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On 1/15/2013 12:44 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:13:43 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:39:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, probably Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF "Bob" is not you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known George to be that honest in over a dozen years of >>>>>>>>>>> reading his lies, that's some evidence you're not George. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you want people to think is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fact that you think there's some >>>>>>>>>> nebulous "benefit" in being born with a painful . . . A short life of nothing but pain >>>>>>>>>> isn't a "benefit". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is yet more evidence that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Explain how you want people to think you >>>>>> >>>>>> No need; anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>>>> >>>>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>>>> trying to educate you. >>>>> >>>>> You have nothing to teach. >>>> >>>> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. >>> >>> How do you want us to think that >> >> Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit, *Goo*. You know it, too. > > Making that claim Making that observation of demonstrated *fact*, ****wit, shoots your stupid story to pieces. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:38 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:07:21 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:13 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:36 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:07 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:32 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:17:44 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:15:18 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>>>> considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>>>> ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's meaningless drivel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We've seen that it's >>>>>> >>>>>> Nothing but meaningless drivel - pure bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> What group of people other than eliminationists >>>> >>>> Everyone knows your "getting to experience life" nonsense is bullshit - >>>> meaningless drivel. Everyone. >>> >>> ONLY eliminationists have >> >> *Every* thinking person feels that way. > > I have no reason to avoid considering the lives of the chickens You have no reason *TO* consider those lives as morally meaningful, *Goo* - and in fact, you don't. Proved. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:44 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:13:43 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:39:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, probably Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF "Bob" is not you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known George to be that honest in over a dozen years of >>>>>>>>>>> reading his lies, that's some evidence you're not George. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you want people to think is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fact that you think there's some >>>>>>>>>> nebulous "benefit" in being born with a painful . . . A short life of nothing but pain >>>>>>>>>> isn't a "benefit". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is yet more evidence that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Explain how you want people to think you >>>>>> >>>>>> No need;anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>>>> >>>>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>>>> trying to educate you. >>>>> >>>>> You have nothing to teach. >>>> >>>> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. >>> >>> How do you want us to think that >> Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit > > Making that claim favors elimination ONLY Goober, and you can't even pretend > it in any way favors AW. > |
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On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:36 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:07 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:32 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:17:44 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:15:18 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>> considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>> ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's meaningless drivel. >>>>> >>>>> We've seen that it's t >>>> >>>> Nothing but meaningless drivel - pure bullshit. >>> >>> What group of people other than eliminationists >> >> Everyone knows your "getting to experience life" nonsense is bullshit - >> meaningless drivel. Everyone. > > ONLY eliminationists have reason to feel that way *Every* thinking person feels that way. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit > David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* >> - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit >>> David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton beat >>>>> ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison >>>>>> - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, >>>>>> lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton beat >>>>>>> ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>> Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding >>>>>>>> fighting dogs, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>> beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [crap] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>> experience life" nonsense was bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>> >>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to >>>>>> experience life" bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!! >>>> >>>> LOL!!!!!! >>> >>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >> experience life" story is bullshit. >> >> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't derive >> the benefit of getting to live > > How do you think he disagrees James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" gibberish is bullshit. Not in doubt. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:44 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:13:43 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:39:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, probably Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF "Bob" is not you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known George to be that honest in over a dozen years of >>>>>>>>>>> reading his lies, that's some evidence you're not George. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you want people to think is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fact that you think there's some >>>>>>>>>> nebulous "benefit" in being born with a painful . . . A short life of nothing but pain >>>>>>>>>> isn't a "benefit". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is yet more evidence that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Explain how you want people to think you >>>>>> >>>>>> No need;anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>>>> >>>>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>>>> trying to educate you. >>>>> >>>>> You have nothing to teach. >>>> >>>> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. >>> >>> How do you want us to think that >> Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit > > Making that claim favors elimination ONLY Goober, and you can't even pretend > it in any way favors AW. > |
