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No need for farm animals.
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:22:32 -0500, "rick etter"
> wrote: > > >Here, let me snip it all for you, and save you the trouble. Obviously you >have no desire to really have a discussion, or learn anything. >You are perfectly comfortable with your ignorance and stupidity. This here shows you are wrong: HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989 The Hunger Argument Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60 million. Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million Human beings in America: 243 million Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20 Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80 Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95 Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99 How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165 Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56 Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16 The Environmental Argument Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 50 times more Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75 Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85 Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S. housecat. Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55 sq.ft. Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year The Cancer Argument Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week vs. less than once a week: 4 times For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times The Natural Resources Argument Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: livestock portion. Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to float a destroyer. Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25 Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500 Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no longer subsidized: 89 dollars Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13 Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260 Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient factory farming of meat: 34.5 Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8 Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present meat-centered diet: 33 The Cholesterol Argument Number of U.S. medical schools: 125 Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30 Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four years in medical school: 25 hours Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc. Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc. Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood cholesterol if it is: normal Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc. The Antibiotic Argument Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55 Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13 Percentage resistant in 1988: 91 Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support The Pesticide Argument Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy products: 23 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55 Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs. non meat-eating: 35 times higher What USDA tells us: meat is inspected Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004 The Ethical Argument Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000 Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in U.S:slaughterhouse worker Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before slaughter.: 1 cent Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive The Survival Argument Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C. Famous pop stars - vegetarians: ------------------------------- Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting 'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.' --William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3 www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:24:18 -0500, "rick etter"
> wrote: > > >Here, let me snip it all for you, and save you the trouble. Obviously you >have no desire to really have a discussion, or learn anything. >You are perfectly comfortable with your ignorance and stupidity. This here shows you are wrong, mince head. HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989 The Hunger Argument Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60 million. Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million Human beings in America: 243 million Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20 Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80 Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95 Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99 How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165 Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56 Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16 The Environmental Argument Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 50 times more Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75 Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85 Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S. housecat. Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55 sq.ft. Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year The Cancer Argument Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week vs. less than once a week: 4 times For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times The Natural Resources Argument Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: livestock portion. Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to float a destroyer. Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25 Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500 Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no longer subsidized: 89 dollars Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13 Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260 Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient factory farming of meat: 34.5 Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8 Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present meat-centered diet: 33 The Cholesterol Argument Number of U.S. medical schools: 125 Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30 Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four years in medical school: 25 hours Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc. Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc. Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood cholesterol if it is: normal Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc. The Antibiotic Argument Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55 Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13 Percentage resistant in 1988: 91 Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support The Pesticide Argument Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy products: 23 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55 Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs. non meat-eating: 35 times higher What USDA tells us: meat is inspected Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004 The Ethical Argument Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000 Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in U.S:slaughterhouse worker Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before slaughter.: 1 cent Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive The Survival Argument Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C. Famous pop stars - vegetarians: ------------------------------- Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting 'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.' --William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3 www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:43:16 GMT, Jonathan Ball
