OK, I've never eaten in a Sushi restaurant, I've only ever eaten pre-
packed sushi from a supermarket, or home made maki rolls or Nigiri.
I'm in the UK, so it is great hearing about other experiences of findign
great sushi bars in other countries. I just the UK was as open minded.
closest we get is noodle bars, but they tend to be limited to 2 or 3
Soba or Udon based dishes and a bowl or two of Miso.

Proper sushi restaurants and bars appear to still be quite in short
supply near where I live, the closest being about 20 miles away and part
of a chain in the food hall of department store.

So far I've tried
Cucumber and Wasabi maki rolls
Smoked Salmon maki rolls
red pepper and Spring onion/Scallion/Salad onion maki rolls
Salmon mayo ISO rolls
Cooked prawn Nigiri
Smoked Salmon Nigiri
Red Pepper Nigiri
Tamago Nigiri
Even had a go at making a crab/seafood stick Sashimi ISO roll. Had
problems with the Sushi Meshi though.

OK, not the most adventurous, but having tried the pre-pack and enjoying
it, I googled for the correct techniques and had a bash at making my
own.
Fantastic sense of achievement having tracked down sushi rice, gari,
wasabi, nori, Sushi vinigar, shoyu, and mirin and cooking my own sushi
rice, first using the packet directions, then expeimenting with the
amount of Salt/sugar/wine/vinigar to season the rice after cooking. And
then actually producing the first roll. Great.

I can't believe how good yet how filling such a simple dish can be.
Buying the pre-pack for lunch each day (no variety), I haven't gotten
bored, and have lost nearly 18 pounds in weight since the new year (good
thing, I really needed to).

I've even convinced the GF to try the Smoked Salmon and vegetable ones.
She wasn't even a fish eater until the end of last year, and limits
herself to one or two fish varieties (normally Sea Bass, Mackeral, or
Dorades(Sea bream))usually steamed baked or pan fried in seasoned flour.

So any recomendations on where to go next with varieties to either try
to make, or order if I find a sushi bar?
Like I said I'm not too adventurous yet, but I love good food, and
always want to try something new. I quite fancy trying my hand some kind
of roe based gunkan. Problem with Sashimi is I'm too far from the coast
to get fish straight from the fishermans markets, and the supermarkets
tend to stock fish of a quality better suited to cooking, that may
already have been on ice for a couple of days, rather than slivering for
sushi.

TIA
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Problem with Sashimi is I'm too far from the coast
to get fish straight from the fishermans markets, and the supermarkets
tend to stock fish of a quality better suited to cooking, that may
already have been on ice for a couple of days, rather than slivering
for
sushi.


________________

Hey, here I am in the Sonoran desert, 350-400 miles from the nearest
salt water - and getting great sashimi! I wouldn't eat supermarket
fish raw here either! And none of that stuff you mentioned is the real
deal - cucumber and wasabi - barf! Are ya near a city? I bet if you
google up your city +sushi you'll find someplace to try!



ww

In article .com>,
says...
> Hey, here I am in the Sonoran desert, 350-400 miles from the nearest
> salt water - and getting great sashimi! I wouldn't eat supermarket
> fish raw here either! And none of that stuff you mentioned is the real
> deal - cucumber and wasabi - barf! Are ya near a city? I bet if you
> google up your city +sushi you'll find someplace to try!
>
Like I said nearest city 20 miles.
And that only has 2 sushi bars/restaurants both are YoSushi franchises.
Without wanting to put down the quality, they are sort fo the McDonalds
of the Sushi world. But I've never tried them so they may be really
good.

