I recently went to the Florida Department of Health to investigate if
Southern Whiting could be eaten raw.

Here is the answer I just received.

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"Whiting is a very common near shore fish. If the fish is prepared
properly the fish has no more inherent problems than other fish that
is to be served raw. A couple things for you to consider. Sushi
quality is usually used when referring to pacific Tuna which has been
shown that they consistently do not harbor parasites. Here’s a good
link from the FDA on controlling Parasites in Sushi."
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~acrobat/haccpc05.pdf


"I hope this helps to answer your questions about Whiting. If you
want more or you another question just shoot me a note."


Padraic Juarez, MS REHS
Environmental Administrator

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What a friendly fellow. I think his reply was very informative.

"Questions" > wrote in message
news
> I recently went to the Florida Department of Health to investigate if
> Southern Whiting could be eaten raw.
>
> Here is the answer I just received.
>
> ************************************************** ********
>
> "Whiting is a very common near shore fish. If the fish is prepared
> properly the fish has no more inherent problems than other fish that
> is to be served raw. A couple things for you to consider. Sushi
> quality is usually used when referring to pacific Tuna which has been
> shown that they consistently do not harbor parasites. Here's a good
> link from the FDA on controlling Parasites in Sushi."
> http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~acrobat/haccpc05.pdf
>
>
> "I hope this helps to answer your questions about Whiting. If you
> want more or you another question just shoot me a note."
>
>
> Padraic Juarez, MS REHS
> Environmental Administrator
>
> ************************************************** *********
>
> What a friendly fellow. I think his reply was very informative.


30 years ago I doubt you would have gotten such a nice response.
Goes to show just how much "sushi" has become an accepted part of
mainstream American culture.
M

Musashi wrote:
> "Questions" > wrote in message
> news
>> I recently went to the Florida Department of Health to
>> investigate if
>> Southern Whiting could be eaten raw.
>>
>> Here is the answer I just received.
>>
>> "I hope this helps to answer your questions about Whiting.
>> If you
>> want more or you another question just shoot me a note."
>>
>>
>> Padraic Juarez, MS REHS
>> Environmental Administrator
>>
>> ************************************************** *********
>>
>> What a friendly fellow. I think his reply was very
>> informative.
>
>
> 30 years ago I doubt you would have gotten such a nice
> response.
> Goes to show just how much "sushi" has become an accepted part
> of
> mainstream American culture.

Not with the FDA I'm afraid! When I recently enquired about
warnings concerning white tuna as sushi, the reply was:

"FDA does not recommend consuming any raw seafood. No warning
is required. "


--
James V. Silverton
Potomac, Maryland, USA

James Silverton wrote:

>
> Not with the FDA I'm afraid! When I recently enquired about warnings
> concerning white tuna as sushi, the reply was:
>
> "FDA does not recommend consuming any raw seafood. No warning is
> required. "

Do they recommend eating any cooked food, cuz I'm afraid of getting sick
from that more than sushi.

--
Dan

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
> Musashi wrote:
> > "Questions" > wrote in message
> > news
> >> I recently went to the Florida Department of Health to
> >> investigate if
> >> Southern Whiting could be eaten raw.
> >>
> >> Here is the answer I just received.
> >>
> >> "I hope this helps to answer your questions about Whiting.
> >> If you
> >> want more or you another question just shoot me a note."
> >>
> >>
> >> Padraic Juarez, MS REHS
> >> Environmental Administrator
> >>
> >> ************************************************** *********
> >>
> >> What a friendly fellow. I think his reply was very
> >> informative.
> >
> >
> > 30 years ago I doubt you would have gotten such a nice
> > response.
> > Goes to show just how much "sushi" has become an accepted part
> > of
> > mainstream American culture.
>
> Not with the FDA I'm afraid! When I recently enquired about
> warnings concerning white tuna as sushi, the reply was:
>
> "FDA does not recommend consuming any raw seafood. No warning
> is required. "
>

LOL
I guess this is to be free from any responsibility or liability by simply
saying
"we don't recommend it".
Regardless of whether it is recommended or not, considering the amount of
sushi, sashimi, raw clams & oysters that are consumed in the U.S., one would
think that the FDA would take a more realistic and useful approach.
M

> LOL
> I guess this is to be free from any responsibility or liability by simply
> saying
> "we don't recommend it".
> Regardless of whether it is recommended or not, considering the amount of
> sushi, sashimi, raw clams & oysters that are consumed in the U.S., one
would
> think that the FDA would take a more realistic and useful approach.
> M
>
>

Wait, you used FDA (government) and the words realistic and useful in the
same sentence, and your computer didn't die laughing????


--
Kendal Emery
MCNGP #19
Now living in the great state of Colorado
Permament resident of the State of Confusion

Beauray Rippy wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:03:17 -0500, Dan Logcher
> > wrote:
>
>
>>James Silverton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Not with the FDA I'm afraid! When I recently enquired about warnings
>>>concerning white tuna as sushi, the reply was:
>>>
>>>"FDA does not recommend consuming any raw seafood. No warning is
>>>required. "
>>
>>Do they recommend eating any cooked food, cuz I'm afraid of getting sick
>
>>from that more than sushi.
>
>
> Then you are an ignorant fool, don. Cooking to an acceptable
> temperature kills most bacteria in meat products and the odds of one
> getting ill are low. When you eat raw meat you're gambling and the
> odds are at best 50/50 regardless of how careful you are.

