Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>Given that
>>>I have no choice other than to starve, what do you
>>>suppose that I do.
>>
>>You have three different options. Put your money where your big mouth
>>is and actually garden in a manner consistent with your dubious
>>"principles." Recommend legitimate, widely-available products which
>>minimize CDs; those include certain kinds of meat, but NOT
>>mechanically planted or harvested produce. Or, best of all, you can stop making
>>false claims, moral and otherwise, about food choices.
>
> Buying a farm is not an option for me,

I know, you slacker.

> unless you are gifting me one or something.

Don't hold your breath.

> You say "widely available
> products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
> non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?

Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out some of
those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.

> Brand names please so we can all do the best we can.

Clueless ****ing urbanite. That's your problem -- you prate about
"veganic" produce and then want brand names. Your affinity for branding
is what causes you to kill more animals with your consumption. Look for
local foods, refuse to buy anything grown more than 200 miles away from
your front door.

> By the way, it's just ridiculous to suggest to a
> vegatarian or vegan that they eat meat.

I didn't recommend you do that, Skunky. I suggested you recommend those
who eat meat to eat those kinds.

> The intentional death is both more in-your-face

In your face as opposed to burying your head about CDs?

> and the health risks are unacceptable

There are no adverse health risks. If anything, it's better for you
because you're not consuming a marginal diet that has only qualified
support from the major dietetic organizations.

>>>I'm doing the best I can for both my health
>>
>>Bullshit. First, you willfully inhale toxins to get a buzz off
>>marijuana -- not good for your health, especially for your lungs. Smokers have a
>>far greater incidence of cancer of the lungs, larynx, pharynx,
>>esophagus, mouth, colon and breast than non-smokers. Marijuana
>>contains more tar than cigarettes. Marijuana is also inhaled very deeply and
>>the smoke is held in the lungs for a long time. Marijuana is smoked all
>>the way to the end where tar content is the highest. Many of the
>>cancer-causing substances in tobacco are also found in marijuana. It
>>also affects your central nervous system in an adverse manner. There
>>are few if any positive effects of marijuana use.
>
> Ew, there's that evil, evil weed again. Reefer Madness
> anyone?

Your childish sarcasm does nothing to address the fact that you
willfully and frequently consume something which is bad for you on many
levels despite your claims to be interested in good health. You're a
charlatan.

>>Second, you fail to distinguish between good and bad plant-based
>>foods, a la your boneheaded defense of eating hemp seeds and recommending
>>higher intake of omega-6 FAs despite information that lipids from
>>other plant sources provide enough and that one should focus on omega-3 FAs
>>intake to maintain a proper, healthier ratio. You make poor
>>generalizations about meat, saying ALL meat is bad despite the
>>evidence presented that the meat of game, grass-fed ruminants, and fish is very
>>healthful, high in omega-3 FAs, and LOW in saturated fats.
>
> Get it right. I mentioned that hempseed oil contains omegas 3, 6 and 9.

You said it was a good thing. You had no ****ing clue what you were
saying, you just wanted to repeat something you read on a pro-pot
website because you thought it was valid.

> You trolls jumped on and exaggerated my including of 6 in there.

No, I demonstrated that you're a mindless **** who mindlessly repeats
bullshit found on activist websites as though she the disinformation
she's peddling is the fruit of her "research."

> If every meateater switched to your 'better' meats, and did not
> reduce their consumption, then the above game would go extinct

Bullshit. I've asked you to prove this claim, and I've also shared with
you population numbers between people and deer in Texas alone. Deer are
NOT an endangered species. Eating more of them would benefit deer in the
aggregate because of their overpopulation in most regions of the US (and
probably Canada, too).

> and the 'grassfed' herds would barely supply anyone else.

Nonsense.

> Face
> it, the commercial meat industry supplies most meat eaters,

Consumers drive demand, commercial supply doesn't drive demand.

> and as far as the cds you're fond of mentioning, the amount is many,
> many timesfold.

That's not an issue except for the fact that you keep wanting to compare
apples to oranges.

>>It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and
>>Dietitians of Canada that *APPROPRIATELY PLANNED* vegetarian
>>diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health
>>benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.
>>[my emphasis]
>> http://www.eatright.org/Public/Gover...s/92_17084.cfm
>
> What's your point? That vegans should balance their meals?