Following your advice, looks like there is one promising one.
"Teppanyaki
58/60 George Street, Chinatown, Manchester 1.
Tel: 0161-228 2219.
Open Monday to Friday 12noon-2.00pm and 6.00pm-11.00pm. Saturday 6.00pm-
11.00pm A high class Japanese restaurant which is very authentic, but
does not come cheaply! Food cooked and served at table-side.
Specialities - raw fish. Expensive, but worth it for the real Japanese
experience. Set menus for the uninitiated. "

But most of the rest apart from the YoSushi franchises don't do sushi,
just other japanese or japanese/chinese crossover. I've seen their menus
either online or outside the restaurants.
--
Carl Robson
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Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

NeedforSwede2 wrote:

> In article .com>,
> says...
>> Hey, here I am in the Sonoran desert, 350-400 miles from the nearest
>> salt water - and getting great sashimi! I wouldn't eat supermarket
>> fish raw here either! And none of that stuff you mentioned is the
>> real deal - cucumber and wasabi - barf! Are ya near a city? I bet
>> if you google up your city +sushi you'll find someplace to try!
>>
> Like I said nearest city 20 miles.
> And that only has 2 sushi bars/restaurants both are YoSushi
> franchises. Without wanting to put down the quality, they are sort fo
> the McDonalds of the Sushi world. But I've never tried them so they
> may be really good.
>
> Following your advice, looks like there is one promising one.
> "Teppanyaki
> 58/60 George Street, Chinatown, Manchester 1.
> Tel: 0161-228 2219.
> Open Monday to Friday 12noon-2.00pm and 6.00pm-11.00pm. Saturday
> 6.00pm-
> 11.00pm A high class Japanese restaurant which is very authentic, but
> does not come cheaply! Food cooked and served at table-side.
> Specialities - raw fish. Expensive, but worth it for the real Japanese
> experience. Set menus for the uninitiated. "
>
> But most of the rest apart from the YoSushi franchises don't do sushi,
> just other japanese or japanese/chinese crossover. I've seen their
> menus either online or outside the restaurants.


If you're near Manchester, New Samsi has sushi
http://www.sugarvine.com/Manchester/..._type=Japanese

and

Miyako has sushi
http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/eat.../japanese.html


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In article >,
in says...
>NeedforSwede2 wrote:
>
>> In article .com>,
>> says...
>>> Hey, here I am in the Sonoran desert, 350-400 miles from the nearest
>>> salt water - and getting great sashimi! I wouldn't eat supermarket
>>> fish raw here either! And none of that stuff you mentioned is the
>>> real deal - cucumber and wasabi - barf! Are ya near a city? I bet
>>> if you google up your city +sushi you'll find someplace to try!
>>>
>> Like I said nearest city 20 miles.
>> And that only has 2 sushi bars/restaurants both are YoSushi
>> franchises. Without wanting to put down the quality, they are sort fo
>> the McDonalds of the Sushi world. But I've never tried them so they
>> may be really good.
>>
>> Following your advice, looks like there is one promising one.
>> "Teppanyaki
>> 58/60 George Street, Chinatown, Manchester 1.
>> Tel: 0161-228 2219.
>> Open Monday to Friday 12noon-2.00pm and 6.00pm-11.00pm. Saturday
>> 6.00pm-
>> 11.00pm A high class Japanese restaurant which is very authentic, but
>> does not come cheaply! Food cooked and served at table-side.
>> Specialities - raw fish. Expensive, but worth it for the real Japanese
>> experience. Set menus for the uninitiated. "
>>
>> But most of the rest apart from the YoSushi franchises don't do sushi,
>> just other japanese or japanese/chinese crossover. I've seen their
>> menus either online or outside the restaurants.
>
>
>If you're near Manchester, New Samsi has sushi
>http://www.sugarvine.com/Manchester/..._type=Japanese
>
>and
>
>Miyako has sushi
>http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/eat.../japanese.html
>
>
>
You star. They look the kind of place to book for a special meal, rather
than just calling into, but definately worth a try.

Next "big event" meal we plan, I'll try them.
As a trade off, I'll tell you about a great place I found in Manchester.
OT, but still food related. Dr Livvy's. Fantastic Afro-Caribean food and
a good price with great ambiance. It is across the tram tracks from the
Arndale shopping centre in the city centre.

