Hi folks,

I heard about Pu'erh yesterday and I'm intrigued. After reading the
About.com article, which is really just one guy's opinions, I am
curious what you folks think is the best type of Pu'erh to get. My
local Asian supermarket sells a few kinds of Pu'erh.

For instance, is there a particular Chinese brand that is good or bad?
And which is best approach to fermentation? My goals are improved
health, since this tea has been shown to lower cholesterol, and
flavor.

Also, (since I am also posting this to soc.culture...) if the
container lacks any English text, what characters indicate the various
characteristics?

Thanks.

On Apr 12, 7:26*am, wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I heard about Pu'erh yesterday and I'm intrigued. After reading the
> About.com article, which is really just one guy's opinions, I am
> curious what you folks think is the best type of Pu'erh to get. My
> local Asian supermarket sells a few kinds of Pu'erh.
>
> For instance, is there a particular Chinese brand that is good or bad?
> And which is best approach to fermentation? My goals are improved
> health, since this tea has been shown to lower cholesterol, and
> flavor.

(Just for reference, SCC is an english-language group, and is
currently filled with China haters, the kind that would attack
paralympians in wheelchairs, you know...)

Anyway, to answer your tea question - it all depends on your taste.
Check ebay for price/description, or simply buy some and try them. If
you are lucky enough to have asian style tea shop, go and sample - but
please buy something on your way out.

>
> Also, (since I am also posting this to soc.culture...) if the
> container lacks any English text, what characters indicate the various
> characteristics?
>
> Thanks.

> wrote in message
...
> Hi folks,
> I heard about Pu'erh yesterday and I'm intrigued. After reading the
> About.com article, which is really just one guy's opinions, I am
> curious what you folks think is the best type of Pu'erh to get. My
> local Asian supermarket sells a few kinds of Pu'erh.
> For instance, is there a particular Chinese brand that is good or bad?
> And which is best approach to fermentation? My goals are improved
> health, since this tea has been shown to lower cholesterol, and
> flavor.
> Also, (since I am also posting this to soc.culture...) if the
> container lacks any English text, what characters indicate the various
> characteristics?
> Thanks.
>
A simple Google search yields 52,000 possible links to answer your
question. Thar y'gaw: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pu%27er+tea .
Yes, this newsgroup is well known for its being troll-infested with anti
China characters that vent their real-life frustrations in cyber space by
bashing everything that is Chinese.
J.

On Apr 12, 9:39*am, "J.Venning" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...> Hi folks,
> > I heard about Pu'erh yesterday and I'm intrigued. After reading the
> > About.com article, which is really just one guy's opinions, I am
> > curious what you folks think is the best type of Pu'erh to get. My
> > local Asian supermarket sells a few kinds of Pu'erh.
> > For instance, is there a particular Chinese brand that is good or bad?
> > And which is best approach to fermentation? My goals are improved
> > health, since this tea has been shown to lower cholesterol, and
> > flavor.
> > Also, (since I am also posting this to soc.culture...) if the
> > container lacks any English text, what characters indicate the various
> > characteristics?
> > Thanks.
>
> * * A simple Google search yields 52,000 possible links to answer your
> question. Thar y'gaw: *http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pu%27er+tea*.
> Yes, this newsgroup is well known for its being troll-infested with anti
> China characters that vent their real-life frustrations in cyber space by
> bashing everything that is Chinese.
> J.

Oh!! come om, JV, you're too hard on them. We are only pointing out
divergent views of the subject under discussion.

"rst0wxyz" > wrote in message
...
>Oh!! come om, JV, you're too hard on them. We are only pointing out
>divergent views of the subject under discussion.
>
I'm not being hard on anyone. I just want people to know that this
newsgroup, inappropriately called soc.culture.china, has very little to do
with Chinese culture. The whole place is infested with anti China
instigators like that homo Walsh, who vents his frustrations by condemning
the Chinese government.
J.

On Apr 12, 4:26*pm, wrote:
> For instance, is there a particular Chinese brand that is good or bad?
> And which is best approach to fermentation? My goals are improved
> health, since this tea has been shown to lower cholesterol, and
> flavor.

