John apparently exists to recommend a tea site to us. Isn't that sweet
of him? Toci

toci wrote:
> John apparently exists to recommend a tea site to us. Isn't that sweet
> of him? Toci

Yes, another Chinese site trying to sell tea at American prices, it
does appear that shipping is included so they are a bit cheaper than
the domestic guys. They do take Paypal but the whole Shopping Cart is
in such broken english that I am not sure I would trust it.

One announcement would have been sufficient, I prefer not to support
such spammers .....

Besides they dont have any puerh anyway....

Mike

There are about 568 different kinds of Green Tea in my record, and I
believe it is just a small portion of the real production, but Puer is
just a different story, as I said, only Menghai Cha Chang and Xiaguan
Cha Chang could produce Puer in real term. Also, one of my friend once
told me that even the Menghai Cha Chang only produce very little Sheng
pu that could last for a long time, they do produce a huge amount of
sheng pu, but most of the products for fresh-comsume only.

I do agree that Puer is a great tea, but the supply isn't very health,
maybe we should wait a while, and during the waiting period, why not
put some interest in Green tea? There are too many things to try, and
avilability is much better than Puer.

I am not with John, though, but consider the western purchasing power,
I do agree that the price of tea is much to low in China, I am not
talking about the most famous 10 (12-14, actually, according to
different ranking orgnisation), some of the great stuff is only 1 pound
(GBP) per 500g, and I am considering to get some of those shipped to Uk
and sell it.

"NeoCathay" > writes:

> There are about 568 different kinds of Green Tea in my record, and I
> believe it is just a small portion of the real production, but Puer is
> just a different story, as I said, only Menghai Cha Chang and Xiaguan
> Cha Chang could produce Puer in real term.

So the smaller factories make ... imaginary Pu'er?

/Lew
---
Lew Perin /
http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

shu pu was invented by the government in late 70s and early 80s, the
purpose was to make smaller plants/farms be able to produce something
for the consideration of GDP, and as the government keep holding this
posture, many factories would be able to produce "Puer", I think this
explained the quality problem. And nowadays, Puer is very popular
outside China and hence it become the red-hot spot for capital (Menghai
had been taken over in 2004), plus the local government protection, god
know what will happen next...

"NeoCathay" > writes:

> shu pu was invented by the government in late 70s and early 80s,

....or maybe a few years earlier

> the purpose was to make smaller plants/farms be able to produce
> something for the consideration of GDP, and as the government keep
> holding this posture, many factories would be able to produce
> "Puer", I think this explained the quality problem.

I don't see how this would explain quality problems in *sheng* pu'er
made by smaller factories. Not to mention the Dai farmers who roast
their own bamboo tube pu'er.

/Lew
---
Lew Perin /
http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

shu pu was invented by the government in late 70s and early 80s, the
purpose was to make smaller plants/farms be able to produce something
to contribute GDP, and as the government keep holding this
posture, many factories would be able to produce "Puer", I think this
explained the quality issue; And nowadays, Puer is very popular
outside China and hence it become the red-hot spot for capital (Menghai

had been taken over in 2004), plus the semi-private owned China, and
local government protection, God
knows what will happen next...

shu pu was invented by the government in the late 70s and early 80s,
the
purpose was to make smaller plants/farms be able to produce something
to contribute GDP, and as the government keep holding this
posture, many factories would be able to produce "Puer", I think this
explained the quality issue; And nowadays, Puer is very popular
outside China and hence it become the red-hot spot for capital (Menghai

had been taken over in 2004), plus the semi-private owned China, and
local government protection, God
knows what will happen next...

NeoCathay wrote:
> shu pu was invented by the government in the late 70s and early 80s,
> the
> purpose was to make smaller plants/farms be able to produce something
> to contribute GDP, and as the government keep holding this
> posture, many factories would be able to produce "Puer", I think this
> explained the quality issue; And nowadays, Puer is very popular
> outside China and hence it become the red-hot spot for capital (Menghai
> had been taken over in 2004), plus the semi-private owned China, and
> local government protection, God
> knows what will happen next...