> wrote: >Jahnu wrote: >> I don't understand what you mean when you say my vegetarian lifestyle >> causes animals to suffer and die. > >You do know: I have explained it, and Rick has >explained it. You are lying. You haven't explained jack shit. Just some mindless BS from you is all I have heard. >Stop lying, and answer the questions: why do you eat a >diet that causes animals to suffer and die? How much >rice do you eat? I think you confuse me with someone who is the least tiny bit interested in answering your moronic questions. >> Can you explain to me the logistics >> behind it, then I would be very grateful, thank you. > >Stop dodging, and answer the questions. Stop dodging this: HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989 The Hunger Argument Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60 million. Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million Human beings in America: 243 million Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20 Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80 Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95 Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99 How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165 Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56 Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16 The Environmental Argument Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 50 times more Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75 Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85 Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S. housecat. Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55 sq.ft. Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year The Cancer Argument Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week vs. less than once a week: 4 times For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times The Natural Resources Argument Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: livestock portion. Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to float a destroyer. Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25 Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500 Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no longer subsidized: 89 dollars Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13 Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260 Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient factory farming of meat: 34.5 Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8 Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present meat-centered diet: 33 The Cholesterol Argument Number of U.S. medical schools: 125 Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30 Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four years in medical school: 25 hours Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc. Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc. Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood cholesterol if it is: normal Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc. The Antibiotic Argument Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55 Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13 Percentage resistant in 1988: 91 Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support The Pesticide Argument Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy products: 23 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55 Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs. non meat-eating: 35 times higher What USDA tells us: meat is inspected Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004 The Ethical Argument Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000 Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in U.S:slaughterhouse worker Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before slaughter.: 1 cent Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive The Survival Argument Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C. Famous pop stars - vegetarians: ------------------------------- Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting 'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.' --William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3 www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:24:01 -0500, "rick etter"
> wrote: > >"Jahnu" > wrote in message >> Why ask me? You would know. >================ >You're the only one demonstarting terminal ignorace, killer. Writing that self biography again, are we? >How many animals do you figure all this idiocy in your posts has killed? Gee, I don't knnow but this shows that you are a retard: HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989 The Hunger Argument Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60 million. Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million Human beings in America: 243 million Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20 Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80 Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95 Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99 How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165 Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56 Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16 The Environmental Argument Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 50 times more Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75 Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85 Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S. housecat. Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55 sq.ft. Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year The Cancer Argument Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week vs. less than once a week: 4 times For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times The Natural Resources Argument Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: livestock portion. Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to float a destroyer. Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25 Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500 Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no longer subsidized: 89 dollars Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13 Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260 Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient factory farming of meat: 34.5 Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8 Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present meat-centered diet: 33 The Cholesterol Argument Number of U.S. medical schools: 125 Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30 Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four years in medical school: 25 hours Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc. Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc. Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood cholesterol if it is: normal Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc. The Antibiotic Argument Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55 Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13 Percentage resistant in 1988: 91 Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support The Pesticide Argument Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy products: 23 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55 Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs. non meat-eating: 35 times higher What USDA tells us: meat is inspected Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004 The Ethical Argument Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000 Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in U.S:slaughterhouse worker Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before slaughter.: 1 cent Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive The Survival Argument Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C. Famous pop stars - vegetarians: ------------------------------- Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting 'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.' --William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3 www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:25:55 -0500, "rick etter"
