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On 08/16/2013 03:54 AM, Dale wrote:
> I am currently a vegetarian that drinks milk and infrequently eats eggs > > I was told chicken eggs are non-fertile > > my current diet is > > meal 1) whey protein/nut bar and milk and orange juice > meal 2) two whole wheat cheese sandwiches > meal 3) a can of corn or peas > meal 4) a roll of crackers and orange juice > > I would like to go vegan, since I seem to think that milk and cheese > might come from animals that are mistreated all their lives > > I can replace the milk with soy milk > > I don't have to eat the eggs > > I have various leather things, a belt and shoes are the only ones I am > using and will replace them with non-leather when I need to with cheap > non-leather alternatives > > but I need something to replace the cheese with that I don't have to > cook and is inexpensive, as you see my diet is cheap, and that I can > find in a regular USA grocery store, I don't want to travel far due to > gas costs > > once in awhile I treat myself to MacDonald's fries, pizza or vegetarian > Chinese, I like Indian but it is more expensive and further away > > I can do without the pizza since it has cheese > > any ideas? > > well this is what I did got soy milk replaced cheese with a pure peanut butter all at one of my local grocers I'm now going to have to check my protein bars to see whether they use soy or whey protein, pause, looks like they have whey so I'll have to do something there I hear the milk and cheese products in my area (Schneider's and Turner's) treat the cows well don't know about an occasional pizza don't know about an occasional egg McMuffin don't know whether it is better karma to throw out what I currently have or finish it up, any ideas? -- Dale |
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Dale > wrote:
>don't know whether it is better karma to throw out what I currently have >or finish it up, any ideas? I would think it'd just be wasteful to throw it out. -- Joel Crump |
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Le 2013-08-16 19:10, Dale a écrit :
> On 08/16/2013 03:54 AM, Dale wrote: >> I am currently a vegetarian that drinks milk and infrequently eats eggs >> >> I was told chicken eggs are non-fertile >> >> my current diet is >> >> meal 1) whey protein/nut bar and milk and orange juice >> meal 2) two whole wheat cheese sandwiches >> meal 3) a can of corn or peas >> meal 4) a roll of crackers and orange juice >> >> I would like to go vegan, since I seem to think that milk and cheese >> might come from animals that are mistreated all their lives >> >> I can replace the milk with soy milk >> >> I don't have to eat the eggs >> >> I have various leather things, a belt and shoes are the only ones I am >> using and will replace them with non-leather when I need to with cheap >> non-leather alternatives >> >> but I need something to replace the cheese with that I don't have to >> cook and is inexpensive, as you see my diet is cheap, and that I can >> find in a regular USA grocery store, I don't want to travel far due to >> gas costs >> >> once in awhile I treat myself to MacDonald's fries, pizza or vegetarian >> Chinese, I like Indian but it is more expensive and further away >> >> I can do without the pizza since it has cheese >> >> any ideas? >> >> > > well this is what I did > > got soy milk > > replaced cheese with a pure peanut butter > > all at one of my local grocers > > I'm now going to have to check my protein bars to see whether they use > soy or whey protein, pause, looks like they have whey > > so I'll have to do something there > > I hear the milk and cheese products in my area (Schneider's and > Turner's) treat the cows well > > don't know about an occasional pizza > > don't know about an occasional egg McMuffin > > don't know whether it is better karma to throw out what I currently have > or finish it up, any ideas? Humans are omnivores. Eat what you want. Don't fuss over it. In the immortal words of Michael Pollan: “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.” -- Olrik aa #1981 EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division |
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On 8/16/2013 11:24 PM, Olrik wrote:
