What's the cleanest (from the harmful crap like bacteria/lead/etc)
bottled water anyone? Bay area tap water has high counts of bacteria &
floride. And is it true a simple UV light will kill 99.9% of bacteria
in a gallon of water? TIA.

On Aug 8, 3:40 pm, wrote:
> What's the cleanest (from the harmful crap like bacteria/lead/etc)
> bottled water anyone? Bay area tap water has high counts of bacteria &
> floride. And is it true a simple UV light will kill 99.9% of bacteria
> in a gallon of water? TIA.

I would highly doubt you have "high counts" of bacteria in your tap
water as it is treated for just this reason. Fluoride, yes, bacteria,
most likely not. The "cleanest" bottled water is distilled, but that
is not necessarily the best for tea.

Almost all bottled water comes from those very same taps you find
troublesome just around the country. They filter the water and bottle
it. You can do the very same.

I am a hiker and deal with water purification in the field at times, I
prefer either boiling or a chemical (bleach/Aquasafe tablets) to UV
methods like a Steripen. Many use the UV methods but it is not
something I put any trust in.

- Dominic

On Aug 8, 1:15*pm, "Dominic T." > wrote:
> On Aug 8, 3:40 pm, wrote:
>
> > What's the cleanest (from the harmful crap like bacteria/lead/etc)
> > bottled water anyone? Bay area tap water has high counts of bacteria &
> > floride. And is it true a simple UV light will kill 99.9% of bacteria
> > in a gallon of water? TIA.
>
> I would highly doubt you have "high counts" of bacteria in your tap
> water as it is treated for just this reason. Fluoride, yes, bacteria,
> most likely not. The "cleanest" bottled water is distilled, but that
> is not necessarily the best for tea.
>
> Almost all bottled water comes from those very same taps you find
> troublesome just around the country. They filter the water and bottle
> it. You can do the very same.
>
> I am a hiker and deal with water purification in the field at times, I
> prefer either boiling or a chemical (bleach/Aquasafe tablets) to UV
> methods like a Steripen. Many use the UV methods but it is not
> something I put any trust in.
>
> - Dominic

I plan on trying out UV on my drinking water and posting the results
here. And yes the tap water here has a high bacteria count. I've
tested it.

On Aug 8, 1:15 pm, "Dominic T." > wrote:

> Almost all bottled water comes from those very same taps you find
> troublesome just around the country. They filter the water and bottle
> it. You can do the very same.
> - Dominic

Where did you get this information from?
Answer: Plucked From Air. No one could ever know this without first
working for EVERY bottled water company on the planet.

< ALMOST ALL ..
So where does the rest come from? Funny how you leave as many
questions as those you respond to.

bacteria is everywhere in nature
bacteria is all over in/on the human body, contributing to some
essential functions.

from what water report did you read "high count of bacteria" ?

here? http://www.calwater.com/your_water/c...2007/index.php

if such levels reach a threshold they would stop pumping it as opposed
to giving thousands of people and children diarrhea... and having to
pay 10s of millions of dollars in health care and lawsuits.

On Aug 8, 1:40*pm, SN > wrote:
> bacteria is everywhere in nature
> bacteria is all over in/on the human body, contributing to some
> essential functions.
>
> from what water report did you read "high count of bacteria" ?
>
> here?http://www.calwater.com/your_water/c...2007/index.php

wow lots of spanish tap drinkers.
No I tested it myself using a kit.

>
> if such levels reach a threshold they would stop pumping it as opposed
> to giving thousands of people and children diarrhea... and having to
> pay 10s of millions of dollars in health care and lawsuits.

It's high, I haven't the figures in front of me. Don't know if it's
high enough to create serious health probs, but long term it may
accumulate enough to be a serious issue.

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:40:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>What's the cleanest (from the harmful crap like bacteria/lead/etc)
>bottled water anyone? Bay area tap water has high counts of bacteria &
>floride. And is it true a simple UV light will kill 99.9% of bacteria
>in a gallon of water? TIA.

