Hi everybody,

At some point I am probably going to buy some sort of "traditional"
British teapot. Would those of you who own both a Chatsford and/or a
Brown Betty, or who have pondered the differences between the brew
made by each and have an opinion about it, please post and tell me
what you think of each one and how each one performs for you. I'm not
so much interested in the look of either, but more importantly what
the tea tastes like and secondarily how convenient it is to brew in. I
know that the two are made from different materials (I gather)...terra
cotta for the BB vs. "china" (exclusively porcelaine?) for the
Chatsford. Also, is the BB not being made in England anymore or am I
getting it mixed up with the Chatsford that moved it's production
to..Malaysia I think...


Many thanks in advance

Melinda

"Melinda" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi everybody,
>
> At some point I am probably going to buy some sort of "traditional"
> British teapot. Would those of you who own both a Chatsford and/or a
> Brown Betty, or who have pondered the differences between the brew
> made by each and have an opinion about it, please post and tell me
> what you think of each one and how each one performs for you. I'm not
> so much interested in the look of either, but more importantly what
> the tea tastes like and secondarily how convenient it is to brew in. I
> know that the two are made from different materials (I gather)...terra
> cotta for the BB vs. "china" (exclusively porcelaine?) for the
> Chatsford. Also, is the BB not being made in England anymore or am I
> getting it mixed up with the Chatsford that moved it's production
> to..Malaysia I think...
>
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Melinda

Hi, Melinda.

There's a bit of confusion at your end in the Chatsford teapot and if I
may...

The Chatsford is a brewing system that allows loose tea a lot more room to
brew than does a tea ball without your having to contend with a plugged-up
teapot spout while straining. It was invented by The London Teapot Co. and
you can get a Chatsford teapot or mug in earthenware, porcelain, or bone
china from any of the different teapot-makers who have licenses to produce
it.
For more info: http://www.fjcleveland.com/teapot.html.

Personally, I contemplated getting a Brown Betty but after I tried my first
Chatsford pot, the convenience was so overwhelming that I bought a second
Chatsford in a different size and no longer lust after the perfect teapot. I
did, however, buy an extra brew basket for each pot for convenience in
switching teas.

My first Chatsford is the white w/ black trim 4-cup bone china from Upton. I
was told that it was made in England by [um...sorry, I just had a brain
fart]. My second is a plain, bright red 2-cup Arthur Wood (No longer
available, maybe anywhere. Not too many websites had it when I bought mine
last year.). While I can't tell the difference in taste, if any, the handle
of the Arthur Wood pot gets a whole lot hotter and I always have to use a
pot holder with it.

There's a good variety of Chatsford teapots in plain colors or floral and
other designs so you don't have to sacrifice looks for performance.

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"Bluesea" > wrote in message >...

>
> Hi, Melinda.
>
> There's a bit of confusion at your end in the Chatsford teapot and if I
> may...
>
> The Chatsford is a brewing system that allows loose tea a lot more room to
> brew than does a tea ball without your having to contend with a plugged-up
> teapot spout while straining. It was invented by The London Teapot Co. and
> you can get a Chatsford teapot or mug in earthenware, porcelain, or bone
> china from any of the different teapot-makers who have licenses to produce
> it.
> For more info: http://www.fjcleveland.com/teapot.html.

Oooo...that explains a lot to me, thank you Bluesea.


>
> Personally, I contemplated getting a Brown Betty but after I tried my first
> Chatsford pot, the convenience was so overwhelming that I bought a second
> Chatsford in a different size and no longer lust after the perfect teapot. I
> did, however, buy an extra brew basket for each pot for convenience in
> switching teas.
>

Yeah. I'm going to have to get a few extra brewbaskets
myself...sometimes I like to drink tisanes and some of them impart
their smell into a basket and it's tough to get the basket to not
smell unless I run it through the dishwasher which is not always
convenient (the basket I'm referring to is nylon, not metal).


> There's a good variety of Chatsford teapots in plain colors or floral and
> other designs so you don't have to sacrifice looks for performance.


On further searching I did find many different ones and I see what you
mean. Thanks very much, that clears up some confusion.

Melinda

On 16 Nov 2004 19:23:06 -0800, (Melinda) wrote:

>> For more info: http://www.fjcleveland.com/teapot.html.
>
>Oooo...that explains a lot to me, thank you Bluesea.

It explains a lot to me too - why I'll never ever buy one of their
teapots.


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"Bluesea" > wrote in message >...

>
> Hi, Melinda.
>
> There's a bit of confusion at your end in the Chatsford teapot and if I
> may...
>
> The Chatsford is a brewing system that allows loose tea a lot more room to
> brew than does a tea ball without your having to contend with a plugged-up
> teapot spout while straining. It was invented by The London Teapot Co. and
> you can get a Chatsford teapot or mug in earthenware, porcelain, or bone
> china from any of the different teapot-makers who have licenses to produce
> it.
> For more info: http://www.fjcleveland.com/teapot.html.

Oooo...that explains a lot to me, thank you Bluesea.