Definitely. It takes more planning on a vegetarian diet.

> Well, meateaters have to do that too, so what's your point?

Not as diligently.

>>>That's barely different than crops grown here.
>>
>>Ipse dixit, and what a pathetic little shit you are for bitching about
>>one kind of local production and then participating in it on a more
>>global scale.
>
> Ooo, a little mad are you?

Not mad at all. Just pointing out your rank hypocrisy.

> Stop telling vegans what they should be doing.

As long as you make categorical claims about things being right or
wrong, or nutritious or not, I will be here to correct you. Don't be
such a ****ing ingrate that I'm willing to volunteer such assistance.

> You're no expert.

I know a lot more than you about nutritional science, health, and
wellness than you ever will. I also know a lot more than you about
veganism and why it's a worse solution than the problems it seeks to
correct.

> You're not even vegan,

Hurray! You finally admit it.

> so what are you doing?!?!

Generously helping you with my accumulated knowledge. You don't realize
how lucky you are that kind strangers are so willing to freely assist
you in making wiser, more thoughtful, more conscientious decisions.

> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
>
> I know, you slacker.

How does that make me a slacker? Just because
I'm going to have to wait until retirement doesn't
make me a slacker, just lucky or unlucky depending
on how you look at it. Lucky for getting there
someday, unlucky for it taking years. Slacking
has nothing to do with it.

> > You say "widely available
> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
>
> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out some of
> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.

How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
elsewhere?

> > Brand names please so we can all do the best we can.
>
> Clueless ****ing urbanite. That's your problem -- you prate about
> "veganic" produce and then want brand names. Your affinity for
branding
> is what causes you to kill more animals with your consumption. Look
for
> local foods, refuse to buy anything grown more than 200 miles away
from
> your front door.

And how does one tell them apart from others?
The stores don't put the name of the farmers and
locations for most foods.

> > By the way, it's just ridiculous to suggest to a
> > vegatarian or vegan that they eat meat.
>
> I didn't recommend you do that, Skunky. I suggested you recommend
those
> who eat meat to eat those kinds.

I'll never recommend wild game. Extinction is permanent.

> > The intentional death is both more in-your-face
>
> In your face as opposed to burying your head about CDs?

First of all, I don't believe there's as many deaths from
slow moving farm machinery as you trolls would have
me think. Secondly, any such deaths are accidental
and not as abhorrent as an intentional death. Did you
know that a high number of serial killers start out by
killing animals intentionally? I'm not saying you're a
serial killer, but it says something of the mindset.

> > and the health risks are unacceptable
>
> There are no adverse health risks. If anything, it's better for you
> because you're not consuming a marginal diet that has only qualified
> support from the major dietetic organizations.

The vegan diet is not marginal. There is quite a lot
of variety in the foods. Go check out my recipe
directory if you don't believe it.

> >>>I'm doing the best I can for both my health
> >>
> >>Bullshit. First, you willfully inhale toxins to get a buzz off
> >>marijuana -- not good for your health, especially for your lungs.
Smokers have a
> >>far greater incidence of cancer of the lungs, larynx, pharynx,
> >>esophagus, mouth, colon and breast than non-smokers. Marijuana
> >>contains more tar than cigarettes. Marijuana is also inhaled very
deeply and
> >>the smoke is held in the lungs for a long time. Marijuana is smoked
all
> >>the way to the end where tar content is the highest. Many of the
> >>cancer-causing substances in tobacco are also found in marijuana. It
> >>also affects your central nervous system in an adverse manner. There
> >>are few if any positive effects of marijuana use.
> >
> > Ew, there's that evil, evil weed again. Reefer Madness
> > anyone?
>
> Your childish sarcasm does nothing to address the fact that you
> willfully and frequently consume something which is bad for you on
many
> levels despite your claims to be interested in good health. You're a
> charlatan.

No charlatan. I truly believe that it is good for me on a number of
levels. I don't believe your 'facts' about its dangers. Most of what
you claim, I've seen later disproven.

> > Get it right. I mentioned that hempseed oil contains omegas 3, 6 and
9.
>
> You said it was a good thing. You had no ****ing clue what you were
> saying, you just wanted to repeat something you read on a pro-pot
> website because you thought it was valid.

