"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
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> pearl wrote:
> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> >
> >>pearl wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> >>>news > >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Rat & Swan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> our Reichstag fire ( 9/11 -- there's
> >>>>> evidence Bush knew about it beforehand,
> >>>>
> >>>>Show it,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Plenty to chew on (and spit out), here;
> >>>
> >>>http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/91...ush/index.html
> >>
> >>Wild, conspiratorial bullshit; not a shred of evidence.
> >
> > Wild, shameless, ballshite ipse dixit.
>
> Your page was bullshit. There was no evidence; not
> anything even close. It was nothing but wild
> allegations by a crackpot.

And again.

pearl wrote:
> "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>
>>pearl wrote:
>>
>>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
thlink.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>pearl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
>>>>>news >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Rat & Swan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> our Reichstag fire ( 9/11 -- there's
>>>>>>> evidence Bush knew about it beforehand,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Show it,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Plenty to chew on (and spit out), here;
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/91...ush/index.html
>>>>
>>>>Wild, conspiratorial bullshit; not a shred of evidence.
>>>
>>>Wild, shameless, ballshite ipse dixit.
>>
>>Your page was bullshit. There was no evidence; not
>>anything even close. It was nothing but wild
>>allegations by a crackpot.
>
>
> And again.

Yes, again: there was no evidence, only the ravings of
a crackpot. Just your style.

"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> pearl wrote:
> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> >
> >>pearl wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> thlink.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>pearl wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> >>>>>news > >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Rat & Swan wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> our Reichstag fire ( 9/11 -- there's
> >>>>>>> evidence Bush knew about it beforehand,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Show it,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Plenty to chew on (and spit out), here;
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/91...ush/index.html
> >>>>
> >>>>Wild, conspiratorial bullshit; not a shred of evidence.
> >>>
> >>>Wild, shameless, ballshite ipse dixit.
> >>
> >>Your page was bullshit. There was no evidence; not
> >>anything even close. It was nothing but wild
> >>allegations by a crackpot.
> >
> >
> > And again.
>
> Yes, again: there was no evidence, only the ravings of
> a crackpot. Just your style.

No. The raving crackpot is you, ball.

pearl wrote:
> "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>
>>pearl wrote:
>>
>>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
thlink.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>pearl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
arthlink.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>pearl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>news >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rat & Swan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>our Reichstag fire ( 9/11 -- there's
>>>>>>>>>evidence Bush knew about it beforehand,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Show it,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Plenty to chew on (and spit out), here;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/91...ush/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wild, conspiratorial bullshit; not a shred of evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wild, shameless, ballshite ipse dixit.
>>>>
>>>>Your page was bullshit. There was no evidence; not
>>>>anything even close. It was nothing but wild
>>>>allegations by a crackpot.
>>>
>>>
>>>And again.
>>
>>Yes, again: there was no evidence, only the ravings of
>>a crackpot. Just your style.
>
>
> No. The raving crackpot is you, ball.

That is really stupid of you. Can't you do something
more creative than simply to try to redirect the
well-founded accusations about you? You sound like a
bratty school kid.

That moron's page offers no evidence, just his
irrational ravings. It figures you'd believe it. The
page is bullshit, just like all your "inner earth"
bullshit.

--

"If you step back and look at the data, the optimum amount
of red meat you eat should be zero."
-- Walter Willett, M.D., of Brigham and Women's Hospital,
director of a study that found a close correlation between
red meat consumption and colon cancer.

http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/reports/beyond.html
"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> pearl wrote:
> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
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> >>pearl wrote:
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> >>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> thlink.net...
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> >>>
> >>>>pearl wrote:
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> >>>>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> arthlink.net...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>pearl wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news > >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Rat & Swan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>our Reichstag fire ( 9/11 -- there's
> >>>>>>>>>evidence Bush knew about it beforehand,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Show it,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Plenty to chew on (and spit out), here;
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/91...ush/index.html

> That moron's page offers no evidence, just his
> irrational ravings

Who are you trying to smear exactly???