I saw a UV light, SteriPENN, that fits in a pocket and will kill even
viruses. It's at

http://www.rei.com/product/761905

Problem is, though, the water has to be clear or any particulates,
such as tea, will cause "shadowing" that prevents the UV from working.

bookburn

On Aug 8, 5:06 pm, wrote:
> I saw a UV light, SteriPENN, that fits in a pocket and will kill even
> viruses. It's at
>
> http://www.rei.com/product/761905
>
> Problem is, though, the water has to be clear or any particulates,
> such as tea, will cause "shadowing" that prevents the UV from working.
>
> bookburn

I mentioned this device in my reply, however as I briefly stated above
I would never actually trust this in real life as a well seasoned
hiker/backpacker/camper. This reply is not so much directed to you,
but just in general since I didn't expand too much on my distrust of
UV sterilization.

There is no way to tell if it has "worked." There is no way to tell if
it is in proper working condition (batteries of sufficient charge,
malfunction, any sort of failure). It is dependent on power, which is
not always available... even with a gimmicky solar case. A cloudy day
or night or dense cover or about a million other problems could arise
to render it useless like a cracked panel from oh, say just the kind
of traumatic experience that would lead one to truly need to rely on
it. No filtration at all. I truly could go on forever but I'll cut it
short here. Please read the customer reviews from that REI link as
well as elsewhere on the 'net if you are even considering a UV
sterilizer.

I truly depend on my gear and it can mean the difference between life
and death. Too often I see people fall for the latest gimmick or
flashy product and get stuck in some very bad situations. Sure, here
it may just mean a bad cup of tea but I figured I'd at least offer my
3 cents (the dollar is finally mounting a comeback).

- Dominic

PS FWIW I use a Katadyn Hiker Pro with Aqua Mira tablets as my backup
in almost all occasions. A bandana is my backup filter before
purifying.

On Aug 8, 2:26*pm, "Dominic T." > wrote:

> I mentioned this device in my reply, however as I briefly stated above
> I would never actually trust this in real life as a well seasoned
> hiker/backpacker/camper. This reply is not so much directed to you,
> but just in general since I didn't expand too much on my distrust of
> UV sterilization.
>
> There is no way to tell if it has "worked."

Why not? Do two water sample tests pre and post UV.

On Aug 8, 2:06*pm, wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:40:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> >What's the cleanest (from the harmful crap like bacteria/lead/etc)
> >bottled water anyone? Bay area tap water has high counts of bacteria &
> >floride. And is it true a simple UV light will kill 99.9% of bacteria
> >in a gallon of water? TIA.
>
> I saw a UV light, SteriPENN, *that fits in a pocket and will kill even
> viruses. *It's at
>
> *http://www.rei.com/product/761905
>
> Problem is, though, the water has to be clear or any particulates,
> such as tea, will cause "shadowing" that prevents the UV from working.
>
> bookburn

Super thanks. Lol. Luckily my tap water isn't as mirky as tea,
especially in the filtered reservoir.

writes:

> What's the cleanest (from the harmful crap like bacteria/lead/etc)
> bottled water anyone? Bay area tap water has high counts of bacteria &
> floride.

If you're worried about fluoride, maybe you shouldn't drink tea, which
adds fluoride to the water it's steeped in.

/Lew
---
Lew Perin /
http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

On Aug 8, 2:06*pm, Lewis Perin > wrote:
> writes:
> > What's the cleanest (from the harmful crap like bacteria/lead/etc)
> > bottled water anyone? Bay area tap water has high counts of bacteria &
> > floride.
>
> If you're worried about fluoride, maybe you shouldn't drink tea, which
> adds fluoride to the water it's steeped in.
>
I drink tea daily for the health benefits. I've read a lot of negative
things about tea. Don't know what to believe anymore without testing
things yourself. That's why it's wise to do it yourself. How adverse
is flouride?

> wrote

>
I drink tea daily for the health benefits. I've read a lot of negative
things about tea.

Would you please tell me about it, directing me
to references or any literautre on the web,
for instance?

On Aug 10, 12:57*pm, "chance" > wrote:
> > wrote *
>
>
>
> I drink tea daily for the health benefits. I've read a lot of negative
> things about tea.
>
> Would you please tell me about it, directing me
> to references or any literautre on the web,
> for instance?