Hi,

here are few sellers selling pu-erh

HouDeAsianArt - http://www.houdeasianart.com/ - the seller (Guang)
lives in Texas. His prices are higher, but his teas are top quality,
too. He is very very honest

Yunnan Sourcing - http://stores.ebay.com/Yunnan-Sourcing-LLC - Scott
is an american living in Kunming, China and selling pu-erh and other
teas. Very trustatble, too. His prices are lower than Guangs but the
shipping costs are higher, since he is sending the teas from China.

Dragon Tea House - http://stores.ebay.com/Dragon-Tea-House - this
vendor, Gordon, lives in China.

Jing Teashop - http://www.jingteashop.com/ - another trustable vendor

Also, you can chceck many blogs that review pu-erh like

http://tuochatea.blogspot.com - This blog is mine :-)
http://half-dipper.blogspot.com - English gentleman Hobbes writes
about tea

and certainly there is a pu-erh tea community http://community.livejournal.com/puerh_tea/

Tomas

On Apr 13, 1:14*am, Balt > wrote:
> On Apr 12, 4:26*pm, wrote:
>
> > For instance, is there a particular Chinese brand that is good or bad?
> > And which is best approach to fermentation? My goals are improved
> > health, since this tea has been shown to lower cholesterol, and
> > flavor.
>
> Hi,
>
> here are few sellers selling pu-erh
>
> HouDeAsianArt -http://www.houdeasianart.com/- the seller (Guang)
> lives in Texas. His prices are higher, but his teas are top quality,
> too. He is very very honest
>
> Yunnan Sourcing -http://stores.ebay.com/Yunnan-Sourcing-LLC- Scott
> is an american living in Kunming, China and selling pu-erh and other
> teas. Very trustatble, too. His prices are lower than Guangs but the
> shipping costs are higher, since he is sending the teas from China.
>
> Dragon Tea House -http://stores.ebay.com/Dragon-Tea-House- this
> vendor, Gordon, lives in China.
>
> Jing Teashop -http://www.jingteashop.com/- another trustable vendor
>
> Also, you can chceck many blogs that review pu-erh like
>
> http://tuochatea.blogspot.com- This blog is mine :-)

It's awfully nice of you to give out and comment about their honesty
of your competitors. I only drink tea at Chinese restaurants. At
home drink coffe, milk, fruit juices. No beer or hard liquor.


>http://half-dipper.blogspot.com- English gentleman Hobbes writes
> about tea
>
> and certainly there is a pu-erh tea communityhttp://community.livejournal.com/puerh_tea/
>
> Tomas

rst0wxyz > writes:

> On Apr 13, 1:14*am, Balt > wrote:
> > On Apr 12, 4:26*pm, wrote:
> >
> > > For instance, is there a particular Chinese brand that is good or bad?
> > > And which is best approach to fermentation? My goals are improved
> > > health, since this tea has been shown to lower cholesterol, and
> > > flavor.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > here are few sellers selling pu-erh
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Also, you can chceck many blogs that review pu-erh like
> >
> > http://tuochatea.blogspot.com- This blog is mine :-)
>
> It's awfully nice of you to give out and comment about their honesty
> of your competitors.

Competitors? If Balt is selling anything from that blog, it escapes me.

/Lew
---
Lew Perin /
http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

On Apr 12, 10:26*pm, wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I heard about Pu'erh yesterday and I'm intrigued. After reading the
> About.com article, which is really just one guy's opinions, I am
> curious what you folks think is the best type of Pu'erh to get. My
> local Asian supermarket sells a few kinds of Pu'erh.
>
> For instance, is there a particular Chinese brand that is good or bad?
> And which is best approach to fermentation? My goals are improved
> health, since this tea has been shown to lower cholesterol, and
> flavor.
>
> Also, (since I am also posting this to soc.culture...) if the
> container lacks any English text, what characters indicate the various
> characteristics?
>
> Thanks.

www.pu-erh.net is a good place 2 start...I think there is a glossary
page. Lew's Babelcarp also has a glossary page for great reference.

Kevo

> > >http://tuochatea.blogspot.com-This blog is mine :-)
>
> > It's awfully nice of you to give out and comment about their honesty
> > of your competitors.
>
> Competitors? *If Balt is selling anything from that blog, it escapes me.

Thats true, I just drink and review pu-erh, I'm not a vendor :-)

T.

> www.pu-erh.ne tis a good place 2 start...I think there is a glossary
> page. Lew's Babelcarp also has a glossary page for great reference.