I guess you've never heard of listeria. There was quite an outbreak
due to contaminated cooked meats, hotdogs and bologne. There are
some bugs that cooking doesn't kill.

--
Dan

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:55:16 -0500, Dan Logcher
> wrote:

>Beauray Rippy wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:03:17 -0500, Dan Logcher
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>James Silverton wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Not with the FDA I'm afraid! When I recently enquired about warnings
>>>>concerning white tuna as sushi, the reply was:
>>>>
>>>>"FDA does not recommend consuming any raw seafood. No warning is
>>>>required. "
>>>
>>>Do they recommend eating any cooked food, cuz I'm afraid of getting sick
>>
>>>from that more than sushi.
>>
>>
>> Then you are an ignorant fool, don. Cooking to an acceptable
>> temperature kills most bacteria in meat products and the odds of one
>> getting ill are low. When you eat raw meat you're gambling and the
>> odds are at best 50/50 regardless of how careful you are.
>
>I guess you've never heard of listeria. There was quite an outbreak
>due to contaminated cooked meats, hotdogs and bologne. There are
>some bugs that cooking doesn't kill.


Listeria is killed by pasteurization and cooking; however, in certain
ready-to-eat foods such as hot dogs and deli meats, contamination may
occur after cooking but before packaging.

If you cook Listeria contaminated pre-cooked meats to 170 degrees for
at least 10 minutes, the Listeria will be history. The outbreak you're
speaking of was the eating of pre-cooked meats without re-heating
them.

By the way, who in the hell is this name calling person who is
attacking you, and who in the hell lifted it's rock?

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:55:16 -0500, Dan Logcher
> wrote:

>Beauray Rippy wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:03:17 -0500, Dan Logcher
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>James Silverton wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Not with the FDA I'm afraid! When I recently enquired about warnings
>>>>concerning white tuna as sushi, the reply was:
>>>>
>>>>"FDA does not recommend consuming any raw seafood. No warning is
>>>>required. "
>>>
>>>Do they recommend eating any cooked food, cuz I'm afraid of getting sick
>>
>>>from that more than sushi.
>>
>>
>> Then you are an ignorant fool, don. Cooking to an acceptable
>> temperature kills most bacteria in meat products and the odds of one
>> getting ill are low. When you eat raw meat you're gambling and the
>> odds are at best 50/50 regardless of how careful you are.
>
>I guess you've never heard of listeria. There was quite an outbreak
>due to contaminated cooked meats, hotdogs and bologne. There are
>some bugs that cooking doesn't kill.


Listeria is killed by pasteurization and cooking; however, in certain
ready-to-eat foods such as hot dogs and deli meats, contamination may
occur after cooking but before packaging.

If you cook Listeria contaminated pre-cooked meats to 170 degrees for
at least 10 minutes, the Listeria will be history. The outbreak you're
speaking of was the eating of pre-cooked meats without re-heating
them.

By the way, who in the hell is this name calling person who is
attacking you, and who in the hell lifted it's rock?

Beauray Rippy wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:55:16 -0500, Dan Logcher
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Beauray Rippy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:03:17 -0500, Dan Logcher
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>James Silverton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Not with the FDA I'm afraid! When I recently enquired about warnings
>>>>>concerning white tuna as sushi, the reply was:
>>>>>
>>>>>"FDA does not recommend consuming any raw seafood. No warning is
>>>>>required. "
>>>>
>>>>Do they recommend eating any cooked food, cuz I'm afraid of getting sick
>>>
>>>>from that more than sushi.
>>>
>>>
>>>Then you are an ignorant fool, don. Cooking to an acceptable
>>>temperature kills most bacteria in meat products and the odds of one
>>>getting ill are low. When you eat raw meat you're gambling and the
>>>odds are at best 50/50 regardless of how careful you are.
>>
>>I guess you've never heard of listeria. There was quite an outbreak
>>due to contaminated cooked meats, hotdogs and bologne. There are
>>some bugs that cooking doesn't kill.
>
>
>
> You're a ignorant fool, don. There are no bugs that not cooking will
> kill.You want to bet your life that there are none of them in/on the
> raw food you eat? Only and ignorant fool would make that kind of bet
> at any odds.