> wrote: > > >Here, let me snip it all for you, and save you the trouble. Obviously you >have no desire to really have a discussion, or learn anything. >You are perfectly comfortable with your ignorance and stupidity. This here shows that you are wrong: HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989 The Hunger Argument Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60 million. Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million Human beings in America: 243 million Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20 Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80 Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95 Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99 How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165 Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56 Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16 The Environmental Argument Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 50 times more Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75 Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85 Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S. housecat. Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55 sq.ft. Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year The Cancer Argument Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week vs. less than once a week: 4 times For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times The Natural Resources Argument Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: livestock portion. Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to float a destroyer. Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25 Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500 Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no longer subsidized: 89 dollars Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13 Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260 Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient factory farming of meat: 34.5 Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8 Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present meat-centered diet: 33 The Cholesterol Argument Number of U.S. medical schools: 125 Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30 Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four years in medical school: 25 hours Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc. Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc. Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood cholesterol if it is: normal Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc. The Antibiotic Argument Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55 Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13 Percentage resistant in 1988: 91 Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support The Pesticide Argument Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy products: 23 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55 Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs. non meat-eating: 35 times higher What USDA tells us: meat is inspected Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004 The Ethical Argument Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000 Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in U.S:slaughterhouse worker Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before slaughter.: 1 cent Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive The Survival Argument Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C. Famous pop stars - vegetarians: ------------------------------- Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting 'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.' --William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3 www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:44:06 GMT, Jonathan Ball
> wrote: >Jahnu wrote: >> I didn't know I did. I'm a vegetarian not a flesh eater  > >You do know it. How could I? It's wrong. >You are lying when you say you don't. Nope. >Now stop lying and answer the question: Why do you eat >a diet that causes animals to suffer and die, asshole? I didn't know that I did. This here shows that you are wrong: HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989 The Hunger Argument Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60 million. Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million Human beings in America: 243 million Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20 Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80 Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95 Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99 How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165 Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56 Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16 The Environmental Argument Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 50 times more Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75 Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85 Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S. housecat. Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55 sq.ft. Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year The Cancer Argument Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week vs. less than once a week: 4 times For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times The Natural Resources Argument Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: livestock portion. Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to float a destroyer. Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25 Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500 Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no longer subsidized: 89 dollars Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13 Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260 Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient factory farming of meat: 34.5 Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8 Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present meat-centered diet: 33 The Cholesterol Argument Number of U.S. medical schools: 125 Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30 Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four years in medical school: 25 hours Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc. Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc. Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood cholesterol if it is: normal Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc. The Antibiotic Argument Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55 Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13 Percentage resistant in 1988: 91 Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support The Pesticide Argument Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy products: 23 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55 Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs. non meat-eating: 35 times higher What USDA tells us: meat is inspected Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004 The Ethical Argument Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000 Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in U.S:slaughterhouse worker Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before slaughter.: 1 cent Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive The Survival Argument Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C. Famous pop stars - vegetarians: ------------------------------- Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting 'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.' --William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3 www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:46:18 GMT, Jonathan Ball
