paying $50+ bucks for the
>> meal. I'm not an instructor, I'm a customer.
>>
>>> Have to ask you, Nick, if you back doesn't hurt bending over
>>> backwards like that to defend someone you don't know in a
>>> situation you weren't involved in. Gaijin or nanban, you appear to
>>> have some of the lingo down, but what are they saying about you
>>> after you leave the restaurant?
>>
>> Why should he worry about what someone says about him after he's left?
>> If they wish to talk badly about a customer and don't have enough
>> backbone to do so in front of the person they're speaking about, then
>> to hell with them. Again, they didn't pay for the meal.
>>
>>>>> Good luck to all of you, but come on, lets not get all weird about
>>>>> what is ok for a person to eat when they are paying for it and being
>>>>> polite.
>>>> By your displayed attitude, I would say that you would be seen, not
>>>> as 'gai
>>>> jin', but as 'nanban', and would be laughed at after you left.
>>
>> I couldn't care less what some low life says about me behind my back.
>> You obviously do. As for the Japanese name calling, I'll keep mine in
>> English for you; You sound like an asshole. A conceited asshole. Clear
>> enough for you?
>>
>>> I would not
>>>> care to be your companion at a sushiya or anywhere else for that
>>>> matter.
>>
>> That's a good thing. I don't hang out with conceited assholes such as
>> yourself. I can just see the type of people you hang with. Other
>> snobs. You're not Japanese. You're a phony trying to impress someone.
>> Here's a clue for you, asshole, you haven't impressed anyone with your
>> cheap shot bullshit.
>>
>>>>> (My 2 cents)
>>>> Overvalued!
>>
>> Not at all. It's an opinion. You think yours is more valued by whom?
>>
>>> I see we're going to mince words just as finely in '08 as in '07. lol
>>
>> I don't mince words either. You don't know me. However, after your
>> little minded rant, I know you. I've met many of you. If it rains,
>> you'll drown unless you get your nose out of the air.
>>
>> Another sushi snob that isn't even Japanese. You're a joke.
>>
> John Doe, you have mixed up my post and Nick's post together if that
> makes any difference. I was trying to support your position ;-)

FOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"Warren" > wrote in message
...
> Wilson wrote:
>> sometime in the recent past John Doe posted this:
>>> On Jan 7, 9:33 am, Wilson > wrote:
>>>> sometime in the recent past Nick Cramer posted this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> John Doe > wrote:
>>>>>> On Jan 3, 9:47=A0pm, wrote:
>>>>>>> [ . . . ]
>>>>>> Food is meant to be enjoyed, whatever your tastes.
>>>>>> If you like Tabasco on your Ikura with a side of coleslaw, and it's
>>>>>> available at the place you're eating, then eat it and enjoy it!
>>>>>> This fanaticism about making sure someone else likes what you eat is
>>>>>> crazy.
>>>>>> As long as you're polite, do not make other diners unhappy because of
>>>>>> your behavior and you enjoy the food as you like it prepared, go for
>>>>>> it.
>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>> If someone else makes a comment about how you like your food, then
>>>>>> tell them to mind their own business and enjoy their food the way
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> like it and leave you alone.
>>>>> Perhaps thanking them for their interest and then ignoring them would
>>>>> be
>>>>> more polite (see above).
>>>
>>> Sorry pal, polite went out the door as soon as someone is rude enough
>>> to talk to me about how I should eat my food. As with your smart ass
>>> comments later, I don't mince words either.
>>>
>>>>>> Watching someone else eat their food at another table is considered
>>>>>> rude. If someone does this to you, ignore them and enjoy what you've
>>>>>> paid for.
>>>>>> If you don't like mayo on anything, then instruct the chef to NOT put
>>>>>> it on anything he serves you.
>>>>> Requesting, rather than instructing, might pay higher dividends.
>>>
>>> When I'm paying for it, the chef makes what I like. I'm not
>>> requesting, I'm instructing. Since you seem to be worried more about
>>> what someone thinks of you after you leave, I understand that you're
>>> actually scared to tell the chef how to make your food. Hell, let him
>>> make it the way HE likes it. That way, he won't laugh at you later.
>>>
>>>>>> By this advice, I don't mean for you to pull out a jug of kimche and
>>>>>> pour it over your meal. If kimche is offered and you like it on your
>>>>>> rolls, then ask for it to be put into your rolls. It's your meal, not
>>>>>> anyone else's.
>>>>>> As for "Traditional" or not....who cares? I eat what I enjoy. I don't
>>>>>> eat what I don't enjoy.
>>>>>> Unless you're eating your sushi while standing at a cart in the
>>>>>> street, then you're really NOT being truly "Traditional" if you want
>>>>>> to go back far enough. Let's not be silly folks.
>>>>>> I certainly don't mean to insult anyone, but if someone were to tell
>>>>>> someone how to eat their food, then they better be paying for it and
>>>>>> talking to their own children.
>>>>>> Yes, there are limits. Polite. Not making a big scene. Common
>>>>>> everyday
>>>>>> politeness.
>>>>>> I've been eating sushi for 30 years. Don't tell me how to eat my
>>>>>> food.
>>>>>> I'll eat it as I like to within reason.
>>>>>> I don't care what scale the place is. Unless the chef is paying for
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> meal, I'll eat what I feel like eating and he'll make it the way I
>>>>>> tell him to make it or I'll simply go elsewhere.
>>>>> I'll tell the Itamae, "Onigaishimas'", 'whatever I want'. Regarding
>>>>> how I
>>>>> want it, I'll say, "Kudasai." I'm aware that I'm an honored guest and
>>>>> there's no need for me to wave my katana to get good service.
>>>
>>> What a crock of bull. I'm no guest in a restrurant. I'm a paying
>>> customer. When I speak to a chef in an American resruant, I'll speak
>>> english, not Japanese. Big deal, you know a few words in Japanese. You
>>> think that makes people respect you? Wrong.
>>>
>>>>>> In those 30 years, not a single person has ever told me that I was
>>>>>> eating my sushi wrong with the exception of a very impolite waitress
>>>>>> who told me to use chops instead of using my fingers for pieces of a
>>>>>> roll. I told her in short order to mind her own business and go away.
>>>>>> The manager of the place agreed with me.
>>>>> Perhaps she was just trying to be helpful. You might have thanked her,
>>>>> continued as you were, and not put her job in jeapordy.
>>>
>>> Some waitress comes to my table and tells me that the perfectly
>>> respectful manner in which I eat isn't ok with her? Give me a break.
>>> Maybe she'll actually be better at her new job flipping burgers.
>>>
>>>> I'm gonna go out on a limb and take John Doe at face value and
>>>> agree that his waitress was rude and not simply trying to be helpful.
>>>
>>> Her "helpful" was rude. I don't care if she was trying to be or not.
>>> She can go practice on someone who isn't paying $50+ bucks for the
>>> meal. I'm not an instructor, I'm a customer.
>>>
>>>> Have to ask you, Nick, if you back doesn't hurt bending over
>>>> backwards like that to defend someone you don't know in a
>>>> situation you weren't involved in. Gaijin or nanban, you appear to
>>>> have some of the lingo down, but what are they saying about you
>>>> after you leave the restaurant?
>>>
>>> Why should he worry about what someone says about him after he's left?
>>> If they wish to talk badly about a customer and don't have enough
>>> backbone to do so in front of the person they're speaking about, then
>>> to hell with them. Again, they didn't pay for the meal.
>>>
>>>>>> Good luck to all of you, but come on, lets not get all weird about
>>>>>> what is ok for a person to eat when they are paying for it and being
>>>>>> polite.
>>>>> By your displayed attitude, I would say that you would be seen, not as
>>>>> 'gai
>>>>> jin', but as 'nanban', and would be laughed at after you left.
>>>
>>> I couldn't care less what some low life says about me behind my back.
>>> You obviously do. As for the Japanese name calling, I'll keep mine in
>>> English for you; You sound like an asshole. A conceited asshole. Clear
>>> enough for you?
>>>
>>>> I would not
>>>>> care to be your companion at a sushiya or anywhere else for that
>>>>> matter.
>>>
>>> That's a good thing. I don't hang out with conceited assholes such as
>>> yourself. I can just see the type of people you hang with. Other
>>> snobs. You're not Japanese. You're a phony trying to impress someone.
>>> Here's a clue for you, asshole, you haven't impressed anyone with your
>>> cheap shot bullshit.
>>>
>>>>>> (My 2 cents)
>>>>> Overvalued!
>>>
>>> Not at all. It's an opinion. You think yours is more valued by whom?
>>>
>>>> I see we're going to mince words just as finely in '08 as in '07. lol
>>>
>>> I don't mince words either. You don't know me. However, after your
>>> little minded rant, I know you. I've met many of you. If it rains,
>>> you'll drown unless you get your nose out of the air.
>>>
>>> Another sushi snob that isn't even Japanese. You're a joke.
>>>
>> John Doe, you have mixed up my post and Nick's post together if that
>> makes any difference. I was trying to support your position ;-)
>
> FOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

