Hey everyone,

I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining the vegan
diet. I have cravings for meat! What do you do to overcome these
cravings?

Thanks,

Mary

wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining the vegan
> diet. I have cravings for meat! What do you do to overcome these
> cravings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary

Why are you following a vegan diet? Are you suffering from cognitive
dissonance?

I would think that if you were doing it for your own 'reasons' then you
would not crave meat.

Perhaps look at these:

http://www.viva.org.uk/video/index.htm

http://www.viva.org.uk/video/nimn.html

Go to the http://www.ajcn.org/ web site and type in "milk cancer" and
read some of the papers...

Gaston wrote:
> wrote:
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining the vegan
>> diet. I have cravings for meat! What do you do to overcome these
>> cravings?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mary
>
> Why are you following a vegan diet? Are you suffering from cognitive
> dissonance?
>
> I would think that if you were doing it for your own 'reasons' then you
> would not crave meat.
>
> Perhaps look at these:
>
> http://www.viva.org.uk/video/index.htm
>
> http://www.viva.org.uk/video/nimn.html
>
> Go to the http://www.ajcn.org/ web site and type in "milk cancer" and
> read some of the papers...
>
>

wrote:
> Gaston wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining the vegan
>>> diet. I have cravings for meat! What do you do to overcome these
>>> cravings?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mary
>>
>> Why are you following a vegan diet? Are you suffering from cognitive
>> dissonance?
>>
>> I would think that if you were doing it for your own 'reasons' then
>> you would not crave meat.
>>
>> Perhaps look at these:
>>
>> http://www.viva.org.uk/video/index.htm
>>
>> http://www.viva.org.uk/video/nimn.html
>>
>> Go to the http://www.ajcn.org/ web site and type in "milk cancer" and
>> read some of the papers...
>>
>>

I think something is missing.....

wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining the vegan
> diet. I have cravings for meat! What do you do to overcome these
> cravings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary

On reflection, I might have seemed a bit 'blunt'. If so I apologise!

A good place to start would be:

http://www.viva.org.uk/goingvegan/index.html

Good luck.

wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining the vegan
> diet. I have cravings for meat! What do you do to overcome these
> cravings?

Eat some meat then. Seriously.
No one diet suits everyone, what is your prime motivation to try a Vegan
diet? Being vegan is fine, but don't let anyone tell you it is the only
legitimate option.

wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining the vegan
> diet. I have cravings for meat! What do you do to overcome these
> cravings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary

Hi Mary,

When these cravings arise, do you find you get involved in telling yourself
a story about it, what you are missing, how it makes you miserable?
anything like that. That is getting involved with them.

You don't do anything to the cravings, just let them be. Watch them come and
they will also go. When they no longer have an emotional effect on you they
will probably fizzle out and stop. Don't feed it and it'll go away.

ned.

I would stock up on some vegan garden burgers, original flavor.
I assume you are just starting out so the burger flavor will get you
through the hard times.
Try them with mustard, lettuce, onion, and tomato. The more you load
them up with veggies the more filling they will be and you get over the
meat taste.
Just don't get caught up in the meaty taste as they are loaded with fat
to get the meat flavor.
Good luck.
Eddie

Mary,

I'm on the vegan diet not because I want to be or care about what
happens to the animals. Truly I don't. But, I am doing it because my
wife does and I love and respect her. That being said, I've been doing
this since November of last year and going cold turkey was very
difficult for me. I started out straight into it and I had quite a few
fallbacks. To be honest, when today ends February will be my first true
meat-free month. I ate meat off and on throughout November-January, but
I am no longer doing it. Do I still crave meat? Sure? The smell of meat
cooking drives me nuts and I'd love to eat it, but I don't out of
respect for my wife's decisions. Health-wise, I'm better off eating
meat, but at the end of the day, I'm not a vegan for the reasons vegans
are vegans. With time the meat cravings will subside and you will be
able to get past them. Old habits die hard, just give it some time.

Justin

wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining the vegan
> diet. I have cravings for meat! What do you do to overcome these
> cravings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary

Correction: better off *not* eating meat. And while I'm at it, should I
have said "cold Tofurky?"