It is a good thing. The body needs all 3 and this oil
provides it. It's you trolls who started worrying that
it might cause an overdose of omega 6, without
even knowing how much is in there and how much
the person is getting elsewhere in their diet.

> > You trolls jumped on and exaggerated my including of 6 in there.
>
> No, I demonstrated that you're a mindless **** who mindlessly repeats
> bullshit found on activist websites as though she the disinformation
> she's peddling is the fruit of her "research."

That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.

> > If every meateater switched to your 'better' meats, and did not
> > reduce their consumption, then the above game would go extinct
>
> Bullshit. I've asked you to prove this claim, and I've also shared
with
> you population numbers between people and deer in Texas alone. Deer
are
> NOT an endangered species. Eating more of them would benefit deer in
the
> aggregate because of their overpopulation in most regions of the US
(and
> probably Canada, too).

By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
keep going down until they are extinct.

> > and the 'grassfed' herds would barely supply anyone else.
>
> Nonsense.

If it could supply everyone, then the grasslands would have
to support dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds
of times the number of cows.

> > Face
> > it, the commercial meat industry supplies most meat eaters,
>
> Consumers drive demand, commercial supply doesn't drive demand.

That's right, and your game and grass fed can't feed that demand.

> > and as far as the cds you're fond of mentioning, the amount is many,
> > many timesfold.
>
> That's not an issue except for the fact that you keep wanting to
compare
> apples to oranges.

Cds are the issue. It's the thing that you trolls keep bringing up.

> > What's your point? That vegans should balance their meals?
>
> Definitely. It takes more planning on a vegetarian diet.

Only at first when one is unfamiliar with some of the foods.
After that it's as easy as one's previous meat diet.

> >>Ipse dixit, and what a pathetic little shit you are for bitching
about
> >>one kind of local production and then participating in it on a more
> >>global scale.
> >
> > Ooo, a little mad are you?
>
> Not mad at all. Just pointing out your rank hypocrisy.

If you feel so strongly against the import and export
of foods, you must eat very bland meals. I think
that the import and export increases the variety
of foods availlable and is thus potentially more
healthful.

> > Stop telling vegans what they should be doing.
>
> As long as you make categorical claims about things being right or
> wrong, or nutritious or not, I will be here to correct you. Don't be
> such a ****ing ingrate that I'm willing to volunteer such assistance.

You're here to troll. Not to offer assistance. Assistance
isn't 'offered' with insults and swearing at people.

> > You're no expert.
>
> I know a lot more than you about nutritional science, health, and
> wellness than you ever will. I also know a lot more than you about
> veganism and why it's a worse solution than the problems it seeks to
> correct.

Surely you must know that you're joking. I know what
my years of research is, and where it's led me. You
know less than nothing about my research. Why would
you think that I would go to an insulting, lying troll and
ask for advise? And take that advise over my years
of research? I don't think so.

> > You're not even vegan,
>
> Hurray! You finally admit it.

Then why are you still here in alt.food.vegan? Do
you now admit to trolling?


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
>>
>> I know, you slacker.
>
> How does that make me a slacker?
==================
It does prove the hypocrisy of the vegan position quite well though. Your
convenience comes first. Maybe you just like killing animals, eh?


Just because
> I'm going to have to wait until retirement doesn't
> make me a slacker, just lucky or unlucky depending
> on how you look at it. Lucky for getting there
> someday, unlucky for it taking years. Slacking
> has nothing to do with it.
==================
No, lazy hypocrisy says it all, killer.


>
>> > You say "widely available
>> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
>> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
>>
>> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out some of
>> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
>
> How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
> elsewhere?
==================
Are you really that stupid, or do you work really really hard at it? Does
those imported fruits and veggies just drop out of the sky and land on your
plate like manna from heaven? You are so totally ignorant of the impact
your life has on animals and the environemnt the world over that it makes my
head spin. How can anybody be so willfully stupid?