> Le 2013-08-16 19:10, Dale a écrit : >> On 08/16/2013 03:54 AM, Dale wrote: >>> I am currently a vegetarian that drinks milk and infrequently eats >>> eggs >>> >>> I was told chicken eggs are non-fertile >>> >>> my current diet is >>> >>> meal 1) whey protein/nut bar and milk and orange juice >>> meal 2) two whole wheat cheese sandwiches >>> meal 3) a can of corn or peas >>> meal 4) a roll of crackers and orange juice >>> >>> I would like to go vegan, since I seem to think that milk and cheese >>> might come from animals that are mistreated all their lives >>> >>> I can replace the milk with soy milk >>> >>> I don't have to eat the eggs >>> >>> I have various leather things, a belt and shoes are the only ones I am >>> using and will replace them with non-leather when I need to with cheap >>> non-leather alternatives >>> >>> but I need something to replace the cheese with that I don't have to >>> cook and is inexpensive, as you see my diet is cheap, and that I can >>> find in a regular USA grocery store, I don't want to travel far due to >>> gas costs >>> >>> once in awhile I treat myself to MacDonald's fries, pizza or >>> vegetarian >>> Chinese, I like Indian but it is more expensive and further away >>> >>> I can do without the pizza since it has cheese >>> >>> any ideas? >>> >>> >> >> well this is what I did >> >> got soy milk >> >> replaced cheese with a pure peanut butter >> >> all at one of my local grocers >> >> I'm now going to have to check my protein bars to see whether they use >> soy or whey protein, pause, looks like they have whey >> >> so I'll have to do something there >> >> I hear the milk and cheese products in my area (Schneider's and >> Turner's) treat the cows well >> >> don't know about an occasional pizza >> >> don't know about an occasional egg McMuffin >> >> don't know whether it is better karma to throw out what I currently >> have >> or finish it up, any ideas? > > Humans are omnivores. Eat what you want. Don't fuss over it. > > In the immortal words of Michael Pollan: > > “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.” > > Rice and beans on Monday. Beans and rice on Tuesday. Repeat. |
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Le 2013-08-17 00:43, Dakota a écrit :
> On 8/16/2013 11:24 PM, Olrik wrote: >> Le 2013-08-16 19:10, Dale a écrit : >>> On 08/16/2013 03:54 AM, Dale wrote: >>>> I am currently a vegetarian that drinks milk and infrequently eats >>>> eggs >>>> >>>> I was told chicken eggs are non-fertile >>>> >>>> my current diet is >>>> >>>> meal 1) whey protein/nut bar and milk and orange juice >>>> meal 2) two whole wheat cheese sandwiches >>>> meal 3) a can of corn or peas >>>> meal 4) a roll of crackers and orange juice >>>> >>>> I would like to go vegan, since I seem to think that milk and cheese >>>> might come from animals that are mistreated all their lives >>>> >>>> I can replace the milk with soy milk >>>> >>>> I don't have to eat the eggs >>>> >>>> I have various leather things, a belt and shoes are the only ones I am >>>> using and will replace them with non-leather when I need to with cheap >>>> non-leather alternatives >>>> >>>> but I need something to replace the cheese with that I don't have to >>>> cook and is inexpensive, as you see my diet is cheap, and that I can >>>> find in a regular USA grocery store, I don't want to travel far due to >>>> gas costs >>>> >>>> once in awhile I treat myself to MacDonald's fries, pizza or >>>> vegetarian >>>> Chinese, I like Indian but it is more expensive and further away >>>> >>>> I can do without the pizza since it has cheese >>>> >>>> any ideas? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> well this is what I did >>> >>> got soy milk >>> >>> replaced cheese with a pure peanut butter >>> >>> all at one of my local grocers >>> >>> I'm now going to have to check my protein bars to see whether they use >>> soy or whey protein, pause, looks like they have whey >>> >>> so I'll have to do something there >>> >>> I hear the milk and cheese products in my area (Schneider's and >>> Turner's) treat the cows well >>> >>> don't know about an occasional pizza >>> >>> don't know about an occasional egg McMuffin >>> >>> don't know whether it is better karma to throw out what I currently >>> have >>> or finish it up, any ideas? >> >> Humans are omnivores. Eat what you want. Don't fuss over it. >> >> In the immortal words of Michael Pollan: >> >> “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.” >> >> > Rice and beans on Monday. Beans and rice on Tuesday. Repeat. Have a day with steak or bacon. -- Olrik aa #1981 EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division |