Why did you snip these links, ball?
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...=bush+knew+911
http://www.activeopposition.com/911exposed.htm

Lesley the pathological liar and conspiracy believing
twit wrote:

> http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/reports/beyond.html
> "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>

>>>>>>>>>>>our Reichstag fire ( 9/11 -- there's
>>>>>>>>>>>evidence Bush knew about it beforehand,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Show it,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Plenty to chew on (and spit out), here;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/91...ush/index.html
>
>
>>That moron's page offers no evidence, just his
>>irrational ravings
>
>
> Who are you trying to smear exactly???

No one, skank.

>
> Why did you snip these links

Because they are just MORE irrational, unsupported
conspiracy bullshit. They're taking well known, well
publicized bits and pieces of intelligence, and trying
to suggest that the *specific* 9/11 attack that
happened was known in advance by the Bush
administration and by Bush himself. It's shit. U.S.
and other western intelligence knew al Qaeda were up to
something, but they didn't know exactly what, when or
where.

That filthy slag Karen Winter has claimed that the Bush
administration staged the attacks. She's as full of
shit as you, but she doesn't even have any of her own
bullshit links to support her paranoid claims.

"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
ink.net...
Ball the pathological liar wrote:
>
> > http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/reports/beyond.html
> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> >
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>our Reichstag fire ( 9/11 -- there's
> >>>>>>>>>>>evidence Bush knew about it beforehand,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Show it,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Plenty to chew on (and spit out), here;
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/91...ush/index.html
> >
> >
> >>That moron's page offers no evidence, just his
> >>irrational ravings
> >
> >
> > Who are you trying to smear exactly???
>
> No one, skank.

Who is 'that moron', moron? Who are you irrationally ranting about?

> > Why did you snip these links, ball?
>
> Because they are just MORE irrational, unsupported
> conspiracy bullshit. They're taking well known, well
> publicized bits and pieces of intelligence, and trying
> to suggest that the *specific* 9/11 attack that
> happened was known in advance by the Bush
> administration and by Bush himself. It's shit. U.S.
> and other western intelligence knew al Qaeda were up to
> something, but they didn't know exactly what, when or
> where.

Ipse unsupported evasive dixit, ball.

Pentagon says Sept. 11 interceptors flew:
TOO FAR, TOO SLOW, TOO LATE
by William Thomas

Senior Correspondent lifeboatnews.com
Dec. 5/03

It happens all the time. When a small private plane recently entered
the 23-mile restricted ring around the U.S. Capitol, two F-16
interceptors were immediately launched from Andrews Air Force Base,
just 10 miles away. In a similar episode, a pair of F-16 "Fighting Falcons"
on 15-minute strip alert was airborne from Andrews just 11 minutes after
being notified by the North American Aerospace Defense Command
(NORAD) of a Cessna straying towards the White House. [AP
Nov11/03; CNN June20/02]

These were well-practiced routines. With more than 4,500 aircraft
continuously sharing U.S. airspace, between September 2000 and
June 2001 the Pentagon launched fighters on 67 occasions to escort
wayward aircraft. [FAA news release Aug/9/02; AP Aug13/02]

But on Sept 11, 2001, NORAD and the FAA ignored routine
procedures and strict regulations. In response to a national
emergency involving hijacked airliners as dangerous as cruise
missiles, interceptors launched late from distant bases flew to
defend their nation at a fraction of their top speeds. [NORAD
news release Sept. 18/01]

WHAT NORAD KNEW

A recently resurfaced NORAD news bulletin released seven days after
Sept. 11 explains that America's aerial defenders were slow to counter
rapidly developing air attacks because they didn't hear from the FAA
that American Airlines Flight 11 had been hijacked until 8:40 that
fateful morning. [NORAD news release Sept. 18/01]

But at the National Military Command Center (NMCC) in the basement
of the Pentagon, Air Force staff officers monitoring every inch of airspace
over the northeastern seaboard would have caught that first hijacking
when Flight 11's identification transponder stopped transmitting at 8:20
-- automatically triggering a radar alarm.

