"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message ...
<..>
> > >>>but not knowing
> > >>>which farmers out there kill animals during
> > >>>farming practices.
> > >>
> > >>It doesn't matter. As I said, you have to assume they
> > >>ALL do it.
> > >
> > > Why assume they all do?
> >
> > They all do.
>
> So you would have me boycott all foods? I would
> starve, silly person.

There's your "self-defense".

Saying that, consider this little gem from psycho-ball;

"Nutrition is not an absolute need."
-Jonathan Ball ('Jay Santos') 22 Nov 2003




Seriously though, another excellent reason to choose organic
(sustainably farmed) produce (as you probably know)..

'Surveys by the ministry of agriculture and the British Trust
for Ornithology have shown the beneficial effects of organic
farming on wildlife. It's not difficult to see why: the pesticides
used in intensive agriculture kill many soil organisms, insects
and other larger species. They also kill plants considered to
be weeds. That means fewer food sources available for other
animals, birds and beneficial insects and it also destroys many
of their habitats.'
http://www.soilassociation.org/web/s.../benefits.html

'..This comprehensive European-wide literature review provides
evidence on the whole range of environmental benefits of organic
farming. It concludes that, in comparison with non-organic farming,
organic farming tends to support greater biodiversity, conserves
soil fertility and stability better, does not pose any risk of water
pollution from pesticides, results in 40-60% lower carbon dioxide
emissions per hectare, nitrous oxide and ammonia emission
potential appears to be lower, energy consumption is usually lower,
and energy efficiency is usually higher.
...'
http://www.soilassociation.org/sa/sa...Sheets05092001

'The independent research quoted in this report found substantially
greater levels of both abundance and diversity of species on the
organic farms, as outlined below:

Plants: Five times as many wild plants in arable fields, 57% more
species, and several rare and declining wild arable species found
only on organic farms.

Birds: 25% more birds at the field edge, 44% more in-field in
autumn/winter; 2.2 times as many breeding skylarks and higher
skylark breeding rates.

Invertebrates: 1.6 times as many of the arthropods that comprise
bird food; three times as many non-pest butterflies in the crop areas;
one to five times as many spider numbers and one to two times as
many spider species.

Crop pests: Significant decrease in aphid numbers; no change in
numbers of pest butterflies.

Distribution of the biodiversity benefits: Though the field boundaries
had the highest levels of wildlife, the highest increases were found
in the cropped areas of the fields.

Quality of the habitats: Both the field boundary and crop habitats
were more favourable on the organic farms. The field boundaries
had more trees, larger hedges and no spray drift.
...'
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn48/pn48p15b.htm


*

Wishing you, S.N, and all the other good folks here,
a very happy, healthy and prosperous 2005.
'pearl'

> > So you would have me boycott all foods? I would
> > starve, silly person.
>
> There's your "self-defense".

Yeah. How dare I want to eat to stay alive.

> Saying that, consider this little gem from psycho-ball;
>
> "Nutrition is not an absolute need."
> -Jonathan Ball ('Jay Santos') 22 Nov 2003

LOL Maybe he thinks it is a sometimes need
or a little bit of a need, or not a need at all.
Maybe he's a breatharian believing he can
live by breathing alone.

> Seriously though, another excellent reason to choose organic
> (sustainably farmed) produce (as you probably know)..

I feel lucky that I'm in a city where there's a good sized
organic availability. The foods contain more nutrients
too.

> 'Surveys by the ministry of agriculture and the British Trust
> for Ornithology have shown the beneficial effects of organic
> farming on wildlife. It's not difficult to see why: the pesticides
> used in intensive agriculture kill many soil organisms, insects
> and other larger species. They also kill plants considered to
> be weeds. That means fewer food sources available for other
> animals, birds and beneficial insects and it also destroys many
> of their habitats.'
> http://www.soilassociation.org/web/s.../benefits.html
>
> '..This comprehensive European-wide literature review provides
> evidence on the whole range of environmental benefits of organic
> farming. It concludes that, in comparison with non-organic farming,
> organic farming tends to support greater biodiversity, conserves
> soil fertility and stability better, does not pose any risk of water
> pollution from pesticides, results in 40-60% lower carbon dioxide
> emissions per hectare, nitrous oxide and ammonia emission
> potential appears to be lower, energy consumption is usually lower,
> and energy efficiency is usually higher.
> ..'
>
http://www.soilassociation.org/sa/sa...Sheets05092001
>
> 'The independent research quoted in this report found substantially
> greater levels of both abundance and diversity of species on the
> organic farms, as outlined below:
>
> Plants: Five times as many wild plants in arable fields, 57% more
> species, and several rare and declining wild arable species found
> only on organic farms.
>
> Birds: 25% more birds at the field edge, 44% more in-field in
> autumn/winter; 2.2 times as many breeding skylarks and higher
> skylark breeding rates.
>
> Invertebrates: 1.6 times as many of the arthropods that comprise
> bird food; three times as many non-pest butterflies in the crop areas;
> one to five times as many spider numbers and one to two times as
> many spider species.
>
> Crop pests: Significant decrease in aphid numbers; no change in
> numbers of pest butterflies.
>
> Distribution of the biodiversity benefits: Though the field boundaries
> had the highest levels of wildlife, the highest increases were found
> in the cropped areas of the fields.
>
> Quality of the habitats: Both the field boundary and crop habitats
> were more favourable on the organic farms. The field boundaries
> had more trees, larger hedges and no spray drift.
> ..'
> http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn48/pn48p15b.htm

So organic is already a lot more veganic than I realized.
That's good news.

> Wishing you, S.N, and all the other good folks here,
> a very happy, healthy and prosperous 2005.
>
'pearl'


Thanks, and a very good one to you too.