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http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26
FBI seeks suspect in East Bay bombings Officials search home in Sonoma County Stacy Finz, Jaxon Van Derbeken, Pamela J. Podger, Chronicle Staff Writers Friday, October 10, 2003 A clean-cut, soft-spoken 25-year-old Sonoma County man, who was trying to invent a vegan marshmallow, is being hunted by federal agents on charges that he bombed two Bay Area companies in the name of animal rights. Agents from the FBI and the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives identified the man Thursday as Daniel Andreas San Diego, son of a prominent city official in Marin County. An all-points bulletin lists him as being armed and dangerous. A no-bail arrest warrant accuses San Diego of planting explosives on Aug. 28 at Chiron Corp, a biotechnology company in Emeryville, and at Shaklee Corp., a Pleasanton firm that makes health, beauty and household products, less than a month later. No one was hurt in either blast. Huntingdon Life Sciences, a research firm that uses animals for testing and is particularly hated by activists, is a common denominator between Shaklee and Chiron. Shaklee's parent company, Yamanouchi Consumer Inc., and Chiron have done business with Huntingdon. Shortly after both bombings, a group calling itself Revolutionary Cells claimed responsibility for the blasts in anonymous e-mails. Authorities are not saying whether they believe San Diego wrote the notes. The key break in the case came when ATF agents discovered that a Pleasanton police officer had pulled San Diego over for a traffic violation in the business park where Shaklee is located. That traffic stop happened an hour before the predawn blast on Sept. 26. Pleasanton police Lt. Dave Spiller called it good old-fashioned police work. Authorities acknowledge that the traffic stop led them to San Diego and say physical evidence links him to the bombings. They would not divulge what that evidence is. San Diego's parents urged their son Thursday to surrender to authorities. In a written statement, San Diego's father, Ed, who is the city manager of Belvedere, expressed support for his son. "Andreas is a very bright and sensitive young man who would refuse to harm anybody or any living thing," he wrote. "We are very saddened about today's developments . . . and were utterly surprised when approached by the authorities regarding the warrant for his arrest." Belvedere police Chief John Lundquist said Ed San Diego had told him to be on the lookout for his son. "He told me if Andreas comes around, we are to take appropriate action," said Lundquist, adding that the son had been involved in animal rights protests in San Francisco. "His dad had mentioned it." "He's a very polite young man," the chief said. "This is pretty surprising, actually." A string of messages posted to an Internet bulletin board suggests that San Diego had strong ties to the animal rights movement and supported the work of Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty USA, or SHAC. The group is dedicated to putting Huntingdon out of business and advocates damaging property and economic sabotage to forward its cause. "I think SHAC is having some more national demos coming up, and national demos are always good," said a message using San Diego's name that was posted on Feb. 14, 2001. SHAC representatives say they don't know San Diego and have had no contact with him. On its Web site, the group criticized the FBI, saying that it routinely named the wrong people in these cases. "The FBI couldn't catch a cold, let alone an underground liberation activist," a member for the group wrote. FBI Agent LaRae Quy, a spokeswoman for the bureau's Northern California office, said investigators had information that San Diego is linked to animal rights groups. "But that is not why we are issuing the arrest warrant," she said, alleging that there is strong and solid information connecting San Diego to the bombings. "We believe there is a likelihood that other people were involved in this," Quy said. But no other arrest warrant has been issued. The FBI has been watching San Diego for some time, authorities said. Agents told Sonoma County sheriff's detectives last Friday that they were surveilling San Diego at his rental house in Schellville, a tiny rural community four miles south of the town of Sonoma. A complaint was filed in U.S. District Court two days later charging San Diego with maliciously damaging and destroying property and buildings with explosives. Documents supporting the arrest warrant were filed under seal. Quy said agents had lost track of San Diego last weekend. On Wednesday, agents searched his two-story home on Acacia Lane. Neighbors said they had watched as investigators, wearing hazardous material suits, went in and out of the house. Myles McMonigle, who lives close by, said it appeared that the agents had been looking for residues and chemicals that could be used in bombs. McMonigle said an FBI agent had asked him if he had any new PVC pipe, which he didn't. Norman Gilroy said he had rented the house to San Diego in June. The organic farmer, who lives in a house behind the 25-year-old, said San Diego appeared to be a law-abiding, "extremely poised man." "The last thing I would picture him as is a bomber," Gilroy said. "He is a very nice young man -- a well-spoken intellectual." Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling animal tissue in water. Other neighbors said San Diego did not appear to have a full-time job and received unemployment checks in the mail. They said he would sometimes go off for days at a time. Chronicle staff writer Matthew B. Stannard contributed to this report. / E-mail Stacy Finz at . |
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Goddess of Groundhogs wrote:
> Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed > : at the world. > > >>http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 >> > > <snip> > > >>Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a >>marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling >>animal tissue in water. > > > > I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored gelatin > on my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. > *sigh* > And marshmallows are off the list, too, now. It never ceases to amaze me how you people think you have things all figured out, yet are so appallingly ignorant of some basics. |
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Jonathan Ball > wrote: > Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: > > > Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed > > : at the world. > > > > > >>http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 > >> > > > > <snip> > > > > > >>Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a > >>marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling > >>animal tissue in water. > > > > > > > > I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored gelatin > > on my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. > > *sigh* > > And marshmallows are off the list, too, now. > > It never ceases to amaze me how you people think you > have things all figured out, yet are so appallingly > ignorant of some basics. It never ceases to amaze me that individuals AT LEAST as ignorant as the rest of us speaks of our shared ignorances in terms of "you people" as though you're not also a human being & therefore, by the nature of the species, pretty much a dumbass. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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paghat wrote:
> In article . net>, > Jonathan Ball > wrote: > > >>Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: >> >> >>>Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed : at the world. >>> >>> >>> >>>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 >>>> >>> >>><snip> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a >>>>marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling >>>>animal tissue in water. >>> >>> >>> >>>I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored gelatin >>>on my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. >>>*sigh* >>>And marshmallows are off the list, too, now. >> >>It never ceases to amaze me how you people think you >>have things all figured out, yet are so appallingly >>ignorant of some basics. > > > > It never ceases to amaze me that individuals AT LEAST as ignorant as the > rest of us If you are a "vegan", you are by definition more ignorant than average. > speaks of our shared ignorances Oh, no you don't. Nothing shared about it. I don't share the appalling special ignorance of "vegans" at all, and I am willing to bet I'm far less ignorant than them on more general matters. > in terms of "you people" as > though you're not also a human being Most human beings are not "vegans", thankfully. > & therefore, by the nature of the > species, pretty much a dumbass. > > -paghat the ratgirl I remember you. You took a few dumps in a.a.e.v. and/or t.p.a. a few years back. I went to visit your web page once. What a miasma of self absorption. You got everything completely wrong with that silly rant about garden tools, which I knew you would as soon as I saw your snotty elitist whine about tools having orange handles. |
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Goddess of Groundhogs wrote:
> Jonathan Ball poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed > ink.net: at the > world. > > >>Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: >> >> >>>Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed : at the world. >>> >>> >>> >>>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 >>>> >>> >>><snip> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing > > a > >>>>marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling >>>>animal tissue in water. >>> >>> >>> >>>I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored > > gelatin > >>>on my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. >>>*sigh* >>>And marshmallows are off the list, too, now. >> >>It never ceases to amaze me how you people think you >>have things all figured out, yet are so appallingly >>ignorant of some basics. > > > Well, would you care to enlighten me, mr Ball? Sure; you bet; goddamned glad to be of assistance. > In other words, what are you talking about? I'm talking about quite a few things, actually. First is your astonishing ignorance of ingredients. I am not vegetarian at all (it's a completely unnatural diet for the overwhelming majority of humans), and I've known since I was a small child that gelatin came from animals. You claim to be some kind of vegetarian - I'll bet the ranch your vegetarianism is based on ethics, not health, so you might as well be "vegan" - but you don't know one of the more basic vegetarian factlettes. Second, your ethical/spiritual vegetarianism is a total lie. You are lying to yourself if you think not consuming any animal parts means you are leading a "cruelty free" life. Animals are slaughtered with abandon in order to supply the foods you eat. Third, somewhat related to the second, you are engaging in what I have labeled the Irrational Search for Micrograms of Animal Parts conducted by all goofy "vegans", and usually abbreviated to the Search for Micrograms. It is the fatuous and bogus belief that you can attain some kind of ethical purity by looking for and extirpating the last microgram of animal parts from your diet. It is akin to the biblical story about the person looking for the mote in his neighbor's eye while ignoring the beam in his own. That is, it is about massive and disgusting hypocrisy. Ethical vegetarianism is pure sanctimonious hypocrisy. |
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Yer such a whoreson.