Justin E. Miller wrote:
> Mary,
>
> I'm on the vegan diet not because I want to be or care about what
> happens to the animals. Truly I don't. But, I am doing it because my
> wife does and I love and respect her. That being said, I've been doing
> this since November of last year and going cold turkey was very
> difficult for me. I started out straight into it and I had quite a few
> fallbacks. To be honest, when today ends February will be my first true
> meat-free month. I ate meat off and on throughout November-January, but
> I am no longer doing it. Do I still crave meat? Sure? The smell of meat
> cooking drives me nuts and I'd love to eat it, but I don't out of
> respect for my wife's decisions. Health-wise, I'm better off eating
> meat, but at the end of the day, I'm not a vegan for the reasons vegans
> are vegans. With time the meat cravings will subside and you will be
> able to get past them. Old habits die hard, just give it some time.
>
> Justin
>
> wrote:
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining the vegan
>> diet. I have cravings for meat! What do you do to overcome these
>> cravings?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mary

On Feb 29, 6:05*pm, "Justin E. Miller" <justinmiller87> wrote:
> Mary,
>
> I'm on the vegan diet not because I want to be or care about what
> happens to the animals. Truly I don't. But, I am doing it because my
> wife does and I love and respect her. That being said, I've been doing
> this since November of last year and going cold turkey was very
> difficult for me. I started out straight into it and I had quite a few
> fallbacks. To be honest, when today ends February will be my first true
> meat-free month. I ate meat off and on throughout November-January, but
> I am no longer doing it. Do I still crave meat? Sure? The smell of meat
> cooking drives me nuts and I'd love to eat it, but I don't out of
> respect for my wife's decisions. Health-wise, I'm better off eating
> meat, but at the end of the day, I'm not a vegan for the reasons vegans
> are vegans. With time the meat cravings will subside and you will be
> able to get past them. Old habits die hard, just give it some time.
>
> Justin
>
>
>
> wrote:
> > Hey everyone,
>
> > I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining the vegan
> > diet. I have cravings for meat! What do you do to overcome these
> > cravings?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Mary- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Feb 29, 6:05*pm, "Justin E. Miller" <justinmiller87> wrote:
> Mary,
>
> I'm on the vegan diet not because I want to be or care about what
> happens to the animals. Truly I don't. But, I am doing it because my
> wife does and I love and respect her. That being said, I've been doing
> this since November of last year and going cold turkey was very
> difficult for me. I started out straight into it and I had quite a few
> fallbacks. To be honest, when today ends February will be my first true
> meat-free month. I ate meat off and on throughout November-January, but
> I am no longer doing it. Do I still crave meat? Sure? The smell of meat
> cooking drives me nuts and I'd love to eat it, but I don't out of
> respect for my wife's decisions. Health-wise, I'm better off eating
> meat, but at the end of the day, I'm not a vegan for the reasons vegans
> are vegans. With time the meat cravings will subside and you will be
> able to get past them. Old habits die hard, just give it some time.

You make it sound like meat is an addiciton like drugs or something
and maybe that's the explaination for the cravings but personally I
would be concerned that they could be a warning from your body that
you are lacking some important nutrient(s). You could try eating more
plant sources of fat and protein, and seeing if that helps. Maybe
also
investigate other nutrients associated with meat, like iron, zinc,
selenium and b-vitamins

On Feb 4, 4:27 pm, wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining thevegan
> diet. I have cravings for meat! What do you do to overcome these
> cravings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary

vegan or not, a diet that makes you gain or lose weight (beyond a
healthy body mass index), or causes a loss of energy and libido, is
not for you

these meatatarians... are a hoot!



wanting to be something they can't possibly handle.



> wrote in message
...
> On Feb 4, 4:27 pm, wrote:
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining thevegan
>> diet. I have cravings for meat! What do you do to overcome these
>> cravings?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mary
>
> vegan or not, a diet that makes you gain or lose weight (beyond a
> healthy body mass index), or causes a loss of energy and libido, is
> not for you
>

>>> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time
>>> maintaining the vegan diet. I have cravings for meat!
>>> What do you do to overcome these cravings?
Such "cravings" are the result of taste habituation, so
make your vegan choices taste like burnt flesh.
"Meat' does not have any taste, the familiar taste of
burnt flesh is the sole result of Maillard Reaction Products.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction
So, simulate that familiar taste by using fermented soy
products: soy sauce, dark miso, and other condiments common
to flesh dishes: garlic, orion, hot pepper, ...
Easy?

Laurie

--
Scientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets:
http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html
news:alt.food.vegan.science

like i said... you're either built for it or not.


don't be something you can't handle... just because someone like me or
another you may know feels good, looks good and their health is much
improved.. by vegan appropriations.. doesn't mean it'll work for you.


if you get sick... you gotta stop.

sorry.



either that or you're not eating properly... with any diet of chosing... if
you don't eat it well balanced.... you're not going to get the most out of
it.

meat is meat.. full of hormones.. chemicals.. like most processed vegan
products... so thus you'd think there'd be no difference... but there is.

one just has lesser cholesterol than the other and one tastes like sour
chemicals the other tastes like corregated cardboard with chemicals.

you want meat? eat it...

habits can be broken in 14 days.. problem is will your mind let it go.