I ended up going to an Asian supermarket and
getting a disk ("cake") made by Yunnan Tea Co Ltd,
12 oz (340g) for US $7.

It's very good. The tea is dark red. Its flavor is
somewhat better (to my palate) than other teas that
I've tried, being slightly earthy, and with a slight
hay-like scent.

On Apr 12, 9:29*am, CharlesLiu > wrote:
> On Apr 12, 7:26*am, wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
>
> > I heard about Pu'erh yesterday and I'm intrigued. After reading the
> > About.com article, which is really just one guy's opinions, I am
> > curious what you folks think is the best type of Pu'erh to get. My
> > local Asian supermarket sells a few kinds of Pu'erh.
>
> > For instance, is there a particular Chinese brand that is good or bad?
> > And which is best approach to fermentation? My goals are improved
> > health, since this tea has been shown to lower cholesterol, and
> > flavor.
>
> (Just for reference, SCC is an english-language group, and is
> currently filled with China haters, the kind that would attack
> paralympians in wheelchairs, you know...)

Honest Charles isn't telling the whole truth... there are people who
dislike China here, but there are also a large number of apologists
for the Chinese government who will assert with a straight face things
like China has freedom of speech and that anything bad you hear about
China is a CIA plot.

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:38:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>On Apr 12, 9:29?am, CharlesLiu > wrote:
>> On Apr 12, 7:26?am, wrote:
>>
>> > Hi folks,
>>
>> > I heard about Pu'erh yesterday and I'm intrigued. After reading the
>> > About.com article, which is really just one guy's opinions, I am
>> > curious what you folks think is the best type of Pu'erh to get. My
>> > local Asian supermarket sells a few kinds of Pu'erh.
>>
>> > For instance, is there a particular Chinese brand that is good or bad?
>> > And which is best approach to fermentation? My goals are improved
>> > health, since this tea has been shown to lower cholesterol, and
>> > flavor.
>>
>> (Just for reference, SCC is an english-language group, and is
>> currently filled with China haters, the kind that would attack
>> paralympians in wheelchairs, you know...)
>
>Honest Charles isn't telling the whole truth... there are people who
>dislike China here,

Actually, that is hardly the case. Most westerners in here simply
don't care about China. All they care about is their self gratifying
political agenda in claiming their imaginary moral superiority.

As for the rest of yellow banana China haters, they are merely trying
to make a pathetic living by making an arse out of themselves in here
so that they can claim some kind of credit in begging for money from
their white intelligence officers. They are actually more miserable
than that Mickey Wong. Mickey Wong at least can claim to have a stable
job who is on a mission which he himself believes in. These miserable
losers, on the other hand, don't even dare to live like a decent man.
They want to claim to be Americans, but no real Americans would give
them a damn. They want to kiss you western devils' asses very much,
but always end up gnawing at the bottom of your boots instead.

It is a disgusting sight, indeed.

:-)


but there are also a large number of apologists
>for the Chinese government who will assert with a straight face things
>like China has freedom of speech and that anything bad you hear about
>China is a CIA plot.

Is "Raymond" a Chinese name?

If a "Raymond" tells you that he is a Chinese, would you believe that?

There are Chinese and then there are bananas. Real Chinese don't use
banana name, such as "Raymond".

On the other hand, banana can't help but have to use their banana
names, for fear of being told to "go back to your boat".

Banana is banana. Yellow skin outside, white shit inside.

"pg" > wrote in message
...
> Is "Raymond" a Chinese name?
> If a "Raymond" tells you that he is a Chinese, would you believe that?
> There are Chinese and then there are bananas. Real Chinese don't use
> banana name, such as "Raymond".
> On the other hand, banana can't help but have to use their banana
> names, for fear of being told to "go back to your boat".
> Banana is banana. Yellow skin outside, white shit inside.
>
Many Chinese living in the West have non-Chinese-sounding first names.
This is primarily to facilitate the pronunciation by Westerners who have
trouble in reading and pronouncing Chinese names. Personally I had to change
my Chinese name to my present one, because I was born in Indonesia, and
during the purge of the Chinese there in the early 60's, the Indonesian
government made it illegal for any Chinese to keep his/her Chinese name, in
an effort to wipe out the Chinese identity amongst the Overseas Chinese
living there; fortunately I emigrated to England. Again, your statement
makes it very difficult for anyone to believe that you have been in China.
Many Chinese in China now adopt English-sounding first names, a few of whom
have taken random choices with some very amusing results.
J.

