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Phony Creamy Dannon Yogurt

What dairy consumer reads the tiny print on a
container of Dannon Yogurt? One would assume it's
natural, right? Wrong! Why is Dannon Yogurt so
unnaturally thick and creamy?

Pay careful attention to the list of ingredients.
There is a message. Dannon Yogurt contains these
taste-tempting additivess: pectin, food starch,
modified food starch.

If you've ever made your own marmalade or jam from
fresh or dried fruit, you know that pectin is the
ingredient necessary for thickening. If you have a
reaction to MSG, you recognize "modified food starch"
as another name for this excitotoxin. Food starch?
Ever use corn starch or potato starch to thicken
sauces or gravies?

The bottom line is that Dannon yogurt does not
thicken naturally when made from just milk.
Manufacturers often use artificial emulsifiers
to thicken their products and then lie to consumers
by representing that they are natural. In a sense,
everything is natural with the exception of the
supernatural. Dragon blood is supernatural.
Unicorn horns are supernatural. Gillyweed is also
supernatural (you must be Harry Potter fan to know
about gillyweed). Starch, MSG, and pectin may be
called natural, but to do so is offensive and
insulting.

Solution:

Make your own vegan yogurt. It's easy. here's how:

If you own a SoyToy, instead of adding soybeans to the
filter barrel, add 1/2 cup of millet. Add water to the
cooking pot. Turn on the machine. In 25 minutes you will
have a thick creamy neutral-tasting pure white milk.
Refrigerate the millet milk and it will set into a
thick creamy vegan yogurt.

Add strawberries or blueberries or bananas or mango or
whatever fruit you desire into your blender and puree.
Stir the fruit mixture into your yogurt and enjoy!
If you have a sweet tooth, add a touch of maple syrup.

I am intentionally not giving you the phone number to
purchase a SoyToy. If you want one badly enough, you'll
figure out a way to contact me. Call this the worst
commercial offering in the history of advertising. But
one portion of millet yogurt will cost you less than a
penny to make and the SoyToy will pay for itself in a
few months, so go for it if you are so motivated to
figure out how to do so. Yes, I am in a playful mood.

Figure out how to order a SoyToy today and I'll send you
a complimentary package containing enough millet to produce
a case of homemade vegan yogurt (strawberries not included).
If and when you figure out the SoyToy toll-free number, I
can guarantee that a playfully moo-ded opertor will be
standing by to take your order.

Robert Cohen
http://www.notmilk.com
i4crob(at)earthlink.net

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so one time of day you assumed processed food was natural?




how come?



please explain that to me... how and the **** is it possible for processed
food to be NATURAL?


waits.




"Ron" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Phony Creamy Dannon Yogurt
>
> What dairy consumer reads the tiny print on a
> container of Dannon Yogurt? One would assume it's
> natural, right? Wrong! Why is Dannon Yogurt so
> unnaturally thick and creamy?
>
> Pay careful attention to the list of ingredients.
> There is a message. Dannon Yogurt contains these
> taste-tempting additivess: pectin, food starch,
> modified food starch.
>
> If you've ever made your own marmalade or jam from
> fresh or dried fruit, you know that pectin is the
> ingredient necessary for thickening. If you have a
> reaction to MSG, you recognize "modified food starch"
> as another name for this excitotoxin. Food starch?
> Ever use corn starch or potato starch to thicken
> sauces or gravies?
>
> The bottom line is that Dannon yogurt does not
> thicken naturally when made from just milk.
> Manufacturers often use artificial emulsifiers
> to thicken their products and then lie to consumers
> by representing that they are natural. In a sense,
> everything is natural with the exception of the
> supernatural. Dragon blood is supernatural.
> Unicorn horns are supernatural. Gillyweed is also
> supernatural (you must be Harry Potter fan to know
> about gillyweed). Starch, MSG, and pectin may be
> called natural, but to do so is offensive and
> insulting.
>
> Solution:
>
> Make your own vegan yogurt. It's easy. here's how:
>
> If you own a SoyToy, instead of adding soybeans to the
> filter barrel, add 1/2 cup of millet. Add water to the
> cooking pot. Turn on the machine. In 25 minutes you will
> have a thick creamy neutral-tasting pure white milk.
> Refrigerate the millet milk and it will set into a
> thick creamy vegan yogurt.
>
> Add strawberries or blueberries or bananas or mango or
> whatever fruit you desire into your blender and puree.
> Stir the fruit mixture into your yogurt and enjoy!
> If you have a sweet tooth, add a touch of maple syrup.
>
> I am intentionally not giving you the phone number to
> purchase a SoyToy. If you want one badly enough, you'll
> figure out a way to contact me. Call this the worst
> commercial offering in the history of advertising. But
> one portion of millet yogurt will cost you less than a
> penny to make and the SoyToy will pay for itself in a
> few months, so go for it if you are so motivated to
> figure out how to do so. Yes, I am in a playful mood.
>
> Figure out how to order a SoyToy today and I'll send you
> a complimentary package containing enough millet to produce
> a case of homemade vegan yogurt (strawberries not included).
> If and when you figure out the SoyToy toll-free number, I
> can guarantee that a playfully moo-ded opertor will be
> standing by to take your order.
>
> Robert Cohen
> http://www.notmilk.com
> i4crob(at)earthlink.net
>



