Guys,

I bought several puerhs from Silk Road. One of them was Gold Bud. But then I
read the wrapper and there were no mentioning of anything even remotely
resemblin "gold" or "bud". So I asked Dave. Dave told me that sometime the
wrappers have no connection with puerhs because a small factory buys
wrappers from somebody else, etc. I asked him is there any connection
between the tea and the name and his answer was not very categorical. So, I
guess we have to understand that buying the puerh with the name "X" in one
catalog may not be teh one with teh same name "X" that we liked from another
catalog.
I also looked an the wrapper of " Mini Menhai Beengcha 1999" that was
discussed many time here. Surprise, surprise - I did not find the "Menghai"
on the wrapper (Menghai actually is a county in Yunnan). What it does have
is "Yunnan 7-stack beencha" and words like "Old trees, famous name, large
leaf, arbor tree" I have not identified the manifacturer but there is a
name of Yunnan tealeaf export-import company. But no mention of Menghai.
I am a bit lost here. Shouldn't a tea called "Menghai" in a catalog have at
least the word "Menghai" on its wrapper? Why dave named it Menghai? Thius
is an excellent tea, I love it, no complaints, but should't there be a
system in naming teas?

Sasha.

Welcome to the quagmire.... This is not at all unusual.


On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:04:49 GMT, "Alex Chaihorsky"
> cast caution to the wind and posted:

>Guys,
>
>I bought several puerhs from Silk Road. One of them was Gold Bud. But then I
>read the wrapper and there were no mentioning of anything even remotely
>resemblin "gold" or "bud". So I asked Dave. Dave told me that sometime the
>wrappers have no connection with puerhs because a small factory buys
>wrappers from somebody else, etc. I asked him is there any connection
>between the tea and the name and his answer was not very categorical. So, I
>guess we have to understand that buying the puerh with the name "X" in one
>catalog may not be teh one with teh same name "X" that we liked from another
>catalog.
>I also looked an the wrapper of " Mini Menhai Beengcha 1999" that was
>discussed many time here. Surprise, surprise - I did not find the "Menghai"
>on the wrapper (Menghai actually is a county in Yunnan). What it does have
>is "Yunnan 7-stack beencha" and words like "Old trees, famous name, large
>leaf, arbor tree" I have not identified the manifacturer but there is a
>name of Yunnan tealeaf export-import company. But no mention of Menghai.
>I am a bit lost here. Shouldn't a tea called "Menghai" in a catalog have at
>least the word "Menghai" on its wrapper? Why dave named it Menghai? Thius
>is an excellent tea, I love it, no complaints, but should't there be a
>system in naming teas?
>
>Sasha.
>
>
>

Welcome to the quagmire.... This is not at all unusual.


On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:04:49 GMT, "Alex Chaihorsky"
> cast caution to the wind and posted:

>Guys,
>
>I bought several puerhs from Silk Road. One of them was Gold Bud. But then I
>read the wrapper and there were no mentioning of anything even remotely
>resemblin "gold" or "bud". So I asked Dave. Dave told me that sometime the
>wrappers have no connection with puerhs because a small factory buys
>wrappers from somebody else, etc. I asked him is there any connection
>between the tea and the name and his answer was not very categorical. So, I
>guess we have to understand that buying the puerh with the name "X" in one
>catalog may not be teh one with teh same name "X" that we liked from another
>catalog.
>I also looked an the wrapper of " Mini Menhai Beengcha 1999" that was
>discussed many time here. Surprise, surprise - I did not find the "Menghai"
>on the wrapper (Menghai actually is a county in Yunnan). What it does have
>is "Yunnan 7-stack beencha" and words like "Old trees, famous name, large
>leaf, arbor tree" I have not identified the manifacturer but there is a
>name of Yunnan tealeaf export-import company. But no mention of Menghai.
>I am a bit lost here. Shouldn't a tea called "Menghai" in a catalog have at
>least the word "Menghai" on its wrapper? Why dave named it Menghai? Thius
>is an excellent tea, I love it, no complaints, but should't there be a
>system in naming teas?
>
>Sasha.
>
>
>

Just had a long and interesting conversation about wrappers and tea names
with Dave from Silk Road.
Get this - he was surprised that Mini Menghai did not have "menghai" on the
wrapper at all. When I translated the whole wrapper for him, he was also
very surprised that it has a "7 sons" in its name (you know that means 7
cakes in a bundle) because he said that this type of tea is sold by the
bunch of 10, not 7 cakes.
The fact that wrappers can just be anything is very disappointing. He said
that the Chinese will put anything on the wrapper if they feel it will sell
the tea. So I guess we have here the absolute opposite from French
traditions of wine and cheese naming and labelling and that is very sad,
because the high quality and consistency of the product is what makes
faithful customer base.
It is actually good for us, the affecionados, because we are willing to try,
compare, listen to each other and spend time and effort doing so, while the
prices will likely to stay low because there will never be a "brand" or
"name" craze, that can only happen if general public is involved.

Sasha.