Or perhaps it is you who is the fool or a troll.
How about Scombroid poisoning http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~ear/FLSCROM.html

--
Dan

Beauray Rippy wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:55:16 -0500, Dan Logcher
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Beauray Rippy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:03:17 -0500, Dan Logcher
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>James Silverton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Not with the FDA I'm afraid! When I recently enquired about warnings
>>>>>concerning white tuna as sushi, the reply was:
>>>>>
>>>>>"FDA does not recommend consuming any raw seafood. No warning is
>>>>>required. "
>>>>
>>>>Do they recommend eating any cooked food, cuz I'm afraid of getting sick
>>>
>>>>from that more than sushi.
>>>
>>>
>>>Then you are an ignorant fool, don. Cooking to an acceptable
>>>temperature kills most bacteria in meat products and the odds of one
>>>getting ill are low. When you eat raw meat you're gambling and the
>>>odds are at best 50/50 regardless of how careful you are.
>>
>>I guess you've never heard of listeria. There was quite an outbreak
>>due to contaminated cooked meats, hotdogs and bologne. There are
>>some bugs that cooking doesn't kill.
>
>
>
> You're a ignorant fool, don. There are no bugs that not cooking will
> kill.You want to bet your life that there are none of them in/on the
> raw food you eat? Only and ignorant fool would make that kind of bet
> at any odds.

Or perhaps it is you who is the fool or a troll.
How about Scombroid poisoning http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~ear/FLSCROM.html

--
Dan

Questions wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:55:16 -0500, Dan Logcher
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Beauray Rippy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:03:17 -0500, Dan Logcher
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>James Silverton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Not with the FDA I'm afraid! When I recently enquired about warnings
>>>>>concerning white tuna as sushi, the reply was:
>>>>>
>>>>>"FDA does not recommend consuming any raw seafood. No warning is
>>>>>required. "
>>>>
>>>>Do they recommend eating any cooked food, cuz I'm afraid of getting sick
>>>
>>>>from that more than sushi.
>>>
>>>
>>>Then you are an ignorant fool, don. Cooking to an acceptable
>>>temperature kills most bacteria in meat products and the odds of one
>>>getting ill are low. When you eat raw meat you're gambling and the
>>>odds are at best 50/50 regardless of how careful you are.
>>
>>I guess you've never heard of listeria. There was quite an outbreak
>>due to contaminated cooked meats, hotdogs and bologne. There are
>>some bugs that cooking doesn't kill.
>
> Listeria is killed by pasteurization and cooking; however, in certain
> ready-to-eat foods such as hot dogs and deli meats, contamination may
> occur after cooking but before packaging.
>
> If you cook Listeria contaminated pre-cooked meats to 170 degrees for
> at least 10 minutes, the Listeria will be history. The outbreak you're
> speaking of was the eating of pre-cooked meats without re-heating
> them.

That isn't always possible.. so you have to avoid eating these items.
Parents send their kids to school with those Lunchables.. chances are
they won't be cooking them at school.

> By the way, who in the hell is this name calling person who is
> attacking you, and who in the hell lifted it's rock?

A troll who can't even read, or he would notice my name is Dan.

--
Dan

In ,
Beauray Rippy > typed:

> When you eat raw meat you're gambling and the
> odds are at best 50/50 regardless of how careful you are.


If that were true, I should have gotten sick half the time I've
eaten raw meat. Since I've eaten raw meat, and raw fish many
hundreds, if not thousands, of times, and not gotten sick a
single time (and the same is true of *many* other people I know),
it can't possibly be true

--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup

"Beauray Rippy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:03:17 -0500, Dan Logcher
> > wrote:
>
> >James Silverton wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Not with the FDA I'm afraid! When I recently enquired about warnings
> >> concerning white tuna as sushi, the reply was:
> >>
> >> "FDA does not recommend consuming any raw seafood. No warning is
> >> required. "
> >
> >Do they recommend eating any cooked food, cuz I'm afraid of getting sick
> >from that more than sushi.
>
>
> Then you are an ignorant fool, don. Cooking to an acceptable
> temperature kills most bacteria in meat products and the odds of one
> getting ill are low. When you eat raw meat you're gambling and the
> odds are at best 50/50 regardless of how careful you are.

Perhaps that would hold true if no regard were given to the type, condition,
and age
of the meat in question. However, people are not idiots. Restaurants that
serve sushi
know how they are going to serve fish, just as restuarants that serve Steak
Tartar know
how they are going to serve it. Historically, people simply have not been
falling over
at a 50% rate, or anywhere near it, from eating raw meat or fish.

"Beauray Rippy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:03:17 -0500, Dan Logcher
> > wrote:
>
> >James Silverton wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Not with the FDA I'm afraid! When I recently enquired about warnings
> >> concerning white tuna as sushi, the reply was:
> >>
> >> "FDA does not recommend consuming any raw seafood. No warning is
> >> required. "
> >
> >Do they recommend eating any cooked food, cuz I'm afraid of getting sick
> >from that more than sushi.
>
>
> Then you are an ignorant fool, don. Cooking to an acceptable
> temperature kills most bacteria in meat products and the odds of one
> getting ill are low. When you eat raw meat you're gambling and the
> odds are at best 50/50 regardless of how careful you are.

Perhaps that would hold true if no regard were given to the type, condition,
and age
of the meat in question. However, people are not idiots. Restaurants that
serve sushi
know how they are going to serve fish, just as restuarants that serve Steak
Tartar know
how they are going to serve it. Historically, people simply have not been
falling over
at a 50% rate, or anywhere near it, from eating raw meat or fish.