>
>> > Brand names please so we can all do the best we can.
>>
>> Clueless ****ing urbanite. That's your problem -- you prate about
>> "veganic" produce and then want brand names. Your affinity for
> branding
>> is what causes you to kill more animals with your consumption. Look
> for
>> local foods, refuse to buy anything grown more than 200 miles away
> from
>> your front door.
>
> And how does one tell them apart from others?
> The stores don't put the name of the farmers and
> locations for most foods.
======================
Cluesless urbanite, as was said above. Have you even trid a farmers
market? I know for a fact that there are some in Toronto, killer. But no,
you haven't. You're too self-absorbed and selfish to actually go out of
your way to evn make a tiny effort to live up to your ignorant claims of
'caring.'


>
>> > By the way, it's just ridiculous to suggest to a
>> > vegatarian or vegan that they eat meat.
>>
>> I didn't recommend you do that, Skunky. I suggested you recommend
> those
>> who eat meat to eat those kinds.
>
> I'll never recommend wild game. Extinction is permanent.
====================
LOL What a hoot!!! You're killing far more animals with your supermart
veggies, hypocrite.


>
>> > The intentional death is both more in-your-face
>>
>> In your face as opposed to burying your head about CDs?
>
> First of all, I don't believe there's as many deaths from
> slow moving farm machinery as you trolls would have
> me think.
========================
Why not? HJave you seen some of them in action? The size? Of course not.
Besides fool, even those that do escape the machine are left without any
food and cover, so they die anyway, killer. They die because of your
veggies! Their numbers are at unnatural levels for an area because your
crops have provided an unnatural amount of easy food and cover. Many
animals can breed several times a season, and they offsping can breed
several times too. Right when the numbers are at a peak, you take away
all the easy food and cover, leaving them to die of starvation and
predation. They also cannot just all scurry off into the surrounding areas
because those areas will already be at their natural capacity.


Secondly, any such deaths are accidental
> and not as abhorrent as an intentional death.
=============================
Really? Why? They are just a s dead. And, they died in far more brutal,
inhumane ways than slaughterhouse animals do. Quite a selective compassion
you have there, hypocrite.

Did you
> know that a high number of serial killers start out by
> killing animals intentionally? I'm not saying you're a
> serial killer, but it says something of the mindset.
========================
LOL What a hoot! Clueless urbanite...


>
>> > and the health risks are unacceptable
>>
>> There are no adverse health risks. If anything, it's better for you
>> because you're not consuming a marginal diet that has only qualified
>> support from the major dietetic organizations.
>
> The vegan diet is not marginal. There is quite a lot
> of variety in the foods. Go check out my recipe
> directory if you don't believe it.
====================
Sure, as long as you spice it up with imported foods from around the world,
killer. Those are far from being 'vegan' in terms of the death and
suffering surrounding their transport, hypocrite. Besides, it does not
naturally provide all the vitamins you need.


snips...


>> Your childish sarcasm does nothing to address the fact that you
>> willfully and frequently consume something which is bad for you on
> many
>> levels despite your claims to be interested in good health. You're a
>> charlatan.
>
> No charlatan. I truly believe that it is good for me on a number of
> levels. I don't believe your 'facts' about its dangers. Most of what
> you claim, I've seen later disproven.
=======================
No, you haven't, or you would have posted it all over usenet, killer.



>
>> > Get it right. I mentioned that hempseed oil contains omegas 3, 6 and
> 9.
>>
>> You said it was a good thing. You had no ****ing clue what you were
>> saying, you just wanted to repeat something you read on a pro-pot
>> website because you thought it was valid.
>
> It is a good thing. The body needs all 3 and this oil
> provides it. It's you trolls who started worrying that
> it might cause an overdose of omega 6, without
> even knowing how much is in there and how much
> the person is getting elsewhere in their diet.
>
>> > You trolls jumped on and exaggerated my including of 6 in there.
>>
>> No, I demonstrated that you're a mindless **** who mindlessly repeats
>> bullshit found on activist websites as though she the disinformation
>> she's peddling is the fruit of her "research."
>
> That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
> however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.
=======================
LOL Then why are they on your site with links? Anything that proclaims
that something is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then m,akes no
mention of the fact hat there are differing opinions is an
activist/propagand site looking to scam the rubes.


>
>> > If every meateater switched to your 'better' meats, and did not
>> > reduce their consumption, then the above game would go extinct
>>
>> Bullshit. I've asked you to prove this claim, and I've also shared
> with
>> you population numbers between people and deer in Texas alone. Deer
> are
>> NOT an endangered species. Eating more of them would benefit deer in
> the
>> aggregate because of their overpopulation in most regions of the US
> (and
>> probably Canada, too).
>
> By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
> overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
> lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
> overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
> for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
> keep going down until they are extinct.
==================
Clueless urbanite. You have no clue as to animals, do you killer?