"Mike Petro" > wrote in message
...
> Welcome to the quagmire.... This is not at all unusual.
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:04:49 GMT, "Alex Chaihorsky"
> > cast caution to the wind and posted:
>
>>Guys,
>>
>>I bought several puerhs from Silk Road. One of them was Gold Bud. But then
>>I
>>read the wrapper and there were no mentioning of anything even remotely
>>resemblin "gold" or "bud". So I asked Dave. Dave told me that sometime the
>>wrappers have no connection with puerhs because a small factory buys
>>wrappers from somebody else, etc. I asked him is there any connection
>>between the tea and the name and his answer was not very categorical. So,
>>I
>>guess we have to understand that buying the puerh with the name "X" in one
>>catalog may not be teh one with teh same name "X" that we liked from
>>another
>>catalog.
>>I also looked an the wrapper of " Mini Menhai Beengcha 1999" that was
>>discussed many time here. Surprise, surprise - I did not find the
>>"Menghai"
>>on the wrapper (Menghai actually is a county in Yunnan). What it does have
>>is "Yunnan 7-stack beencha" and words like "Old trees, famous name, large
>>leaf, arbor tree" I have not identified the manifacturer but there is a
>>name of Yunnan tealeaf export-import company. But no mention of Menghai.
>>I am a bit lost here. Shouldn't a tea called "Menghai" in a catalog have
>>at
>>least the word "Menghai" on its wrapper? Why dave named it Menghai? Thius
>>is an excellent tea, I love it, no complaints, but should't there be a
>>system in naming teas?
>>
>>Sasha.
>>
>>
>>
>

Just had a long and interesting conversation about wrappers and tea names
with Dave from Silk Road.
Get this - he was surprised that Mini Menghai did not have "menghai" on the
wrapper at all. When I translated the whole wrapper for him, he was also
very surprised that it has a "7 sons" in its name (you know that means 7
cakes in a bundle) because he said that this type of tea is sold by the
bunch of 10, not 7 cakes.
The fact that wrappers can just be anything is very disappointing. He said
that the Chinese will put anything on the wrapper if they feel it will sell
the tea. So I guess we have here the absolute opposite from French
traditions of wine and cheese naming and labelling and that is very sad,
because the high quality and consistency of the product is what makes
faithful customer base.
It is actually good for us, the affecionados, because we are willing to try,
compare, listen to each other and spend time and effort doing so, while the
prices will likely to stay low because there will never be a "brand" or
"name" craze, that can only happen if general public is involved.

Sasha.


"Mike Petro" > wrote in message
...
> Welcome to the quagmire.... This is not at all unusual.
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:04:49 GMT, "Alex Chaihorsky"
> > cast caution to the wind and posted:
>
>>Guys,
>>
>>I bought several puerhs from Silk Road. One of them was Gold Bud. But then
>>I
>>read the wrapper and there were no mentioning of anything even remotely
>>resemblin "gold" or "bud". So I asked Dave. Dave told me that sometime the
>>wrappers have no connection with puerhs because a small factory buys
>>wrappers from somebody else, etc. I asked him is there any connection
>>between the tea and the name and his answer was not very categorical. So,
>>I
>>guess we have to understand that buying the puerh with the name "X" in one
>>catalog may not be teh one with teh same name "X" that we liked from
>>another
>>catalog.
>>I also looked an the wrapper of " Mini Menhai Beengcha 1999" that was
>>discussed many time here. Surprise, surprise - I did not find the
>>"Menghai"
>>on the wrapper (Menghai actually is a county in Yunnan). What it does have
>>is "Yunnan 7-stack beencha" and words like "Old trees, famous name, large
>>leaf, arbor tree" I have not identified the manifacturer but there is a
>>name of Yunnan tealeaf export-import company. But no mention of Menghai.
>>I am a bit lost here. Shouldn't a tea called "Menghai" in a catalog have
>>at
>>least the word "Menghai" on its wrapper? Why dave named it Menghai? Thius
>>is an excellent tea, I love it, no complaints, but should't there be a
>>system in naming teas?
>>
>>Sasha.
>>
>>
>>
>

Can you show me a picture of the wrapper? This is interesting.


"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
.. .
> Guys,
>
> I bought several puerhs from Silk Road. One of them was Gold Bud. But then
I
> read the wrapper and there were no mentioning of anything even remotely
> resemblin "gold" or "bud". So I asked Dave. Dave told me that sometime the
> wrappers have no connection with puerhs because a small factory buys
> wrappers from somebody else, etc. I asked him is there any connection
> between the tea and the name and his answer was not very categorical. So,
I
> guess we have to understand that buying the puerh with the name "X" in one
> catalog may not be teh one with teh same name "X" that we liked from
another
> catalog.
> I also looked an the wrapper of " Mini Menhai Beengcha 1999" that was
> discussed many time here. Surprise, surprise - I did not find the
"Menghai"
> on the wrapper (Menghai actually is a county in Yunnan). What it does have
> is "Yunnan 7-stack beencha" and words like "Old trees, famous name, large
> leaf, arbor tree" I have not identified the manifacturer but there is a
> name of Yunnan tealeaf export-import company. But no mention of Menghai.
> I am a bit lost here. Shouldn't a tea called "Menghai" in a catalog have
at
> least the word "Menghai" on its wrapper? Why dave named it Menghai? Thius
> is an excellent tea, I love it, no complaints, but should't there be a
> system in naming teas?
>
> Sasha.
>
>
>
>

Sasha,

"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
.. .
> Guys,
>
> I bought several puerhs from Silk Road. One of them was Gold Bud. But then
I
> read the wrapper and there were no mentioning of anything even remotely
> resemblin "gold" or "bud".
"Gold Bud" indicates the young flush that were used for the pressing of this
cake. There's usually no indication on the wrapper, especially for
Menghai's products. You'll have to check the cake to see if you can see the
gold buds. I'm not 100% certain, but I doubt if the tea factories of
Kunming and Xiaguan print that either, because in my dealings with the
cakes, it's usually by visually checking the cake can one determine what it
is called.