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On 08/16/2013 09:24 PM, Olrik wrote:
> Le 2013-08-16 19:10, Dale a écrit : >> On 08/16/2013 03:54 AM, Dale wrote: >>> I am currently a vegetarian that drinks milk and infrequently eats eggs >>> >>> I was told chicken eggs are non-fertile >>> >>> my current diet is >>> >>> meal 1) whey protein/nut bar and milk and orange juice >>> meal 2) two whole wheat cheese sandwiches >>> meal 3) a can of corn or peas >>> meal 4) a roll of crackers and orange juice >>> >>> I would like to go vegan, since I seem to think that milk and cheese >>> might come from animals that are mistreated all their lives >>> >>> I can replace the milk with soy milk >>> >>> I don't have to eat the eggs >>> >>> I have various leather things, a belt and shoes are the only ones I am >>> using and will replace them with non-leather when I need to with cheap >>> non-leather alternatives >>> >>> but I need something to replace the cheese with that I don't have to >>> cook and is inexpensive, as you see my diet is cheap, and that I can >>> find in a regular USA grocery store, I don't want to travel far due to >>> gas costs >>> >>> once in awhile I treat myself to MacDonald's fries, pizza or vegetarian >>> Chinese, I like Indian but it is more expensive and further away >>> >>> I can do without the pizza since it has cheese >>> >>> any ideas? >>> >>> >> >> well this is what I did >> >> got soy milk >> >> replaced cheese with a pure peanut butter >> >> all at one of my local grocers >> >> I'm now going to have to check my protein bars to see whether they use >> soy or whey protein, pause, looks like they have whey >> >> so I'll have to do something there >> >> I hear the milk and cheese products in my area (Schneider's and >> Turner's) treat the cows well >> >> don't know about an occasional pizza >> >> don't know about an occasional egg McMuffin >> >> don't know whether it is better karma to throw out what I currently have >> or finish it up, any ideas? > > Humans are omnivores. Eat what you want. Don't fuss over it. > > In the immortal words of Michael Pollan: > > “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.” > > These anti-lacto-ovarian vegetarians make the error of assuming that all egg producers are treating their animals as badly as the things they see portrayed on TV to try to discourage the ingestion of meat. Most of the time farmers treat their animals far better than the sort of abuse depicted.. If I try to eat a vegetarian diet I get sick so what works for some folks does not work for all individuals. Oh and by the way I was raised by family tradition (stronger than religion) to eat animal protein. My family had two farms successively and I did chores like bringing the cows back to the barn to be milked, and collecting eggs from the chickens, watched my mom butcher numerous rabbits which we also skinned for the cash sales. I eat animal protein now than every before in my life except for a period just before I came down with a chronic illness when I tried to eat soy products. Now-a-days I use hemp milk and coconut milk products. I go thru about a dozen eggs per month, several pounds of chicken meat and several pounds of turkey meat with a bit of braised pork or beef when I can afford it. I got to 76 years of age last week. Despite my chronic illness and my poverty I fear I will last another 10 years or more. My food allergies and sensitivities include animal milk products, wheat, citrus fruit and almonds. bon appetite' bliss |
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Olrik > wrote in :