>
> Personally, I contemplated getting a Brown Betty but after I tried my first
> Chatsford pot, the convenience was so overwhelming that I bought a second
> Chatsford in a different size and no longer lust after the perfect teapot. I
> did, however, buy an extra brew basket for each pot for convenience in
> switching teas.
>

Yeah. I'm going to have to get a few extra brewbaskets
myself...sometimes I like to drink tisanes and some of them impart
their smell into a basket and it's tough to get the basket to not
smell unless I run it through the dishwasher which is not always
convenient (the basket I'm referring to is nylon, not metal).


> There's a good variety of Chatsford teapots in plain colors or floral and
> other designs so you don't have to sacrifice looks for performance.


On further searching I did find many different ones and I see what you
mean. Thanks very much, that clears up some confusion.

Melinda

"Melinda" > wrote in message
om...
<snip>
> I
> know that the two are made from different materials (I gather)...terra
> cotta for the BB vs. "china" (exclusively porcelaine?) for the
> Chatsford. Also, is the BB not being made in England anymore...

I had to eat and check my memory from back when I was considering a Brown
Betty.

It seems to me that since the Brown Betty is made of red clay from
Stoke-on-Trent, it has to be made in England, in S-on-T, or it would be an
imitation since that particular clay isn't obtainable elsewhere.

Or, is it?

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The S-O-T clay is white with brown Rockingham glaze. Chatsford makes
a teapot with Rockingham glaze but I can't vouch for the clay. A
traditional BB is 8 cups. Chatsfords are smaller with built in
infuser. BB you use an external strainer. You can buy teapots from
S-O-T with Rockingham glaze from other potteries commonly referred too
as Staffordshire teapots. I think BB is synonymous with Arthur Wood
who is no longer in business. Besides the glaze and clay the other
characteristic is the 'pot bellied' walls which is noticeable in
larger pots. Nothing defines 'traditional' more than a BB.

Jim

"Bluesea" > wrote in message >...
> "Melinda" > wrote in message
> om...
> <snip>
> > I
> > know that the two are made from different materials (I gather)...terra
> > cotta for the BB vs. "china" (exclusively porcelaine?) for the
> > Chatsford. Also, is the BB not being made in England anymore...
>
> I had to eat and check my memory from back when I was considering a Brown
> Betty.
>
> It seems to me that since the Brown Betty is made of red clay from
> Stoke-on-Trent, it has to be made in England, in S-on-T, or it would be an
> imitation since that particular clay isn't obtainable elsewhere.
>
> Or, is it?

Sorry, but that's not entirely accurate.

Chatsford isn't a company but is a patented design that is licensed to
teapot-makers. I've seen them available in 10-cup sizes and more than one
website attributes *red* clay from the Bradell Woods area of S-o-T for the
BB, not white. The James Sadler (which was bought by Churchill China) BB
*is* made from white clay, but authentic pots, which were originally
unglazed, still use the red. On the bottom of
http://www.teatreasures.com/page/Tea...rd-Clay-Teapot,
there's a BB Chatsford although I can't tell if it's made from the authentic
red clay or not.

Although Arthur Wood did close its doors in Oct. 2003, Rayware Ltd in
Liverpool bought the intellectual property rights and all remaining stock
that same year and a reply from Rayware earlier this year to an inquiry that
I made said that they will continue to manufacture and use the brand name
for Arthur Wood products as well as launch new designs.

Finally, I question why the BB might be synonymous with Arthur Wood. The red
clay was discovered and the first teapots made in the 17th century, but AW
didn't start manufacturing until 1884 and others make it, too.

All the best.


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"Space Cowboy" > wrote in message
om...
> The S-O-T clay is white with brown Rockingham glaze. Chatsford makes
> a teapot with Rockingham glaze but I can't vouch for the clay. A
> traditional BB is 8 cups. Chatsfords are smaller with built in
> infuser. BB you use an external strainer. You can buy teapots from
> S-O-T with Rockingham glaze from other potteries commonly referred too
> as Staffordshire teapots. I think BB is synonymous with Arthur Wood
> who is no longer in business. Besides the glaze and clay the other
> characteristic is the 'pot bellied' walls which is noticeable in
> larger pots. Nothing defines 'traditional' more than a BB.
>
> Jim
>
> "Bluesea" > wrote in message
>...
> > "Melinda" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > <snip>
> > > I
> > > know that the two are made from different materials (I gather)...terra
> > > cotta for the BB vs. "china" (exclusively porcelaine?) for the
> > > Chatsford. Also, is the BB not being made in England anymore...
> >
> > I had to eat and check my memory from back when I was considering a
Brown
> > Betty.
> >
> > It seems to me that since the Brown Betty is made of red clay from
> > Stoke-on-Trent, it has to be made in England, in S-on-T, or it would be
an
> > imitation since that particular clay isn't obtainable elsewhere.
> >
> > Or, is it?