Although having little to do with the issues or the conflict, the word
"Nanban" originally meaning
"barbarian from the south" and eventually "foreign barbarian", hasn't been
used that way
for about 300 years. Today if you say "Nanban" you'd be talking about food.
Chikin Nanban (a type of fried chicken) or Nanban Zuke
(Fish deep fried and served with a vinegar sauce). Undoubtedly both dishes
had their
origins in the dishes brought to Japan by the Portugese in the 1500s.
Today the word for calling someone barbaric is Yaban and a Barbarian is a
Yabanjin.
Musashi

On Jan 7, 12:33*pm, Wilson > wrote:
> sometime in the recent past John Doe posted this:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 9:33 am, Wilson > wrote:
> >> sometime in the recent past Nick Cramer posted this:
>
> >>> John Doe > wrote:
> >>>> On Jan 3, 9:47=A0pm, wrote:
> >>>>> [ . . . ]
> >>>> Food is meant to be enjoyed, whatever your tastes.
> >>>> If you like Tabasco on your Ikura with a side of coleslaw, and it's
> >>>> available at the place you're eating, then eat it and enjoy it!
> >>>> This fanaticism about making sure someone else likes what you eat is
> >>>> crazy.
> >>>> As long as you're polite, do not make other diners unhappy because of
> >>>> your behavior and you enjoy the food as you like it prepared, go for
> >>>> it.
> >>> Agreed.
> >>>> If someone else makes a comment about how you like your food, then
> >>>> tell them to mind their own business and enjoy their food the way they
> >>>> like it and leave you alone.
> >>> Perhaps thanking them for their interest and then ignoring them would be
> >>> more polite (see above).
>
> > Sorry pal, polite went out the door as soon as someone is rude enough
> > to talk to me about how I should eat my food. As with your smart ass
> > comments later, I don't mince words either.
>
> >>>> Watching someone else eat their food at another table is considered
> >>>> rude. If someone does this to you, ignore them and enjoy what you've
> >>>> paid for.
> >>>> If you don't like mayo on anything, then instruct the chef to NOT put
> >>>> it on anything he serves you.
> >>> Requesting, rather than instructing, might pay higher dividends.
>
> > When I'm paying for it, the chef makes what I like. I'm not
> > requesting, I'm instructing. Since you seem to be worried more about
> > what someone thinks of you after you leave, I understand that you're
> > actually scared to tell the chef how to make your food. Hell, let him
> > make it the way HE likes it. That way, he won't laugh at you later.
>
> >>>> By this advice, I don't mean for you to pull out a jug of kimche and
> >>>> pour it over your meal. If kimche is offered and you like it on your
> >>>> rolls, then ask for it to be put into your rolls. It's your meal, not
> >>>> anyone else's.
> >>>> As for "Traditional" or not....who cares? I eat what I enjoy. I don't
> >>>> eat what I don't enjoy.
> >>>> Unless you're eating your sushi while standing at a cart in the
> >>>> street, then you're really NOT being truly "Traditional" if you want
> >>>> to go back far enough. Let's not be silly folks.
> >>>> I certainly don't mean to insult anyone, but if someone were to tell
> >>>> someone how to eat their food, then they better be paying for it and
> >>>> talking to their own children.
> >>>> Yes, there are limits. Polite. Not making a big scene. Common everyday
> >>>> politeness.
> >>>> I've been eating sushi for 30 years. Don't tell me how to eat my food..
> >>>> I'll eat it as I like to within reason.
> >>>> I don't care what scale the place is. Unless the chef is paying for my
> >>>> meal, I'll eat what I feel like eating and he'll make it the way I
> >>>> tell him to make it or I'll simply go elsewhere.
> >>> I'll tell the Itamae, "Onigaishimas'", 'whatever I want'. Regarding how I
> >>> want it, I'll say, "Kudasai." I'm aware that I'm an honored guest and
> >>> there's no need for me to wave my katana to get good service.
>
> > What a crock of bull. I'm no guest in a restrurant. I'm a paying
> > customer. When I speak to a chef in an American resruant, I'll speak
> > english, not Japanese. Big deal, you know a few words in Japanese. You
> > think that makes people respect you? Wrong.
>
> >>>> In those 30 years, not a single person has ever told me that I was
> >>>> eating my sushi wrong with the exception of a very impolite waitress
> >>>> who told me to use chops instead of using my fingers for pieces of a
> >>>> roll. I told her in short order to mind her own business and go away.
> >>>> The manager of the place agreed with me.
> >>> Perhaps she was just trying to be helpful. You might have thanked her,
> >>> continued as you were, and not put her job in jeapordy.
>
> > Some waitress comes to my table and tells me that the perfectly
> > respectful manner in which I eat isn't ok with her? Give me a break.
> > Maybe she'll actually be better at her new job flipping burgers.
>
> >> I'm gonna go out on a limb and take John Doe at face value and
> >> agree that his waitress was rude and not simply trying to be helpful.
>
> > Her "helpful" was rude. I don't care if she was trying to be or not.
> > She can go practice on someone who isn't paying $50+ bucks for the
> > meal. I'm not an instructor, I'm a customer.
>
> >> Have to ask you, Nick, if you back doesn't hurt bending over
> >> backwards like that to defend someone you don't know in a
> >> situation you weren't involved in. Gaijin or nanban, you appear to
> >> have some of the lingo down, but what are they saying about you
> >> after you leave the restaurant?
>
> > Why should he worry about what someone says about him after he's left?
> > If they wish to talk badly about a customer and don't have enough
> > backbone to do so in front of the person they're speaking about, then
> > to hell with them. Again, they didn't pay for the meal.
>
> >>>> Good luck to all of you, but come on, lets not get all weird about
> >>>> what is ok for a person to eat when they are paying for it and being
> >>>> polite.
> >>> By your displayed attitude, I would say that you would be seen, not as 'gai
> >>> jin', but as 'nanban', and would be laughed at after you left.
>
> > I couldn't care less what some low life says about me behind my back.
> > You obviously do. As for the Japanese name calling, I'll keep mine in
> > English for you; You sound like an asshole. A conceited asshole. Clear
> > enough for you?
>
> >> I would not
> >>> care to be your companion at a sushiya or anywhere else for that matter.