On Apr 15, 4:40*pm, wrote:
> >www.pu-erh.netis a good place 2 start...I think there is a glossary
> > page. Lew's Babelcarp also has a glossary page for great reference.
>
> I ended up going to an Asian supermarket and
> getting a disk ("cake") made by Yunnan Tea Co Ltd,
> 12 oz (340g) for US $7.
>
> It's very good. The tea is dark red. Its flavor is
> somewhat better (to my palate) than other teas that
> I've tried, being slightly earthy, and with a slight
> hay-like scent.

You got "shu pu-erh" - an artificially aged tea. Sometimes it's called
"ripened pu-erh"
More info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pu-erh#Ripened_pu-erh

On Apr 15, 10:25 pm, "J.Venning" > wrote:
> "pg" > wrote in message
>
> ...> Is "Raymond" a Chinese name?
> > If a "Raymond" tells you that he is a Chinese, would you believe that?
> > There are Chinese and then there are bananas. Real Chinese don't use
> > banana name, such as "Raymond".
> > On the other hand, banana can't help but have to use their banana
> > names, for fear of being told to "go back to your boat".
> > Banana is banana. Yellow skin outside, white shit inside.
>
> Many Chinese living in the West have non-Chinese-sounding first names.
> This is primarily to facilitate the pronunciation by Westerners who have
> trouble in reading and pronouncing Chinese names. Personally I had to change
> my Chinese name to my present one, because I was born in Indonesia, and
> during the purge of the Chinese there in the early 60's, the Indonesian
> government made it illegal for any Chinese to keep his/her Chinese name, in
> an effort to wipe out the Chinese identity amongst the Overseas Chinese
> living there; fortunately I emigrated to England. Again, your statement
> makes it very difficult for anyone to believe that you have been in China.
> Many Chinese in China now adopt English-sounding first names, a few of whom
> have taken random choices with some very amusing results.
> J.


Noted. But that "Raymond" banana really needs some updates. Banana is
banana, nothing else matters.

"pg" > wrote in message
...
> Noted. But that "Raymond" banana really needs some updates. Banana is
> banana, nothing else matters.
>
And likewise, appreciated. I'd rather not involve myself with any
correspondence you may have with homosexuals.
J.

On Apr 15, 10:25 pm, "J.Venning" > wrote:
> "pg" > wrote in message
>
> ...> Is "Raymond" a Chinese name?
> > If a "Raymond" tells you that he is a Chinese, would you believe that?
> > There are Chinese and then there are bananas. Real Chinese don't use
> > banana name, such as "Raymond".
> > On the other hand, banana can't help but have to use their banana
> > names, for fear of being told to "go back to your boat".
> > Banana is banana. Yellow skin outside, white shit inside.
>
> Many Chinese living in the West have non-Chinese-sounding first names.
> This is primarily to facilitate the pronunciation by Westerners who have
> trouble in reading and pronouncing Chinese names. Personally I had to change
> my Chinese name to my present one, because I was born in Indonesia, and
> during the purge of the Chinese there in the early 60's, the Indonesian
> government made it illegal for any Chinese to keep his/her Chinese name, in
> an effort to wipe out the Chinese identity amongst the Overseas Chinese
> living there; fortunately I emigrated to England. Again, your statement
> makes it very difficult for anyone to believe that you have been in China.
> Many Chinese in China now adopt English-sounding first names, a few of whom
> have taken random choices with some very amusing results.
> J.


By the way, all the time I stayed abroad I never use any "Raymond" or
"Henry" name. Why? Because I am not a banana.

To say that the Westerners don't know how to pronounce Chinese names
is an excuse.

I have had white friends, when they first know me, asked me why I
don't use names like "Henry" or "Raymond". When I explained to them
that my name was given by my parents, a blessing of sorts, and using
the name they've given me is a respect, all my white friends agree
with me, and some even asked me why other Asians (particularly Chinese
bananas) want to adopt banana names --- I invite my white friends to
post that question to those who prefer "Henry" to "Wei Peng" or "Mary"
to "Xiao Ying".