So I asked Dave. Dave told me that sometime the
> wrappers have no connection with puerhs because a small factory buys
> wrappers from somebody else, etc. I asked him is there any connection
> between the tea and the name and his answer was not very categorical. So,
I
> guess we have to understand that buying the puerh with the name "X" in one
> catalog may not be teh one with teh same name "X" that we liked from
another
> catalog.
What Dave said is true, but only in cases: a) where a small factory buys
over a defunct old reputable factory and uses its wrappers and printing
machine to print wrappers for new cakes to be pass off as old valuable
cakes; b) where someone collects leftover wrappers from closed old reputable
factory and sell them to small factories needing the wrappers, or trying to
cash in on the old cakes' fame. I'm not sure how old is your cake, or if it
is the gold bud you meant, but I don't think the 2 examples cited may be the
case.
If you are getting cakes that are post 1973, it is quite safe to assume that
what you see on the wrapper is what you get. If you are getting cakes
before 1973, then it is only right for you to check the cake thoroughly
first before making that investment.

> I also looked an the wrapper of " Mini Menhai Beengcha 1999" that was
> discussed many time here. Surprise, surprise - I did not find the
"Menghai"
> on the wrapper (Menghai actually is a county in Yunnan). What it does have
> is "Yunnan 7-stack beencha" and words like "Old trees, famous name, large
> leaf, arbor tree" I have not identified the manifacturer but there is a
> name of Yunnan tealeaf export-import company. But no mention of Menghai.
> I am a bit lost here. Shouldn't a tea called "Menghai" in a catalog have
at
> least the word "Menghai" on its wrapper? Why dave named it Menghai? Thius
> is an excellent tea, I love it, no complaints, but should't there be a
> system in naming teas?
>
I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't no
surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's primary
export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas) /
Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your Beengcha
(Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha, China
National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export Cooperation,
Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is produced in
Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual labels. The
other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however I'm no
expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to contribute.

Samar.

/29/04


>>
> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't no
> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's primary
> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas) /
> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your Beengcha
> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha, China
> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export Cooperation,
> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is produced in
> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual labels. The
> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however I'm no
> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to contribute.
>
> Samar.

Danny, Samar, whoever:

So, do I understand that only the Menghai bunch in Yunnan uses the "Natinal
Native Produce and Animal By-products Import and Export Corporation" label?
That's interesting news.

Michael

/29/04


>>
> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't no
> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's primary
> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas) /
> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your Beengcha
> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha, China
> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export Cooperation,
> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is produced in
> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual labels. The
> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however I'm no
> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to contribute.
>
> Samar.

Danny, Samar, whoever:

So, do I understand that only the Menghai bunch in Yunnan uses the "Natinal
Native Produce and Animal By-products Import and Export Corporation" label?
That's interesting news.

Michael

Hey Michael,

Yup, this is mostly true, I forgot to mention however, that for Menghai
beengcha, the bilingual label only appeared after 1972.

Danny, Samar, whatever. :")


"Michael Plant" > wrote in message
...
> /29/04
>
>
> >>
> > I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't no
> > surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's primary
> > export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas) /
> > Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your
Beengcha
> > (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha, China
> > National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export
Cooperation,
> > Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is
produced in
> > Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual labels.
The
> > other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however I'm
no
> > expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to contribute.
> >
> > Samar.
>
> Danny, Samar, whoever:
>
> So, do I understand that only the Menghai bunch in Yunnan uses the
"Natinal
> Native Produce and Animal By-products Import and Export Corporation"
label?
> That's interesting news.
>
> Michael
>

"samarkand" > writes:

> [...label confusion and its causes...]
>
> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't no
> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's primary
> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas) /
> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your Beengcha
> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha, China
> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export Cooperation,
> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is produced in
> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual labels. The
> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however I'm no
> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to contribute.

I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini Menghai,
and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered about
the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.

/Lew
---
Lew Perin /
http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

I actually sent samarkand pics of both cake wraps, so he can take a look.

Sasha.

"Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
news
> "samarkand" > writes:
>
>> [...label confusion and its causes...]
>>
>> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't no
>> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's primary
>> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas) /
>> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your
>> Beengcha
>> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha, China
>> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export Cooperation,
>> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is produced
>> in
>> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual labels.
>> The
>> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however I'm no
>> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to contribute.
>
> I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini Menghai,
> and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered about
> the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.
>
> /Lew
> ---
> Lew Perin /
> http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

Many Chinese industrial names are very precise copies of Russian ones of the
Communist times.
And then Chinese translate them into Chinglish.
I would offer my translation which would be Chinese National Agricultural
Import and Export Co. Yunnan Tea Dept.
Chinese often translate into other languages word-for-word, which brings
clumsy words like "By-products" and alike.