I am not sure I understand what you mean by "holding this posture"? Are
you speaking of the Government subsidizing the smaller farms and
factories after they privatized the big ones?

My reocords show that the Shu Pu process was iinvented at the Yunnan
Kunming tea factory in 1972, with the first production trials occurring
in 1973. What is your source for the 1980s date?

Yes, Mengahi was purchased by Bowin Corporation last October and they
are currently setting the market standard for high pricing and tightly
controlled distribution. They are also one of the most forged teas with
many fakes at the market bearing the Menghai name. The extremely high
percentage of fake puerhs is particularly bothersome to those of us who
must buy tea by mail.

Mike

Lewis Perin > wrote:
>"NeoCathay" > writes:
>
>> There are about 568 different kinds of Green Tea in my record, and I
>> believe it is just a small portion of the real production, but Puer is
>> just a different story, as I said, only Menghai Cha Chang and Xiaguan
>> Cha Chang could produce Puer in real term.
>
>So the smaller factories make ... imaginary Pu'er?

Just rotate 90 degrees around the i axis before drinking.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Lewis Perin wrote:
> "NeoCathay" > writes:
>
>
>>There are about 568 different kinds of Green Tea in my record, and I
>>believe it is just a small portion of the real production, but Puer is
>>just a different story, as I said, only Menghai Cha Chang and Xiaguan
>>Cha Chang could produce Puer in real term.
>
>
> So the smaller factories make ... imaginary Pu'er?

Which, if you combine with real Pu'er, you can develop some very complex
Pu'er.

>
> /Lew
> ---
> Lew Perin /
> http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

NeoCathay wrote:
> There are about 568 different kinds of Green Tea in my record, and I
> believe it is just a small portion of the real production, but Puer is
> just a different story, as I said, only Menghai Cha Chang and Xiaguan
> Cha Chang could produce Puer in real term. Also, one of my friend once
> told me that even the Menghai Cha Chang only produce very little Sheng
> pu that could last for a long time, they do produce a huge amount of
> sheng pu, but most of the products for fresh-comsume only.

This is the second time you have made this statement and I am very
confused by it. I have many books in my collection that are published
in China that document many famous sheng puers that are NOT made by
Menghai Tea Factory or Xiaguan Tea Factory. I have samples of several
of these in my own collection. Why do you say they are not *real*
puerh?

I guess the first question I must ask in order to understand would be:
What is your definition of real puerh? Please tell us what makes a
puerh real in your opinion?

I do agree that many sheng puerhs are not suitable for aging,
particularly the ones that have a high percentage of tea buds. They are
sweeter and meant to be drank right away.


> I do agree that Puer is a great tea, but the supply isn't very health,
> maybe we should wait a while, and during the waiting period, why not
> put some interest in Green tea? There are too many things to try, and
> avilability is much better than Puer.

Evryone has their own favorite teas, while I prefer puerh the most, I
also like Japanese greens particularly Shincha, other Blacks like Lui
An, and even some Red teas like a good Dian Hong.

Mike

www.pu-erh.net

> I do agree that Puer is a great tea, but the supply isn't very health,
> maybe we should wait a while, and during the waiting period, why not
> put some interest in Green tea? There are too many things to try, and
> avilability is much better than Puer.

When I said the supply isn't very healthy, I meant that the leading
suppliers of the industry is experiencing a very difficult time, I
think they would need some time to settle down with the changing,
that's the reason I suggested you guys to try other tea for a while,
and come back to it when there is a more ressonable standard and
production could be efftively regulated by it.

I don't want to talk about politics in my country, because we have too
many very different "common sense", and these difference would
definately destory a pleasent conversation; but I would love to point
out several very obvious fact related to our topic.

