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Looking for high grade Da Hong Pao. My trip to HK recently introduced us
to this wonderful (boldly understated) Oolong. Obviously first generation is nigh on impossible to acquire and alas, my budget would not extend to such an investment :-( ...I noted in an archived post that a 20g lot sold for $25000 in an auction in HK some time back! :-o) A google search has revealed numerous places to buy subsequent generations at more affordable prices. However whilst I am prepared to shell out a few shekels, I'd like to make an informed purchase. Could the Oolong aficionados amongst the group make any recommendations to an online vendor that offers a very good, high grade Da Hong Pao. Regards Mal Oz P.S report on our first tea 'expedition' to Hong Kong coming soon to a group near you. Cheers |
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![]() Draconus wrote: > Looking for high grade Da Hong Pao. My trip to HK recently introduced us > to this wonderful (boldly understated) Oolong. > Obviously first generation is nigh on impossible to acquire and alas, my > budget would not extend to such an investment :-( ...I noted in an > archived post that a 20g lot sold for $25000 in an auction in HK some time > back! :-o) > > A google search has revealed numerous places to buy subsequent generations > at more affordable prices. However whilst I am prepared to shell out a few > shekels, I'd like to make an informed purchase. > > Could the Oolong aficionados amongst the group make any recommendations to > an online vendor that offers a very good, high grade Da Hong Pao. > > Regards > Mal > Oz > > P.S report on our first tea 'expedition' to Hong Kong coming soon to a > group near you. > Cheers Best Tea House sells a first generation DHP (as distinct from the ORIGINAL DHP plants, from which tea is no longer sold) for $120 USD per 100g. By first generation it is meant that they are the first transplantation from branches taken from the original DHP plants. Where did you taste your DHP, and what was it? Most online vendors sell low grade DHP that isn't worth their $$ and you are likely to be disappointed if you tasted something pretty good. MarshalN http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN |
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On Nov 6, 10:02 am, "MarshalN" > wrote:
> Draconus wrote: > > Looking for high grade Da Hong Pao. My trip to HK recently introduced us > > to this wonderful (boldly understated) Oolong. > > Obviously first generation is nigh on impossible to acquire and alas, my > > budget would not extend to such an investment :-( ...I noted in an > > archived post that a 20g lot sold for $25000 in an auction in HK some time > > back! :-o) > > > A google search has revealed numerous places to buy subsequent generations > > at more affordable prices. However whilst I am prepared to shell out a few > > shekels, I'd like to make an informed purchase. > > > Could the Oolong aficionados amongst the group make any recommendations to > > an online vendor that offers a very good, high grade Da Hong Pao. > > > Regards > > Mal > > Oz > > > P.S report on our first tea 'expedition' to Hong Kong coming soon to a > > group near you. > > CheersBest Tea House sells a first generation DHP (as distinct from the > ORIGINAL DHP plants, from which tea is no longer sold) for $120 USD per > 100g. By first generation it is meant that they are the first > transplantation from branches taken from the original DHP plants. > > Where did you taste your DHP, and what was it? Most online vendors > sell low grade DHP that isn't worth their $$ and you are likely to be > disappointed if you tasted something pretty good. > > MarshalNhttp://www.xanga.com/MarshalN- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - The price of the Best Tea House stuff makes me think that I have probably never had real DHP. You are referring to www.besttea.com.hk, right? This is the first time I've ever heard of this vendor. |
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![]() Draconus wrote: > Found it in the Tea Museum Tea Shop in Hong Kong park - brilliant. Dont > know what particular variety is was - but the lady suggested it was 'very > rare' and 'high quality'. She did not know (or I couldnt understand) which > generation of plant it came from. My wife and I tasted it and ye gods, what > a delightful experience it was. A word was not uttered between us before > 100g was nestiling in the bottom of our carry bag ! > > We visited the Tea Museum after we had been to BTH in TST - but we were > chasing Pu-er at the time. It did not occur to me to eqnuire about oolongs > at BTH (we had a list and was working through it!). > > But thanks for the heads up, I'll check out their website. BTH is one of > the shops's I'd trust now after being there. Very helpful, informative and > patient - offered lots of teas to try with no apparent pressure to buy. > > Cheers > Mal > Oz Ah, the tea museum tea shop. I've been there, but never bought anything. I'd imagine it's of the heavier variety -- woody and dark? BTH doesn't really do online sales... not really anyway. I'm not even sure if they answer emails. Was it Rosa or Tiffany who was there when you visited, or both? They are rather generous with tastings. MarshalN http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN |
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![]() Alex wrote: > The price of the Best Tea House stuff makes me think that I have > probably never had real DHP. You are referring to www.besttea.com.hk, > right? This is the first time I've ever heard of this vendor. They are by no means cheap. They do, however, have a good variety of stuff. You can find stuff that is somewhat comparable in different aspects here in Beijing for less, although Da Hong Pao...... really run the gamut and there's a huge range in terms of taste and prices. Higher priced is not always better. It really depends on what you want out of the tea. These days I'm drinking stuff that are about $40 USD for 500g. It's just fine. MarshalN http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN |
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![]() "MarshalN" > wrote in message oups.com... > > Draconus wrote: >> Looking for high grade Da Hong Pao. My trip to HK recently introduced >> us >> to this wonderful (boldly understated) Oolong. >> Obviously first generation is nigh on impossible to acquire and alas, my >> budget would not extend to such an investment :-( ...I noted in an >> archived post that a 20g lot sold for $25000 in an auction in HK some >> time >> back! :-o) >> >> A google search has revealed numerous places to buy subsequent >> generations >> at more affordable prices. However whilst I am prepared to shell out a >> few >> shekels, I'd like to make an informed purchase. >> >> Could the Oolong aficionados amongst the group make any recommendations >> to >> an online vendor that offers a very good, high grade Da Hong Pao. >> >> Regards >> Mal >> Oz >> >> P.S report on our first tea 'expedition' to Hong Kong coming soon to a >> group near you. >> Cheers > > Best Tea House sells a first generation DHP (as distinct from the > ORIGINAL DHP plants, from which tea is no longer sold) for $120 USD per > 100g. By first generation it is meant that they are the first > transplantation from branches taken from the original DHP plants. > > Where did you taste your DHP, and what was it? Most online vendors > sell low grade DHP that isn't worth their $$ and you are likely to be > disappointed if you tasted something pretty good. > > MarshalN > http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN > > Found it in the Tea Museum Tea Shop in Hong Kong park - brilliant. Dont know what particular variety is was - but the lady suggested it was 'very rare' and 'high quality'. She did not know (or I couldnt understand) which generation of plant it came from. My wife and I tasted it and ye gods, what a delightful experience it was. A word was not uttered between us before 100g was nestiling in the bottom of our carry bag ! We visited the Tea Museum after we had been to BTH in TST - but we were chasing Pu-er at the time. It did not occur to me to eqnuire about oolongs at BTH (we had a list and was working through it!). But thanks for the heads up, I'll check out their website. BTH is one of the shops's I'd trust now after being there. Very helpful, informative and patient - offered lots of teas to try with no apparent pressure to buy. Cheers Mal Oz |
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![]() "MarshalN" > wrote in message oups.com... > > Draconus wrote: >> Found it in the Tea Museum Tea Shop in Hong Kong park - brilliant. Dont >> know what particular variety is was - but the lady suggested it was 'very >> rare' and 'high quality'. She did not know (or I couldnt understand) >> which >> generation of plant it came from. My wife and I tasted it and ye gods, >> what >> a delightful experience it was. A word was not uttered between us before >> 100g was nestiling in the bottom of our carry bag ! >> >> We visited the Tea Museum after we had been to BTH in TST - but we were >> chasing Pu-er at the time. It did not occur to me to eqnuire about >> oolongs >> at BTH (we had a list and was working through it!). >> >> But thanks for the heads up, I'll check out their website. BTH is one of >> the shops's I'd trust now after being there. Very helpful, informative >> and >> patient - offered lots of teas to try with no apparent pressure to buy. >> >> Cheers >> Mal >> Oz > > Ah, the tea museum tea shop. I've been there, but never bought > anything. > > I'd imagine it's of the heavier variety -- woody and dark? > > BTH doesn't really do online sales... not really anyway. I'm not even > sure if they answer emails. Was it Rosa or Tiffany who was there when > you visited, or both? They are rather generous with tastings. > > MarshalN > http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN > Geez, can't remember her name but was youngish (25-30ish), long shoulder length dark hair. Yes very generous with the tea - needed to duck into Delaney's next door to use the loo afterwards ! BTH does mailorder via the form and fax method - they do 2 types of DHP, one for $HK750/100g the other at $HK1000/100g. I paid $HK300 for the 100g I got from the tea museum and it's probably the best oolong I have tried to date - I do prefer the very floral/sweet aroma and taste with just a hint of bitterness toward the end - so this stuff was true nectar to me. God only knows what the $1000 stuff tastes like. If I had known at the time, I would have brought some back. The Aussie dollar to the HK dollar is very favouble to us at the moment - damn ! Anyway, I need to work in the morning so need to bugger off for now - till tomorrow. Cheers Mal Oz |