Thanks for the followup on the Arthur Wood legacy. I couldn't imagine
the name recognition going down the drain. AFAIK the terra-cotta clay
from S-o-T which is brownish orange will fire white. My AW BB has
raised white lettering identifying the maker and a white seat. I
identify the BB by style as you suggested large pot, bowed walls,
glaze, clay, one piece construction. AW made the largest and I have
the 10 cup model so if nothing else my BB is bigger than yours. I
haven't seen any Chatsford over 4 cups which include infusers and a BB
doesn't at any size. AW is always mentioned with construction of
terra-cotta clay and Rockingham glaze. I've only seen Chatsford BB
mentioned with glaze and no mention of clay. I don't know about BB
name origin but AW BB is traditional as you can get. Mineral pigment
is often added to clay so a white unglazed clay teapot is quite rare.
You'd leave finger prints. What I really know about BB is from
talking with US English expatriates in teashops.

Jim

"Bluesea" > wrote in message >...
> Sorry, but that's not entirely accurate.
>
> Chatsford isn't a company but is a patented design that is licensed to
> teapot-makers. I've seen them available in 10-cup sizes and more than one
> website attributes *red* clay from the Bradell Woods area of S-o-T for the
> BB, not white. The James Sadler (which was bought by Churchill China) BB
> *is* made from white clay, but authentic pots, which were originally
> unglazed, still use the red. On the bottom of
> http://www.teatreasures.com/page/Tea...rd-Clay-Teapot,
> there's a BB Chatsford although I can't tell if it's made from the authentic
> red clay or not.
>
> Although Arthur Wood did close its doors in Oct. 2003, Rayware Ltd in
> Liverpool bought the intellectual property rights and all remaining stock
> that same year and a reply from Rayware earlier this year to an inquiry that
> I made said that they will continue to manufacture and use the brand name
> for Arthur Wood products as well as launch new designs.
>
> Finally, I question why the BB might be synonymous with Arthur Wood. The red
> clay was discovered and the first teapots made in the 17th century, but AW
> didn't start manufacturing until 1884 and others make it, too.
>
> All the best.
>
>
> --
> ~~Bluesea~~
> Spam is great in musubi but not in email.
> Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.
>
>
> "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message
> om...
> > The S-O-T clay is white with brown Rockingham glaze. Chatsford makes
> > a teapot with Rockingham glaze but I can't vouch for the clay. A
> > traditional BB is 8 cups. Chatsfords are smaller with built in
> > infuser. BB you use an external strainer. You can buy teapots from
> > S-O-T with Rockingham glaze from other potteries commonly referred too
> > as Staffordshire teapots. I think BB is synonymous with Arthur Wood
> > who is no longer in business. Besides the glaze and clay the other
> > characteristic is the 'pot bellied' walls which is noticeable in
> > larger pots. Nothing defines 'traditional' more than a BB.
> >
> > Jim

For the time being I'm going to back off claim of AW BB with
terracotta and Rockingham glaze. I 'think' it is white porcelain and
Rockingham glaze. It looks creamy inside the pot and white on the
edges. I only suspect this because AW is really known for floral
porcelain teapots. The pot has bowed walls, drip free, one piece,
large, S-o-T. I remember the Pristine, Sadler, Chatsford with solid
brown throughout so much so I thought they looked artificial. So the
terracotta should fire dark. There aren't that many BB on Ebay to see
pictures of bottom and lid. Rockingham glaze is a 'universal' popular
glaze from England.

Jim

(Space Cowboy) wrote in message om>...
> Thanks for the followup on the Arthur Wood legacy. I couldn't imagine
> the name recognition going down the drain. AFAIK the terra-cotta clay
> from S-o-T which is brownish orange will fire white. My AW BB has
> raised white lettering identifying the maker and a white seat.

For the time being I'm going to back off claim of AW BB with
terracotta and Rockingham glaze. I 'think' it is white porcelain and
Rockingham glaze. It looks creamy inside the pot and white on the
edges. I only suspect this because AW is really known for floral
porcelain teapots. The pot has bowed walls, drip free, one piece,
large, S-o-T. I remember the Pristine, Sadler, Chatsford with solid
brown throughout so much so I thought they looked artificial. So the
terracotta should fire dark. There aren't that many BB on Ebay to see
pictures of bottom and lid. Rockingham glaze is a 'universal' popular
glaze from England.

Jim

(Space Cowboy) wrote in message om>...
> Thanks for the followup on the Arthur Wood legacy. I couldn't imagine
> the name recognition going down the drain. AFAIK the terra-cotta clay
> from S-o-T which is brownish orange will fire white. My AW BB has
> raised white lettering identifying the maker and a white seat.

Actually, All Chatsford teapots and mugs come with an infuser basket. The
Chatsford line (trademark of the London Teapot Company) is 100% infuser
based. The baskets are made in England. The ceramics have been made by a
variety of potters. The original earthenware teapot was made by Arthur Wood,
and theirs is the only 10-cup infuser version made to date. I believe
Upton is the only source of this teapot at present, and I believe they
purchased the last production lot of AW's 10-cup Chatsford.

I am not aware of bone china products by AW, but they did a wide variety of
earthware decorated teapots, including several patters for the Chatsford
line.

