On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:48:11 -0500, "rick etter" > wrote:
>
>"Ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:24:29 -0500, "rick etter" >wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >Under pressure from ranchers, the U.S. government exterminates
>> >> >> >tens of thousands of predator and "nuisance" animals each year.
>> >> >> >In 1989, a partial list of animals killed by the U.S. Department of
>> >> >> >Agriculture's Animal Damage Control Program included 86,502
>> >> >> >coyotes, 7,158 foxes, 236 black bears, 1,220 bobcats and 80
>> >> >> >wolves. In 1988, 4.6 million birds, 9,000 beavers, 76,000 coyotes,
>> >> >> >5,000 raccoons, 300 black bears, and 200 mountain lions, among
>> >> >> >others, were killed. Some 400 pet dogs and 100 cats were also
>> >> >> >inadvertently killed. Extermination methods used include poisoning,
>> >> >> >shooting, gassing, and burning animals in their dens.
>> >> >> >======================
>> >> >> >ROTFLMAO And the majority of those are killed to protect crops
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ah, but it does give numbers proving grass fed beef accrues
>> >> >> collateral deaths, so why do you ignore them, hypocrite?
>> >> >======================
>> >> >Nope.
>> >>
>> >> You do ignore them, and that's a fact, liar.
>> >======================
>> >Nope.
>>
>> Yep. They do exist.
>=================
>Nope.

So, though you insist collateral deaths exist in crop production,
you also deny they exist in grass fed beef production. Thanks
for such an excellent example of a meatarian's state of denial.

"Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:48:11 -0500, "rick etter" >
wrote:
> >
> >"Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
...
> >> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:24:29 -0500, "rick etter"
>wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> >Under pressure from ranchers, the U.S. government exterminates
> >> >> >> >tens of thousands of predator and "nuisance" animals each year.
> >> >> >> >In 1989, a partial list of animals killed by the U.S. Department
of
> >> >> >> >Agriculture's Animal Damage Control Program included 86,502
> >> >> >> >coyotes, 7,158 foxes, 236 black bears, 1,220 bobcats and 80
> >> >> >> >wolves. In 1988, 4.6 million birds, 9,000 beavers, 76,000
coyotes,
> >> >> >> >5,000 raccoons, 300 black bears, and 200 mountain lions, among
> >> >> >> >others, were killed. Some 400 pet dogs and 100 cats were also
> >> >> >> >inadvertently killed. Extermination methods used include
poisoning,
> >> >> >> >shooting, gassing, and burning animals in their dens.
> >> >> >> >======================
> >> >> >> >ROTFLMAO And the majority of those are killed to protect crops
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ah, but it does give numbers proving grass fed beef accrues
> >> >> >> collateral deaths, so why do you ignore them, hypocrite?
> >> >> >======================
> >> >> >Nope.
> >> >>
> >> >> You do ignore them, and that's a fact, liar.
> >> >======================
> >> >Nope.
> >>
> >> Yep. They do exist.
> >=================
> >Nope.
>
> So, though you insist collateral deaths exist in crop production,
> you also deny they exist in grass fed beef production. Thanks
> for such an excellent example of a meatarian's state of denial.
======================
Nope. The meat I eat gets none of those 'benefits' vfrom the gov. Too bad
for you, eh killer?

The denial is all yours, killer.

You too could choose a, in your ignorant words, 'more ethical diet', but you
won't because you are too stupid, and too lazy.

Animals are just the tool of your hatred of those that have what you don't,
and nmever will, a real life. Not the drug induced delusions you live with.

Now, go have that nice blood-drenched lunch, hypocrite...