With their capability to monitor developing "situations" by tapping into
military and civilian radars, U.S. military commanders would have also
seen Flight 175 turn abruptly south 25 minutes later -- just as they had
watched on radar in October 1999 when pro golfer Payne Stewart's
Learjet abruptly departed its flight path while enroute to Dallas.
[CNN Oct26/1999]

In that legendary intercept, a fighter jet out of Tyndall, Florida was
diverted from a training flight to escort the Lear, whose pilot had
become incapacitated, trapping Stewart in the stratosphere. An F-16
was reportedly sitting off the left wingtip of Payne's pilotless business
jet within 19 minutes of the FAA alert. [ABC News Oct25/99]

If NORAD had been as quick to scramble or divert airborne fighters
on Sept. 11, two "anti-terrorist" F-15's on armed alert could have
been sent south from Otis Air Force Base on Cape Cod. Flying at
full afterburners without edging over the Atlantic to disperse their
sonic footprint, two of the fastest fighters on the planet would have
broken a few windows. But all the glass in the Twin Towers might
have stayed intact had the "fast-movers" intercepted Flight 11 over
the Hudson River at least six minutes from Manhattan.

NO HURRY SAYS NORAD

Instead, in a stunning admission that received little press scrutiny at
the time, NORAD noted that for all interceptions flown against the
hijackers on Sept. 11, "Flight times are calculated at 9 miles per
minute or .9 Mach." In other words, every interception flown by the
world's hottest air-combat aircraft was flown at less than a third of
the planes' top speed.

A Defense Department manual insists, "In the event of a hijacking, the
NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA."
To make this happen, the Federal Aviation Administration permanently
posts a liaison officer in the Pentagon air defense room.
[CJCSI 3610.01A, June1/01]

Yet, according to NORAD, after air traffic controllers realized that
Flight 11 had been hijacked, 38 vital minutes passed before a pair of
F-15's was scrambled from Otis. As they lifted off, American Airlines
Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, 153 air
miles away as a Falcon flies. [NORAD Sept. 18/01]

United Airlines Flight 175 was still 20 minutes out.

"The F-15 pilots flew ''like a scalded ape, topping 500 mph but were
unable to catch up to the airliner," Maj. Gen. Paul Weaver later told
reporters. [St. Augustine Times Sept16/01]

Scalded apes? Airliners fly at 500 mph. An F-15 can fly almost
four-times faster.

STEP ON IT

One of the Otis intercept pilots dubbed "Duff", later lamented: "We've
been over the flight a thousand times in our minds and I don't know
what we could have done to get there any quicker."

For starters, he and his wingman could have tried pushing their twin
throttles fully forward. Instead of flying two-and-a-half times faster
than a bullet, "Nasty" and "Duff" drove their expensive air superiority
fighters at a leisurely 447-mph -- supposedly to intercept a Boeing 767
flying 43 mph faster! Utilizing only 27% power, the F-15's were "eight
minutes/71 miles" away, according to NORAD, when Flight 175 struck
the South Tower with 56 souls and more than ten tons of fuel onboard.
[Christian Science Monitor Mar8/02]

HONOR THE THREAT

With both Trade Towers burning, and hijacked United Flight 93
shadowed by a circling F-16 over Pennsylvania, American Airlines
Flight 77 was the only threat left in the sky. When that Boeing 757
silenced its transponder signal, made a U-turn over Kentucky and
headed directly for the White House and the Pentagon, one billion
viewers riveted to the big networks knew this was a kamikaze run.
[Telegraph Sept13/01]

With no other bogeys on eastern seaboard scopes, air combat doctrine
dictates that the two unemployed Otis F-15s already in the area be
redirected to "honor the threat" of an incoming flying bomb, 330 miles
out. Even loafing along, the fighters would have more than 20 minutes
to confront Flight 77 before it neared the Pentagon.

Instead, Pentagon professionals defending their country's nerve centers
waited more than an hour after watching Flight 11 go rogue -- including
30 critical minutes after Flight 77 turned abruptly toward them and the
nearby White House -- before scrambling two F-16's out of Langley Air
Force Base to protect the capitol.