> Le 2013-08-17 00:43, Dakota a écrit : >> On 8/16/2013 11:24 PM, Olrik wrote: >>> Le 2013-08-16 19:10, Dale a écrit : >>>> On 08/16/2013 03:54 AM, Dale wrote: >>>>> I am currently a vegetarian that drinks milk and infrequently eats >>>>> eggs >>>>> >>>>> I was told chicken eggs are non-fertile >>>>> >>>>> my current diet is >>>>> >>>>> meal 1) whey protein/nut bar and milk and orange juice >>>>> meal 2) two whole wheat cheese sandwiches >>>>> meal 3) a can of corn or peas >>>>> meal 4) a roll of crackers and orange juice >>>>> >>>>> I would like to go vegan, since I seem to think that milk and >>>>> cheese might come from animals that are mistreated all their lives >>>>> >>>>> I can replace the milk with soy milk >>>>> >>>>> I don't have to eat the eggs >>>>> >>>>> I have various leather things, a belt and shoes are the only ones >>>>> I am using and will replace them with non-leather when I need to >>>>> with cheap non-leather alternatives >>>>> >>>>> but I need something to replace the cheese with that I don't have >>>>> to cook and is inexpensive, as you see my diet is cheap, and that >>>>> I can find in a regular USA grocery store, I don't want to travel >>>>> far due to gas costs >>>>> >>>>> once in awhile I treat myself to MacDonald's fries, pizza or >>>>> vegetarian >>>>> Chinese, I like Indian but it is more expensive and further away >>>>> >>>>> I can do without the pizza since it has cheese >>>>> >>>>> any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> well this is what I did >>>> >>>> got soy milk >>>> >>>> replaced cheese with a pure peanut butter >>>> >>>> all at one of my local grocers >>>> >>>> I'm now going to have to check my protein bars to see whether they >>>> use soy or whey protein, pause, looks like they have whey >>>> >>>> so I'll have to do something there >>>> >>>> I hear the milk and cheese products in my area (Schneider's and >>>> Turner's) treat the cows well >>>> >>>> don't know about an occasional pizza >>>> >>>> don't know about an occasional egg McMuffin >>>> >>>> don't know whether it is better karma to throw out what I currently >>>> have >>>> or finish it up, any ideas? >>> >>> Humans are omnivores. Eat what you want. Don't fuss over it. >>> >>> In the immortal words of Michael Pollan: >>> >>> “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.” >>> >>> >> Rice and beans on Monday. Beans and rice on Tuesday. Repeat. > > Have a day with steak or bacon. Have a better day with steak *and* bacon. -- Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com |
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"SkyEyes" wrote in message ...
> Olrik wrote in : >> Le 2013-08-17 00:43, Dakota a écrit : >>> On 8/16/2013 11:24 PM, Olrik wrote: >>>> Le 2013-08-16 19:10, Dale a écrit : >>>>> On 08/16/2013 03:54 AM, Dale wrote: >>>>>> I am currently a vegetarian that drinks milk and infrequently eats >>>>>> eggs >>>>>> >>>>>> I was told chicken eggs are non-fertile >>>>>> >>>>>> my current diet is >>>>>> >>>>>> meal 1) whey protein/nut bar and milk and orange juice >>>>>> meal 2) two whole wheat cheese sandwiches >>>>>> meal 3) a can of corn or peas >>>>>> meal 4) a roll of crackers and orange juice >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to go vegan, since I seem to think that milk and >>>>>> cheese might come from animals that are mistreated all their lives >>>>>> >>>>>> I can replace the milk with soy milk >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't have to eat the eggs >>>>>> >>>>>> I have various leather things, a belt and shoes are the only ones >>>>>> I am using and will replace them with non-leather when I need to >>>>>> with cheap non-leather alternatives >>>>>> >>>>>> but I need something to replace the cheese with that I don't have >>>>>> to cook and is inexpensive, as you see my diet is cheap, and that >>>>>> I can find in a regular USA grocery store, I don't want to travel >>>>>> far due to gas costs >>>>>> >>>>>> once in awhile I treat myself to MacDonald's fries, pizza or >>>>>> vegetarian >>>>>> Chinese, I like Indian but it is more expensive and further away >>>>>> >>>>>> I can do without the pizza since it has cheese >>>>>> >>>>>> any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> well this is what I did >>>>> >>>>> got soy milk >>>>> >>>>> replaced cheese with a pure peanut butter >>>>> >>>>> all at one of my local grocers >>>>> >>>>> I'm now going to have to check my protein bars to see whether they >>>>> use soy or whey protein, pause, looks like they have whey >>>>> >>>>> so I'll have to do something there >>>>> >>>>> I hear the milk and cheese products in my area (Schneider's and >>>>> Turner's) treat the cows well >>>>> >>>>> don't know about an occasional pizza >>>>> >>>>> don't know about an occasional egg McMuffin >>>>> >>>>> don't