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On 1/15/2013 12:34 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Why do >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>> >>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>> >>> How do you think he >>> >> >> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >> gibberish is bullshit. > > They do live No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you so...as did Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois Bowhunter, and Sue Bishop. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:34 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Why do >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>> >>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>> >>> How do you think he >>> >> >> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >> gibberish is bullshit. > > They do live No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you so...as did Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois Bowhunter, and Sue Bishop. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, dh@. wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:31:25 -0500, dh@. wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:58:56 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> While there definitely are people who are outliers and unconventional thinkers, >>>> I believe there are probably more who consciously want to conform to the social >>>> and (huh) intellectual norms of their communities. ****wit David Harrison is >>>> one of those. I think American national culture generally has a hostility to >>>> intellectual endeavor, but that unhelpful tradition is certainly strongest in >>>> the south. It's not at all remarkable that a Republican candidate in Georgia >>>> for the House of Representatives, Paul Broun - a medical doctor, no less - said, >>>> "I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and >>>> embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell." >>>> Now, I'm sure that sentiment is shared by some people all over the US, but we >>>> would expect to hear of someone in Georgia saying it. >>>> >>>> ****wit is exactly like that. . . but he tries to put >>>> some kind of "agnostic" gloss on it. >>> >>> I'm a weak agnostic >> No, you are not. You are an ardent true-believing stupid knuckle-dragging >> Southern Baptist. You absolutely believe in the Southern Baptist - that is, >> stupid and illiterate - conception of "god". > > You're a strong atheist I'm a weak or "negative" atheist. No "faith" involved. |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, Goo wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, dh@. wrote: > >>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, Goo wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, Goo agreed: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, Goo lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, Goo lied extremely blatantly: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Why do some people on one hand call for the extinction of a species >>>>>>>>>>>>>>while on the other hand lamenting the extinction of another? Are they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>not all equal?" - James Hepler >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>>>>>>>considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>>>>>>>ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! A guy who asked "are they not all equal" supposedly is opposed to >>>>>>>>>>taking them into consideration. HILARIOUS! You are such a stupid Goober, Goo. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you think he disagrees with himself then Goo? Also Goober, which >>>>>>animals or beings of any kind do you want us to think don't derive the benefit >>>>>>of getting to live, and why? Do you think any creatures DO derive the benefit of >>>>>>getting to live Goob, and if so what do you think is the distinction between >>>>>>them and livestock animals who you claim don't, do you have any idea? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>>>gibberish is bullshit. >>>> >>>> They do live Goo. Billions of them. Some of them have lives of positive >>>>value and some of negative value, but you people can't appreciate or even >>>>acknowledge the difference. >>> >>>No moral meaning to that >> >> Not to YOU Goo, but it has much meaning to people who honestly favor decent >>AW over elimination. > >It has no meaning Goo people who honestly believe decent AW is ethically equivalent or superior to elimination have no reason to oppose taking those same lives and potential lives into consideration, you stupid STUPID Goober. |
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On 1/21/2013 3:05 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you think >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>>>> gibberish is bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> They do live >>>> >>>> No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you so...as did >>>> Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois Bowhunter, >>>> and Sue Bishop. >>> >>> Not to YOU >> >> It has no meaning, period - zero. > > people who honestly believe decent AW The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning to anyone, *Goo*. That's just a fact - an indisputable fact. |
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On 1/21/2013 3:05 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you think >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>>>> gibberish is bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> They do live >>>> >>>> No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you so...as did >>>> Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois Bowhunter, >>>> and Sue Bishop. >>> >>> Not to YOU >> >> It has no meaning, period - zero. > > people who honestly believe decent AW The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning to anyone, *Goo*. That's just a fact - an indisputable fact. |