On Jan 7, 5:01*pm, "Musashi" > wrote:
> "Warren" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Wilson wrote:
> >> sometime in the recent past John Doe posted this:
> >>> On Jan 7, 9:33 am, Wilson > wrote:
> >>>> sometime in the recent past Nick Cramer posted this:
>
> >>>>> John Doe > wrote:
> >>>>>> On Jan 3, 9:47=A0pm, wrote:
> >>>>>>> [ . . . ]
> >>>>>> Food is meant to be enjoyed, whatever your tastes.
> >>>>>> If you like Tabasco on your Ikura with a side of coleslaw, and it's
> >>>>>> available at the place you're eating, then eat it and enjoy it!
> >>>>>> This fanaticism about making sure someone else likes what you eat is
> >>>>>> crazy.
> >>>>>> As long as you're polite, do not make other diners unhappy because of
> >>>>>> your behavior and you enjoy the food as you like it prepared, go for
> >>>>>> it.
> >>>>> Agreed.
> >>>>>> If someone else makes a comment about how you like your food, then
> >>>>>> tell them to mind their own business and enjoy their food the way
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>> like it and leave you alone.
> >>>>> Perhaps thanking them for their interest and then ignoring them would
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> more polite (see above).
>
> >>> Sorry pal, polite went out the door as soon as someone is rude enough
> >>> to talk to me about how I should eat my food. As with your smart ass
> >>> comments later, I don't mince words either.
>
> >>>>>> Watching someone else eat their food at another table is considered
> >>>>>> rude. If someone does this to you, ignore them and enjoy what you've
> >>>>>> paid for.
> >>>>>> If you don't like mayo on anything, then instruct the chef to NOT put
> >>>>>> it on anything he serves you.
> >>>>> Requesting, rather than instructing, might pay higher dividends.
>
> >>> When I'm paying for it, the chef makes what I like. I'm not
> >>> requesting, I'm instructing. Since you seem to be worried more about
> >>> what someone thinks of you after you leave, I understand that you're
> >>> actually scared to tell the chef how to make your food. Hell, let him
> >>> make it the way HE likes it. That way, he won't laugh at you later.
>
> >>>>>> By this advice, I don't mean for you to pull out a jug of kimche and
> >>>>>> pour it over your meal. If kimche is offered and you like it on your
> >>>>>> rolls, then ask for it to be put into your rolls. It's your meal, not
> >>>>>> anyone else's.
> >>>>>> As for "Traditional" or not....who cares? I eat what I enjoy. I don't
> >>>>>> eat what I don't enjoy.
> >>>>>> Unless you're eating your sushi while standing at a cart in the
> >>>>>> street, then you're really NOT being truly "Traditional" if you want
> >>>>>> to go back far enough. Let's not be silly folks.
> >>>>>> I certainly don't mean to insult anyone, but if someone were to tell
> >>>>>> someone how to eat their food, then they better be paying for it and
> >>>>>> talking to their own children.
> >>>>>> Yes, there are limits. Polite. Not making a big scene. Common
> >>>>>> everyday
> >>>>>> politeness.
> >>>>>> I've been eating sushi for 30 years. Don't tell me how to eat my
> >>>>>> food.
> >>>>>> I'll eat it as I like to within reason.
> >>>>>> I don't care what scale the place is. Unless the chef is paying for
> >>>>>> my
> >>>>>> meal, I'll eat what I feel like eating and he'll make it the way I
> >>>>>> tell him to make it or I'll simply go elsewhere.
> >>>>> I'll tell the Itamae, "Onigaishimas'", 'whatever I want'. Regarding
> >>>>> how I
> >>>>> want it, I'll say, "Kudasai." I'm aware that I'm an honored guest and
> >>>>> there's no need for me to wave my katana to get good service.
>
> >>> What a crock of bull. I'm no guest in a restaurant. I'm a paying
> >>> customer. When I speak to a chef in an American restaurant, I'll speak
> >>> English, not Japanese. Big deal, you know a few words in Japanese. You
> >>> think that makes people respect you? Wrong.
>
