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"If the spices I needed were available locally I would
[consume only locally grown produce]." - Skanky Carpetmuncher, 27 Dec 2004 The issue is why "vegans" don't make more effort not to cause the death of animals. First we need to recap the argument. All "vegans" begin by following a logical fallacy in order to arrive at the totality of "veganism": the rule, Do Not Consume Animal Parts. The fallacy is this: If I consume animal parts, I cause the suffering and death of animals. I do not consume animal parts; therefore, I do not cause the suffering and death of animals. This argument embodies a classic fallacy, Denying the Antecedent. A person can cause suffering and death of animals by means other than consuming things made from animal parts. The most important way in which this occurs that is relevant to "vegans" is collateral animal deaths in agriculture (CDs). The cultivation, harvest, storage and distrbution of many grain crops in particular causes suffering and death to animals on a massive scale. None of the animal slaughter is "necessary", but it is inevitable given current methods of farming. "vegans" buy vegetables and fruits without any consideration whatever about how many animals were killed in the course of their production. When and if they learn about CDs, "vegans" are forced to acknowledge that they do not live a "cruelty free" life, merely by following the "vegan" rule of "do not consume animal parts." The usual course of retreat is to make an intermediate stop at the false claim, "I am doing the best I can to reduce animal death." This is quickly seen to be a false claim: different vegetable crops cause different numbers of CDs. The production of rice, for example, is exceptionally lethal to animals, far more so than other starchy grains. To the extent the "vegan" eats rice rather than other, less lethal grains, she is not "doing the best she can" not to cause animal death. Once "vegans" see that their intermediate position is untenable, they make a second retreat to the weakest position of all, the one that reveals "veganism" to be utterly specious as an ethical choice: "At least I'm doing better than you omnivores." This claim ALSO is false, as one can easily show that a meat-including diet can cause fewer deaths than virtually any "vegan" diet. However, there is no further room for retreat, so "vegans" simply close their eyes to the obvious, and either stick with the "I'm doing better than you" position, which illustrates the utter moral bankruptcy of "veganism", or attempt to claw their way back to their intermediate claim of "doing the best I can." This position - "doing the best I can" - is the one Skanky Carpetmuncher is currently trying vainly to defend, even though she has already abandoned it to make her second retreat. The quote at the top is her reply to someone who asked her why she doesn't buy only locally produced foods and spices (the implication being that local production somehow necessarily causes fewer deaths than distant production.) Her answer implicitly *accepts* that locally produced means fewer deaths than remotely produced, but we see that she makes the reduction of animal deaths subordinate to her aesthetic desire for more flavorful food. She doesn't NEED spices at all; she merely wants them. How can a supposedly absolute ethical value - "it is wrong to kill animals" - take a back seat to her aesthetic wish for flavor variety, and still be called a valid ethics? It can't. In my direct reply to Skanky Carpetmuncher, I pointed out that by subordinating her absolute belief that it is wrong to kill animals to her wish for flavor variety in food, she is implicitly admitting, once again, that she is NOT "doing the best she can" at reducing animal death. In fact, she is revealing that she does NOT believe killing animals is wrong. Her reply was very revealing: You can't accept that I find an improvement good enough. You want me to strive for a veganic perfection that only you [expletive] seems to see. I do MY best which is good enough for me to be content. There is no question that she is NOT "doing her best", as she could easily forgo the spices. She has, for the SECOND time, retreated from the claim "I'm doing the best I can" to the vastly weaker claim of "I think I'm doing better than you, which is good enough for me." In the process, she has revealed the fatal flaw in "veganism" and, necessarily, in "vegans" themselves: they don't really believe their absolute claim that killing animals is wrong. Once that claim is effectively abandoned, as this reveals it must be, we see that "veganism" isn't about ethics at all. |
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