>
>> > and the 'grassfed' herds would barely supply anyone else.
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
> If it could supply everyone, then the grasslands would have
> to support dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds
> of times the number of cows.
=======================
Hey, clueless urbanite, *ALL* beef cattle are already grass-fed for almost
their whole lives. The pasture is already there, dolt. they only spend a
feww wekks of their lives in feedlots. You really are a clueless urbanite.


>
>> > Face
>> > it, the commercial meat industry supplies most meat eaters,
>>
>> Consumers drive demand, commercial supply doesn't drive demand.
>
> That's right, and your game and grass fed can't feed that demand.
============================
ROTFLMAO And your so-called mythical veganic gardening can? You really
are too stupid for words, killer. We aren't talking about the masses, we're
talking about what *you* as an individual *could* do to improve your bloody
footprints. But, you're too lazy and stupid to do anything real, so you
have to focus only on what you think others are doing. Nice strawman,
hypocrite, but one that's been knocked down many, many times...


>
>> > and as far as the cds you're fond of mentioning, the amount is many,
>> > many timesfold.
>>
>> That's not an issue except for the fact that you keep wanting to
> compare
>> apples to oranges.
>
> Cds are the issue. It's the thing that you trolls keep bringing up.
==================
And one that you like to ignore because otherwise your house of cards falls
down...


>
>> > What's your point? That vegans should balance their meals?
>>
>> Definitely. It takes more planning on a vegetarian diet.
>
> Only at first when one is unfamiliar with some of the foods.
> After that it's as easy as one's previous meat diet.
>
>> >>Ipse dixit, and what a pathetic little shit you are for bitching
> about
>> >>one kind of local production and then participating in it on a more
>> >>global scale.
>> >
>> > Ooo, a little mad are you?
>>
>> Not mad at all. Just pointing out your rank hypocrisy.
>
> If you feel so strongly against the import and export
> of foods, you must eat very bland meals. I think
> that the import and export increases the variety
> of foods availlable and is thus potentially more
> healthful.
===========================
Then you admit that a vegan diet is unhealthy without massive importation?
Thanks for proving that you diet is filled with death and suffering and
hypocrisy, killer.


>
>> > Stop telling vegans what they should be doing.
>>
>> As long as you make categorical claims about things being right or
>> wrong, or nutritious or not, I will be here to correct you. Don't be
>> such a ****ing ingrate that I'm willing to volunteer such assistance.
>
> You're here to troll. Not to offer assistance. Assistance
> isn't 'offered' with insults and swearing at people.
=======================
LOL Especially when the idiot getting the advice is willfully and
terminally ignorant, right hypocrite?


>
>> > You're no expert.
>>
>> I know a lot more than you about nutritional science, health, and
>> wellness than you ever will. I also know a lot more than you about
>> veganism and why it's a worse solution than the problems it seeks to
>> correct.
>
> Surely you must know that you're joking. I know what
> my years of research is, and where it's led me.
=================
LOL You're done no research, killer. You know it, and we know it. You far
to stupid in everything discussed here to have researched anything.


You
> know less than nothing about my research. Why would
> you think that I would go to an insulting, lying troll and
> ask for advise? And take that advise over my years
> of research? I don't think so.
=================
Of course not, your religion demands otherwise.


>
>> > You're not even vegan,
>>
>> Hurray! You finally admit it.
>
> Then why are you still here in alt.food.vegan? Do
> you now admit to trolling?
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
> Irony, ignorance and hypocrisy on display...
>

> >> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
> >>
> >> I know, you slacker.
> >
> > How does that make me a slacker?
> ==================
> It does prove the hypocrisy of the vegan position quite well though.
Your
> convenience comes first. Maybe you just like killing animals, eh?

So, you're saying that convenience is stopping me from
currently getting a farm? You don't make sense tricky
ricky. Where's the hypocrasy or do you just see that
everywhere due to your paranoia? What led you to
suggest I like killing animals? Do you hear voices that
tell you what to write/insult here?