Gong Cha institution could be regarded as a contribute to a powerful
regime, and with this institution, there was a recognised standard of
Puer. When Guo Min Dang came to power, they abolished it, don't know
the exact reason (got several reasons in several books), they did it
anyway, might be a consideration of democracy.

>From Communist party came to power to the end of Culture Revolution
(1949-1976/77), Mr. Mao and the Communist party did a lot of things
trying to prevent the things is actually happening nowadays in China. I
have to admit that Mr. Mao's worry was reasonable and not only people
in China is suffering from these, you guys also facing the fact that it
is difficult to get good tea, but unfortunately... (those who
interested in Mao's worry could refer to his publications, I am sure
you could find enough material in English about these, just search Mao
Zedong in your library)

Back to our topic, what is real Puer? Consider the amount of the
contribution together with the standard made accordingly, I don't think
the puer product under that standard could become a massive produced
one, it simply too strict, and this should explain my statement about
the two suppliers part. As there is a lack of regulating power and
regulation, we still facing the fact that too many suppliers are
claiming that they produce Puer...

Tired, come back later.

Mike 11/28/05


>
> NeoCathay wrote:
>> There are about 568 different kinds of Green Tea in my record, and I
>> believe it is just a small portion of the real production, but Puer is
>> just a different story, as I said, only Menghai Cha Chang and Xiaguan
>> Cha Chang could produce Puer in real term. Also, one of my friend once
>> told me that even the Menghai Cha Chang only produce very little Sheng
>> pu that could last for a long time, they do produce a huge amount of
>> sheng pu, but most of the products for fresh-comsume only.
>
> This is the second time you have made this statement and I am very
> confused by it. I have many books in my collection that are published
> in China that document many famous sheng puers that are NOT made by
> Menghai Tea Factory or Xiaguan Tea Factory. I have samples of several
> of these in my own collection. Why do you say they are not *real*
> puerh?

There was real Pu'erh long before the factory system came into existence.
I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts on this.
>
> I guess the first question I must ask in order to understand would be:
> What is your definition of real puerh? Please tell us what makes a
> puerh real in your opinion?

I'd be really interested too, and will find out as I read along the thread
line.
>
> I do agree that many sheng puerhs are not suitable for aging,
> particularly the ones that have a high percentage of tea buds. They are
> sweeter and meant to be drank right away.

I think this one is most likely still up for grabs Mike, right? Pure bud
Pu'erh is a really new thing. We just can't say yet, can we? Besides, high
percentage and pure bud are quite different. Which is not to contradict.
>
>> I do agree that Puer is a great tea, but the supply isn't very health,
>> maybe we should wait a while, and during the waiting period, why not
>> put some interest in Green tea? There are too many things to try, and
>> avilability is much better than Puer.
>
> Evryone has their own favorite teas, while I prefer puerh the most, I
> also like Japanese greens particularly Shincha, other Blacks like Lui
> An, and even some Red teas like a good Dian Hong.

Yup. There's no accounting for taste or pedanticism, to coin a phrase.

Michael

I am sorry to bother you, we have Pu-er tea, sorry for making ads in
this group, i sincerely apology to all you guys, if you need some tea,
give me you address, i can send to you for free.I make my promise.
Pu-er tea URL: http://www.teahistory.net/shop/sort.asp?sort_id=9

Hi there John. Thank you for shareing your website. Sorry if we came off a
bit snippy. I understand you were just trying to attract tea lovers to your
site. Just for future reference, if you have something to add to our
convesations, please do so. If you want to put your site in your signature,
go ahead. But only one announcement is nessisary to get our attention. It
was not your ad that raised our hackles, it was the number of ads placed.
Marlene

"John" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I am sorry to bother you, we have Pu-er tea, sorry for making ads in
> this group, i sincerely apology to all you guys, if you need some tea,
> give me you address, i can send to you for free.I make my promise.
> Pu-er tea URL: http://www.teahistory.net/shop/sort.asp?sort_id=9
>