.... vjw

>I haven't seen any Chatsford over 4 cups which include infusers and a BB
> doesn't at any size. AW is always mentioned with construction of
> terra-cotta clay and Rockingham glaze. I've only seen Chatsford BB

Thanks for the followup on the Arthur Wood legacy. I couldn't imagine
the name recognition going down the drain. AFAIK the terra-cotta clay
from S-o-T which is brownish orange will fire white. My AW BB has
raised white lettering identifying the maker and a white seat. I
identify the BB by style as you suggested large pot, bowed walls,
glaze, clay, one piece construction. AW made the largest and I have
the 10 cup model so if nothing else my BB is bigger than yours. I
haven't seen any Chatsford over 4 cups which include infusers and a BB
doesn't at any size. AW is always mentioned with construction of
terra-cotta clay and Rockingham glaze. I've only seen Chatsford BB
mentioned with glaze and no mention of clay. I don't know about BB
name origin but AW BB is traditional as you can get. Mineral pigment
is often added to clay so a white unglazed clay teapot is quite rare.
You'd leave finger prints. What I really know about BB is from
talking with US English expatriates in teashops.

Jim

"Bluesea" > wrote in message >...
> Sorry, but that's not entirely accurate.
>
> Chatsford isn't a company but is a patented design that is licensed to
> teapot-makers. I've seen them available in 10-cup sizes and more than one
> website attributes *red* clay from the Bradell Woods area of S-o-T for the
> BB, not white. The James Sadler (which was bought by Churchill China) BB
> *is* made from white clay, but authentic pots, which were originally
> unglazed, still use the red. On the bottom of
> http://www.teatreasures.com/page/Tea...rd-Clay-Teapot,
> there's a BB Chatsford although I can't tell if it's made from the authentic
> red clay or not.
>
> Although Arthur Wood did close its doors in Oct. 2003, Rayware Ltd in
> Liverpool bought the intellectual property rights and all remaining stock
> that same year and a reply from Rayware earlier this year to an inquiry that
> I made said that they will continue to manufacture and use the brand name
> for Arthur Wood products as well as launch new designs.
>
> Finally, I question why the BB might be synonymous with Arthur Wood. The red
> clay was discovered and the first teapots made in the 17th century, but AW
> didn't start manufacturing until 1884 and others make it, too.
>
> All the best.
>
>
> --
> ~~Bluesea~~
> Spam is great in musubi but not in email.
> Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.
>
>
> "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message
> om...
> > The S-O-T clay is white with brown Rockingham glaze. Chatsford makes
> > a teapot with Rockingham glaze but I can't vouch for the clay. A
> > traditional BB is 8 cups. Chatsfords are smaller with built in
> > infuser. BB you use an external strainer. You can buy teapots from
> > S-O-T with Rockingham glaze from other potteries commonly referred too
> > as Staffordshire teapots. I think BB is synonymous with Arthur Wood
> > who is no longer in business. Besides the glaze and clay the other
> > characteristic is the 'pot bellied' walls which is noticeable in
> > larger pots. Nothing defines 'traditional' more than a BB.
> >
> > Jim

Thanks for the followup on the Arthur Wood legacy. I couldn't imagine
the name recognition going down the drain. AFAIK the terra-cotta clay
from S-o-T which is brownish orange will fire white. My AW BB has
raised white lettering identifying the maker and a white seat. I
identify the BB by style as you suggested large pot, bowed walls,
glaze, clay, one piece construction. AW made the largest and I have
the 10 cup model so if nothing else my BB is bigger than yours. I
haven't seen any Chatsford over 4 cups which include infusers and a BB
doesn't at any size. AW is always mentioned with construction of
terra-cotta clay and Rockingham glaze. I've only seen Chatsford BB
mentioned with glaze and no mention of clay. I don't know about BB
name origin but AW BB is traditional as you can get. Mineral pigment
is often added to clay so a white unglazed clay teapot is quite rare.
You'd leave finger prints. What I really know about BB is from
talking with US English expatriates in teashops.

Jim

"Bluesea" > wrote in message >...
> Sorry, but that's not entirely accurate.
>
> Chatsford isn't a company but is a patented design that is licensed to
> teapot-makers. I've seen them available in 10-cup sizes and more than one
> website attributes *red* clay from the Bradell Woods area of S-o-T for the
> BB, not white. The James Sadler (which was bought by Churchill China) BB
> *is* made from white clay, but authentic pots, which were originally
> unglazed, still use the red. On the bottom of
> http://www.teatreasures.com/page/Tea...rd-Clay-Teapot,
> there's a BB Chatsford although I can't tell if it's made from the authentic
> red clay or not.
>
> Although Arthur Wood did close its doors in Oct. 2003, Rayware Ltd in
> Liverpool bought the intellectual property rights and all remaining stock
> that same year and a reply from Rayware earlier this year to an inquiry that
> I made said that they will continue to manufacture and use the brand name
> for Arthur Wood products as well as launch new designs.
>
> Finally, I question why the BB might be synonymous with Arthur Wood. The red
> clay was discovered and the first teapots made in the 17th century, but AW
> didn't start manufacturing until 1884 and others make it, too.
>
> All the best.
>
>
> --
> ~~Bluesea~~
> Spam is great in musubi but not in email.
> Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.
>
>
> "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message
> om...
> > The S-O-T clay is white with brown Rockingham glaze. Chatsford makes
> > a teapot with Rockingham glaze but I can't vouch for the clay. A
> > traditional BB is 8 cups. Chatsfords are smaller with built in
> > infuser. BB you use an external strainer. You can buy teapots from
> > S-O-T with Rockingham glaze from other potteries commonly referred too
> > as Staffordshire teapots. I think BB is synonymous with Arthur Wood
> > who is no longer in business. Besides the glaze and clay the other
> > characteristic is the 'pot bellied' walls which is noticeable in
> > larger pots. Nothing defines 'traditional' more than a BB.
> >
> > Jim