Have you noticed that the majority of Japanese immigrants to the West
do not use banana names?? I know several of them, some are 4th or 5th
generation Japanese immigrants, don't speak a word of Japanese, don't
eat Sushi, et cetera, but they still use 100% Japanese names !

When I asked them who they think they really are, all of my Japanese
friends gave me the same answer: "Japanese !"

I have true respect for such people. They never forget their roots.

On the other hand, it's the chinky yellas that are ashame of their own
roots. Even before they set foot on the West, they already adopted
banana names. Some don't even speak English/French/Italian or whatever
but Chinese, but still they carry names like "Tony Lam" or "Jim Wong"
so damn proud that they don't even list their own Chinese names
anymore !

To hell with those bananas.

I am a Catholic. Of course I have a Christian name when I was
baptised. But I still do not use that name outside of the Church
environment. Not because I am ashame or something, there's absolutely
nothing to be ashame of being a Catholic, it's that I just can't see
myself as a banana.

On Apr 16, 12:57 am, "J.Venning" > wrote:
> "pg" > wrote in message
>
> ...> Noted. But that "Raymond" banana really needs some updates. Banana is
> > banana, nothing else matters.
>
> And likewise, appreciated. I'd rather not involve myself with any
> correspondence you may have with homosexuals.
> J.


Hehe... but I am not that nosy to poke at other people's sexual
preference. Whatever they do in their bedroom it's their own business,
as long as they keep it to themselves.

"pg" > wrote in message
...
> Hehe... but I am not that nosy to poke at other people's sexual
> preference. Whatever they do in their bedroom it's their own business,
> as long as they keep it to themselves.
>
But there are a few, like those in these newsgroups, who do not keep it
to themselves - they want to flaunt it, as if it were the only thing to to
be.
J.

"pg" > wrote in message
...
>> I am a Catholic. Of course I have a Christian name when I was
> baptised. But I still do not use that name outside of the Church
> environment. Not because I am ashame or something, there's absolutely
> nothing to be ashame of being a Catholic, it's that I just can't see
> myself as a banana.
>
We each have reasons for keeping our given names or taking on another,
but whatever the reason, I don't think we should chastise others for not
doing precisely what we do. I notice there is one poster from Singapore
whose name is Wan Long Fak. Now, let me ask you, what sort of a name is that
?
J.

On Apr 16, 1:35 am, "J.Venning" > wrote:
> "pg" > wrote in message
>
> ...>> I am a Catholic. Of course I have a Christian name when I was
> > baptised. But I still do not use that name outside of the Church
> > environment. Not because I am ashame or something, there's absolutely
> > nothing to be ashame of being a Catholic, it's that I just can't see
> > myself as a banana.
>
> We each have reasons for keeping our given names or taking on another,
> but whatever the reason, I don't think we should chastise others for not
> doing precisely what we do. I notice there is one poster from Singapore
> whose name is Wan Long Fak. Now, let me ask you, what sort of a name is that
> ?
> J.

Wan = King ?
Long = Dragon ?
Fak = Hair ?

On Apr 16, 1:35 am, "J.Venning" > wrote:
> "pg" > wrote in message
>
> ...>> I am a Catholic. Of course I have a Christian name when I was
> > baptised. But I still do not use that name outside of the Church
> > environment. Not because I am ashame or something, there's absolutely
> > nothing to be ashame of being a Catholic, it's that I just can't see
> > myself as a banana.
>
> We each have reasons for keeping our given names or taking on another,
> but whatever the reason, I don't think we should chastise others for not
> doing precisely what we do.


I won't chastise anyone on the basis of name -- but will go after
those bananas, with sharp knife, who are flaunting their bananas !!

"pg" > wrote in message
...
>> We each have reasons for keeping our given names or taking on
>> another,
>> but whatever the reason, I don't think we should chastise others for not
>> doing precisely what we do. I notice there is one poster from Singapore
>> whose name is Wan Long Fak. Now, let me ask you, what sort of a name is
>> that
>
> Wan = King ?
> Long = Dragon ?
> Fak = Hair ?
>
What about just simple "one long ****"?
J.

"pg" > wrote in message
...
> I won't chastise anyone on the basis of name -- but will go after
> those bananas, with sharp knife, who are flaunting their bananas !!
>
We each have our own cross to bear, and being Catholic you should know
that. I spent my teen-age years studying in a Franciscan convent school - I
know.
J.