"Maxie P. Diddly" > wrote in message ... > http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 <snip boring meaningless chyve shite> |
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http://makeashorterlink.com/?J27C52E26
Bombing suspect's parents retain S.F. attorney Belvedere city manager urges son to surrender Stacy Finz, Jaxon Van Derbeken, Pamela J. Podger, Chronicle Staff Writers Saturday, October 11, 2003 The parents of a 25-year-old animal rights activist wanted on suspicion of bombing two Bay Area businesses have contacted a prominent San Francisco attorney in hopes of persuading their son to surrender to charges that, if proved, could put him in prison for up to 30 years. The family of Daniel Andreas San Diego of Schellville in Sonoma County issued an appeal Friday urging him to contact attorney Jim Collins and surrender immediately to federal authorities. Collins is a criminal defense attorney who has been involved in a number of high-profile cases, most recently one involving three off-duty San Francisco police officers accused of assaulting two men on Union Street when they refused to hand over a take-home bag of fajitas. FBI agents said Friday they were concentrating their search in the Bay Area for San Diego, who is listed in an all-points bulletin as being armed and dangerous. A no-bail arrest warrant accuses him of detonating two pipe bombs on Aug. 28 at Chiron Corp., a biotechnology company in Emeryville, and exploding another bomb on Sept. 26 at Shaklee Inc., a Pleasanton firm that makes health, beauty and household products. No one was hurt in either blast. An animal rights group calling itself Revolutionary Cells claimed responsibility for the blasts in anonymous e-mails and said the two companies were targeted because of their ties to Huntingdon Life Sciences. The New Jersey company conducts drug and chemical experiments on animals for other firms, including Shaklee's parent company, Yamanouchi Consumer Inc., and Chiron. Agents from the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives later discovered that Pleasanton police had stopped San Diego for a traffic violation near the Shaklee offices an hour before the predawn blast. The FBI has physical evidence linking San Diego to all three bombings but has refused to say what it is. "We're hoping he is still in the Bay Area, so he can hear the appeal by his parents and his friends," said FBI Agent LaRae Quy, a spokesperson for the Northern California office. "He needs to end this before he enters into a lifetime of being a federal fugitive." Authorities said San Diego, if convicted, faces up to 10 years in prison on each of the three bombing charges -- or a maximum of 30 years. The suspect's father, Edmund San Diego, is the city manager of the wealthy Marin County town of the Belvedere. In a statement e-mailed to The Chronicle, Edmund San Diego and his wife, Heike, asked their son to contact Collins to pave the way for his surrender. "We continue to be bewildered by the situation as it unfolds and still know little more than what we read or see in the press," the couple said. "Our position in urging our son to surrender to the authorities without incident as soon as possible remains unchanged," they said. "We only desire to have this matter properly addressed as soon as possible without anyone feeling threatened or worse happening." In a telephone interview Friday evening, Collins said, "I've been retained by the parents, and I'm acting only as a facilitator. At this point, I've not had contact with him." He said the family has yet to arrange with him to be San Diego's defense attorney. The suspect worked for two years at In Defense of Animals, a nonprofit in Mill Valley, when he was about 19 years old, said group founder Elliot Katz, a veterinarian. "He was a very gentle human being who cared very deeply about animals," Katz said. "He seemed like he was totally nonviolent. He wouldn't hurt a fly, let alone a human being." Katz said he was alarmed that San Diego was "packaged" as a dangerous person and was fearful for his safety, as well as skeptical that the federal authorities had pinpointed the right man. "We all know of instances where the FBI has picked the wrong person, and it is a frightening situation," Katz said. "I don't have a great deal of trust in the decisions they make." Danielle Matthews, a spokesperson at Stop Huntington Animal Cruelty in New Jersey, cast aspersions on the FBI probe, while distancing her group from San Diego. "We've never heard of him, and those East Bay bombings were carried out anonymously. Other than their repeated failings in the past, we don't have any indication that the FBI are more on target this time." But the FBI's Quy alleged that there was solid information connecting San Diego to the bombing, adding that several other people may be involved. No other arrest warrants have been issued, she said Friday. Quy said agents were surveilling San Diego last week but lost track of him over the weekend. On Wednesday, agents searched his two-story home on Acacia Lane in Schellville. E-mail the authors at , and . ©2003 San Francisco Chronicle |
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On 10 Oct 2003 19:40:20 GMT, Goddess of Groundhogs