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On 1/21/2013 3:05 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you think >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>>>> gibberish is bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> They do live >>>> >>>> No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you so...as did >>>> Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois Bowhunter, >>>> and Sue Bishop. >>> >>> Not to YOU >> >> It has no meaning, period - zero. > > people who honestly believe decent AW The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning to anyone, *Goo*. That's just a fact - an indisputable fact. |
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:25:25 -0800, Goo wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:05:48 -0500, dh@. wrote: > >>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, Goo wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>> >>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, Goo agreed: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, Goo lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, Goo lied extremely blatantly: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Why do some people on one hand call for the extinction of a species >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>while on the other hand lamenting the extinction of another? Are they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not all equal?" - James Hepler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>>>bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! A guy who asked "are they not all equal" supposedly is opposed to >>>>>>>>>>>>taking them into consideration. HILARIOUS! You are such a stupid Goober, Goo. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>>>experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How do you think he disagrees with himself then Goo? Also Goober, which >>>>>>>>animals or beings of any kind do you want us to think don't derive the benefit >>>>>>>>of getting to live, and why? Do you think any creatures DO derive the benefit of >>>>>>>>getting to live Goob, and if so what do you think is the distinction between >>>>>>>>them and livestock animals who you claim don't, do you have any idea? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>gibberish is bullshit. >>>>>> >>>>>> They do live Goo. Billions of them. Some of them have lives of positive >>>>>>value and some of negative value, but you people can't appreciate or even >>>>>>acknowledge the difference. >>>>> >>>>>No moral meaning to that >>>> >>>> Not to YOU Goo, but it has much meaning to people who honestly favor decent >>>>AW over elimination. >>> >>>It has no meaning >> >> Goo people who honestly believe decent AW is ethically equivalent or >>superior to elimination have no reason to oppose taking those same lives and >>potential lives into consideration, you stupid STUPID Goober. > >The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning Of course it does Goo, and the fact that you have no clue how much it has is something else that exposes you. |
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On 1/22/2013 3:37 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On 1/21/2013 7:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On 1/21/2013 3:05 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon >> for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - >>>> convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* >>>>>> - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get >>>>>>>>>> to live" >>>>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How do you think >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>> gibberish is bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They do live >>>>>> >>>>>> No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you so...as did >>>>>> Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois >>>>>> Bowhunter, >>>>>> and Sue Bishop. >>>>> >>>>> Not to YOU >>>> >>>> It has no meaning, period - zero. >>> >>> people who honestly believe decent AW >> >> The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning to anyone, >> *Goo*. That's just a fact - an indisputable fact. > > Of course it does No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*. Everyone knows it - including you. You're just being pig-shit stubborn and stupid again. |
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:15:24 -0800, Goo wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:37:23 -0500, dh@. wrote: > >>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:25:25 -0800, Goo wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:05:48 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, Goo agreed: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, Goo lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, Goo lied extremely blatantly: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Why do some people on one hand call for the extinction of a species >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>while on the other hand lamenting the extinction of another? Are they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not all equal?" - James Hepler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! A guy who asked "are they not all equal" supposedly is opposed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>taking them into consideration. HILARIOUS! You are such a stupid Goober, Goo. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>>>>>experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How do you think he disagrees with himself then Goo? Also Goober, which >>>>>>>>>>animals or beings of any kind do you want us to think don't derive the benefit >>>>>>>>>>of getting to live, and why? Do you think any creatures DO derive the benefit of >>>>>>>>>>getting to live Goob, and if so what do you think is the distinction between >>>>>>>>>>them and livestock animals who you claim don't, do you have any idea? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>>>gibberish is bullshit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They do live Goo. Billions of them. Some of them have lives of positive >>>>>>>>value and some of negative value, but you people can't appreciate or even >>>>>>>>acknowledge the difference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No moral meaning to that >>>>>> >>>>>> Not to YOU Goo, but it has much meaning to people who honestly favor decent >>>>>>AW over elimination. >>>>> >>>>>It has no meaning >>>> >>>> Goo people who honestly believe decent AW is ethically equivalent or >>>>superior to elimination have no reason to oppose taking those same lives and >>>>potential lives into consideration, you stupid STUPID Goober. >>> >>>The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning >> >> Of course it does Goo, and the fact that you have no clue how much it has is >>something else that exposes you. > >No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*. Everyone knows it - >including you. It certainly has as much or more than their deaths Goob. ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose considering the animals' lives, Goo. |