> >>>>>> In those 30 years, not a single person has ever told me that I was
> >>>>>> eating my sushi wrong with the exception of a very impolite waitress
> >>>>>> who told me to use chops instead of using my fingers for pieces of a
> >>>>>> roll. I told her in short order to mind her own business and go away.
> >>>>>> The manager of the place agreed with me.
> >>>>> Perhaps she was just trying to be helpful. You might have thanked her,
> >>>>> continued as you were, and not put her job in jeopardy.
>
> >>> Some waitress comes to my table and tells me that the perfectly
> >>> respectful manner in which I eat isn't ok with her? Give me a break.
> >>> Maybe she'll actually be better at her new job flipping burgers.
>
> >>>> I'm gonna go out on a limb and take John Doe at face value and
> >>>> agree that his waitress was rude and not simply trying to be helpful.
>
> >>> Her "helpful" was rude. I don't care if she was trying to be or not.
> >>> She can go practice on someone who isn't paying $50+ bucks for the
> >>> meal. I'm not an instructor, I'm a customer.
>
> >>>> Have to ask you, Nick, if you back doesn't hurt bending over
> >>>> backwards like that to defend someone you don't know in a
> >>>> situation you weren't involved in. Gaijin or nanban, you appear to
> >>>> have some of the lingo down, but what are they saying about you
> >>>> after you leave the restaurant?
>
> >>> Why should he worry about what someone says about him after he's left?
> >>> If they wish to talk badly about a customer and don't have enough
> >>> backbone to do so in front of the person they're speaking about, then
> >>> to hell with them. Again, they didn't pay for the meal.
>
> >>>>>> Good luck to all of you, but come on, lets not get all weird about
> >>>>>> what is ok for a person to eat when they are paying for it and being
> >>>>>> polite.
> >>>>> By your displayed attitude, I would say that you would be seen, not as
> >>>>> 'gai
> >>>>> jin', but as 'nanban', and would be laughed at after you left.
>
> >>> I couldn't care less what some low life says about me behind my back.
> >>> You obviously do. As for the Japanese name calling, I'll keep mine in
> >>> English for you; You sound like an asshole. A conceited asshole. Clear
> >>> enough for you?
>
> >>>> I would not
> >>>>> care to be your companion at a sushiya or anywhere else for that
> >>>>> matter.
>
> >>> That's a good thing. I don't hang out with conceited assholes such as
> >>> yourself. I can just see the type of people you hang with. Other
> >>> snobs. You're not Japanese. You're a phony trying to impress someone.
> >>> Here's a clue for you, asshole, you haven't impressed anyone with your
> >>> cheap shot bullshit.
>
> >>>>>> (My 2 cents)
> >>>>> Overvalued!
>
> >>> Not at all. It's an opinion. You think yours is more valued by whom?
>
> >>>> I see we're going to mince words just as finely in '08 as in '07. lol
>
> >>> I don't mince words either. You don't know me. However, after your
> >>> little minded rant, I know you. I've met many of you. If it rains,
> >>> you'll drown unless you get your nose out of the air.
>
> >>> Another sushi snob that isn't even Japanese. You're a joke.
>
> >> John Doe, you have mixed up my post and Nick's post together if that
> >> makes any difference. I was trying to support your position ;-)
>
> > FOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Although having little to do with the issues or the conflict, the word
> "Nanban" originally meaning
> "barbarian from the south" and eventually "foreign barbarian", hasn't been
> used that way
> for about 300 years. Today if you say "Nanban" you'd be talking about food..
> Chikin Nanban (a type of fried chicken) or Nanban Zuke
> (Fish deep fried and served with a vinegar sauce). Undoubtedly both dishes
> had their
> origins in the dishes brought to Japan by the Portugese in the 1500s.
> Today the word for calling someone barbaric is Yaban and a Barbarian is a
> Yabanjin.
> Musashi-