know whether it is better karma to throw out what I currently >>>>> have >>>>> or finish it up, any ideas? >>>> >>>> Humans are omnivores. Eat what you want. Don't fuss over it. >>>> >>>> In the immortal words of Michael Pollan: >>>> >>>> "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." >>>> >>> Rice and beans on Monday. Beans and rice on Tuesday. Repeat. >> >> Have a day with steak or bacon. > > Have a better day with steak *and* bacon. In many cases the very 'first' symptom of a heart attack is, *sudden death*....as some customers of a restaurant called the "Heart Grill" have experienced. http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/he...tack-grill.htm |
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Le 2013-08-17 05:55, Andrew a écrit :
> "SkyEyes" wrote in message ... >> Olrik wrote in : >>> Le 2013-08-17 00:43, Dakota a écrit : >>>> On 8/16/2013 11:24 PM, Olrik wrote: >>>>> Le 2013-08-16 19:10, Dale a écrit : >>>>>> On 08/16/2013 03:54 AM, Dale wrote: >>>>>>> I am currently a vegetarian that drinks milk and infrequently eats >>>>>>> eggs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was told chicken eggs are non-fertile >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my current diet is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> meal 1) whey protein/nut bar and milk and orange juice >>>>>>> meal 2) two whole wheat cheese sandwiches >>>>>>> meal 3) a can of corn or peas >>>>>>> meal 4) a roll of crackers and orange juice >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to go vegan, since I seem to think that milk and >>>>>>> cheese might come from animals that are mistreated all their lives >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can replace the milk with soy milk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't have to eat the eggs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have various leather things, a belt and shoes are the only ones >>>>>>> I am using and will replace them with non-leather when I need to >>>>>>> with cheap non-leather alternatives >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but I need something to replace the cheese with that I don't have >>>>>>> to cook and is inexpensive, as you see my diet is cheap, and that >>>>>>> I can find in a regular USA grocery store, I don't want to travel >>>>>>> far due to gas costs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> once in awhile I treat myself to MacDonald's fries, pizza or >>>>>>> vegetarian >>>>>>> Chinese, I like Indian but it is more expensive and further away >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can do without the pizza since it has cheese >>>>>>> >>>>>>> any ideas? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> well this is what I did >>>>>> >>>>>> got soy milk >>>>>> >>>>>> replaced cheese with a pure peanut butter >>>>>> >>>>>> all at one of my local grocers >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm now going to have to check my protein bars to see whether they >>>>>> use soy or whey protein, pause, looks like they have whey >>>>>> >>>>>> so I'll have to do something there >>>>>> >>>>>> I hear the milk and cheese products in my area (Schneider's and >>>>>> Turner's) treat the cows well >>>>>> >>>>>> don't know about an occasional pizza >>>>>> >>>>>> don't know about an occasional egg McMuffin >>>>>> >>>>>> don't know whether it is better karma to throw out what I currently >>>>>> have >>>>>> or finish it up, any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> Humans are omnivores. Eat what you want. Don't fuss over it. >>>>> >>>>> In the immortal words of Michael Pollan: >>>>> >>>>> "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." >>>>> >>>> Rice and beans on Monday. Beans and rice on Tuesday. Repeat. >>> >>> Have a day with steak or bacon. >> >> Have a better day with steak *and* bacon. > > In many cases the very 'first' symptom of a heart attack > is, *sudden death*....as some customers of a restaurant > called the "Heart Grill" have experienced. > > http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/he...tack-grill.htm Human death rate: 100% Vegetarian death rate: 100% Vegan death rate: 100% Meat-lover death rate: 100% Chose wisely. -- Olrik aa #1981 EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division |