Sasha.


"Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
news
> "samarkand" > writes:
>
>> [...label confusion and its causes...]
>>
>> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't no
>> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's primary
>> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas) /
>> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your
>> Beengcha
>> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha, China
>> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export Cooperation,
>> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is produced
>> in
>> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual labels.
>> The
>> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however I'm no
>> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to contribute.
>
> I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini Menghai,
> and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered about
> the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.
>
> /Lew
> ---
> Lew Perin /
> http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

Many Chinese industrial names are very precise copies of Russian ones of the
Communist times.
And then Chinese translate them into Chinglish.
I would offer my translation which would be Chinese National Agricultural
Import and Export Co. Yunnan Tea Dept.
Chinese often translate into other languages word-for-word, which brings
clumsy words like "By-products" and alike.

Sasha.


"Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
news
> "samarkand" > writes:
>
>> [...label confusion and its causes...]
>>
>> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't no
>> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's primary
>> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas) /
>> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your
>> Beengcha
>> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha, China
>> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export Cooperation,
>> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is produced
>> in
>> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual labels.
>> The
>> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however I'm no
>> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to contribute.
>
> I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini Menghai,
> and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered about
> the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.
>
> /Lew
> ---
> Lew Perin /
> http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

Hey, what about "China Agricultural Import & Export Co., Yunnan Tea
Division"? :")

I guess the problem in translation work is often the walking the fine tight
rope between being too literal or abstractive.

I've explained to Sasha in a personal e-mail why the Gold Bud is indeed what
it claims to be, though the Mini Menghai Beengcha confounded me somewhat.
Here's the e-mail:

"...I can't make out the green wrapper, it's probably from a small factory,
and
doesn't tell much. But what is interesting is that it uses the traditional
character - something not uncommon, but for small factories, they would
usually use the new simplified system...I smell something Taiwanese in this,
though I can't pin it down at the moment. I'll run the picture with some
friends and see what they can come up.

As for the red one, "gold bud" is written on the wrapper, but not in what
you think it should be. Are you familiar with the term "Bai Zhen Jin
Lian" - White Needles Golden Lotus [buds]? This tribute tea (in the past)
is made with the best flush of Spring, sometimes also known as Chun Jian.
The words "Gong Tin Chun Jian" - can be translated as Imperial Court Golden
Bud, and it lined on the outer ring of the Cha character"

Samar

"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
m...
> Many Chinese industrial names are very precise copies of Russian ones of
the
> Communist times.
> And then Chinese translate them into Chinglish.
> I would offer my translation which would be Chinese National Agricultural
> Import and Export Co. Yunnan Tea Dept.
> Chinese often translate into other languages word-for-word, which brings
> clumsy words like "By-products" and alike.
>
> Sasha.
>
>
> "Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
> news
> > "samarkand" > writes:
> >
> >> [...label confusion and its causes...]
> >>
> >> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't no
> >> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's primary
> >> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas) /
> >> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your
> >> Beengcha
> >> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha, China
> >> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export
Cooperation,
> >> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is
produced
> >> in
> >> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual labels.
> >> The
> >> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however I'm
no
> >> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to contribute.
> >
> > I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini Menghai,
> > and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered about
> > the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.
> >
> > /Lew
> > ---
> > Lew Perin /
> > http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html
>
>

Hey, what about "China Agricultural Import & Export Co., Yunnan Tea
Division"? :")

I guess the problem in translation work is often the walking the fine tight
rope between being too literal or abstractive.

I've explained to Sasha in a personal e-mail why the Gold Bud is indeed what
it claims to be, though the Mini Menghai Beengcha confounded me somewhat.
Here's the e-mail:

"...I can't make out the green wrapper, it's probably from a small factory,
and
doesn't tell much. But what is interesting is that it uses the traditional
character - something not uncommon, but for small factories, they would
usually use the new simplified system...I smell something Taiwanese in this,
though I can't pin it down at the moment. I'll run the picture with some
friends and see what they can come up.

As for the red one, "gold bud" is written on the wrapper, but not in what
you think it should be. Are you familiar with the term "Bai Zhen Jin
Lian" - White Needles Golden Lotus [buds]? This tribute tea (in the past)
is made with the best flush of Spring, sometimes also known as Chun Jian.
The words "Gong Tin Chun Jian" - can be translated as Imperial Court Golden
Bud, and it lined on the outer ring of the Cha character"

Samar

"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
m...
> Many Chinese industrial names are very precise copies of Russian ones of
the
> Communist times.
> And then Chinese translate them into Chinglish.
> I would offer my translation which would be Chinese National Agricultural
> Import and Export Co. Yunnan Tea Dept.
> Chinese often translate into other languages word-for-word, which brings
> clumsy words like "By-products" and alike.
>
> Sasha.
>
>
> "Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
> news
> > "samarkand" > writes:
> >
> >> [...label confusion and its causes...]
> >>
> >> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't no
> >> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's primary
> >> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas) /
> >> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your
> >> Beengcha
> >> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha, China
> >> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export
Cooperation,
> >> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is
produced
> >> in
> >> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual labels.
> >> The
> >> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however I'm
no
> >> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to contribute.
> >
> > I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini Menghai,
> > and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered about
> > the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.
> >
> > /Lew
> > ---
> > Lew Perin /
> > http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html
>
>

Dropping "National" make it more "Taiwanese".