Nearly half-an-hour after receiving the belated order to scramble, two
Falcons coasted in over the burning Pentagon. Slowed down to just
410 mph, it had taken the 1,500 mph-capable fighters 19 minutes to
cover the 130 miles from Virginia. It should have taken just over
seven minutes to reach the Pentagon -- at about the time Flight 77
was making a predatory circle overhead. [NORAD Sept18/01;
USAF]

GROUNDED

The supersonic jets were flown no faster than WWII prop-driven
fighters. But it hardly mattered. Sitting on the Andrews ramp just 10
miles away, were two fully armed and fueled supersonic interceptors
tasked with protecting the capitol from airborne terrorist threats on 15
minutes' notice!

Isn't it about time someone asked why those routinely launched Andrews
interceptors were "stood down" as Flight 77 bored in toward the
headquarters they were supposed to protect? [San Diego Union-Tribune
Sept12/01

In the most heavily armed nation on Earth, at least two-dozen air force
installations were within fast flying time of the World Trade Center and
Pentagon. Does anyone else wonder why none of those aircraft were
ordered launched -- or why none of the armed fighters on training
flights or patrolling Air Defense Intercept Zones just off the Atlantic
Coast were diverted to intercept four commandeered airliners until after
the Pentagon was struck -- one-hour and 18 minutes after Flight 11 was
hijacked? [www.af.mil/sites/alphabetical.shtml#a]

According to NORAD, the F-16s from Langley were still "12 minutes/105
miles" away when the big Boeing they were "chasing" soared past the
White House and the Andrews runways. Allegedly flown by an incompetent
Egyptian flight student who couldn't solo a Cessna, the 757 peeled off
and piled into the Pentagon after an abrupt dive and pull-up that left
veteran pilots agape. [San Diego Union-Tribune Sept12/01; NBC Nightly
News Sept11/01; All Fall Down]

Immediately after the Pentagon was hit, the Andrews alert jets were
launched to guard empty skies. [Mirror Nov13/03]

ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH

Responding to questions from a Senate confirmation committee two
days after this suspicious fiasco, the Joint Chief's acting air defense chief
on Sept. 11 said he was in a meeting while all hell was breaking loose
in his sector.

Air Force Gen. Richard Myers had not let a TV report about a small
plane hitting the World Trade Center interrupt his routine. As jumbo
jetliners kept diving into buildings, apparently no one thought to
inform the acting commander of U.S. air defenses that his country was
under attack. Myers said he came out of his meeting just as the
Pentagon was hit.

Asked repeatedly when the brass were first informed of the emergency,
and when interceptors were scrambled, Myers repeated a muddled
mantra six times, saying ""I'll have to get back to you on that."
[http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2...00110236.html]

Instead of being court-martialed like the luckless commanders defending
Pearl Harbor, or even reprimanded, General Myers was awarded
command of the entire U.S. military as new chairman of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. Bush publicly commended the air force general for his "calm
manner, sound judgment, and his clear strategic thinking." [White House
press release Oct15/01]

As this bizarre and possibly treasonous story goes to press, the FAA
has refused to disclose documents relating to when that agency notified
U.S. air defenses about the four hijacked airliners. A second subpoena
served on the Pentagon by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks
Upon the United States has been similarly unsuccessful in attaining
records concerning whether NORAD responded quickly enough in
dispatching interceptors on Sept. 11. [Washington PoX-Mozilla-Status:
0009 of fingering air traffic controllers for not following procedures,
these documents could show that the FAA did follow its own Standard
Intercept Procedures and notify NORAD within a few minutes of each
hijacking -- which would leave the Air Force with even more explaining
to do. [AP Oct18/03]


# # #

William Thomas is the award-winning author of "Scorched Earth",
"Bringing The War Home", "Chemtrails Confirmed" and "All Fall
Down: The Politics of Terror and Mass Persuasion."



--
One 9-11 Commissioner complained, ''The Department
of Homeland Security has been unhelpful."

pearl wrote:

>>Your page was bullshit. There was no evidence; not
>>anything even close. It was nothing but wild
>>allegations by a crackpot.

> And again.

The page itself mentions having the evidence for complicity but in the
next breath simply suggests that it presents circumstances (or
coincidences) that should be investigated. Which is about all you can
say of alleged 'evidence' if you value the principal that someone is
innocent until proven guilty. Seems like a grab for headlines; right or
wrong (or right or left.)

Regards

Ian