> wrote: > Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed > : at the world. > > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 > > > <snip> > > > Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a > > marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling > > animal tissue in water. > > > I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored gelatin > on my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. > *sigh* > And marshmallows are off the list, too, now. I was under the impression that vegan marshmallows have already been made, and are on the way to market. -- "Given for one instant an intelligence which could comprehend all the forces by which nature is animated and the respective positions of the things which compose it...nothing would be uncertain, and the future as the past would be laid out before its eyes." - Pierre Simon de Laplace |
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Maxie P. Diddly wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2003 19:40:20 GMT, Goddess of Groundhogs > > wrote: > > >>Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed : at the world. >> >> >>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 >>> >> >><snip> >> >> >>>Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a >>>marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling >>>animal tissue in water. >> >> >>I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored gelatin >>on my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. >>*sigh* >>And marshmallows are off the list, too, now. > > > I was under the impression that vegan marshmallows have already been > made, and are on the way to market. A few years ago, I checked out the ingredients of marshmallows, and had a reply from a few of the manufactures as to where the gelatin comes from. In canada and the united states, the gelatin comes from pig skin. It is so refined from its natural state, that Rabbi's actually certify it as kosher. I also learned that in the shipping industry, there are Rabbi's that actually deem transportation as safe for kosher foods (ie cargo bins etc, never having touched certain other things). |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:45:23 GMT, Hy > wrote:
> Maxie P. Diddly wrote: > > On 10 Oct 2003 19:40:20 GMT, Goddess of Groundhogs > > > wrote: > > > > > >>Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed > : at the world. > >> > >> > >>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 > >>> > >> > >><snip> > >> > >> > >>>Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a > >>>marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling > >>>animal tissue in water. > >> > >> > >>I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored gelatin > >>on my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. > >>*sigh* > >>And marshmallows are off the list, too, now. > > > > > > I was under the impression that vegan marshmallows have already been > > made, and are on the way to market. > > A few years ago, I checked out the ingredients of marshmallows, and had > a reply from a few of the manufactures as to where the gelatin comes > from. In canada and the united states, the gelatin comes from pig skin. > It is so refined from its natural state, that Rabbi's actually certify > it as kosher. > > I also learned that in the shipping industry, there are Rabbi's that > actually deem transportation as safe for kosher foods (ie cargo bins > etc, never having touched certain other things). Try this link: http://www.veganstore.com/marshmallows.html -- "Given for one instant an intelligence which could comprehend all the forces by which nature is animated and the respective positions of the things which compose it...nothing would be uncertain, and the future as the past would be laid out before its eyes." - Pierre Simon de Laplace |
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Maxie P. Diddly wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:45:23 GMT, Hy > wrote: > > >>Maxie P. Diddly wrote: >> >>>On 10 Oct 2003 19:40:20 GMT, Goddess of Groundhogs > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed : at the world. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 >>>>> >>>> >>>><snip> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a >>>>>marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling >>>>>animal tissue in water. >>>> >>>> >>>>I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored gelatin >>>>on my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. >>>>*sigh* >>>>And marshmallows are off the list, too, now. >>> >>> >>>I was under the impression that vegan marshmallows have already been >>>made, and are on the way to market. >> >>A few years ago, I checked out the ingredients of marshmallows, and had >>a reply from a few of the manufactures as to where the gelatin comes >>from. In canada and the united states, the gelatin comes from pig skin. >>It is so refined from its natural state, that Rabbi's actually certify >>it as kosher. >> >>I also learned that in the shipping industry, there are Rabbi's that >>actually deem transportation as safe for kosher foods (ie cargo bins >>etc, never having touched certain other things). > > > Try this link: > http://www.veganstore.com/marshmallows.html Cool, so when you see them, get them and please tell me how they taste. ![]() |
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Why couldn't you use agar?