Alex.

"samarkand" > wrote in message
...
> Hey, what about "China Agricultural Import & Export Co., Yunnan Tea
> Division"? :")
>
> I guess the problem in translation work is often the walking the fine
> tight
> rope between being too literal or abstractive.
>
> I've explained to Sasha in a personal e-mail why the Gold Bud is indeed
> what
> it claims to be, though the Mini Menghai Beengcha confounded me somewhat.
> Here's the e-mail:
>
> "...I can't make out the green wrapper, it's probably from a small
> factory,
> and
> doesn't tell much. But what is interesting is that it uses the
> traditional
> character - something not uncommon, but for small factories, they would
> usually use the new simplified system...I smell something Taiwanese in
> this,
> though I can't pin it down at the moment. I'll run the picture with some
> friends and see what they can come up.
>
> As for the red one, "gold bud" is written on the wrapper, but not in what
> you think it should be. Are you familiar with the term "Bai Zhen Jin
> Lian" - White Needles Golden Lotus [buds]? This tribute tea (in the past)
> is made with the best flush of Spring, sometimes also known as Chun Jian.
> The words "Gong Tin Chun Jian" - can be translated as Imperial Court
> Golden
> Bud, and it lined on the outer ring of the Cha character"
>
> Samar
>
> "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Many Chinese industrial names are very precise copies of Russian ones of
> the
>> Communist times.
>> And then Chinese translate them into Chinglish.
>> I would offer my translation which would be Chinese National Agricultural
>> Import and Export Co. Yunnan Tea Dept.
>> Chinese often translate into other languages word-for-word, which brings
>> clumsy words like "By-products" and alike.
>>
>> Sasha.
>>
>>
>> "Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > "samarkand" > writes:
>> >
>> >> [...label confusion and its causes...]
>> >>
>> >> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't no
>> >> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's primary
>> >> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas) /
>> >> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your
>> >> Beengcha
>> >> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha, China
>> >> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export
> Cooperation,
>> >> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is
> produced
>> >> in
>> >> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual labels.
>> >> The
>> >> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however I'm
> no
>> >> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to
>> >> contribute.
>> >
>> > I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini Menghai,
>> > and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered about
>> > the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.
>> >
>> > /Lew
>> > ---
>> > Lew Perin /
>> > http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html
>>
>>
>
>

Dropping "National" make it more "Taiwanese".

Alex.

"samarkand" > wrote in message
...
> Hey, what about "China Agricultural Import & Export Co., Yunnan Tea
> Division"? :")
>
> I guess the problem in translation work is often the walking the fine
> tight
> rope between being too literal or abstractive.
>
> I've explained to Sasha in a personal e-mail why the Gold Bud is indeed
> what
> it claims to be, though the Mini Menghai Beengcha confounded me somewhat.
> Here's the e-mail:
>
> "...I can't make out the green wrapper, it's probably from a small
> factory,
> and
> doesn't tell much. But what is interesting is that it uses the
> traditional
> character - something not uncommon, but for small factories, they would
> usually use the new simplified system...I smell something Taiwanese in
> this,
> though I can't pin it down at the moment. I'll run the picture with some
> friends and see what they can come up.
>
> As for the red one, "gold bud" is written on the wrapper, but not in what
> you think it should be. Are you familiar with the term "Bai Zhen Jin
> Lian" - White Needles Golden Lotus [buds]? This tribute tea (in the past)
> is made with the best flush of Spring, sometimes also known as Chun Jian.
> The words "Gong Tin Chun Jian" - can be translated as Imperial Court
> Golden
> Bud, and it lined on the outer ring of the Cha character"
>
> Samar
>
> "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Many Chinese industrial names are very precise copies of Russian ones of
> the
>> Communist times.
>> And then Chinese translate them into Chinglish.
>> I would offer my translation which would be Chinese National Agricultural
>> Import and Export Co. Yunnan Tea Dept.
>> Chinese often translate into other languages word-for-word, which brings
>> clumsy words like "By-products" and alike.
>>
>> Sasha.
>>
>>
>> "Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > "samarkand" > writes:
>> >
>> >> [...label confusion and its causes...]
>> >>
>> >> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't no
>> >> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's primary
>> >> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas) /
>> >> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your
>> >> Beengcha
>> >> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha, China
>> >> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export
> Cooperation,
>> >> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is
> produced
>> >> in
>> >> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual labels.
>> >> The
>> >> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however I'm
> no
>> >> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to
>> >> contribute.
>> >
>> > I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini Menghai,
>> > and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered about
>> > the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.
>> >
>> > /Lew
>> > ---
>> > Lew Perin /
>> > http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html
>>
>>
>
>

That may be true, but Chinese National can equally be miscontrued as
Taiwanese too. What about China National? Haha! We are talking as if we
are on the board of the company, herr Tongzhi! :")