"rick etter" > wrote in message ...
> "Ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:48:11 -0500, "rick etter" > wrote:
> > >"Ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> > >> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:24:29 -0500, "rick etter" >wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >> >> >Under pressure from ranchers, the U.S.
> > >> >> >> >government exterminates tens of thousands
> > >> >> >> >of predator and "nuisance" animals each year.
> > >> >> >> >In 1989, a partial list of animals killed by the
> > >> >> >> >U.S. Department of Agriculture's Animal
> > >> >> >> >Damage Control Program included 86,502
> > >> >> >> >coyotes, 7,158 foxes, 236 black bears,
> > >> >> >> >1,220 bobcats and 80 wolves. In 1988, 4.6
> > >> >> >> >million birds, 9,000 beavers, 76,000 coyotes,
> > >> >> >> >5,000 raccoons, 300 black bears, and 200
> > >> >> >> >mountain lions, among others, were killed.
> > >> >> >> >Some 400 pet dogs and 100 cats were also
> > >> >> >> >inadvertently killed. Extermination methods
> > >> >> >> >used include poisoning, shooting, gassing, and
> > >> >> >> >burning animals in their dens.
> > >> >> >> >======================
> > >> >> >>ROTFLMAO And the majority of those are
> > >> >> >>killed to protect crops
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> > Ah, but it does give numbers proving grass fed
> > >> >> > beef accrues collateral deaths, so why do you
> > >> >> >ignore them, hypocrite?
> > >> >> >======================
> > >> >> >Nope.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> You do ignore them, and that's a fact, liar.
> > >> >======================
> > >> >Nope.
> > >>
> > >> Yep. They do exist.
> > >=================
> > >Nope.
> >
> > So, though you insist collateral deaths exist in crop production,
> > you also deny they exist in grass fed beef production. Thanks
> > for such an excellent example of a meatarian's state of denial.
> ======================
> Nope.

Then it is you rather than the vegan who's living
in sanctimonious denial, Rick. You deny the CD
associated with your diet while whining on, day
after day to vegans on newsgroups about the CD
associated with their's. What kind of deluded
hypocrite are you, fool?

"Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
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>
> "rick etter" > wrote in message
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> > "Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
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> > > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:48:11 -0500, "rick etter"
> wrote:
> > > >"Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
...
> > > >> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:24:29 -0500, "rick etter"
>wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >> >> >Under pressure from ranchers, the U.S.
> > > >> >> >> >government exterminates tens of thousands
> > > >> >> >> >of predator and "nuisance" animals each year.
> > > >> >> >> >In 1989, a partial list of animals killed by the
> > > >> >> >> >U.S. Department of Agriculture's Animal
> > > >> >> >> >Damage Control Program included 86,502
> > > >> >> >> >coyotes, 7,158 foxes, 236 black bears,
> > > >> >> >> >1,220 bobcats and 80 wolves. In 1988, 4.6
> > > >> >> >> >million birds, 9,000 beavers, 76,000 coyotes,
> > > >> >> >> >5,000 raccoons, 300 black bears, and 200
> > > >> >> >> >mountain lions, among others, were killed.
> > > >> >> >> >Some 400 pet dogs and 100 cats were also
> > > >> >> >> >inadvertently killed. Extermination methods
> > > >> >> >> >used include poisoning, shooting, gassing, and
> > > >> >> >> >burning animals in their dens.
> > > >> >> >> >======================
> > > >> >> >>ROTFLMAO And the majority of those are
> > > >> >> >>killed to protect crops
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> > Ah, but it does give numbers proving grass fed
> > > >> >> > beef accrues collateral deaths, so why do you
> > > >> >> >ignore them, hypocrite?
> > > >> >> >======================
> > > >> >> >Nope.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> You do ignore them, and that's a fact, liar.
> > > >> >======================
> > > >> >Nope.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yep. They do exist.
> > > >=================
> > > >Nope.
> > >
> > > So, though you insist collateral deaths exist in crop production,
> > > you also deny they exist in grass fed beef production. Thanks
> > > for such an excellent example of a meatarian's state of denial.
> > ======================
> > Nope.
>
> Then it is you rather than the vegan who's living
> in sanctimonious denial, Rick. You deny the CD
> associated with your diet while whining on, day
> after day to vegans on newsgroups about the CD
> associated with their's. What kind of deluded
> hypocrite are you, fool?
==============================
You're continued unethical snipping of posts still won't cut it, stupid.
here, I'll put it back for you, maybe someday you'll reply...