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On 1/28/2013 3:56 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On 1/22/2013 7:15 PM, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On 1/22/2013 3:37 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon >> for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On 1/21/2013 7:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/21/2013 3:05 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon >>>> for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - >>>>>> convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* >>>>>>>> - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get >>>>>>>>>>>> to live" >>>>>>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals >>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How do you think >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>>>> gibberish is bullshit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They do live >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you >>>>>>>> so...as did >>>>>>>> Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois >>>>>>>> Bowhunter, >>>>>>>> and Sue Bishop. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not to YOU >>>>>> >>>>>> It has no meaning, period - zero. >>>>> >>>>> people who honestly believe decent AW >>>> >>>> The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning to anyone, >>>> *Goo*. That's just a fact - an indisputable fact. >>> >>> Of course it does >> >> No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*. Everyone knows it - >> including you. You're just being pig-shit stubborn and stupid again. > > It certainly has as much or more than their deaths No, it does not. It has *NO* meaning at all, *Goo* - zero. Their deaths *do* have some meaning, because ending a life is morally troubling. Changing the course of action so that some animal lives don't happen is meaningless, *to the animals*. It *cannot* have any meaning to the animals that are not going to exist, ****wit. |
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Dietary ethics
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:21:15 -0800, Goo wrote:
>On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:56:01 -0500, dh@. wrote: > >>On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:15:24 -0800, Goo wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:37:23 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:25:25 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:05:48 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, Goo agreed: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, Goo lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, Goo lied extremely blatantly: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Why do some people on one hand call for the extinction of a species >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>while on the other hand lamenting the extinction of another? Are they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not all equal?" - James Hepler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! A guy who asked "are they not all equal" supposedly is opposed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>taking them into consideration. HILARIOUS! You are such a stupid Goober, Goo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you think he disagrees with himself then Goo? Also Goober, which >>>>>>>>>>>>animals or beings of any kind do you want us to think don't derive the benefit >>>>>>>>>>>>of getting to live, and why? Do you think any creatures DO derive the benefit of >>>>>>>>>>>>getting to live Goob, and if so what do you think is the distinction between >>>>>>>>>>>>them and livestock animals who you claim don't, do you have any idea? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>>>>>gibberish is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They do live Goo. Billions of them. Some of them have lives of positive >>>>>>>>>>value and some of negative value, but you people can't appreciate or even >>>>>>>>>>acknowledge the difference. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>No moral meaning to that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not to YOU Goo, but it has much meaning to people who honestly favor decent >>>>>>>>AW over elimination. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It has no meaning >>>>>> >>>>>> Goo people who honestly believe decent AW is ethically equivalent or >>>>>>superior to elimination have no reason to oppose taking those same lives and >>>>>>potential lives into consideration, you stupid STUPID Goober. >>>>> >>>>>The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning >>>> >>>> Of course it does Goo, and the fact that you have no clue how much it has is >>>>something else that exposes you. >>> >>>No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*. Everyone knows it - >>>including you. >> >> It certainly has as much or more than their deaths Goob. ONLY >>eliminationists have reason to oppose considering the animals' lives, Goo. > >No, it does not. It has *NO* meaning at all It sure does Goob and ONLY eliminationists are in a position to be unable to appreciate the fact. And then ONLY the very stupid eliminationists are unable to recognise the meaning at all. The more intelligent ones would recognise it even if they were not able to appreciate it, as most likely no eliminationists are or they would be AW advocates instead of eliminationists, Goo. >, *Goo* - zero. Their >deaths *do* have some meaning, because ending a life is morally >troubling. LOL!!! It's hilarious in the most pathetic of ways that you find ending something you consider to be meaningless also morally troubling, Goo. LOL...what a true Goober you are Goob. >Changing the course of action so that some animal lives >don't happen is meaningless That part we know you can comprehend Goo, but how it has meaning when they DO LIVE is one of the aspects you people are unable to appreciate and some of you can't even comprehend. |
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Dietary ethics
On 1/30/2013 12:13 PM, dh@. wrote:
> On 1/28/2013 4:21 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 1/28/2013 3:56 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon >> for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On 1/22/2013 7:15 PM, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/22/2013 3:37 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon >>>> for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On 1/21/2013 7:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/21/2013 3:05 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon >>>>>> for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - >>>>>>>> convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* >>>>>>>>>> - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you think >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to >>>>>>>>>>>> live" >>>>>>>>>>>> gibberish is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They do live >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you >>>>>>>>>> so...as did >>>>>>>>>> Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois >>>>>>>>>> Bowhunter, >>>>>>>>>> and Sue Bishop. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not to YOU >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It has no meaning, period - zero. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> people who honestly believe decent AW >>>>>> >>>>>> The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning to >>>>>> anyone, >>>>>> *Goo*. That's just a fact - an indisputable fact. >>>>> >>>>> Of course it does >>>> >>>> No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*. Everyone knows it - >>>> including you. You're just being pig-shit stubborn and stupid again. >>> >>> It certainly has as much or more than their deaths >> >> No, it does not. It has *NO* meaning at all > > It sure does and No. It has no meaning at all, *Goo*. > >> *Goo* - zero. Their >> deaths *do* have some meaning, because ending a life is morally >> troubling. > > It's hilarious in the No, *Goo*. The fact they "get to experience life" has no meaning, *Goo* - you have admitted it, *Goo* - and *THEREFORE*, *Goo*, if they never live at all, that has no meaning, either. None. > >> Changing the course of action so that some animal lives >> don't happen is meaningless< *to the animals*. It *cannot* have any >> meaning to the animals that are not going to exist, ****wit. > > but how it has meaning when they DO LIVE It doesn't. "Getting to experience life" has no meaning "to the animals", *Goo*. There is nothing to consider about what's important "to the animals", *Goo* In all this time, *Goo* - over 14 years - you have not been able to say what is important "to the animals" about "getting to experience life", because *nothing* is important about it, and *THEREFORE*, there is nothing to consider. You were done over 14 years ago, *Goo* - why have you wasted all this time fighting a lost cause? |
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Dietary ethics
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:25:12 -0800, Goo wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:13:46 -0500, dh@. wrote: > >>On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:21:15 -0800, Goo wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:56:01 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>> >>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:15:24 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:37:23 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:25:25 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:05:48 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, Goo agreed: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, Goo lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, Goo lied extremely blatantly: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Why do some people on one hand call for the extinction of a species >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>while on the other hand lamenting the extinction of another? Are they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not all equal?" - James Hepler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! A guy who asked "are they not all equal" supposedly is opposed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>taking them into consideration. HILARIOUS! You are such a stupid Goober, Goo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you think he disagrees with himself then Goo? Also Goober, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>animals or beings of any kind do you want us to think don't derive the benefit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>of getting to live, and why? Do you think any creatures DO derive the benefit of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>getting to live Goob, and if so what do you think is the distinction between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>them and livestock animals who you claim don't, do you have any idea? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>>>>>>>gibberish is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They do live Goo. Billions of them. Some of them have lives of positive >>>>>>>>>>>>value and some of negative value, but you people can't appreciate or even >>>>>>>>>>>>acknowledge the difference. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>No moral meaning to that >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not to YOU Goo, but it has much meaning to people who honestly favor decent >>>>>>>>>>AW over elimination. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It has no meaning >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Goo people who honestly believe decent AW is ethically equivalent or >>>>>>>>superior to elimination have no reason to oppose taking those same lives and >>>>>>>>potential lives into consideration, you stupid STUPID Goober. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course it does Goo, and the fact that you have no clue how much it has is >>>>>>something else that exposes you. >>>>> >>>>>No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*. Everyone knows it - >>>>>including you. >>>> >>>> It certainly has as much or more than their deaths Goob. ONLY >>>>eliminationists have reason to oppose considering the animals' lives, Goo. >>> >>>No, it does not. It has *NO* meaning at all >> >> It sure does Goob and ONLY eliminationists are in a position to be unable to >>appreciate the fact. And then ONLY the very stupid eliminationists are unable to >>recognise the meaning at all. The more intelligent ones would recognise it even >>if they were not able to appreciate it, as most likely no eliminationists are or >>they would be AW advocates instead of eliminationists, Goo. >> >>>, *Goo* - zero. Their >>>deaths *do* have some meaning, because ending a life is morally >>>troubling. >> >> LOL!!! It's hilarious in the most pathetic of ways that you find ending >>something you consider to be meaningless also morally troubling, Goo. LOL...what >>a true Goober you are Goob. >> >>>Changing the course of action so that some animal lives >>>don't happen is meaningless >> >> That part we know you can comprehend Goo, but how it has meaning when they >>DO LIVE is one of the aspects you people are unable to appreciate and some of >>you can't even comprehend. > >It doesn't. "Getting to experience life" has no meaning "to the >animals" In contrast to that seemingly idiotic claim, it has the meaning of everything they ever experience both good and bad afawk, Goo. |