"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
.. .
> Dropping "National" make it more "Taiwanese".
>
> Alex.
>
> "samarkand" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hey, what about "China Agricultural Import & Export Co., Yunnan Tea
> > Division"? :")
> >
> > I guess the problem in translation work is often the walking the fine
> > tight
> > rope between being too literal or abstractive.
> >
> > I've explained to Sasha in a personal e-mail why the Gold Bud is indeed
> > what
> > it claims to be, though the Mini Menghai Beengcha confounded me
somewhat.
> > Here's the e-mail:
> >
> > "...I can't make out the green wrapper, it's probably from a small
> > factory,
> > and
> > doesn't tell much. But what is interesting is that it uses the
> > traditional
> > character - something not uncommon, but for small factories, they would
> > usually use the new simplified system...I smell something Taiwanese in
> > this,
> > though I can't pin it down at the moment. I'll run the picture with
some
> > friends and see what they can come up.
> >
> > As for the red one, "gold bud" is written on the wrapper, but not in
what
> > you think it should be. Are you familiar with the term "Bai Zhen Jin
> > Lian" - White Needles Golden Lotus [buds]? This tribute tea (in the
past)
> > is made with the best flush of Spring, sometimes also known as Chun
Jian.
> > The words "Gong Tin Chun Jian" - can be translated as Imperial Court
> > Golden
> > Bud, and it lined on the outer ring of the Cha character"
> >
> > Samar
> >
> > "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
> > m...
> >> Many Chinese industrial names are very precise copies of Russian ones
of
> > the
> >> Communist times.
> >> And then Chinese translate them into Chinglish.
> >> I would offer my translation which would be Chinese National
Agricultural
> >> Import and Export Co. Yunnan Tea Dept.
> >> Chinese often translate into other languages word-for-word, which
brings
> >> clumsy words like "By-products" and alike.
> >>
> >> Sasha.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
> >> news > >> > "samarkand" > writes:
> >> >
> >> >> [...label confusion and its causes...]
> >> >>
> >> >> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't
no
> >> >> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's
primary
> >> >> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas)
/
> >> >> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your
> >> >> Beengcha
> >> >> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha,
China
> >> >> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export
> > Cooperation,
> >> >> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is
> > produced
> >> >> in
> >> >> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual
labels.
> >> >> The
> >> >> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however
I'm
> > no
> >> >> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to
> >> >> contribute.
> >> >
> >> > I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini Menghai,
> >> > and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered about
> >> > the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.
> >> >
> >> > /Lew
> >> > ---
> >> > Lew Perin /
> >> > http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

That may be true, but Chinese National can equally be miscontrued as
Taiwanese too. What about China National? Haha! We are talking as if we
are on the board of the company, herr Tongzhi! :")


"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
.. .
> Dropping "National" make it more "Taiwanese".
>
> Alex.
>
> "samarkand" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hey, what about "China Agricultural Import & Export Co., Yunnan Tea
> > Division"? :")
> >
> > I guess the problem in translation work is often the walking the fine
> > tight
> > rope between being too literal or abstractive.
> >
> > I've explained to Sasha in a personal e-mail why the Gold Bud is indeed
> > what
> > it claims to be, though the Mini Menghai Beengcha confounded me
somewhat.
> > Here's the e-mail:
> >
> > "...I can't make out the green wrapper, it's probably from a small
> > factory,
> > and
> > doesn't tell much. But what is interesting is that it uses the
> > traditional
> > character - something not uncommon, but for small factories, they would
> > usually use the new simplified system...I smell something Taiwanese in
> > this,
> > though I can't pin it down at the moment. I'll run the picture with
some
> > friends and see what they can come up.
> >
> > As for the red one, "gold bud" is written on the wrapper, but not in
what
> > you think it should be. Are you familiar with the term "Bai Zhen Jin
> > Lian" - White Needles Golden Lotus [buds]? This tribute tea (in the
past)
> > is made with the best flush of Spring, sometimes also known as Chun
Jian.
> > The words "Gong Tin Chun Jian" - can be translated as Imperial Court
> > Golden
> > Bud, and it lined on the outer ring of the Cha character"
> >
> > Samar
> >
> > "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
> > m...
> >> Many Chinese industrial names are very precise copies of Russian ones
of
> > the
> >> Communist times.
> >> And then Chinese translate them into Chinglish.
> >> I would offer my translation which would be Chinese National
Agricultural
> >> Import and Export Co. Yunnan Tea Dept.
> >> Chinese often translate into other languages word-for-word, which
brings
> >> clumsy words like "By-products" and alike.
> >>
> >> Sasha.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
> >> news > >> > "samarkand" > writes:
> >> >
> >> >> [...label confusion and its causes...]
> >> >>
> >> >> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't
no
> >> >> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's
primary
> >> >> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas)
/
> >> >> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your
> >> >> Beengcha
> >> >> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha,
China
> >> >> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export
> > Cooperation,
> >> >> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is
> > produced
> >> >> in
> >> >> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual
labels.
> >> >> The
> >> >> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however
I'm
> > no
> >> >> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to
> >> >> contribute.
> >> >
> >> > I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini Menghai,
> >> > and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered about
> >> > the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.
> >> >
> >> > /Lew
> >> > ---
> >> > Lew Perin /
> >> > http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Be careful with TongZhi. You are welcome to be of whatever persuasion, but I
am nobody's TongZhi.