> Just because
> > I'm going to have to wait until retirement doesn't
> > make me a slacker, just lucky or unlucky depending
> > on how you look at it. Lucky for getting there
> > someday, unlucky for it taking years. Slacking
> > has nothing to do with it.
> ==================
> No, lazy hypocrisy says it all, killer.

Says what? Explain yourself. Don't just insult
without explaining. That makes it nonsense.

> >> > You say "widely available
> >> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
> >> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
> >>
> >> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out some
of
> >> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
> >
> > How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
> > elsewhere?
> ==================
> Are you really that stupid, or do you work really really hard at it?
Does
> those imported fruits and veggies just drop out of the sky and land on
your
> plate like manna from heaven? You are so totally ignorant of the
impact
> your life has on animals and the environemnt the world over that it
makes my
> head spin. How can anybody be so willfully stupid?

Well, if you think that the transportation industry is causing
deaths speak up ricky.

> > And how does one tell them apart from others?
> > The stores don't put the name of the farmers and
> > locations for most foods.
> ======================
> Cluesless urbanite, as was said above. Have you even trid a farmers
> market? I know for a fact that there are some in Toronto, killer.
But no,
> you haven't. You're too self-absorbed and selfish to actually go out
of
> your way to evn make a tiny effort to live up to your ignorant claims
of
> 'caring.'

I have nothing against imported foods. Farmers markets are
fine though limited. I like a mix of local and imported.

> >> > The intentional death is both more in-your-face
> >>
> >> In your face as opposed to burying your head about CDs?
> >
> > First of all, I don't believe there's as many deaths from
> > slow moving farm machinery as you trolls would have
> > me think.
> ========================
> Why not? HJave you seen some of them in action? The size? Of
course not.
> Besides fool, even those that do escape the machine are left without
any
> food and cover, so they die anyway, killer. They die because of your
> veggies! Their numbers are at unnatural levels for an area because
your
> crops have provided an unnatural amount of easy food and cover. Many
> animals can breed several times a season, and they offsping can breed
> several times too. Right when the numbers are at a peak, you take
away
> all the easy food and cover, leaving them to die of starvation and
> predation. They also cannot just all scurry off into the surrounding
areas
> because those areas will already be at their natural capacity.

If the machine is killing them off in such mass numbers,
how is it that they are back again in full force the next
year? Many rodents get to know the growing patterns
of their food, and will bury and store food during times
of plenty for leaner times.

> Secondly, any such deaths are accidental
> > and not as abhorrent as an intentional death.
> =============================
> Really? Why? They are just a s dead. And, they died in far more
brutal,
> inhumane ways than slaughterhouse animals do. Quite a selective
compassion
> you have there, hypocrite.

You'll never get it rickyboy. You haven't the moral
capacity to understand why the intentional death
is a more profound one. And whatever you think
of that, it's still quite stupid to suggest meat eating
to a vegetarian.

> Did you
> > know that a high number of serial killers start out by
> > killing animals intentionally? I'm not saying you're a
> > serial killer, but it says something of the mindset.
> ========================
> LOL What a hoot! Clueless urbanite...

You think it's funny? Did it hit a little too close to
home?

> > The vegan diet is not marginal. There is quite a lot
> > of variety in the foods. Go check out my recipe
> > directory if you don't believe it.
> ====================
> Sure, as long as you spice it up with imported foods from around the
world,
> killer. Those are far from being 'vegan' in terms of the death and
> suffering surrounding their transport, hypocrite. Besides, it does
not
> naturally provide all the vitamins you need.

The vegan can get all the nutrition needed to be healthy. Buying
imported however, means you can suppliment your health in a
variety of ways. The spice turmeric, for example, is very healthy
and has antibiotic properties. Imported (depending on where
you live) cranberry juice is a tonic for the kidneys and has lots
of nutrients. You can be healthy as a local vegan, but why not
be extra-healthy as an international vegan?

> >> Your childish sarcasm does nothing to address the fact that you
> >> willfully and frequently consume something which is bad for you on
> > many
> >> levels despite your claims to be interested in good health. You're
a
> >> charlatan.
> >
> > No charlatan. I truly believe that it is good for me on a number of
> > levels. I don't believe your 'facts' about its dangers. Most of
what
> > you claim, I've seen later disproven.
> =======================
> No, you haven't, or you would have posted it all over usenet, killer.