> wrote: >Jahnu wrote: >> I have to say that I was impressed by the many good points you made in >> this text. Are you schitzophrenic? Aren't you same guy who goes, >> 'answer the question asshole, how much rice do you eat?' > >One and the same. I'm not schizophrenic at all; I'm >highly consistent. <laughing hysterically>  >Now answer the questions, asshole: why do you eat a >diet that causes animals to suffer and die? How much >rice do you eat? Why do you falsely maintain that you >are "virtuous" merely because you don't eat meat? I don't. HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989 The Hunger Argument Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60 million. Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million Human beings in America: 243 million Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20 Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80 Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95 Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99 How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165 Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56 Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16 The Environmental Argument Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 50 times more Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75 Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85 Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S. housecat. Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55 sq.ft. Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year The Cancer Argument Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week vs. less than once a week: 4 times For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times The Natural Resources Argument Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: livestock portion. Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to float a destroyer. Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25 Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500 Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no longer subsidized: 89 dollars Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13 Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260 Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient factory farming of meat: 34.5 Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8 Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present meat-centered diet: 33 The Cholesterol Argument Number of U.S. medical schools: 125 Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30 Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four years in medical school: 25 hours Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc. Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc. Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood cholesterol if it is: normal Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc. The Antibiotic Argument Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55 Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13 Percentage resistant in 1988: 91 Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support The Pesticide Argument Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy products: 23 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55 Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs. non meat-eating: 35 times higher What USDA tells us: meat is inspected Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004 The Ethical Argument Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000 Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in U.S:slaughterhouse worker Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before slaughter.: 1 cent Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive The Survival Argument Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C. Famous pop stars - vegetarians: ------------------------------- Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting 'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.' --William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3 www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:50:17 GMT, Jonathan Ball
> wrote: >Jahnu wrote: >> Why do you think they are 'supposed'? > >Because what you are calling "ethics" is nothing of the >kind. Your behavior is wholly inconsistent with any >legitimate ethical principles. I wouldn't just take your word for it. >>>That makes you philosophically a >>>"vegan", whether or not you use the term. >> >> >> How can it do that when I support keeping cows for their milk? > >That merely makes you grotesquely inconsistent and >hypocritical. why? www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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Here, I'll just snip everything again for you, and save you the trouble. It's obvious you aren't here for any discussion, just to spew your hatred. Now, go have that nice blood-drenched dinner |
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"Jahnu" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:24:18 -0500, "rick etter" > > wrote: > > > > > > >Here, let me snip it all for you, and save you the trouble. Obviously you > >have no desire to really have a discussion, or learn anything. > >You are perfectly comfortable with your ignorance and stupidity. > > This here shows you are wrong, mince head. nope, just proves that you are terminally stupid, and don't care that you kill animals for your entertainment and ignorance. snippage of typical idocy that does not defend his diet... Why is it that all you have is hatred, and not one bit of evidence to show that your diet alwasy causes less death and suffering than any meat-included diet? The reason is that you can't, so you just continue to spews of lys, delusions and hatred. Pity, your own karma is killing you. How ironic. |
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"Jahnu" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:46:18 GMT, Jonathan Ball > > wrote: > > >Jahnu wrote: > > >> I have to say that I was impressed by the many good points you made in > >> this text. Are you schitzophrenic? Aren't you same guy who goes, > >> 'answer the question asshole, how much rice do you eat?' > > > >One and the same. I'm not schizophrenic at all; I'm > >highly consistent. > > <laughing hysterically> > > >Now answer the questions, asshole: why do you eat a > >diet that causes animals to suffer and die? How much > >rice do you eat? Why do you falsely maintain that you > >are "virtuous" merely because you don't eat meat? > > I don't. ====================== Why the dodge, killer? can't you answer all the questions? snippage, again of typical loony crap hat doesn't defend your diet... |
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"Jahnu" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:50:17 GMT, Jonathan Ball > > wrote: > > >Jahnu wrote: > > >> Why do you think they are 'supposed'? > > > >Because what you are calling "ethics" is nothing of the > >kind. Your behavior is wholly inconsistent with any > >legitimate ethical principles. > > I wouldn't just take your word for it. > > >>>That makes you philosophically a > >>>"vegan", whether or not you use the term. > >> > >> > >> How can it do that when I support keeping cows for their milk? > > > >That merely makes you grotesquely inconsistent and > >hypocritical. > > why? ================== Because you kill animals for your convenience and entertainment, yet spew your hatred of those that you think are doing the same. |
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"Jahnu" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:22:32 -0500, "rick etter" > > wrote: > > > > > > >Here, let me snip it all for you, and save you the trouble. Obviously you > >have no desire to really have a discussion, or learn anything. > >You are perfectly comfortable with your ignorance and stupidity. > > This here shows you are wrong: no, it just says I'm right, again. You have no desire for discussion, you want only to spew your hate. Once more, defend *your* diet. Don't just spew about what you think others are doing, which in most of your 'examples' are just lys anyway. Tell us how the animals that die for the production of veggies are somehow worth less than the animals that are eaten. Tell us how killing them in terrible, inhumane ways like shredding, slicing, dicing, dis-membering and poisoning are more humane than a bolt gun. You won't, because you can't. All you have is your hatred of others and the lys that you spew. I suggest you go back to whatever 'teacher' you have in the loony religion you practice and ask, no beg, for forgivness of your terrible karma, killer. Tell us how the animals that die for usenet communications are somehow less worthy than the animals that are eaten. Come on killer, explain your lack of integrity and 'ethics'. Of course, all you'll do is cut-n-paste some more lys and delusion, right hypocrite? snippage of your idiocy and lys. Now, go have that nice blood-drenched breakfast, killer. |