"Bluesea" > wrote in message
...
>
> It seems to me that since the Brown Betty is made of red clay from
> Stoke-on-Trent, it has to be made in England, in S-on-T, or it would be an
> imitation since that particular clay isn't obtainable elsewhere.
>
> Or, is it?

Aha! From
http://www.gourmetretailer.com/gourm...ent_id=1057194

or, http://tinyurl.com/6qlnq:

"The red clay used to create the Brown Betty — a traditional English
teapot — is said to be similar to that used to make the Yixing pots. Both
have excellent heat retention, permeability, and high plasticity."


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"Bluesea" > wrote in message
...
>
> It seems to me that since the Brown Betty is made of red clay from
> Stoke-on-Trent, it has to be made in England, in S-on-T, or it would be an
> imitation since that particular clay isn't obtainable elsewhere.
>
> Or, is it?

Aha! From
http://www.gourmetretailer.com/gourm...ent_id=1057194

or, http://tinyurl.com/6qlnq:

"The red clay used to create the Brown Betty — a traditional English
teapot — is said to be similar to that used to make the Yixing pots. Both
have excellent heat retention, permeability, and high plasticity."


--
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Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.

"Bluesea" > wrote in message
...
>
> It seems to me that since the Brown Betty is made of red clay from
> Stoke-on-Trent, it has to be made in England, in S-on-T, or it would be an
> imitation since that particular clay isn't obtainable elsewhere.
>
> Or, is it?

Aha! From
http://www.gourmetretailer.com/gourm...ent_id=1057194

or, http://tinyurl.com/6qlnq:

"The red clay used to create the Brown Betty — a traditional English
teapot — is said to be similar to that used to make the Yixing pots. Both
have excellent heat retention, permeability, and high plasticity."


--
~~Bluesea~~
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Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.

The S-O-T clay is white with brown Rockingham glaze. Chatsford makes
a teapot with Rockingham glaze but I can't vouch for the clay. A
traditional BB is 8 cups. Chatsfords are smaller with built in
infuser. BB you use an external strainer. You can buy teapots from
S-O-T with Rockingham glaze from other potteries commonly referred too
as Staffordshire teapots. I think BB is synonymous with Arthur Wood
who is no longer in business. Besides the glaze and clay the other
characteristic is the 'pot bellied' walls which is noticeable in
larger pots. Nothing defines 'traditional' more than a BB.

Jim

"Bluesea" > wrote in message >...
> "Melinda" > wrote in message
> om...
> <snip>
> > I
> > know that the two are made from different materials (I gather)...terra
> > cotta for the BB vs. "china" (exclusively porcelaine?) for the
> > Chatsford. Also, is the BB not being made in England anymore...
>
> I had to eat and check my memory from back when I was considering a Brown
> Betty.
>
> It seems to me that since the Brown Betty is made of red clay from
> Stoke-on-Trent, it has to be made in England, in S-on-T, or it would be an
> imitation since that particular clay isn't obtainable elsewhere.
>
> Or, is it?

Hi Melinda,

I have been considering the same two teapots. I went through a phase of
tetsubin cast iron pots and Jenaer and Bodum glass pots. Now I'm looking
for something more practical for everyday use.

Brown Betty is both a style and a "brand." The true Brown Betty is made by
Caledonia Pottery in England. They're widely available online and I've been
trying to decide where to buy one. I've seen the Peter Sadler "Brown Betty"
style pots but the modern ones are now made in Malaysia. The English
Chatsford pot that's available through Special Teas.com,
http://www.specialteas.com, is also made in Malaysia for the Churchill
Ceramics Company of England. Special Teas carries replacement filters as
well. I've also seen this type of pot marketed as "The Finum" but the
price is higher than those at Special Teas. The nylon filter basket doesn't
appeal to me because I just bought a Swiss Gold teapot infuser.

I have decided to buy the Brown Betty since I have a white porcelain glazed
English style 2-3 cup pot. I'm pretty sure it's made in China or
Malaysia--it's a drippy pot and I have to replace it. The heat retention is
ok. The Brown Betty is supposed to keep the tea warm longer and has a
dripless spout. A Brown Betty seasons like a cast iron pot does and
supposedly improves the flavor of the tea. I drink mostly black teas so I
think this is the best choice for me. (I plan to use a glazed ceramic pot
for herbal or flavored teas.) If you want to use the same pot for single
estate, herbal and flavored teas, you might consider the Chatsford style and
some OxyClean to get the flavors and stains out of the filter basket each
week.

