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On 7/10/2012 1:02 PM, dh@. wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 10:08:25 -0700, Bob Casanova > wrote: > >> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 13:14:14 -0400, the following appeared >> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >> >>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 10:11:01 -0700, Bob Casanova > wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:24:20 -0400, the following appeared >>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by Olrik >: >>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT), Rupert > >>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 2, 9:31 am, Delvin Benet ıt> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> There is nothing inherently unethical about eating meat. >>>> >>>>>>> Modern meat production inflicts considerable suffering on animals. >>>> >>>>> I want pigs to lead a stupendously happy life until they become bacon. >>>> >>>> Same here. And apparently Rupert is locked into the same >>>> error as David, since his reply is a non sequitur. >>> >>> Rupert believes that almost all livestock live terrible lives which are of >>> negative value to the animals. Sometimes he seems to believe that some grass >>> raised cattle might possibly experience lives which are of positive value to >>> them, but other times he appears to believe no livestock live lives of positive >>> value. BTW he can't comprehend the meaning of lives of positive value and can >>> only think of it as "good", even though I've explained to him that life can be >>> of positive value to a being without actually being "good". >> >> Maybe the reason he "can't comprehend it" is the fact that >> "positive value", "good", "negative value" and "bad" are all >> subjective value judgements, and as such have no intrinsic >> meaning, something he appears to know and you don't. > > In contrast to that No. "Getting to experience life" is of no meaning or value to animals. |
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