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Some scumbag whose name is NOT "Jahnu" wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:43:16 GMT, Jonathan Ball > > wrote: > > >>Jahnu wrote: >> >>>I don't understand what you mean when you say my vegetarian lifestyle >>>causes animals to suffer and die. >> >>You do know: I have explained it, and Rick has >>explained it. You are lying. > > > You haven't explained jack shit. Just some mindless BS from you is all > I have heard. I have explained it. You can't address it. > > >>Stop lying, and answer the questions: why do you eat a >>diet that causes animals to suffer and die? How much >>rice do you eat? > > > I think you confuse me with someone who is the least tiny bit > interested in answering your moronic questions. No, I thought perhaps you had some tiny shred of honesty that would compel you to address the fundamental flaw in "veganism" as an ethical response. Obviously, I was mistaken. I was mistaken as to your having a shred of honesty, and I was mistaken as to your having any intellectual capacity. > > >>>Can you explain to me the logistics >>>behind it, then I would be very grateful, thank you. >> >>Stop dodging, and answer the questions. > > > Stop dodging this: There is nothing to dodge. Why can't you answer the questions, JoeBob? Why do you eat a diet that causes the suffering and death of animals? Why do you think you're fooling anyone by adopting a goofy name like "Jahnu", when you are thoroughly born and reared in western civilization as I am? Why are you such a fake? |
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Jahnu wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:44:06 GMT, Jonathan Ball > > wrote: > > >>Jahnu wrote: > > >>>I didn't know I did. I'm a vegetarian not a flesh eater >> >>You do know it. > > > How could I? It's wrong. It isn't wrong. Your diet causes animal suffering and death, and you know it. Why do you follow that diet? > > >>You are lying when you say you don't. > > > Nope. Yep. > > >>Now stop lying and answer the question: Why do you eat >>a diet that causes animals to suffer and die, asshole? > > > I didn't know that I did. But every other ****witted "vegan" whom I accuse of following the classical fallacy of Denying the Antecedent comes back and says I'm wrong; they all say that all "vegans" know that their diets cause animal suffering and death. Are you saying that your fellow "vegan" loons are lying? > This here shows that you are wrong: "This here" shows you are an ignorant ass. |
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Jahnu wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:46:18 GMT, Jonathan Ball > > wrote: > > >>Jahnu wrote: > > >>>I have to say that I was impressed by the many good points you made in >>>this text. Are you schitzophrenic? Aren't you same guy who goes, >>>'answer the question asshole, how much rice do you eat?' >> >>One and the same. I'm not schizophrenic at all; I'm >>highly consistent. >> >>Now answer the questions, asshole: why do you eat a >>diet that causes animals to suffer and die? How much >>rice do you eat? Why do you falsely maintain that you >>are "virtuous" merely because you don't eat meat? > > > I don't. You're lying; you do. You DO know that your diet causes animal suffering and death. You DO eat rice, one of the most lethal vegetable crops there is. you DO falsely maintain that you are "virtuous" merely because you don't eat meat. Why are you lying? Why are you such a gutless coward? |
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Some cocksucker whose name isn't really "Jahnu" wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:50:17 GMT, Jonathan Ball > > wrote: > > >>Jahnu wrote: > > >>>Why do you think they are 'supposed'? >> >>Because what you are calling "ethics" is nothing of the >>kind. Your behavior is wholly inconsistent with any >>legitimate ethical principles. > > > I wouldn't just take your word for it. You should. You sure as hell can't enunciate a principle you to which you really adhere. What you are doing is following a mere dietary rule, not a principle. Blind obedience to the rule does not lead to a "more ethical" stance. > > >>>>That makes you philosophically a >>>>"vegan", whether or not you use the term. >>> >>> >>>How can it do that when I support keeping cows for their milk? >> >>That merely makes you grotesquely inconsistent and >>hypocritical. > > > why? Why the **** do you think, Bruce or whatever the **** your real name is? |
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swamp wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2004 12:51:54 -0800, (Ron) wrote: > >> >>You are an idiot Ball. > > > His points are valid, and you unpersuasive. Why won't you address > them, Ron? I didn't notice the e-mail address until I read Swamp's post. I hadn't seen the ****wit "banmilk" for quite a long time. I thought he had taken a permanent powder. Just one of the weakest of all weak-minded "vegan" twits who ever posted. |
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"Ron" > wrote in message <snip> Hey Ron, did you figure out what that chemical was yet? 1. A major component of acid rain 2. Found in precancerous tumors 3. Kills thousands of people every year 4. Accidental inhalation causes death 5. Causes severe burns 6. Causes severe tissue damage from prolonged exposure to solid state. Remember that all these statements are 100% true. -Rubystars |
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Rubystars wrote in message ... > >"Ron" > wrote in message ><snip> > >Hey Ron, did you figure out what that chemical was yet? > >1. A major component of acid rain >2. Found in precancerous tumors >3. Kills thousands of people every year >4. Accidental inhalation causes death >5. Causes severe burns >6. Causes severe tissue damage from prolonged exposure to solid state. > >Remember that all these statements are 100% true. > oh no! not dihydrogen monoxide! -- Saerah TANSTAAFL "We're all one thing, Lieutenant. That's what I've come to realize. Like cells in a body. 'Cept we can't see the body. The way fish can't see the ocean. And so we envy each other. Hurt each other. Hate each other. How silly is that? A heart cell hating a lung cell." - Cassie from THE THREE |
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Jahnu wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 00:32:35 -0500, "rick etter" Saving bandwidth <snip> plonk -- ----- "The law may permit what honor does not." -John Deacon ----- Sincerely Michael Sallee Vice President Dalmatian Data PC Consultants Owner/Manager Chautauqua Park Farms Brought to you by the letters O and S and the number 2 |
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"Saerah" > wrote in message ... > > Rubystars wrote in message ... > > > >"Ron" > wrote in message > ><snip> > > > >Hey Ron, did you figure out what that chemical was yet? > > > >1. A major component of acid rain > >2. Found in precancerous tumors > >3. Kills thousands of people every year > >4. Accidental inhalation causes death > >5. Causes severe burns > >6. Causes severe tissue damage from prolonged exposure to solid state. > > > >Remember that all these statements are 100% true. > > > > oh no! not dihydrogen monoxide! That's only a technical name for it! It's just as deadly as milk! Now shhhhh, let Ron figure out what the common name is. -Rubystars |
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Jonathan Ball > wrote in message nk.net>...
> swamp wrote: > > On 9 Jan 2004 12:51:54 -0800, (Ron) wrote: > > > > >> > >>You are an idiot Ball. > > > > > > His points are valid, and you unpersuasive. Why won't you address > > them, Ron? > > I didn't notice the e-mail address until I read Swamp's > post. I hadn't seen the ****wit "banmilk" for quite a > long time. I thought he had taken a permanent powder. > Just one of the weakest of all weak-minded "vegan" > twits who ever posted. Ready to take the ice cream test yet Ball? Last time you mumbled incoherently about hardly using any dairy at all as your excuse to flee. LOL!! |
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No need for farm animals. (more logic of the larder) Attn. Jonathan Ball