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higher elvisarchy wrote:
>
> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > ingredient necessary for thickening. If you have a
> > reaction to MSG, you recognize "modified food starch"
> > as another name for this excitotoxin. Food starch?


Baloney! You've confused "modified food starch"
with "hydrolyzed vegetable protein" or something
like that. Hydrolyzed protein is protein that has
been broken down into amino acids, and one of those
amino acids is glutamic acid, which becomes glutamate
when alkaline. Hydrolyzed protein is used as an
MSG substitute, either for cost reasons or to avoid
indicating MSG on the label.

Starch can be hydrolyzed, but that converts it into
sugars, not amino acids.

Modified starch is not completely hydrolyzed to
sugars. It is modified to control its chain length,
to adjust its thickening properties.
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Mark Thorson wrote:
> higher elvisarchy wrote:
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>>> ingredient necessary for thickening. If you have a
>>> reaction to MSG, you recognize "modified food starch"
>>> as another name for this excitotoxin. Food starch?

>
> Baloney! You've confused "modified food starch"
> with "hydrolyzed vegetable protein" or something
> like that. Hydrolyzed protein is protein that has
> been broken down into amino acids, and one of those
> amino acids is glutamic acid, which becomes glutamate
> when alkaline. Hydrolyzed protein is used as an
> MSG substitute, either for cost reasons or to avoid
> indicating MSG on the label.
>
> Starch can be hydrolyzed, but that converts it into
> sugars, not amino acids.
>
> Modified starch is not completely hydrolyzed to
> sugars. It is modified to control its chain length,
> to adjust its thickening properties.


I thought that vegan meant
No animal products which means:
No meat
No eggs
No dairy
No fish
(No snakes, salamanders, frogs, etc. either)

We had a "local foods" brunch as a fund raiser and tried to use organic as well as local. Helped out by local producers of organic raw milk, organic pork (what's brunch w/o bacon and sausage?), cheese, yogurt, and eggs. We had foods labeled if they were known to be vegetarian and others (far fewer) labeled vegan. One of the members of the organization wanted us to show her "one of the vegans" because she wanted to know what "they" looked like.

As far as I can tell, vegans are allowed to eat
Potato chips (as long as they're fried in vegetable oil)
Guacamole
Tofu


--
It takes 15 million barrels of oil per year to make
all of the plastic water bottles in America. 8 out
of 10 water bottles end up in the landfill.
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sorry anything processed is under scruteny.


labels don't tell the entirety of it all either.



and is that vegetable oil not containing elements that help keep it's shelf
life and useage longevity? then it's probably got animal product.

everything is animal animal it's all old school the cheap industry way.

that's how it is.

i'm not sure if things will change... we just have to make our own ammends.

not all tofu is safe.... read those labels... one company will outshine
the other but be careful.


"Elmo" > wrote in message
...
> Mark Thorson wrote:
>> higher elvisarchy wrote:
>>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>>> ups.com...
>>>> ingredient necessary for thickening. If you have a
>>>> reaction to MSG, you recognize "modified food starch"
>>>> as another name for this excitotoxin. Food starch?