Sasha.

"samarkand" > wrote in message
...
> That may be true, but Chinese National can equally be miscontrued as
> Taiwanese too. What about China National? Haha! We are talking as if we
> are on the board of the company, herr Tongzhi! :")
>
>
> "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Dropping "National" make it more "Taiwanese".
>>
>> Alex.
>>
>> "samarkand" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Hey, what about "China Agricultural Import & Export Co., Yunnan Tea
>> > Division"? :")
>> >
>> > I guess the problem in translation work is often the walking the fine
>> > tight
>> > rope between being too literal or abstractive.
>> >
>> > I've explained to Sasha in a personal e-mail why the Gold Bud is indeed
>> > what
>> > it claims to be, though the Mini Menghai Beengcha confounded me
> somewhat.
>> > Here's the e-mail:
>> >
>> > "...I can't make out the green wrapper, it's probably from a small
>> > factory,
>> > and
>> > doesn't tell much. But what is interesting is that it uses the
>> > traditional
>> > character - something not uncommon, but for small factories, they would
>> > usually use the new simplified system...I smell something Taiwanese in
>> > this,
>> > though I can't pin it down at the moment. I'll run the picture with
> some
>> > friends and see what they can come up.
>> >
>> > As for the red one, "gold bud" is written on the wrapper, but not in
> what
>> > you think it should be. Are you familiar with the term "Bai Zhen Jin
>> > Lian" - White Needles Golden Lotus [buds]? This tribute tea (in the
> past)
>> > is made with the best flush of Spring, sometimes also known as Chun
> Jian.
>> > The words "Gong Tin Chun Jian" - can be translated as Imperial Court
>> > Golden
>> > Bud, and it lined on the outer ring of the Cha character"
>> >
>> > Samar
>> >
>> > "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
>> > m...
>> >> Many Chinese industrial names are very precise copies of Russian ones
> of
>> > the
>> >> Communist times.
>> >> And then Chinese translate them into Chinglish.
>> >> I would offer my translation which would be Chinese National
> Agricultural
>> >> Import and Export Co. Yunnan Tea Dept.
>> >> Chinese often translate into other languages word-for-word, which
> brings
>> >> clumsy words like "By-products" and alike.
>> >>
>> >> Sasha.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
>> >> news >> >> > "samarkand" > writes:
>> >> >
>> >> >> [...label confusion and its causes...]
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it ain't
> no
>> >> >> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's
> primary
>> >> >> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas (Bingchas)
> /
>> >> >> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does your
>> >> >> Beengcha
>> >> >> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha,
> China
>> >> >> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export
>> > Cooperation,
>> >> >> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is
>> > produced
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual
> labels.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers, however
> I'm
>> > no
>> >> >> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to
>> >> >> contribute.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini
>> >> > Menghai,
>> >> > and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered
>> >> > about
>> >> > the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.
>> >> >
>> >> > /Lew
>> >> > ---
>> >> > Lew Perin /
>> >> > http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Haha! I see you understand the nuance of the other meanng to Tongzhi
(Comrade)! Nah, I meant it in the strictest communist sense.

"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
...
> Be careful with TongZhi. You are welcome to be of whatever persuasion, but
I
> am nobody's TongZhi.
>
> Sasha.
>
> "samarkand" > wrote in message
> ...
> > That may be true, but Chinese National can equally be miscontrued as
> > Taiwanese too. What about China National? Haha! We are talking as if
we
> > are on the board of the company, herr Tongzhi! :")
> >
> >
> > "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> >> Dropping "National" make it more "Taiwanese".
> >>
> >> Alex.
> >>
> >> "samarkand" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Hey, what about "China Agricultural Import & Export Co., Yunnan Tea
> >> > Division"? :")
> >> >
> >> > I guess the problem in translation work is often the walking the fine
> >> > tight
> >> > rope between being too literal or abstractive.
> >> >
> >> > I've explained to Sasha in a personal e-mail why the Gold Bud is
indeed
> >> > what
> >> > it claims to be, though the Mini Menghai Beengcha confounded me
> > somewhat.
> >> > Here's the e-mail:
> >> >
> >> > "...I can't make out the green wrapper, it's probably from a small
> >> > factory,
> >> > and
> >> > doesn't tell much. But what is interesting is that it uses the
> >> > traditional
> >> > character - something not uncommon, but for small factories, they
would
> >> > usually use the new simplified system...I smell something Taiwanese
in
> >> > this,
> >> > though I can't pin it down at the moment. I'll run the picture with
> > some
> >> > friends and see what they can come up.
> >> >
> >> > As for the red one, "gold bud" is written on the wrapper, but not in
> > what
> >> > you think it should be. Are you familiar with the term "Bai Zhen Jin
> >> > Lian" - White Needles Golden Lotus [buds]? This tribute tea (in the
> > past)
> >> > is made with the best flush of Spring, sometimes also known as Chun
> > Jian.
> >> > The words "Gong Tin Chun Jian" - can be translated as Imperial Court
> >> > Golden
> >> > Bud, and it lined on the outer ring of the Cha character"
> >> >
> >> > Samar
> >> >
> >> > "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
> >> > m...
> >> >> Many Chinese industrial names are very precise copies of Russian
ones
> > of
> >> > the
> >> >> Communist times.
> >> >> And then Chinese translate them into Chinglish.
> >> >> I would offer my translation which would be Chinese National
> > Agricultural
> >> >> Import and Export Co. Yunnan Tea Dept.
> >> >> Chinese often translate into other languages word-for-word, which
> > brings
> >> >> clumsy words like "By-products" and alike.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sasha.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
> >> >> news > >> >> > "samarkand" > writes:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> [...label confusion and its causes...]
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it
ain't
> > no
> >> >> >> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's
> > primary
> >> >> >> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas
(Bingchas)
> > /
> >> >> >> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does
your
> >> >> >> Beengcha
> >> >> >> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha,
> > China
> >> >> >> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export
> >> > Cooperation,
> >> >> >> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is
> >> > produced
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual
> > labels.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers,
however
> > I'm
> >> > no
> >> >> >> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to
> >> >> >> contribute.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini
> >> >> > Menghai,
> >> >> > and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > /Lew
> >> >> > ---
> >> >> > Lew Perin /
> >> >> > http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Haha! I see you understand the nuance of the other meanng to Tongzhi
(Comrade)! Nah, I meant it in the strictest communist sense.