See, I really am a foody, Sushi is just one of the things I love in the
kitchen, I prefer it even more when I preparing it too. especially if it
tastes as good as one that was served up to me.
--
Carl Robson
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Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

NeedforSwede2 wrote:

> In article >,
> in says...
>> NeedforSwede2 wrote:
>>
>>> In article .com>,
>>> says...
>>>> Hey, here I am in the Sonoran desert, 350-400 miles from the
>>>> nearest salt water - and getting great sashimi! I wouldn't eat
>>>> supermarket fish raw here either! And none of that stuff you
>>>> mentioned is the real deal - cucumber and wasabi - barf! Are ya
>>>> near a city? I bet if you google up your city +sushi you'll find
>>>> someplace to try!
>>>>
>>> Like I said nearest city 20 miles.
>>> And that only has 2 sushi bars/restaurants both are YoSushi
>>> franchises. Without wanting to put down the quality, they are sort
>>> fo the McDonalds of the Sushi world. But I've never tried them so
>>> they may be really good.
>>>
>>> Following your advice, looks like there is one promising one.
>>> "Teppanyaki
>>> 58/60 George Street, Chinatown, Manchester 1.
>>> Tel: 0161-228 2219.
>>> Open Monday to Friday 12noon-2.00pm and 6.00pm-11.00pm. Saturday
>>> 6.00pm-
>>> 11.00pm A high class Japanese restaurant which is very authentic,
>>> but does not come cheaply! Food cooked and served at table-side.
>>> Specialities - raw fish. Expensive, but worth it for the real
>>> Japanese experience. Set menus for the uninitiated. "
>>>
>>> But most of the rest apart from the YoSushi franchises don't do
>>> sushi, just other japanese or japanese/chinese crossover. I've seen
>>> their menus either online or outside the restaurants.
>>
>>
>> If you're near Manchester, New Samsi has sushi
>> http://www.sugarvine.com/Manchester/..._type=Japanese
>>
>> and
>>
>> Miyako has sushi
>> http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/eat.../japanese.html
>>
>>
>>
> You star. They look the kind of place to book for a special meal,
> rather than just calling into, but definately worth a try.


Thanks, but Google was the star in this instance, not me.


>
> Next "big event" meal we plan, I'll try them.
> As a trade off, I'll tell you about a great place I found in
> Manchester. OT, but still food related. Dr Livvy's. Fantastic
> Afro-Caribean food and a good price with great ambiance. It is across
> the tram tracks from the Arndale shopping centre in the city centre.


Thanks again, but I am many thousands of miles away in the western part of
the US, so it's unlikely that I'll get there.

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Japanese restaurants in Manchester, with reviews:

http://www.sugarvine.com/Manchester/..._type=Japanese

First, when you go to a large city or near the coast, go the local fish
monger and ask for Sushi quality FROZEN fish. If it is frozen rock hard and
properly wrapped in air tight plastic, you can buy buy several meals worth
and spread the enjoyment out. I can enjoy some really great tasting meals
at a fraction of the cost of a good resturant. Of course, you are missing
out on some of the formal dining experience but, the reduced cost will allow
you to sample a lot different items economically.

Some real suprised for my personally are Red Snapper and Scallops. I did
some Red Snapper as Sashimi and fresh ocean Scallops as Sushi and was blown
away by the unique and great taste. The Scallops were bursting with the
flavor you expect from Scallops with the added freshness of the sea. I
could almost envision Seagulls swooping down and hearing the wavew lap on
the shore as I enjoyed this Sushi. The Red Snapper was served with a
sweetened Soy sauce. This was some of the best fish ever. The texture and
flavor of the Red Snapper against the sweetness of the soy sauce was a
fantastic pairing.