>>
>> Baloney! You've confused "modified food starch"
>> with "hydrolyzed vegetable protein" or something
>> like that. Hydrolyzed protein is protein that has
>> been broken down into amino acids, and one of those
>> amino acids is glutamic acid, which becomes glutamate
>> when alkaline. Hydrolyzed protein is used as an
>> MSG substitute, either for cost reasons or to avoid
>> indicating MSG on the label.
>>
>> Starch can be hydrolyzed, but that converts it into
>> sugars, not amino acids.
>>
>> Modified starch is not completely hydrolyzed to
>> sugars. It is modified to control its chain length,
>> to adjust its thickening properties.

>
> I thought that vegan meant No animal products which means:
> No meat
> No eggs
> No dairy
> No fish
> (No snakes, salamanders, frogs, etc. either)
>
> We had a "local foods" brunch as a fund raiser and tried to use organic as
> well as local. Helped out by local producers of organic raw milk, organic
> pork (what's brunch w/o bacon and sausage?), cheese, yogurt, and eggs. We
> had foods labeled if they were known to be vegetarian and others (far
> fewer) labeled vegan. One of the members of the organization wanted us to
> show her "one of the vegans" because she wanted to know what "they" looked
> like.
> As far as I can tell, vegans are allowed to eat
> Potato chips (as long as they're fried in vegetable oil)
> Guacamole
> Tofu
> --
> It takes 15 million barrels of oil per year to make
> all of the plastic water bottles in America. 8 out
> of 10 water bottles end up in the landfill.





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nope, sorry i can't trust half this shit.


labels don't always speak the truth either.. it's the old school of
production.. my family worked in it for years and they would all laugh
when folks read the labels.. it's like "sorry, i ain't eating that shit i
help push to the public..."


they sometimes would eat their own product and grouce.. wondering how people
can stand to put that shit down their throats.

your science says one thing.. production basics say another.

i ain't touching anymore... gerd was my best friend once.. now it can
**** another.

and that's what you're told... i'm sticking with the fresh produce
though that has elements in it also.... fertilizers, addtives in the soils
to make it better, last longer and take transport.. but it doesn't bother my
digestive tract as much.

everything processed is questionable.

i can't see how there can be official vegans... i just call myself that
because it's easier to describe the diet in short without confusing the hell
out of everyone.


"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> higher elvisarchy wrote:
>>
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> > ingredient necessary for thickening. If you have a
>> > reaction to MSG, you recognize "modified food starch"
>> > as another name for this excitotoxin. Food starch?

>
> Baloney! You've confused "modified food starch"
> with "hydrolyzed vegetable protein" or something
> like that. Hydrolyzed protein is protein that has
> been broken down into amino acids, and one of those
> amino acids is glutamic acid, which becomes glutamate
> when alkaline. Hydrolyzed protein is used as an
> MSG substitute, either for cost reasons or to avoid
> indicating MSG on the label.
>
> Starch can be hydrolyzed, but that converts it into
> sugars, not amino acids.
>
> Modified starch is not completely hydrolyzed to
> sugars. It is modified to control its chain length,
> to adjust its thickening properties.



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On May 20, 9:06*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> higher elvisarchy wrote:
>
> > "Ron" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > > ingredient necessary for thickening. If you have a
> > > reaction to MSG, you recognize "modified food starch"
> > > as another name for this excitotoxin. Food starch?

>
> Baloney! *You've confused "modified food starch"
> with "hydrolyzed vegetable protein" or something
> like that. *Hydrolyzed protein is protein that has
> been broken down into amino acids, and one of those
> amino acids is glutamic acid, which becomes glutamate
> when alkaline. *Hydrolyzed protein is used as an
> MSG substitute, either for cost reasons or to avoid
> indicating MSG on the label.
>
> Starch can be hydrolyzed, but that converts it into
> sugars, not amino acids.
>
> Modified starch is not completely hydrolyzed to
> sugars. *It is modified to control its chain length,
> to adjust its thickening properties.


I agree with Mark on this one.
Though I'd prefer a whole fat milk yogurt instead.

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