"Laurie" > wrote in message
abs...
>
>>>> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time maintaining the vegan
>>>> diet. I have cravings for meat!
>>>> What do you do to overcome these cravings?
> Such "cravings" are the result of taste habituation, so
> make your vegan choices taste like burnt flesh.
> "Meat' does not have any taste, the familiar taste of
> burnt flesh is the sole result of Maillard Reaction Products.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction
> So, simulate that familiar taste by using fermented soy
> products: soy sauce, dark miso, and other condiments common
> to flesh dishes: garlic, orion, hot pepper, ...
> Easy?
>
> Laurie
>
> --
> Scientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets:
> http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html
> news:alt.food.vegan.science

sumbeotch at scumbum dot *** wrote:
> like i said... you're either built for it or not.
Correct!! However, there is NO credible scientific
evidence that humans are "designed" to consume animal flesh.
NONE!.
http://ecologos.org/anatomy.htm
http://ecologos.org/omni.htm
http://ecologos.org/chimphunt.htm
http://ecologos.org/pix/primatediets.gif

Further, there is unavoidable evidence that shows that
consuming animal protein and animal fat are THE causes of
currently-popular Western "degenerative diseases".
TCCampbell; The China Study
http://tinyurl.com/2v689m
http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html#meat

This is the reason that the meatarian propagandists here
are uncivil and only are here to disrupt meaningful
conversions among sincere people.
Read the cortisol section:
http://www.ecologos.org/anxiety.htm

Action speaks louder than words; watch what they do.

A prophesy: some mindless meatarian propagandists here will:
1> issue floods of personal insults, name-calling, vulgarity,
2> make all sorts of pseudo-scientific nonsense using
scientific words, trying to sound credible,
3> NEVER try to refute ANYthing I say with facts and logic,
in a polite manner,
4> NEVER supply one scientifically-credible support for
their claims when challenged to do so, ...
5> NEVER engage in polite academic exchange, ...

> ... don't be something you can't handle...
Why do disease statistics prove that NO one can "handle"
animal products?

> ... doesn't mean it'll work for you


Are you REALLY claiming that different humans have
radically different digestive biochemistry? How about some
real science to back that up?

> ... you don't eat it well balanced....
http://ecologos.org/balance.htm

>>>>> I'm new to this forum and I'm having a hard time
>>>>> maintaining the vegan diet. I have cravings for
>>>>> meat! What do you do to overcome these cravings?
You will notice that there was NO relation to the
conversation, just "I like it" propaganda. I responded with
some applied biochemistry to help the original poster.

Laurie
--
Scientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets:
http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html
news:alt.food.vegan.science

On 15 May, 21:51, Laurie > wrote:

[snip]

> "Meat' does not have any taste, the familiar taste of
> burnt flesh is the sole result of Maillard Reaction

Maybe you have no tastebuds or have ever tried carpaccio or steak
Tartare, but let me assure you raw meat DOES have flavour - and quite
a pleasant one at that. Of course, you need the very best quality
organic meat for that.

Dragonblaze

- Who has ever heard of vegan _dragons_? -

Dragonblaze wrote:
> On 15 May, 21:51, Laurie > wrote:
>> "Meat' does not have any taste, the familiar taste of
>> burnt flesh is the sole result of Maillard Reaction

> ... carpaccio ...
"Typically the thin slices are served with a dressing of
olive oil and lemon juice plus seasoning, often with green
salad leaves such as rocket, arugula or radicchio and thinly
sliced Parmesan cheese."
Clearly, the 'dressing' is used to provide some taste; but
one does not need dressings on fruits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpaccio

> .. or steak Tartare, ...
"Tartare can also be made by thinly slicing a high grade of
meat such as strip steak, marinating it in wine or other
spirits and spiced to taste, and then chilled. It is often
served with onions, capers and seasonings (the latter
typically incorporating fresh ground pepper and
Worcestershire sauce), and sometimes with a raw egg, and
usually served on rye bread."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak_tartare

Notice that wines and spices are used to provide the taste.
IF flesh is so tasty, why do its eaters use so much spices
and flavorings -- to disguise its grizzly origins?

> but let me assure you raw meat DOES have flavour - and
> quite a pleasant one at that.
Then, WHY are spices and marinades used? I don't have to
put spices on my mango just to be able to eat it.
Your assurances have been demonstrated to be unfounded in fact.

Laurie
--
Scientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets:
http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html
news:alt.food.vegan.science