All the best,


Renee






"Melinda" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi everybody,
>
> At some point I am probably going to buy some sort of "traditional"
> British teapot. Would those of you who own both a Chatsford and/or a
> Brown Betty, or who have pondered the differences between the brew
> made by each and have an opinion about it, please post and tell me
> what you think of each one and how each one performs for you. I'm not
> so much interested in the look of either, but more importantly what
> the tea tastes like and secondarily how convenient it is to brew in. I
> know that the two are made from different materials (I gather)...terra
> cotta for the BB vs. "china" (exclusively porcelaine?) for the
> Chatsford. Also, is the BB not being made in England anymore or am I
> getting it mixed up with the Chatsford that moved it's production
> to..Malaysia I think...
>
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Melinda

"Frank & Renee" > wrote in message
news:qtomd.10579$tI3.10136@trndny01...
>
> I have decided to buy the Brown Betty since I have a white porcelain
glazed
> English style 2-3 cup pot. I'm pretty sure it's made in China or
> Malaysia--it's a drippy pot and I have to replace it. The heat retention
is
> ok.

Renee,

I have a larger made-in-China teapot that dripped until I bought this little
gadget:

http://www.culinaryteas.com/Tea_Accessories/1384.html.


HTH.

--
~~Bluesea~~
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Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.

Thank you! I'll have to get that so I can keep this pot...


"Bluesea" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Frank & Renee" > wrote in message
> news:qtomd.10579$tI3.10136@trndny01...
> >
> > I have decided to buy the Brown Betty since I have a white porcelain
> glazed
> > English style 2-3 cup pot. I'm pretty sure it's made in China or
> > Malaysia--it's a drippy pot and I have to replace it. The heat retention
> is
> > ok.
>
> Renee,
>
> I have a larger made-in-China teapot that dripped until I bought this
little
> gadget:
>
> http://www.culinaryteas.com/Tea_Accessories/1384.html.
>
>
> HTH.
>
> --
> ~~Bluesea~~
> Spam is great in musubi but not in email.
> Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.
>
>

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:10:16 GMT, Bluesea wrote:

> "Frank & Renee" > wrote in message
> news:qtomd.10579$tI3.10136@trndny01...
>>
>> I have decided to buy the Brown Betty since I have a white porcelain
> glazed
>> English style 2-3 cup pot. I'm pretty sure it's made in China or
>> Malaysia--it's a drippy pot and I have to replace it. The heat retention
> is
>> ok.
>
> Renee,
>
> I have a larger made-in-China teapot that dripped until I bought this little
> gadget:
>
> http://www.culinaryteas.com/Tea_Accessories/1384.html.
>
>
> HTH.

I'm not Renee, but that helps me with my drippy pot. So, thanks!

--
Derek

Luck can't last a lifetime unless you die young.

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:10:16 GMT, Bluesea wrote:

> "Frank & Renee" > wrote in message
> news:qtomd.10579$tI3.10136@trndny01...
>>
>> I have decided to buy the Brown Betty since I have a white porcelain
> glazed
>> English style 2-3 cup pot. I'm pretty sure it's made in China or
>> Malaysia--it's a drippy pot and I have to replace it. The heat retention
> is
>> ok.
>
> Renee,
>
> I have a larger made-in-China teapot that dripped until I bought this little
> gadget:
>
> http://www.culinaryteas.com/Tea_Accessories/1384.html.
>
>
> HTH.

I'm not Renee, but that helps me with my drippy pot. So, thanks!

--
Derek

Luck can't last a lifetime unless you die young.

Thank you! I'll have to get that so I can keep this pot...


"Bluesea" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Frank & Renee" > wrote in message
> news:qtomd.10579$tI3.10136@trndny01...
> >
> > I have decided to buy the Brown Betty since I have a white porcelain
> glazed
> > English style 2-3 cup pot. I'm pretty sure it's made in China or
> > Malaysia--it's a drippy pot and I have to replace it. The heat retention
> is
> > ok.
>
> Renee,
>
> I have a larger made-in-China teapot that dripped until I bought this
little
> gadget:
>
> http://www.culinaryteas.com/Tea_Accessories/1384.html.
>
>
> HTH.
>
> --
> ~~Bluesea~~
> Spam is great in musubi but not in email.
> Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.
>
>

"Frank & Renee" > wrote in message news:<qtomd.10579$tI3.10136@trndny01>...
> Hi Melinda,
>
> I have been considering the same two teapots. I went through a phase of
> tetsubin cast iron pots and Jenaer and Bodum glass pots. Now I'm looking
> for something more practical for everyday use.