So I guess he's trying to tell me either I'm fried or a Barbarian.

Those would be two of the nicer things I've been called in my life. I
guess I should be thanking him.

In fact, I do feel better about myself. I've spoken my mind clearly.
Even an idiot would understand.

Very interesting as always, Musashi.

Pardon me if I created any typos. I'm fried.

On Jan 7, 1:50*pm, Nick Cramer > wrote:

> I wasn't so much defending her as suggesting a possibly more gentle way of
> dealing with the situation. I have a little bit of the lingo down, having
> studied the Japanese language and culture for 45 years, during which I also
> practiced Japanese martial arts, in which setting, my Sensei taught me much
> about decent behavior for a warrior. I am content with the friendship I
> have with the Itamae at my favorite Sushiya.

I understand perfectly what you think was the situation. However, the
small amount of information I gave you about the situation says
nothing about her tone, which was loud and rude; her expression, which
had condensation written all over it. In a stranger on the street, I
may have ignored it, but with a professional waitress who is serving a
selection of food with historic value as a cultural tradition, I find
it as insulting as I would if she had just farted in my face.

If you indeed understand Japanese history and culture, then you'll
know that not that long ago she might have gotten beaten or put to
death with her insult.

Today is a different set of rules. We cannot beat or kill a person for
insult. Civilized people were much more polite then as compared to
now. They had a real reason to be.

Even though I think you came off like an asshole when replying to me,
I know that was the American side of your intellect and not the
Japanese. As you know, it's few Japanese that would speak as you did
in reply to me. You make my culture embarrassed for you.

Politeness isn't something to be learned about *other* people. It's
something to be, so that other people learn about you.

Now I'll apologize to you for being so blunt in answer to you.

John Doe > wrote:
> On Jan 7, 1:50=A0pm, Nick Cramer > wrote:
> [ . . . ]

> Now I'll apologize to you for being so blunt in answer to you.

Apology accepted. I apologize to you for my lack of understanding and
coming off like an arrogant sushi snob.

I'll be out of town 'til 25 Jan. CU all then.

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