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![]() On Nov 6, 10:28 am, "MarshalN" > wrote: > Alex wrote: > > The price of the Best Tea House stuff makes me think that I have > > probably never had real DHP. You are referring towww.besttea.com.hk, > > right? This is the first time I've ever heard of this vendor.They are by no means cheap. They do, however, have a good variety of > stuff. > > You can find stuff that is somewhat comparable in different aspects > here in Beijing for less, although Da Hong Pao...... really run the > gamut and there's a huge range in terms of taste and prices. Higher > priced is not always better. It really depends on what you want out of > the tea. These days I'm drinking stuff that are about $40 USD for > 500g. It's just fine. > > MarshalNhttp://www.xanga.com/MarshalN I wasn't into Wuyi tea at all when I lived in China, so I don't really know what's available everywhere else, but if it's anything like Anxi oolongs or pu'er, I'm sure you can buy crap for a fortune or gold for a pittance depending on where you go and how stupid you look. As for internet dealers, I've had what I consider to be decent DHP from Jing's and Hou De, and some really superb Shuixian from Jing and Stephane Erler - definitely enough to keep me going. Stephane's aged SX is particularly good. It would be interesting to try some absolutely top-grade DHP though. What I am really dying for is good tieguanyin. There appears to be a real gap in the English-language market there. |
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![]() Alex wrote: > I wasn't into Wuyi tea at all when I lived in China, so I don't really > know what's available everywhere else, but if it's anything like Anxi > oolongs or pu'er, I'm sure you can buy crap for a fortune or gold for a > pittance depending on where you go and how stupid you look. As for > internet dealers, I've had what I consider to be decent DHP from Jing's > and Hou De, and some really superb Shuixian from Jing and Stephane > Erler - definitely enough to keep me going. Stephane's aged SX is > particularly good. It would be interesting to try some absolutely > top-grade DHP though. > > What I am really dying for is good tieguanyin. There appears to be a > real gap in the English-language market there. It's not difficult to find good Wuyi tea here at all for very little money. They're everywhere and you can tell right away which one's good and which one's not, provided you have some idea of what you like and what you're drinking. MarshalN http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN |
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![]() Draconus wrote: > Geez, can't remember her name but was youngish (25-30ish), long shoulder > length dark hair. Yes very generous with the tea - needed to duck into > Delaney's next door to use the loo afterwards ! > > BTH does mailorder via the form and fax method - they do 2 types of DHP, one > for $HK750/100g the other at $HK1000/100g. I paid $HK300 for the 100g I > got from the tea museum and it's probably the best oolong I have tried to > date - I do prefer the very floral/sweet aroma and taste with just a hint of > bitterness toward the end - so this stuff was true nectar to me. God only > knows what the $1000 stuff tastes like. If I had known at the time, I would > have brought some back. The Aussie dollar to the HK dollar is very favouble > to us at the moment - damn ! > > Anyway, I need to work in the morning so need to bugger off for now - till > tomorrow. > > Cheers > Mal > Oz Probably Tiffany then. She's very friendly and helpful. They have lots of DHP besides the two you listed. Those are the two most expensive ones they have. In terms of straight taste, the 750 and the 1000 are probably not all that different. However, the chaqi for the 1000 is quite obvious and strong. I still have a box that I haven't opened from a few years ago, sitting there and waiting for the right moment before I break it open. MarshalN http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN |
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![]() > Anyway, I need to work in the morning so need to bugger off for now - till > tomorrow. No offense, but isn't "bugger off" something people say to dismiss you in a most unpleasant way, not something you actually say regardng yourself? A good Da Hong Po will fix it, though. Michael |
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And I thought 'loo' was Cantonese till I found out it was British.