Fresh raw sea scallops taste infinitely better to me than cooked.
Yours were frozen, huh? But are they safe to eat raw? (The scallops
they gave me at the New S10, that I mentioned on the other thread, were
tiny ones, though - and I don't recall ever coming accross raw scallops
in my chirashi before, don't know why)

According to the state health regulations, all raw fish has to be frozen
first to kill parasites before it is served to humans. Flash frozen fish
and seafood that is properly wrapped in plastic and frozen quickly after it
is killed is very flavorful and safe to eat. I don't think I would ever
knowingly eat raw fish in Arizona that wasn't frozen first.



> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Fresh raw sea scallops taste infinitely better to me than cooked.
> Yours were frozen, huh? But are they safe to eat raw? (The scallops
> they gave me at the New S10, that I mentioned on the other thread, were
> tiny ones, though - and I don't recall ever coming accross raw scallops
> in my chirashi before, don't know why)
>

In article .com>,
says...
>Japanese restaurants in Manchester, with reviews:
>
>http://www.sugarvine.com/Manchester/..._type=Japanese
>
>
Cheers. I guess the only I'm going to find out is to dip in and try one
or two.
--
Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Anonymous wrote:

> According to the state health regulations, all raw fish has to be frozen
> first to kill parasites before it is served to humans. Flash frozen fish
> and seafood that is properly wrapped in plastic and frozen quickly after it
> is killed is very flavorful and safe to eat. I don't think I would ever
> knowingly eat raw fish in Arizona that wasn't frozen first.

Only because its far enough away from a fresh source. I have not problems
eating fresh, unfrozen fish from either coast. You could probably have fresh
fish flown into Arizona that was never frozen, but that would be cost prohibitive.

--
Dan

wrote:

> Fresh raw sea scallops taste infinitely better to me than cooked.
> Yours were frozen, huh? But are they safe to eat raw? (The scallops
> they gave me at the New S10, that I mentioned on the other thread, were
> tiny ones, though - and I don't recall ever coming accross raw scallops
> in my chirashi before, don't know why)

I much prefer raw scallop to cooked. When order scallop at an unfamilar
sushi bar, I always check if its raw or not.

--
Dan

"Dan Logcher" > wrote in message
...
> Anonymous wrote:
>
>> According to the state health regulations, all raw fish has to be frozen
>> first to kill parasites before it is served to humans. Flash frozen fish
>> and seafood that is properly wrapped in plastic and frozen quickly after
>> it is killed is very flavorful and safe to eat. I don't think I would
>> ever knowingly eat raw fish in Arizona that wasn't frozen first.
>
> Only because its far enough away from a fresh source. I have not problems
> eating fresh, unfrozen fish from either coast. You could probably have
> fresh
> fish flown into Arizona that was never frozen, but that would be cost
> prohibitive.
>
> --
> Dan

When I was in Charleston, South Carolina they would only serve Fried
Calamari because of parasite issues. I still had a good meal but, that
fresh ocean breeze and the sight of the ships made me long for something
literally gasping for breath on my plate :-D

If I make it out to California, I will have to see about truly fresh Sushi.

NeedforSwede2 > wrote:
> [ . . . ]
> Also it is actually difficult arround my way to find a real fish monger.
> Some of those who's fish I trust to be fresh for cooking don't even
> fillet properly.
>
Carl, whereabouts in the UK are you? If you're in the London area, eat my
SPAM to e-mail me and I'll put you in touch with a gentleman who will put a
smile on your face. ;-)

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Anonymous wrote:

> "Dan Logcher" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Anonymous wrote:
>>
>>
>>>According to the state health regulations, all raw fish has to be frozen
>>>first to kill parasites before it is served to humans. Flash frozen fish
>>>and seafood that is properly wrapped in plastic and frozen quickly after
>>>it is killed is very flavorful and safe to eat. I don't think I would
>>>ever knowingly eat raw fish in Arizona that wasn't frozen first.
>>
>>Only because its far enough away from a fresh source. I have not problems
>>eating fresh, unfrozen fish from either coast. You could probably have
>>fresh
>>fish flown into Arizona that was never frozen, but that would be cost
>>prohibitive.
>
> When I was in Charleston, South Carolina they would only serve Fried
> Calamari because of parasite issues. I still had a good meal but, that
> fresh ocean breeze and the sight of the ships made me long for something
> literally gasping for breath on my plate :-D
>
> If I make it out to California, I will have to see about truly fresh Sushi.