"ipse dixit" > wrote in message ... > > "Dutch" > wrote in message ... > > "ipse dixit" > wrote in message ... > > > "Dutch" > wrote in message ... > > > > "ipse dixit" > wrote in message ... > > > > > > > > > "There is exactly one person you've ever read in > > > > > these newsgroups who believes the "animals getting > > > > > to experience life" crapola, and EVERY omnivore > > > > > apart from ****wit who has ever addressed the > > > > > issue with him has told him his "theory" is bullshit." > > > > > Jonathan Ball 2003-06-25 > > > > > > > > > > He's clearly wrong. > > > > > > > > No, he was correct, at the time that was written 2003-06-25 the Benfez > > > > character had not yet emerged. > > > > > > > Before Benfez, arachedeaux and yourself, > > > > I've never subscribed to the logic of the larder, MORON. > > > Your quotes and admissions prove that you do. No, they do NOT, IDIOT. > [start ipse dixit] > >> >> You wrote that, "The deer benefit from > >> >> the loss of predators, *first* because they > >> >> are able to reproduce prodigiously...", so the > >> >> benefits you're referring to are; > >> >> 1) from living > >> >> 2) from producing > >> >> after we have removed their predators, so explain > >> >> how. > >> >> > >> Well, Dutch? > > > >It's self-evident, you're an idiot. > > > Way to go ... > [end] |
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becida wrote:
> "Jahnu" > wrote in message > ... > >>On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:14:47 -0500, "rick etter" > > All experts who has > >>something to say in the field agree, that a vegetarian diet is better >>suited for humans, and is also better for mother nature and her other >>inhabitants, than a meat based diet. >> > > > By golly your right! That's why for the last 8000+ years humankind has eaten > nothing but beans & corn. Supplemented by meat, fish, and just about anything else. > I'm always impressed when someone can just never see what has gone before > them. Never even attempt to see what went before them. Ingorant and proud of > it! > > |
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Elmo wrote:
> > becida wrote: > > > "Jahnu" > wrote in message > > ... > > > >>On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:14:47 -0500, "rick etter" > > > > All experts who has > > > >>something to say in the field agree, that a vegetarian diet is better > >>suited for humans, and is also better for mother nature and her other > >>inhabitants, than a meat based diet. > >> > > > > > > By golly your right! That's why for the last 8000+ years humankind has eaten > > nothing but beans & corn. > > Supplemented by meat, fish, and just about anything else. > > > I'm always impressed when someone can just never see what has gone before > > them. Never even attempt to see what went before them. Ingorant and proud of > > it! > > > > There seem to a lot of argument against "intelligent design" of the universe in this group recently |
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"Elmo" > wrote in message ... > becida wrote: > > > "Jahnu" > wrote in message > > ... > > > >>On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:14:47 -0500, "rick etter" > > > > All experts who has > > > >>something to say in the field agree, that a vegetarian diet is better > >>suited for humans, and is also better for mother nature and her other > >>inhabitants, than a meat based diet. > >> > > By golly your right! That's why for the last 8000+ years humankind has eaten > > nothing but beans & corn. Does that make it optimal? For the majority of human history, most people have had very short lifespans and have had little defense against diseases. Does this mean we should abandon modern medicine and institute compulsory euthanasia for those over the age of 40? Of course not. Just because humanity has had to put up with something for a long time, does not imply that it is best suited for our well-being. - Blissett |
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:47:20 -0800, "becida" >
wrote: > >"Jahnu" > wrote in message >By golly your right! That's why for the last 8000+ years humankind has eaten >nothing but beans & corn. >I'm always impressed when someone can just never see what has gone before >them. Never even attempt to see what went before them. Ingorant and proud of >it! Another moron who thinks he has a clue about what humans have eaten the last 8000 years. The only thing you know, mincehead, is what you have been told in the Disney culture you were brought up in. www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:38:25 -0500, "rick etter"
> wrote: >Why is it that all you have is hatred, I don't. I just defend the animals and mother nature against hateful persons like you who are destroying the earth. >and not one bit of evidence to show >that your diet alwasy causes less death and suffering than any meat-included >diet? I do. Here it is: HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989 The Hunger Argument Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60 million. Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million Human beings in America: 243 million Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20 Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80 Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95 Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99 How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165 Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56 Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16 The Environmental Argument Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 50 times more Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75 Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85 Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S. housecat. Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55 sq.ft. Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year The Cancer Argument Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week vs. less than once a week: 4 times For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times The Natural Resources Argument Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: livestock portion. Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to float a destroyer. Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25 Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500 Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no longer subsidized: 89 dollars Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13 Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260 Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient factory farming of meat: 34.5 Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8 Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present meat-centered diet: 33 The Cholesterol Argument Number of U.S. medical schools: 125 Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30 Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four years in medical school: 25 hours Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc. Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc. Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood cholesterol if it is: normal Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc. The Antibiotic Argument Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55 Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13 Percentage resistant in 1988: 91 Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support The Pesticide Argument Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy products: 23 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55 Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs. non meat-eating: 35 times higher What USDA tells us: meat is inspected Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004 The Ethical Argument Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000 Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in U.S:slaughterhouse worker Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before slaughter.: 1 cent Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive The Survival Argument Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C. Famous pop stars - vegetarians: ------------------------------- Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting 'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.' --William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3 www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:43:16 GMT, Jonathan Ball