There's a lot, I don't know where, but don't worry. One thread/site
said some ingredient in tea causes cancer. No worry, because billions
drink tea and prolly >50% of the heaviest tea drinkers who live a long
life didn't die of cancer. Also, you can bet EVERY thing we eat or
drink has at least one adverse health aspect to it. (For every
advantage, there's disadvantages). Even the sun which supports all
life and is healthy especially the natural vitamin D, has some harmful
aspects to it including skin cancer. Yes some foods are unhealthier
than others. Tea ain't one. Eat, sip and be merry. Continue sipping
and enjoying the sun. 8)

Just make sure your water is clean - that's the big issue and one that
can be dealt with fairly easily and inexpensively.

On Aug 10, 1:41*pm, wrote:

Oh yeah, make sure the air you breathe is clean. Very important. Live
upwind from cities. We must go gas-free. I hope gas climbs to $1000/
gallon to speed things along.

And filter your home air! For fast results, I place a big strong
Patton fan at the corner of the biggest room aimed at the hallway. I
weave a damp large beach towel through 3 mesh baskets and place it at
the back of the fan and crank that puppy on high for about fifteen
minutes twice a day. The moisture in the towel traps the most minute
particles that expensive filters miss. Make sure the towel is thin and
the meshing is very aerated so that the fan can easily pull as much
air through it as possible. I also have one fan filter where I spend
most of my time.
The air you breath is as vital as your drinking water. One reason is
we drink about 6-10 glasses of water each day. Compare that to 23,500
breaths we inhale each day!

You can also create pure air by boiling water. Something air-filter
companies won't tell you. You'd be surprised how much air can be made
from so little water. You can see the process using a kettle.

The problem is air moisture (humidity) will be high .. which ages
electronics (for every advantage, there's a disadvantage). A good
dehumidifier will help if you use it simultaneously.

BTW this is how the earth got its air: water flowed onto lava. At
least that's my current personal view.

I wouldnt. Epidemiologically the countries that do drink tea and do
better in whatever health category you care to associate also are more
active than us and consume less junk food. The only thing we do
better is tap water. As I always say if drinking tea keeps me alive
another day longer it didnt cost me anything extra. All I know is if
you drink enough tea all at once youll drown.

Jim

PS On my last office visit the Doc said to be sure to drink a lot of
water to flush the kidneys with the new medication. I told her how
much tea I drank and she literally started to stammer saying something
about the chemical makeup of vegetable proteins. I could tell she was
caught off guard. I imagine she immediately got on the phone to the
pharmaceutical company and heard them stammer.

wrote:
....always boil water...
> I drink tea daily for the health benefits. I've read a lot of negative
> things about tea.
....for drinking tea...

On Aug 11, 5:58*am, Space Cowboy > wrote:
> PS *On my last office visit the Doc said to be sure to drink a lot of
> water to flush the kidneys with the new medication. *I told her how
> much tea I drank and she literally started to stammer saying something
> about the chemical makeup of vegetable proteins.

So how much tea do you consume? Everything has negatives. Tea is
prolly better for you overall than 90% of other beverages. The traces
of junk in tea is likely very trivial; however over consumption of the
cleanest water on earth is bad for you.

On Aug 11, 4:46 pm, wrote:
> On Aug 11, 5:58 am, Space Cowboy > wrote:
>
> > PS On my last office visit the Doc said to be sure to drink a lot of
> > water to flush the kidneys with the new medication. I told her how
> > much tea I drank and she literally started to stammer saying something
> > about the chemical makeup of vegetable proteins.
>
> So how much tea do you consume? Everything has negatives. Tea is
> prolly better for you overall than 90% of other beverages. The traces
> of junk in tea is likely very trivial; however over consumption of the
> cleanest water on earth is bad for you.

I'd say it's probably not best to feed the trolls... but sometimes
it's just hard to pass up the opportunity to poke one with a pointy
stick a couple times. Don't feed them past midnight or get them wet
either.

- Me