Nope. The meat I eat gets none of those 'benefits' vfrom the gov. Too bad
for you, eh killer?

The denial is all yours, killer.

You too could choose a, in your ignorant words, 'more ethical diet', but you
won't because you are too stupid, and too lazy.

Animals are just the tool of your hatred of those that have what you don't,
and nmever will, a real life. Not the drug induced delusions you live with.

Now, go have that nice blood-drenched lunch, hypocrite...

>

"rick etter" > wrote in message ...
> "Ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> > "rick etter" > wrote in message ...
> > > "Ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> > > > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:48:11 -0500, "rick etter" > wrote:
> > > > >"Ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> > > > >> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:24:29 -0500, "rick etter" >wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >> >> >Under pressure from ranchers, the U.S.
> > > > >> >> >> >government exterminates tens of thousands
> > > > >> >> >> >of predator and "nuisance" animals each year.
> > > > >> >> >> >In 1989, a partial list of animals killed by the
> > > > >> >> >> >U.S. Department of Agriculture's Animal
> > > > >> >> >> >Damage Control Program included 86,502
> > > > >> >> >> >coyotes, 7,158 foxes, 236 black bears,
> > > > >> >> >> >1,220 bobcats and 80 wolves. In 1988, 4.6
> > > > >> >> >> >million birds, 9,000 beavers, 76,000 coyotes,
> > > > >> >> >> >5,000 raccoons, 300 black bears, and 200
> > > > >> >> >> >mountain lions, among others, were killed.
> > > > >> >> >> >Some 400 pet dogs and 100 cats were also
> > > > >> >> >> >inadvertently killed. Extermination methods
> > > > >> >> >> >used include poisoning, shooting, gassing, and
> > > > >> >> >> >burning animals in their dens.
> > > > >> >> >> >======================
> > > > >> >> >>ROTFLMAO And the majority of those are
> > > > >> >> >>killed to protect crops
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> > Ah, but it does give numbers proving grass fed
> > > > >> >> > beef accrues collateral deaths, so why do you
> > > > >> >> >ignore them, hypocrite?
> > > > >> >> >======================
> > > > >> >> >Nope.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> You do ignore them, and that's a fact, liar.
> > > > >> >======================
> > > > >> >Nope.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yep. They do exist.
> > > > >=================
> > > > >Nope.
> > > >
> > > > So, though you insist collateral deaths exist in crop production,
> > > > you also deny they exist in grass fed beef production. Thanks
> > > > for such an excellent example of a meatarian's state of denial.
> > > ======================
> > > Nope.
> >
> > Then it is you rather than the vegan who's living
> > in sanctimonious denial, Rick. You deny the CD
> > associated with your diet while whining on, day
> > after day to vegans on newsgroups about the CD
> > associated with their's. What kind of deluded
> > hypocrite are you, fool?
> ==============================
> You're continued unethical snipping of posts still won't cut it, stupid.
> here, I'll put it back for you, maybe someday you'll reply...
>
If you think this single sentence, " Nope. The meat
I eat gets none of those 'benefits' vfrom the gov."
was pertinent to and helped your case, then I'm only
too glad to address it so I can show it wasn't and didn't.
>
> Nope. The meat I eat gets none of those 'benefits'
> vfrom the gov.

Then, if the grass fed beef YOU eat isn't protected by
the ADC, who else protects them, and what about the
collateral deaths accrued during their processing, storage
packaging and distribution?

"Do you accept that the *general* production, storage, and
distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
deaths?"

"Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
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> "rick etter" > wrote in message
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> > "Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
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> > > "rick etter" > wrote in message
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> > > > "Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
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> > > > > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:48:11 -0500, "rick etter"
> wrote:
> > > > > >"Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
...
> > > > > >> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:24:29 -0500, "rick etter"
>wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> >> >Under pressure from ranchers, the U.S.
> > > > > >> >> >> >government exterminates tens of thousands
> > > > > >> >> >> >of predator and "nuisance" animals each year.
> > > > > >> >> >> >In 1989, a partial list of animals killed by the
> > > > > >> >> >> >U.S. Department of Agriculture's Animal
> > > > > >> >> >> >Damage Control Program included 86,502
> > > > > >> >> >> >coyotes, 7,158 foxes, 236 black bears,
> > > > > >> >> >> >1,220 bobcats and 80 wolves. In 1988, 4.6
> > > > > >> >> >> >million birds, 9,000 beavers, 76,000 coyotes,
> > > > > >> >> >> >5,000 raccoons, 300 black bears, and 200
> > > > > >> >> >> >mountain lions, among others, were killed.
> > > > > >> >> >> >Some 400 pet dogs and 100 cats were also
> > > > > >> >> >> >inadvertently killed. Extermination methods
> > > > > >> >> >> >used include poisoning, shooting, gassing, and
> > > > > >> >> >> >burning animals in their dens.
> > > > > >> >> >> >======================
> > > > > >> >> >>ROTFLMAO And the majority of those are
> > > > > >> >> >>killed to protect crops
> > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > Ah, but it does give numbers proving grass fed
> > > > > >> >> > beef accrues collateral deaths, so why do you
> > > > > >> >> >ignore them, hypocrite?
> > > > > >> >> >======================
> > > > > >> >> >Nope.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> You do ignore them, and that's a fact, liar.
> > > > > >> >======================
> > > > > >> >Nope.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Yep. They do exist.
> > > > > >=================
> > > > > >Nope.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, though you insist collateral deaths exist in crop production,
> > > > > you also deny they exist in grass fed beef production. Thanks
> > > > > for such an excellent example of a meatarian's state of denial.
> > > > ======================
> > > > Nope.
> > >
> > > Then it is you rather than the vegan who's living
> > > in sanctimonious denial, Rick. You deny the CD
> > > associated with your diet while whining on, day
> > > after day to vegans on newsgroups about the CD
> > > associated with their's. What kind of deluded
> > > hypocrite are you, fool?
> > ==============================
> > You're continued unethical snipping of posts still won't cut it, stupid.
> > here, I'll put it back for you, maybe someday you'll reply...
> >
> If you think this single sentence, " Nope. The meat
> I eat gets none of those 'benefits' vfrom the gov."
> was pertinent to and helped your case,
======================
Yes. It was succinct and truthful. Unlike any postsiong you have made
about your diet,
like your fallen apples BS.



then I'm only
> too glad to address it so I can show it wasn't and didn't.
=======================
No, you're too stupid to see what happening to you, fool.


> >
> > Nope. The meat I eat gets none of those 'benefits'
> > vfrom the gov.
>
> Then, if the grass fed beef YOU eat isn't protected by
> the ADC, who else protects them, and what about the
> collateral deaths accrued during their processing, storage
> packaging and distribution?
>
> "Do you accept that the *general* production, storage, and
> distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> deaths?"
========================
> ============================
No fool, I haven't said that at all. Like you, I only talk about 'my' diet.
Kinda like your fallen apples and stuff. Afterall, it's only *your*
specific diet that you think matters. Why is it everybody elses general
diets? Because
you're the hypocritical ignorant fool you are?


>
>

"rick etter" > wrote in message ...
>
Here's the absolute denial we've all been waiting for.
Rick Etter firmly believes that no animals die during
the production of his grass fed beef.

[start Ipse dixit]
> Then tell me how many collateral deaths are associated
> with the grass fed beef you eat. After that tell me if you
> accept that the *general* production, storage, and
> distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> deaths.
============================
Why? The production of my beef promotes no CDs. Period.
[end]

This is a strange claim indeed for someone who
spends hours a day trying to convince everyone
their food is responsible for them, and that the
electricity they use to post here causes them, but
what's even more strange is the silence from Dutch,
Jonathan Ball and Usual Suspect while he denies
the facts behind his food. As I said earlier, "The
CD argument holds a double standard", and Rick
has helped me prove it.