> wrote: >Jahnu wrote: >> I don't understand what you mean when you say my vegetarian lifestyle >> causes animals to suffer and die. > >You do know: I have explained it, and Rick has >explained it. You are lying. You haven't explained anything, mincehead, just spewing mindless drivel. >Stop lying, and answer the questions: why do you eat a >diet that causes animals to suffer and die? As you can see below I don't. >How much >rice do you eat? >> Can you explain to me the logistics >> behind it, then I would be very grateful, thank you. > >Stop dodging, and answer the questions. Here is the answer why people like you are ruining the earth: HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989 The Hunger Argument Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60 million. Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million Human beings in America: 243 million Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20 Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80 Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95 Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99 How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165 Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56 Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16 The Environmental Argument Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 50 times more Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75 Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85 Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S. housecat. Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55 sq.ft. Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year The Cancer Argument Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week vs. less than once a week: 4 times For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times The Natural Resources Argument Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: livestock portion. Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to float a destroyer. Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25 Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500 Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no longer subsidized: 89 dollars Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13 Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260 Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient factory farming of meat: 34.5 Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8 Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present meat-centered diet: 33 The Cholesterol Argument Number of U.S. medical schools: 125 Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30 Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four years in medical school: 25 hours Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc. Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc. Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood cholesterol if it is: normal Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc. The Antibiotic Argument Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55 Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13 Percentage resistant in 1988: 91 Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support The Pesticide Argument Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy products: 23 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55 Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs. non meat-eating: 35 times higher What USDA tells us: meat is inspected Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004 The Ethical Argument Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000 Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in U.S:slaughterhouse worker Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before slaughter.: 1 cent Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive The Survival Argument Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C. Famous pop stars - vegetarians: ------------------------------- Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting 'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.' --William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3 www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:58:04 GMT, Jonathan Ball
> wrote: >There is nothing to dodge. Why do you dodge this: HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989 The Hunger Argument Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60 million. Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million Human beings in America: 243 million Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20 Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80 Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95 Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99 How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165 Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56 Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16 The Environmental Argument Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 50 times more Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75 Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85 Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S. housecat. Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55 sq.ft. Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year The Cancer Argument Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week vs. less than once a week: 4 times For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times The Natural Resources Argument Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: livestock portion. Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to float a destroyer. Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25 Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500 Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no longer subsidized: 89 dollars Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13 Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260 Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient factory farming of meat: 34.5 Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8 Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present meat-centered diet: 33 The Cholesterol Argument Number of U.S. medical schools: 125 Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30 Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four years in medical school: 25 hours Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc. Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc. Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood cholesterol if it is: normal Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc. The Antibiotic Argument Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55 Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13 Percentage resistant in 1988: 91 Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support The Pesticide Argument Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy products: 23 Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55 Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs. non meat-eating: 35 times higher What USDA tells us: meat is inspected Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004 The Ethical Argument Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000 Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in U.S:slaughterhouse worker Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before slaughter.: 1 cent Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive The Survival Argument Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C. Famous pop stars - vegetarians: ------------------------------- Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting 'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.' --William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3 >Why can't you answer the questions, JoeBob? Why do you >eat a diet that causes the suffering and death of >animals? Why do you think you're fooling anyone by >adopting a goofy name like "Jahnu", when you are >thoroughly born and reared in western civilization as I >am? Why are you such a fake? Contrary to you I have questioned the cocacola culture I grew up in and found it destructive and mind-numbing. www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 04:02:17 GMT, Jonathan Ball