Zsarnok Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: > Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed > : at the world. > > >>http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 >> > > <snip> > > >>Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a >>marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling >>animal tissue in water. > > > > I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored gelatin > on my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. > *sigh* > And marshmallows are off the list, too, now. > |
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Marshmellows are a basic?
Zsarnok Jonathan Ball wrote: > Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: > >> Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed >> : at the world. >> >>> http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 >>> >> >> <snip> >> >> >>> Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a >>> marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling >>> animal tissue in water. >> >> >> >> >> I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored gelatin on >> my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. *sigh* And >> marshmallows are off the list, too, now. > > > It never ceases to amaze me how you people think you have things all > figured out, yet are so appallingly ignorant of some basics. > |
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Gelatin/thickener from red algea. You might be able to get it in bulk
from somewhere. Otherwise it's in health food stores, which is expensive. Zsarnok Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: > Zsarnok poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed news:ZHmib.42288 > : at the world. > > >>Why couldn't you use agar? > > > Cuz I don't know what it is. ![]() > > > > >>Zsarnok >> >>Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: >> >> >>>Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed : at the world. >>> >>> >>> >>>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 >>>> >>> >>><snip> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a >>>>marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling >>>>animal tissue in water. >>> >>> >>> >>>I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored gelatin >>>on my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. >>>*sigh* >>>And marshmallows are off the list, too, now. >>> >> > > > |
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We used to have horses and used the manure to enrich a garden. We
dropped in the seeds, watered regularly and couldn't keep up with a 10x12 little patch! If you can cart some away one or twice a year from a stable, you may need nothing else. And it only costs time -- and a truck wash. ![]() Zsarnok Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: > Zsarnok poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed > hlink.net: at the world. > > >>Gelatin/thickener from red algea. You might be able to get it in bulk >>from somewhere. Otherwise it's in health food stores, which is >>expensive. > > > All I use gelatin for is plant food. It makes a plant grow like crazy. > Maybe the red algae would work, but as you say, it's expensive. I'm not > spending a lotta money on plant food. > > > >>Zsarnok >> >>Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: >> >> >>>Zsarnok poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed >>>news:ZHmib.42288 : at the >>>world. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Why couldn't you use agar? >>> >>> >>>Cuz I don't know what it is. ![]() >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Zsarnok >>>> >>>>Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed : at the world. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>><snip> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a >>>>>>marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling >>>>>>animal tissue in water. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored gelatin >>>>>on my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. >>>>>*sigh* >>>>>And marshmallows are off the list, too, now. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > |
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> We used to have horses and used the manure to enrich a garden. We
> dropped in the seeds, watered regularly and couldn't keep up with a > 10x12 little patch! If you can cart some away one or twice a year from > a stable, you may need nothing else. And it only costs time -- and a > truck wash. ![]() > Careful...you need to let it sit and age, at least a bit, like a good merlot (g). Main issue of aging and regularly spading manure before using it for fertilizer is that horses eat (shock!) hay, grass, etc. even weeds. These species (as with some wild flora that depend on deer to do the same thing) have developed seeds that remain viable after passing through Dobbin's intestines. Some species (I forget which) depend on it, and their seeds won't germinate UNLESS they have been softened up by the digestive juices. So fresh horse manure can introduce a high weed population to your garden. Hence the bucolic custom of the manure pile. But still, yes, bravo. Horseshit - it's not just for usenet any more! Paul |