I use Bodum pretty much exclusively right now. I love them because
they're so convenient but I do have to try to wrap them up in a towel
or something to keep them warm while they're brewing. I don't have a
cozy...yet. I haven't had any problem with them breaking. I'm sure
they would if I knocked them against something hard enough, but no
problems yet.
>
> Brown Betty is both a style and a "brand." The true Brown Betty is made by
> Caledonia Pottery in England. They're widely available online and I've been
> trying to decide where to buy one. I've seen the Peter Sadler "Brown Betty"
> style pots but the modern ones are now made in Malaysia. The English
> Chatsford pot that's available through Special Teas.com,
> http://www.specialteas.com, is also made in Malaysia for the Churchill
> Ceramics Company of England.

While searching the web I noticed that there are a lot of sites that
are out of certain teapots made in Malaysia that are having delivery
problems or the factory is having production glitches or something,
they all say that the teapots will be in in mid-november. I can't
remember the precise teapot (it was two different kinds I seem to
remember.). The Caledonia pottery one is the one Brown Betty I've seen
everywhere (local supermarket/specialty store and Costplus World
Market to name the two most recent places). I wondered if it was good
or not. When I looked on the bottom of the ones I've seen here they
all have a red clay showing through (where the pot meets the shelf in
the kiln) not white, but looking online I did see either an old Arthur
Wood or a Chatsford Brown Betty that was advertised as having a base
of white clay.

Special Teas carries replacement filters as
> well. I've also seen this type of pot marketed as "The Finum" but the
> price is higher than those at Special Teas. The nylon filter basket doesn't
> appeal to me because I just bought a Swiss Gold teapot infuser.


Renee, does the Swissgold infuser fit in the Caladonia Brown betty, do
you know? That would be ideal because I am trying to get away from
nylon mesh filters, they don't clean for me as well though they are
good for very fine teas and rooibos.


>
> I have decided to buy the Brown Betty since I have a white porcelain glazed
> English style 2-3 cup pot. I'm pretty sure it's made in China or
> Malaysia--it's a drippy pot and I have to replace it. The heat retention is
> ok. The Brown Betty is supposed to keep the tea warm longer and has a
> dripless spout. A Brown Betty seasons like a cast iron pot does and
> supposedly improves the flavor of the tea. I drink mostly black teas so I
> think this is the best choice for me. (I plan to use a glazed ceramic pot
> for herbal or flavored teas.) If you want to use the same pot for single
> estate, herbal and flavored teas, you might consider the Chatsford style and
> some OxyClean to get the flavors and stains out of the filter basket each
> week.


Yeah I would want it for black teas too. I make them in my Bodum now
which is just fine but there's something so...traditional...about a
Brown Betty. Good old standby and all that, lol. Thanks very much for
your input!


Melinda

> Renee, does the Swissgold infuser fit in the Caladonia Brown betty, do
> you know? That would be ideal because I am trying to get away from
> nylon mesh filters, they don't clean for me as well though they are
> good for very fine teas and rooibos.
>
>

Hi Melinda,

I have a ten ounce brown betty that it won't fit, but it -just- fits in my
16 oz dribble pot...that pot is shaped like a Brown Betty. I use it with
that pot all the time. The opening on the pot is 2 1/4 inches across. I
dunk the SG teaball a few times before removing it to make sure that the
infusion is complete. This teaball works great with Rooibos and I use it
all the time for that. I bought it a couple of weeks ago and haven't had
any problems with staining or flavor transfer yet. So far I've only rinsed
it since I don't want to rub off the gold plating. If some Rooibos sticks
in the holes on the inside of the infuser, I use the sprayer on my sink on
the outside of the infuser and then wipe out and rinse the remainer. I
bought this infuser through Stash Tea: http://shopstashtea.com/700091.html

It's about three inches long--the hook and chain are just shy of 5 inches.

I've found a retailer with fair prices on the Brown Betty...Mark T Wendell
company. I haven't ordered just yet but I'm probably going to order by
Monday. I sent for a print catalog since their website doesn't state if the
BB's are from Caledonia Pottery. I sent an email to customer service and
was told that they are. The print catalog states that they are as well (I
got that last night). I will be buying some large Teeli filters for my
larger pot and peppermint tea since I don't want to use the Swiss Gold for
mint and it's most likely too small for the biggest pot I have--which I only
use for company anyway.

I'm planning on making some tea cozies this winter...I have to design a
pattern first. If you want to send me your email address, I'll let you know
once I've finished one for the Brown Betty.

Renee

"Frank & Renee" > wrote in message
news:qtomd.10579$tI3.10136@trndny01...
>
> I have decided to buy the Brown Betty since I have a white porcelain
glazed
> English style 2-3 cup pot. I'm pretty sure it's made in China or
> Malaysia--it's a drippy pot and I have to replace it. The heat retention
is
> ok.

Renee,

I have a larger made-in-China teapot that dripped until I bought this little
gadget:

http://www.culinaryteas.com/Tea_Accessories/1384.html.


HTH.

--
~~Bluesea~~
Spam is great in musubi but not in email.
Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.

"Melinda" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi everybody,
>
> At some point I am probably going to buy some sort of "traditional"
> British teapot. Would those of you who own both a Chatsford and/or a
> Brown Betty...

Hey, Melinda.