What kind of parasite infests squid? Never heard of anything like that.

--
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Dan Logcher > wrote:
> Anonymous wrote:
> > "Dan Logcher" > wrote in message
> >>Anonymous wrote:
> >>
> >>>According to the state health regulations, all raw fish has to be
> >>>frozen first to kill parasites before it is served to humans. Flash
> >>>frozen fish and seafood that is properly wrapped in plastic and frozen
> >>>quickly after it is killed is very flavorful and safe to eat. I don't
> >>>think I would ever knowingly eat raw fish in Arizona that wasn't
> >>>frozen first.
> >>
> >>Only because its far enough away from a fresh source. I have not
> >>problems eating fresh, unfrozen fish from either coast. You could
> >>probably have fresh
> >>fish flown into Arizona that was never frozen, but that would be cost
> >>prohibitive.
> >
> > When I was in Charleston, South Carolina they would only serve Fried
> > Calamari because of parasite issues. I still had a good meal but, that
> > fresh ocean breeze and the sight of the ships made me long for
> > something literally gasping for breath on my plate :-D
> >
> > If I make it out to California, I will have to see about truly fresh
> > Sushi.
>
> What kind of parasite infests squid? Never heard of anything like that.

Like Dan, I'd never heard of it either. I eat squid in sushi bars and
Italian restaurants and we buy a lot at Asian markets, for home cooking.
But, my friend, Google, revealed the following caveat:

(Edited from California Department of Fish and Game, Marine Region URL:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/parasites.html)

"Larval roundworms are found in many species of marine fish. The larval
roundworms are between 1/2 and 3/4 inches in length. When coiled they
sometimes resemble a ball of yarn or a watch spring. These worms are known
as "anisakids". Some live as adults in such marine mammals as seals,
porpoises, whales and dolphins. The eggs enter the seawater with the feces
of these mammals. They are eaten by small crustaceans such as copepods,
which in turn are eaten by a fish or a squid. If this infected host is
consumed by the proper mammal, the larvae will mature into adults. When we
eat seafood, such as fish and squid, which contain live, infective larvae,
the worms can become active in their new hosts and try to burrow into the
stomach lining. This can cause lesions or growths on the stomach walls.
This disease is called "anisakiasis", after the worms, and is also known as
"cod-worm" of "herring-worm" disease."

I didn't look further. Not enough for me to change my habits, except that
I'll refrain from eating our homemade ceviche until it's cured for several
hours, although I've never gotten sick from it in the past.

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In article >,
says...
> NeedforSwede2 > wrote:
> > [ . . . ]
> > Also it is actually difficult arround my way to find a real fish monger.
> > Some of those who's fish I trust to be fresh for cooking don't even
> > fillet properly.
> >
> Carl, whereabouts in the UK are you? If you're in the London area, eat my
> SPAM to e-mail me and I'll put you in touch with a gentleman who will put a
> smile on your face. ;-)
>
>
Warrington.
Slap bang in between Manchester and Liverpool.
I imagine, if I was to go shopping in either city with the right info I
could find good frozen sushi grade fish.

The biggest problem with that would be the 1-1 1/2 hour train journey
back(they never run to time and are often cancelled).

I could take the car, but Manchester parking is stupidly expensive and
parking attendants popup like a panto demon king in a puff of smoke the
exact second your parking expire.
Liverpool is worse, not only does it have stupidly high car crime like
everywhere else, it has very little city centre parking to discourage
people driving in.
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