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![]() Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: > Zsarnok poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed > .net: at the world. > > That's excellent for outdoors!! Yea, nothing works like some horse manure > outside. Problem is... my plants are indoors. No horse shit on them!! > heheh The Knox works great, really. If it has boiled down animal > renderings in it, well, I doubt the plants will mind too much. > Oooohhhh! Yeah, that's a different thing. Course, if you keep a pile outdoors and compost, it loses the aroma after a year or so. But there is an ick factor in handling it I suppose. > >>We used to have horses and used the manure to enrich a garden. We >>dropped in the seeds, watered regularly and couldn't keep up with a >>10x12 little patch! If you can cart some away one or twice a year from >>a stable, you may need nothing else. And it only costs time -- and a >>truck wash. ![]() >> >>Zsarnok >> >>Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: >> >> >>>Zsarnok poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed arthlink.net: at the >>>world. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Gelatin/thickener from red algea. You might be able to get it in bulk >>> >>>>from somewhere. Otherwise it's in health food stores, which is >>> >>>>expensive. >>> >>> >>>All I use gelatin for is plant food. It makes a plant grow like crazy. >>>Maybe the red algae would work, but as you say, it's expensive. I'm not >>>spending a lotta money on plant food. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Zsarnok >>>> >>>>Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Zsarnok poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed >>>>>news:ZHmib.42288 : at the >>>>>world. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Why couldn't you use agar? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Cuz I don't know what it is. ![]() >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Zsarnok >>>>>> >>>>>>Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Maxie P. Diddly poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed : at the world. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27666C26 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>><snip> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Gilroy said San Diego was a vegan who was working on developing a >>>>>>>>marshmallow made without gelatin. Gelatin is made by boiling >>>>>>>>animal tissue in water. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm not a vegan. Just a vegetarian. I use Knox unflavored gelatin >>>>>>>on my plants for an organic fertilizer. Now I see this. >>>>>>>*sigh* >>>>>>>And marshmallows are off the list, too, now. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> > > > |
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Paul Hume wrote:
>>We used to have horses and used the manure to enrich a garden. We >>dropped in the seeds, watered regularly and couldn't keep up with a >>10x12 little patch! If you can cart some away one or twice a year from >>a stable, you may need nothing else. And it only costs time -- and a >>truck wash. ![]() >> > Careful...you need to let it sit and age, at least a bit, like a good > merlot (g). Main issue of aging and regularly spading manure before > using it for fertilizer is that horses eat (shock!) hay, grass, etc. > even weeds. These species (as with some wild flora that depend on deer > to do the same thing) have developed seeds that remain viable after > passing through Dobbin's intestines. Some species (I forget which) > depend on it, and their seeds won't germinate UNLESS they have been > softened up by the digestive juices. > > So fresh horse manure can introduce a high weed population to your > garden. Hence the bucolic custom of the manure pile. > > But still, yes, bravo. Horseshit - it's not just for usenet any more! > > Paul True. We had the horses for quite a while before the garden. So the pile was a good mix of a bit of fresh on top to already composted dirt on the bottom. Then we tilled it in. Almost no weeds at all. Which is good, because you can't get topsoil without having weed seeds in it. Of course this is Michigan, so even where it is sandy, just spit out the seed and watch the plant grow. Zsarnok |
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Goddess of Groundhogs wrote:
> Zsarnok poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed > hlink.net: at the world. > > >> >>Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: > > >>>That's excellent for outdoors!! Yea, nothing works like some horse >>>manure outside. Problem is... my plants are indoors. No horse shit on >>>them!! heheh The Knox works great, really. If it has boiled down animal >>>renderings in it, well, I doubt the plants will mind too much. >>> >> >>Oooohhhh! Yeah, that's a different thing. Course, if you keep a pile >>outdoors and compost, it loses the aroma after a year or so. But there >>is an ick factor in handling it I suppose. > > > Getting dirty never bothered me. Honest. I'll jump in and sling manure > with the rest. But! I think my landlord might have a problem with an > aromatic pile of horseshit outside -no matter how cured it is. LOL!! > Big compost makes for distant neighbors .... Zsarnok |
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