Jim Michael Plant wrote: > > Anyway, I need to work in the morning so need to bugger off for now - till > > tomorrow. > > No offense, but isn't "bugger off" something people say > to dismiss you in a most unpleasant way, not something > you actually say regardng yourself? A good Da Hong Po > will fix it, though. > > Michael |
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![]() Michael Plant wrote: > 11/6/06 > > > > On Nov 6, 10:02 am, "MarshalN" > wrote: > >> Draconus wrote: > >>> Looking for high grade Da Hong Pao. My trip to HK recently introduced us > >>> to this wonderful (boldly understated) Oolong. > >>> Obviously first generation is nigh on impossible to acquire and alas, my > >>> budget would not extend to such an investment :-( ...I noted in an > >>> archived post that a 20g lot sold for $25000 in an auction in HK some time > >>> back! :-o) > >> > >>> A google search has revealed numerous places to buy subsequent generations > >>> at more affordable prices. However whilst I am prepared to shell out a few > >>> shekels, I'd like to make an informed purchase. > >> > >>> Could the Oolong aficionados amongst the group make any recommendations to > >>> an online vendor that offers a very good, high grade Da Hong Pao. > >> > >>> Regards > >>> Mal > >>> Oz > >> > >>> P.S report on our first tea 'expedition' to Hong Kong coming soon to a > >>> group near you. > >>> CheersBest Tea House sells a first generation DHP (as distinct from the > >> ORIGINAL DHP plants, from which tea is no longer sold) for $120 USD per > >> 100g. By first generation it is meant that they are the first > >> transplantation from branches taken from the original DHP plants. > >> > >> Where did you taste your DHP, and what was it? Most online vendors > >> sell low grade DHP that isn't worth their $$ and you are likely to be > >> disappointed if you tasted something pretty good. > >> > >> MarshalNhttp://www.xanga.com/MarshalN- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > > > > The price of the Best Tea House stuff makes me think that I have > > probably never had real DHP. You are referring to www.besttea.com.hk, > > right? This is the first time I've ever heard of this vendor. > > > > Hi Alex, > > The owner of the Best Tea House is the tea teacher > of Michael and Winnie at The Tea Gallery in NYC. > They will be our best source of information and > samples of BTH offerings. I'm glad MarshalN > brought it up. > > Michael Thanks Michael. I will have to get over there one of these days. Also it's probably more convenient than ordering from Best by fax. I'm drinking some very nice heavily roasted Anxi TGY right now, but I can barely taste it because of my cold. The heavy roasting gives it some fruit and smoothness that is reminescent of Wuyi teas. |
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Space Cowboy > wrote:
>And I thought 'loo' was Cantonese till I found out it was British. Actually it's French, from "le lieu Anglais." --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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I came across this AskOxford explanation about other French origins:
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexper...ordorigins/loo Jim Scott Dorsey wrote: > Space Cowboy > wrote: > >And I thought 'loo' was Cantonese till I found out it was British. > > Actually it's French, from "le lieu Anglais." > --scott > > > -- > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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> BTH doesn't really do online sales... not really anyway. I'm not even
> sure if they answer emails. Was it Rosa or Tiffany who was there when > you visited, or both? They are rather generous with tastings. > > Wonderful! Rosa & Tiffany are back on TST shop? Fantastic! It's such a chore to look them up in Tai Koo City whenever I'm in town! Must call them to chat soon... BTH does online sales. I think Penny handles these things. There are 2 BTH companies: 1 in Hong kong, another in Canada - presently in Vancouver; these two are related. You may want to check with Penny if it is easier for you to purchase from the Canada store. |
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> Geez, can't remember her name but was youngish (25-30ish), long shoulder
