Ipse dixit wrote:

> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:13:33 GMT, Bill > wrote:
>
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>>Derek wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Bill/Jonathan Ball/etc. etc." > wrote in message .net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Derek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Bill/Jonathan Ball/etc. etc." > wrote in message . net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Which "vegans" here on usenet have done *anything*
>>>>>>concrete to stop killing them? None.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which vegans here on Usenet have done *anything*
>>>>>concrete to start killing them? None.
>>>>
>>>>All of them
>>>
>>>
>>>False.
>>
>>No, true.
>>
>
> How do you intend prove this assumption to anyone's satisfaction.

It's been done, hundreds of times. Search for it.

> Repeating your claim ad nauseam only proves that your claim has
> no factual basis.

Non sequitur.

>
>
>>>Vegans are not the cause of animal or human
>>>collateral deaths in agriculture.
>>
>>"vegans" are morally complicit in the collateral deaths
>>of animals, if there is anything wrong with it at all.
>
>
> There isn't, morally speaking, so why pretend there is?

"vegans" claim there is.

>
>
>> You don't need to trade with the farmer; you choose
>>to do so, rewarding him each and every time.
>>
>
> For what do vegans reward farmers: their produce or the intentional
> deaths often cause by them while producing it?

All of it. The collateral deaths are morally
indivisible from the food, GIVEN that "vegans", at
least those who have spent any time here, know about them.

>
>
>>This is not in honest dispute.