> wrote: >Jahnu wrote: >You're lying; you do. Sorry to disappoint you but nope. >You DO know that your diet >causes animal suffering and death. How would I know that? It is false. >You DO eat rice, >one of the most lethal vegetable crops there is. How is that? >you >DO falsely maintain that you are "virtuous" merely >because you don't eat meat. Nope. I don't. >Why are you lying? Why are you such a gutless coward? Why are you such an obnoxious retard? www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:50:17 GMT, Jonathan Ball
> wrote: >Jahnu wrote: >> Why do you think they are 'supposed'? > >Because what you are calling "ethics" is nothing of the >kind. Your behavior is wholly inconsistent with any >legitimate ethical principles. But I don't eat meat. I am a vegetarian. >> How can it do that when I support keeping cows for their milk? > >That merely makes you grotesquely inconsistent and >hypocritical. Why? I live in a village where the cows are being kept for their milk and nothing else. >Because your refraining from consuming animal parts is >based on a belief that it is wrong for humans to use >animals in that way, but you can't show how the ways in >which you do use animals, and the ways in which you >kill them and cause them to suffer without actually >using them, are morally any better justified than >killing them and eating them. But the meat industry is much worse. What does that make you, mincehead? >Because you refuse to answer direct questions, and >because you hide behind a ****witted pseudonym. Why would I feel compelled to answer baseless questions from an intellectual retard like you? >Your >name is not "Jahnu", and we all know it. Oh, but my name is Jahnu. It was given to me wen I was initiated into the vedic tradition. www.krishna.com www.iskcon.org |
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Jahnu wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:43:16 GMT, Jonathan Ball > > wrote: > > >>Jahnu wrote: > > >>>I don't understand what you mean when you say my vegetarian lifestyle >>>causes animals to suffer and die. >> >>You do know: I have explained it, and Rick has >>explained it. You are lying. >> >>Stop lying, and answer the questions: why do you eat a >>diet that causes animals to suffer and die? > > > As you can see below I don't. The only thing we see below is that you're whiffing off, again. Answer the question, shitface: why do you eat a diet that causes animals to suffer and die? > > >>How much rice do you eat? Why can't you answer this question, ****drip? |
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Jahnu wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:44:06 GMT, Jonathan Ball > > wrote: > > >>Jahnu wrote: > > >>Now stop lying and answer the question: Why do you eat >>a diet that causes animals to suffer and die, asshole? > > > Is this a put on Answer the question, ****drip: why do you eat a diet that causes animals to suffer and die? |
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Some stinking shitwipe whose name is not "Jahnu" wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 04:02:17 GMT, Jonathan Ball > > wrote: > > >>Jahnu wrote: > > >>You're lying; you do. > > > Sorry to disappoint you but nope. > > >>You DO know that your diet >>causes animal suffering and death. > > > How would I know that? It is false. No, it's true. What do you think happens to birds and burrowing animals in a field when a discer chews through 12-16 inches of topsoil? What do you think happens to the rodents trying to get into grain elevators where your grain is stored (they're poisoned, shithead)? You support dairy farming, and dairy cattle are fed hay and silage. Here's what happens in the course of producing hay and silage, MOTHER****ER: http://www.bds.org.uk/Research/Silag...entperrier.htm Why do you eat a diet that causes baby deer to be shredded, MOTHER****ER? > > >>You DO eat rice, >>one of the most lethal vegetable crops there is. > > > How is that? You ignorant, pathetic mother****er - think about it for a couple of dozen years, see if you can figure it out. > > >>you DO falsely maintain that you are "virtuous" merely >>because you don't eat meat. > > > Nope. I don't. Yes, Freddie - what's your real name? - you do. > > >>Why are you lying? Why are you such a gutless coward? |
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Some cocksucker whose name isn't "Jahnu" wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:50:17 GMT, Jonathan Ball > > wrote: > > >>Jahnu wrote: > > >>>Why do you think they are 'supposed'? >> >>Because what you are calling "ethics" is nothing of the >>kind. Your behavior is wholly inconsistent with any >>legitimate ethical principles. > > > But I don't eat meat. I am a vegetarian. Non sequitur. You are not following an ethical principle. You follow a ****witted rule. > > >>>How can it do that when I support keeping cows for their milk? >> >>That merely makes you grotesquely inconsistent and >>hypocritical. > > > Why? I live in a village where the cows are being kept for their milk > and nothing else. You don't live in a village at all, ****head. You are as obviously and laughably an American urban cocksucker as ever lived. Anyway, the food fed to "your" dairy cattle causes this: http://www.bds.org.uk/Research/Silag...entperrier.htm Why do you shred baby deer, ****drip? > > >>Because your refraining from consuming animal parts is >>based on a belief that it is wrong for humans to use >>animals in that way, but you can't show how the ways in >>which you do use animals, and the ways in which you >>kill them and cause them to suffer without actually >>using them, are morally any better justified than >>killing them and eating them. > > > But the meat industry is much worse. False. But we're getting somewhe you now are implicitly admitting you cause animals to suffer and die, which was never in legitimate doubt. Your adoption of a stupid, ****witted dietary rule - "don't consume animal parts" - was done in the false belief that if you don't eat animal parts, you aren't causing animals to suffer and die. You know you ARE causing animals to suffer and die via your diet, EVEN IF you aren't eating any animal parts. Your rule is a dodge. > > >>Because you refuse to answer direct questions, and >>because you hide behind a ****witted pseudonym. > >>Your name is not "Jahnu", and we all know it. > > > Oh, but my name is Jahnu. "Oh", but your name is not "Jahnu". > It was given to me wen I was initiated into > the vedic tradition. You are as western as you ever were, ****head. Your flim-flam, ego-driven adoption of whatever "tradition" you like can't erase the fact that you are as western as you ever were. You're a fraud - a panhandling, unproductive, lying fraud. I'll be sure to spit on the grinning shaved-head rag-wearers the next time I go through the airport. |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:18:52 GMT, Jonathan Ball > wrote:
> >You don't live in a village at all, ****head. You are >as obviously and laughably an American urban cocksucker >as ever lived. Anyway, the food fed to "your" dairy >cattle causes this: >http://www.bds.org.uk/Research/Silag...entperrier.htm > >Why do you shred baby deer, ****drip? > Unless he eats silage, I guess you can't really accuse him of being responsible for that deer. Throw again, Jon. |
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No need for jonnie's hatred
Jonathan Ball wrote: <snip> > I'll be sure to spit on the > grinning shaved-head rag-wearers the next time I go through the airport. Can anyone doubt where the hatred is in this exchange? Jonnie and rick are both brimming with it, for no reason I can understand. Maybe they're emulating their guru, Rush, in his overwhelming hypocrisy. Rat (chuckling at Limbaugh's wailing about invasion of his "right to privacy" and defense by the ACLU. ) |
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