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Dietary ethics
On 2/4/2013 4:13 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On 1/30/2013 1:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 1/30/2013 12:13 PM, dh@. wrote: >>>> On 1/28/2013 3:56 PM,****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon >>>> for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On 1/22/2013 7:15 PM, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/22/2013 3:37 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon >>>>>> for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/21/2013 7:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/21/2013 3:05 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted >>>>>>>> felon >>>>>>>> for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - >>>>>>>>>> convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* >>>>>>>>>>>> - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> live" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibberish is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> They do live >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you >>>>>>>>>>>> so...as did >>>>>>>>>>>> Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois >>>>>>>>>>>> Bowhunter, >>>>>>>>>>>> and Sue Bishop. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not to YOU >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It has no meaning, period - zero. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> people who honestly believe decent AW >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning to >>>>>>>> anyone, >>>>>>>> *Goo*. That's just a fact - an indisputable fact. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course it does >>>>>> >>>>>> No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*. Everyone knows it - >>>>>> including you. You're just being pig-shit stubborn and stupid again. >>>>> >>>>> It certainly has as much or more than their deaths >>>> >>>> No, it does not. It has *NO* meaning at all >>> >>> It sure does and >> >> No. It has no meaning at all, *Goo*. >> >> >>> >>>> *Goo* - zero. Their >>>> deaths *do* have some meaning, because ending a life is morally >>>> troubling. >>> >>> It's hilarious in the >> >> No, *Goo*. >> >> The fact they "get to experience life" has no meaning, *Goo* - you have >> admitted it, *Goo* - and *THEREFORE*, *Goo*, if they never live at all, >> that has no meaning, either. None. >> >> >>> >>>> Changing the course of action so that some animal lives >>>> don't happen is meaningless< *to the animals*. It *cannot* have any >>>> meaning to the animals that are not going to exist, ****wit. >>> >>> but how it has meaning when they DO LIVE >> >> It doesn't. "Getting to experience life" has no meaning "to the >> animals", *Goo*. There is nothing to consider about what's important >> "to the animals", *Goo* >> >> In all this time, *Goo* - over 14 years - you have not been able to say >> what is important "to the animals" about "getting to experience life", >> because *nothing* is important about it, and *THEREFORE*, there is >> nothing to consider. You were done over 14 years ago, *Goo* - why have >> you wasted all this time fighting a lost cause? > > In contrast to that No, *Goo*. There is no "contrast" - LOL!!!! - at all. You have never been able to say what is important "to the animals" about "getting to experience life", because *nothing* is important about it. *BECAUSE* there is no importance to it, *Goo*, there's nothing to consider. You were done before you ever tried to learn to post to Usenet, *Goo*. |
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Dietary ethics
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 18:28:23 -0800, Goo wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 19:13:38 -0500, dh@. wrote: > >>On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:25:12 -0800, Goo wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:13:46 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:21:15 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:56:01 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:15:24 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:37:23 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:25:25 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:05:48 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, Goo agreed: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, Goo lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, Goo lied extremely blatantly: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Why do some people on one hand call for the extinction of a species >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>while on the other hand lamenting the extinction of another? Are they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not all equal?" - James Hepler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! A guy who asked "are they not all equal" supposedly is opposed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>taking them into consideration. HILARIOUS! You are such a stupid Goober, Goo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you think he disagrees with himself then Goo? Also Goober, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>animals or beings of any kind do you want us to think don't derive the benefit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of getting to live, and why? Do you think any creatures DO derive the benefit of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>getting to live Goob, and if so what do you think is the distinction between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them and livestock animals who you claim don't, do you have any idea? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gibberish is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They do live Goo. Billions of them. Some of them have lives of positive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>value and some of negative value, but you people can't appreciate or even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>acknowledge the difference. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>No moral meaning to that >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not to YOU Goo, but it has much meaning to people who honestly favor decent >>>>>>>>>>>>AW over elimination. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>It has no meaning >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Goo people who honestly believe decent AW is ethically equivalent or >>>>>>>>>>superior to elimination have no reason to oppose taking those same lives and >>>>>>>>>>potential lives into consideration, you stupid STUPID Goober. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course it does Goo, and the fact that you have no clue how much it has is >>>>>>>>something else that exposes you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*. Everyone knows it - >>>>>>>including you. >>>>>> >>>>>> It certainly has as much or more than their deaths Goob. ONLY >>>>>>eliminationists have reason to oppose considering the animals' lives, Goo. >>>>> >>>>>No, it does not. It has *NO* meaning at all >>>> >>>> It sure does Goob and ONLY eliminationists are in a position to be unable to >>>>appreciate the fact. And then ONLY the very stupid eliminationists are unable to >>>>recognise the meaning at all. The more intelligent ones would recognise it even >>>>if they were not able to appreciate it, as most likely no eliminationists are or >>>>they would be AW advocates instead of eliminationists, Goo. >>>> >>>>>, *Goo* - zero. Their >>>>>deaths *do* have some meaning, because ending a life is morally >>>>>troubling. >>>> >>>> LOL!!! It's hilarious in the most pathetic of ways that you find ending >>>>something you consider to be meaningless also morally troubling, Goo. LOL...what >>>>a true Goober you are Goob. >>>> >>>>>Changing the course of action so that some animal lives >>>>>don't happen is meaningless >>>> >>>> That part we know you can comprehend Goo, but how it has meaning when they >>>>DO LIVE is one of the aspects you people are unable to appreciate and some of >>>>you can't even comprehend. >>> >>>It doesn't. "Getting to experience life" has no meaning "to the >>>animals" >> >> In contrast to that seemingly idiotic claim, it has the meaning of >>everything they ever experience both good and bad afawk, Goo. > >No It obviously necessarily does Goob. What do you think you could possibly gain by stupidly and blatantly lying that it doesn't, Goo? |
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On 2/6/2013 11:31 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On 2/4/2013 6:28 PM, George Plimpton wrote: >> On 2/4/2013 4:13 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon >> for dog fighting, lied: >>> On 1/30/2013 1:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 1/30/2013 12:13 PM, >>> dh@. wrote: >>>>>> On 1/28/2013 3:56 PM,****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon >>>>>> for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/22/2013 7:15 PM, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/22/2013 3:37 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted >>>>>>>> felon >>>>>>>> for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2013 7:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2013 3:05 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted >>>>>>>>>> felon >>>>>>>>>> for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - >>>>>>>>>>>> convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibberish is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They do live >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so...as did >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowhunter, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Sue Bishop. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to YOU >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It has no meaning, period - zero. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> people who honestly believe decent AW >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning to >>>>>>>>>> anyone, >>>>>>>>>> *Goo*. That's just a fact - an indisputable fact. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course it does >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*. Everyone knows it - >>>>>>>> including you. You're just being pig-shit stubborn and stupid >>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It certainly has as much or more than their deaths >>>>>> >>>>>> No, it does not. It has *NO* meaning at all >>>>> >>>>> It sure does and >>>> >>>> No. It has no meaning at all, *Goo*. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> *Goo* - zero. Their >>>>>> deaths *do* have some meaning, because ending a life is morally >>>>>> troubling. >>>>> >>>>> It's hilarious in the >>>> >>>> No, *Goo*. >>>> >>>> The fact they "get to experience life" has no meaning, *Goo* - you have >>>> admitted it, *Goo* - and *THEREFORE*, *Goo*, if they never live at all, >>>> that has no meaning, either. None. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Changing the course of action so that some animal lives >>>>>> don't happen is meaningless< *to the animals*. It *cannot* have any >>>>>> meaning to the animals that are not going to exist, ****wit. >>>>> >>>>> but how it has meaning when they DO LIVE >>>> >>>> It doesn't. "Getting to experience life" has no meaning "to the >>>> animals", *Goo*. There is nothing to consider about what's important >>>> "to the animals", *Goo* >>>> >>>> In all this time, *Goo* - over 14 years - you have not been able to say >>>> what is important "to the animals" about "getting to experience life", >>>> because *nothing* is important about it, and *THEREFORE*, there is >>>> nothing to consider. You were done over 14 years ago, *Goo* - why have >>>> you wasted all this time fighting a lost cause? >>> >>> In contrast to that >> >> No, *Goo*. There is no "contrast" - LOL!!!! - at all. You have never >> been able to say what is important "to the animals" about "getting to >> experience life", because *nothing* is important about it. *BECAUSE* >> there is no importance to it, *Goo*, there's nothing to consider. >> >> You were done before you ever tried to learn to post to Usenet, *Goo*. > > It obviously necessarily does No, *Goo* - there is nothing to consider, *Goo*, and you haven't even come *close* to trying to say what might be worth consideration. The whole thing has been a *FAILURE*, Goo - you have failed to make any kind of case against "vegans". |
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On 1/21/2013 3:05 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you think >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>>>> gibberish is bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> They do live >>>> >>>> No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you so...as did >>>> Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois Bowhunter, >>>> and Sue Bishop. >>> >>> Not to YOU >> >> It has no meaning, period - zero. > > people who honestly believe decent AW The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning to anyone, *Goo*. That's just a fact - an indisputable fact. |
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