"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
...
> Be careful with TongZhi. You are welcome to be of whatever persuasion, but
I
> am nobody's TongZhi.
>
> Sasha.
>
> "samarkand" > wrote in message
> ...
> > That may be true, but Chinese National can equally be miscontrued as
> > Taiwanese too. What about China National? Haha! We are talking as if
we
> > are on the board of the company, herr Tongzhi! :")
> >
> >
> > "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> >> Dropping "National" make it more "Taiwanese".
> >>
> >> Alex.
> >>
> >> "samarkand" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Hey, what about "China Agricultural Import & Export Co., Yunnan Tea
> >> > Division"? :")
> >> >
> >> > I guess the problem in translation work is often the walking the fine
> >> > tight
> >> > rope between being too literal or abstractive.
> >> >
> >> > I've explained to Sasha in a personal e-mail why the Gold Bud is
indeed
> >> > what
> >> > it claims to be, though the Mini Menghai Beengcha confounded me
> > somewhat.
> >> > Here's the e-mail:
> >> >
> >> > "...I can't make out the green wrapper, it's probably from a small
> >> > factory,
> >> > and
> >> > doesn't tell much. But what is interesting is that it uses the
> >> > traditional
> >> > character - something not uncommon, but for small factories, they
would
> >> > usually use the new simplified system...I smell something Taiwanese
in
> >> > this,
> >> > though I can't pin it down at the moment. I'll run the picture with
> > some
> >> > friends and see what they can come up.
> >> >
> >> > As for the red one, "gold bud" is written on the wrapper, but not in
> > what
> >> > you think it should be. Are you familiar with the term "Bai Zhen Jin
> >> > Lian" - White Needles Golden Lotus [buds]? This tribute tea (in the
> > past)
> >> > is made with the best flush of Spring, sometimes also known as Chun
> > Jian.
> >> > The words "Gong Tin Chun Jian" - can be translated as Imperial Court
> >> > Golden
> >> > Bud, and it lined on the outer ring of the Cha character"
> >> >
> >> > Samar
> >> >
> >> > "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
> >> > m...
> >> >> Many Chinese industrial names are very precise copies of Russian
ones
> > of
> >> > the
> >> >> Communist times.
> >> >> And then Chinese translate them into Chinglish.
> >> >> I would offer my translation which would be Chinese National
> > Agricultural
> >> >> Import and Export Co. Yunnan Tea Dept.
> >> >> Chinese often translate into other languages word-for-word, which
> > brings
> >> >> clumsy words like "By-products" and alike.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sasha.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
> >> >> news > >> >> > "samarkand" > writes:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> [...label confusion and its causes...]
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I checked this out with some friends. Surprise, surprise, it
ain't
> > no
> >> >> >> surprise at all. Of the 3 main factories in Yunnan, Menghai's
> > primary
> >> >> >> export is compressed disc teas in the names of Beengchas
(Bingchas)
> > /
> >> >> >> Yuanchas / Tie Bingchas / Qi Zi Bingchas (7-sons), etc. Does
your
> >> >> >> Beengcha
> >> >> >> (Bingcha) have English label such as "Yunnan Chi Tse Beeng Cha,
> > China
> >> >> >> National Native produce & Animal By-products Import & Export
> >> > Cooperation,
> >> >> >> Yunnan Tea Branch" etc? That's the most obvious sign that it is
> >> > produced
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> Menghai. Both Kunming & Xiaguan rarely print their bilingual
> > labels.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> other tell-tale signs would be the prints on the wrappers,
however
> > I'm
> >> > no
> >> >> >> expert in this field, so I'll leave it to others who are to
> >> >> >> contribute.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have the same cake from Silk Road Teas that they call Mini
> >> >> > Menghai,
> >> >> > and the answer is: no, there's no English. I'd always wondered
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > the "by-products" label; thanks for telling us.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > /Lew
> >> >> > ---
> >> >> > Lew Perin /
> >> >> > http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html
> >> >>
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> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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