It might be worth your while to contact this place to find out whether or
not this Brown Betty Chatsford is authentic, made from the red clay from
Stoke-on-Trent. That way, you might be able to get both in one and avoid
having to decide between:

http://teatreasures.com/page/Tea-Sup...s-List/C001104.


--
~~Bluesea~~
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Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.

"Melinda" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi everybody,
>
> At some point I am probably going to buy some sort of "traditional"
> British teapot. Would those of you who own both a Chatsford and/or a
> Brown Betty...

Hey, Melinda.

It might be worth your while to contact this place to find out whether or
not this Brown Betty Chatsford is authentic, made from the red clay from
Stoke-on-Trent. That way, you might be able to get both in one and avoid
having to decide between:

http://teatreasures.com/page/Tea-Sup...s-List/C001104.


--
~~Bluesea~~
Spam is great in musubi but not in email.
Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.

"Melinda" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi everybody,
>
> At some point I am probably going to buy some sort of "traditional"
> British teapot. Would those of you who own both a Chatsford and/or a
> Brown Betty, or who have pondered the differences between the brew
> made by each and have an opinion about it, please post and tell me
> what you think of each one and how each one performs for you. I'm not
> so much interested in the look of either, but more importantly what
> the tea tastes like and secondarily how convenient it is to brew in. I
> know that the two are made from different materials (I gather)...terra
> cotta for the BB vs. "china" (exclusively porcelaine?) for the
> Chatsford. Also, is the BB not being made in England anymore or am I
> getting it mixed up with the Chatsford that moved it's production
> to..Malaysia I think...
>
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Melinda

Hi, Melinda.

There's a bit of confusion at your end in the Chatsford teapot and if I
may...

The Chatsford is a brewing system that allows loose tea a lot more room to
brew than does a tea ball without your having to contend with a plugged-up
teapot spout while straining. It was invented by The London Teapot Co. and
you can get a Chatsford teapot or mug in earthenware, porcelain, or bone
china from any of the different teapot-makers who have licenses to produce
it.
For more info: http://www.fjcleveland.com/teapot.html.

Personally, I contemplated getting a Brown Betty but after I tried my first
Chatsford pot, the convenience was so overwhelming that I bought a second
Chatsford in a different size and no longer lust after the perfect teapot. I
did, however, buy an extra brew basket for each pot for convenience in
switching teas.

My first Chatsford is the white w/ black trim 4-cup bone china from Upton. I
was told that it was made in England by [um...sorry, I just had a brain
fart]. My second is a plain, bright red 2-cup Arthur Wood (No longer
available, maybe anywhere. Not too many websites had it when I bought mine
last year.). While I can't tell the difference in taste, if any, the handle
of the Arthur Wood pot gets a whole lot hotter and I always have to use a
pot holder with it.

There's a good variety of Chatsford teapots in plain colors or floral and
other designs so you don't have to sacrifice looks for performance.

--
~~Bluesea~~
Spam is great in musubi but not in email.
Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.

Hi Melinda,

I have been considering the same two teapots. I went through a phase of
tetsubin cast iron pots and Jenaer and Bodum glass pots. Now I'm looking
for something more practical for everyday use.

Brown Betty is both a style and a "brand." The true Brown Betty is made by
Caledonia Pottery in England. They're widely available online and I've been
trying to decide where to buy one. I've seen the Peter Sadler "Brown Betty"
style pots but the modern ones are now made in Malaysia. The English
Chatsford pot that's available through Special Teas.com,
http://www.specialteas.com, is also made in Malaysia for the Churchill
Ceramics Company of England. Special Teas carries replacement filters as
well. I've also seen this type of pot marketed as "The Finum" but the
price is higher than those at Special Teas. The nylon filter basket doesn't
appeal to me because I just bought a Swiss Gold teapot infuser.

I have decided to buy the Brown Betty since I have a white porcelain glazed
English style 2-3 cup pot. I'm pretty sure it's made in China or
Malaysia--it's a drippy pot and I have to replace it. The heat retention is
ok. The Brown Betty is supposed to keep the tea warm longer and has a
dripless spout. A Brown Betty seasons like a cast iron pot does and
supposedly improves the flavor of the tea. I drink mostly black teas so I
think this is the best choice for me. (I plan to use a glazed ceramic pot
for herbal or flavored teas.) If you want to use the same pot for single
estate, herbal and flavored teas, you might consider the Chatsford style and
some OxyClean to get the flavors and stains out of the filter basket each
week.

All the best,


Renee






"Melinda" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi everybody,
>
> At some point I am probably going to buy some sort of "traditional"
> British teapot. Would those of you who own both a Chatsford and/or a
> Brown Betty, or who have pondered the differences between the brew
> made by each and have an opinion about it, please post and tell me
> what you think of each one and how each one performs for you. I'm not
> so much interested in the look of either, but more importantly what
> the tea tastes like and secondarily how convenient it is to brew in. I
> know that the two are made from different materials (I gather)...terra
> cotta for the BB vs. "china" (exclusively porcelaine?) for the
> Chatsford. Also, is the BB not being made in England anymore or am I
> getting it mixed up with the Chatsford that moved it's production
> to..Malaysia I think...
>
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Melinda