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Dana subota, 17. kolovoza 2013. 01:10:38 UTC+2, korisnik Dale napisao je:
> On 08/16/2013 03:54 AM, Dale wrote: > > > I am currently a vegetarian that drinks milk and infrequently eats eggs > > > > > > I was told chicken eggs are non-fertile > > > > > > my current diet is > > > > > > meal 1) whey protein/nut bar and milk and orange juice > > > meal 2) two whole wheat cheese sandwiches > > > meal 3) a can of corn or peas > > > meal 4) a roll of crackers and orange juice > > > > > > I would like to go vegan, since I seem to think that milk and cheese > > > might come from animals that are mistreated all their lives > > > > > > I can replace the milk with soy milk > > > > > > I don't have to eat the eggs > > > > > > I have various leather things, a belt and shoes are the only ones I am > > > using and will replace them with non-leather when I need to with cheap > > > non-leather alternatives > > > > > > but I need something to replace the cheese with that I don't have to > > > cook and is inexpensive, as you see my diet is cheap, and that I can > > > find in a regular USA grocery store, I don't want to travel far due to > > > gas costs > > > > > > once in awhile I treat myself to MacDonald's fries, pizza or vegetarian > > > Chinese, I like Indian but it is more expensive and further away > > > > > > I can do without the pizza since it has cheese > > > > > > any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > well this is what I did > > > > got soy milk > > > > replaced cheese with a pure peanut butter > > > > all at one of my local grocers > > > > I'm now going to have to check my protein bars to see whether they use > > soy or whey protein, pause, looks like they have whey > > > > so I'll have to do something there > > > > I hear the milk and cheese products in my area (Schneider's and > > Turner's) treat the cows well > > > > don't know about an occasional pizza > > > > don't know about an occasional egg McMuffin > > > > don't know whether it is better karma to throw out what I currently have > > or finish it up, any ideas? > > > > -- > > Dale nice! |
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Dana subota, 17. kolovoza 2013. 01:10:38 UTC+2, korisnik Dale napisao je:
> On 08/16/2013 03:54 AM, Dale wrote: > > > I am currently a vegetarian that drinks milk and infrequently eats eggs > > > > > > I was told chicken eggs are non-fertile > > > > > > my current diet is > > > > > > meal 1) whey protein/nut bar and milk and orange juice > > > meal 2) two whole wheat cheese sandwiches > > > meal 3) a can of corn or peas > > > meal 4) a roll of crackers and orange juice > > > > > > I would like to go vegan, since I seem to think that milk and cheese > > > might come from animals that are mistreated all their lives > > > > > > I can replace the milk with soy milk > > > > > > I don't have to eat the eggs > > > > > > I have various leather things, a belt and shoes are the only ones I am > > > using and will replace them with non-leather when I need to with cheap > > > non-leather alternatives > > > > > > but I need something to replace the cheese with that I don't have to > > > cook and is inexpensive, as you see my diet is cheap, and that I can > > > find in a regular USA grocery store, I don't want to travel far due to > > > gas costs > > > > > > once in awhile I treat myself to MacDonald's fries, pizza or vegetarian > > > Chinese, I like Indian but it is more expensive and further away > > > > > > I can do without the pizza since it has cheese > > > > > > any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > well this is what I did > > > > got soy milk > > > > replaced cheese with a pure peanut butter > > > > all at one of my local grocers > > > > I'm now going to have to check my protein bars to see whether they use > > soy or whey protein, pause, looks like they have whey > > > > so I'll have to do something there > > > > I hear the milk and cheese products in my area (Schneider's and > > Turner's) treat the cows well > > > > don't know about an occasional pizza > > > > don't know about an occasional egg McMuffin > > > > don't know whether it is better karma to throw out what I currently have > > or finish it up, any ideas? > > > > -- > > Dale |
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