> length dark hair. Yes very generous with the tea - needed to duck into > Delaney's next door to use the loo afterwards ! > > BTH does mailorder via the form and fax method - they do 2 types of DHP, > one for $HK750/100g the other at $HK1000/100g. I paid $HK300 for the > 100g I got from the tea museum and it's probably the best oolong I have > tried to date - I do prefer the very floral/sweet aroma and taste with > just a hint of bitterness toward the end - so this stuff was true nectar > to me. God only knows what the $1000 stuff tastes like. If I had known at > the time, I would have brought some back. The Aussie dollar to the HK > dollar is very favouble to us at the moment - damn ! > > Anyway, I need to work in the morning so need to bugger off for now - till > tomorrow. > > Cheers > Mal > Oz Dark hair? That may be Helen...rather tall girl with a slight broad face and sweet smile. Mal, if you like I can send you some samples of DHP for comparison, email me offline if this interest you. Danny |
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![]() > Probably Tiffany then. She's very friendly and helpful. > > They have lots of DHP besides the two you listed. Those are the two > most expensive ones they have. In terms of straight taste, the 750 and > the 1000 are probably not all that different. However, the chaqi for > the 1000 is quite obvious and strong. I still have a box that I > haven't opened from a few years ago, sitting there and waiting for the > right moment before I break it open. > > MarshalN > http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN > Hmm, didn't Tiffany dyed her hair? :") miss those ladies! Danny |
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![]() Draconus wrote: > Looking for high grade Da Hong Pao. My trip to HK recently introduced us > to this wonderful (boldly understated) Oolong. > Obviously first generation is nigh on impossible to acquire and alas, my > budget would not extend to such an investment :-( ...I noted in an > archived post that a 20g lot sold for $25000 in an auction in HK some time > back! :-o) I searched for a year trying to find some higher grade Da Hong Pao on the mainland and didn't find anything but the following disclaimer: It is nearly impossible to find very high grade stuff unless you are a local leader in the area it's produced. Good luck in your search. |
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![]() Michael Plant wrote: > Hi, > > In my experience, among the various teas, Da Hong Pao > together with WuYi Shui Xian are perhaps the trickiest > to get hold of. So many choices, and so many variables > lead to so many failures. I am going to see about getting > my hands on the first generation DHP that you mention, > although I might already have drunk it. If so it was quite > good. (I will know by the end of the day.) > > At best, these teas leave an impression on your throat > that is at once sweet and complex, and a mouth feel with > a sense of body that delights the senses. Also, an aftertaste > that lasts long and changes as the seconds pass. Good > WuYi teas are worth the effort to find, but so many are > dull and listless. Those are my humble opinions. > > Michael The Tea Gallery does NOT get their Wuyi teas from the Best Tea House. They have some other source for it. MarshalN http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN |
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Alex,
Was the shuixian from Jing the Laocong, or the "standard"? They're both priced identically. Also, the only shuixian that I see from Stephane Erler is the 2005 at $11.90/150g - is that the one? I suspect it isn't, as you mentioned "aged". Thanks in advance; I've been chasing a good narcissus. ![]() Toodlepip, Hobbes |
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![]() Mydnight wrote: > I searched for a year trying to find some higher grade Da Hong Pao on > the mainland and didn't find anything but the following disclaimer: It > is nearly impossible to find very high grade stuff unless you are a > local leader in the area it's produced. > > Good luck in your search. I can find some great Wuyi in Beijing. Maybe you were looking in the wrong area of the country? MarshalN http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN |
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I was told by a friend of mine that high quality tea are usually export
or sold to people who can offer higher price, so I doubt most tea shop in Beijing will have the highest quality da hong pao. MarshalN wrote: > Mydnight wrote: > > > I searched for a year trying to find some higher grade Da Hong Pao on > > the mainland and didn't find anything but the following disclaimer: It > > is nearly impossible to find very high grade stuff unless you are a > > local leader in the area it's produced. > > > > Good luck in your search. > > I can find some great Wuyi in Beijing. Maybe you were looking in the > wrong area of the country? > > MarshalN > http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN |
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