Nonsense. In case you haven't noticed I rarely post links. I don't
save them in hopes of debating them. My books have no bookmarks,
tv news goes unvideoed, and webpages unsaved for you. Look
it up yourself. There's plenty to refute the claims of danger.

> > That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
> > however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.
> =======================
> LOL Then why are they on your site with links? Anything that
proclaims
> that something is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then
m,akes no
> mention of the fact hat there are differing opinions is an
> activist/propagand site looking to scam the rubes.

On my recipe link site, I state clearly that all views, beliefs,
etc are those of the people who made the various recipe
sites. You will find activists, health nuts, food enthusiasts,
specialty food sites, etc. I go to those websites for recipes.
That's where my focus is. For scientific info, I go elsewhere.

> > By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
> > overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
> > lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
> > overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
> > for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
> > keep going down until they are extinct.
> ==================
> Clueless urbanite. You have no clue as to animals, do you killer?

Try reading my paragraph again. Did you take any
rudimentary mathematics when you were a kid?

> > If it could supply everyone, then the grasslands would have
> > to support dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds
> > of times the number of cows.
> =======================
> Hey, clueless urbanite, *ALL* beef cattle are already grass-fed for
almost
> their whole lives. The pasture is already there, dolt. they only
spend a
> feww wekks of their lives in feedlots. You really are a clueless
urbanite.

If that were true, then you wouldn't need to specially
buy meat marked grass fed, would you? Any old
supermarket meat will do. Is it also that way with
pork and poultry?

> >> > Face
> >> > it, the commercial meat industry supplies most meat eaters,
> >>
> >> Consumers drive demand, commercial supply doesn't drive demand.
> >
> > That's right, and your game and grass fed can't feed that demand.
> ============================
> ROTFLMAO And your so-called mythical veganic gardening can? You
really
> are too stupid for words, killer. We aren't talking about the masses,
we're
> talking about what *you* as an individual *could* do to improve your
bloody
> footprints. But, you're too lazy and stupid to do anything real, so
you
> have to focus only on what you think others are doing. Nice strawman,
> hypocrite, but one that's been knocked down many, many times...

You're babbling Ricky. What are you talking about? You know
full well that a vegan diet, even a supermarket one, reduces
the 'bloody footprint' at least a hundredfold. And we are talking
about the masses.

> > If you feel so strongly against the import and export
> > of foods, you must eat very bland meals. I think
> > that the import and export increases the variety
> > of foods availlable and is thus potentially more
> > healthful.
> ===========================
> Then you admit that a vegan diet is unhealthy without massive
importation?
> Thanks for proving that you diet is filled with death and suffering
and
> hypocrisy, killer.

It's quite healthy without importation, but I believe that the
variety importation brings can make one a bit healthier
yet.




--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message ...
> > >> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
> > >>
> > >> I know, you slacker.
> > >
> > > How does that make me a slacker?
> > ==================
> > It does prove the hypocrisy of the vegan position quite well though. Your
> > convenience comes first. Maybe you just like killing animals, eh?
>
> So, you're saying that convenience is stopping me from
> currently getting a farm? You don't make sense tricky
> ricky. Where's the hypocrasy or do you just see that
> everywhere due to your paranoia? What led you to
> suggest I like killing animals? Do you hear voices that
> tell you what to write/insult here?

Tricky Ricky

Confined within a closed mind
Apparitions roam vicious in intent
Making me believe, holding me captive
Lys are my truths
MY ignorance is taught
I don't know the truth
I'm not allowed
Confined within this narrow mind

My world is dark and cold
It's always black as night
The only light that I see is that which
trickles threw the fog of black Cloud
I sit on a tree stump and look out into the mist
Watching it crate shapes of abominable horrors that
Only appear in the darkest reaches of my mind
Dead trees surround me
Their branches reach for the sky and at me
As if seeking salvation from there mere existence


*

Awful, innit. .


<..>

> Tricky Ricky
>
> Confined within a closed mind
> Apparitions roam vicious in intent
> Making me believe, holding me captive
> Lys are my truths
> MY ignorance is taught
> I don't know the truth
> I'm not allowed
> Confined within this narrow mind
>
> My world is dark and cold
> It's always black as night
> The only light that I see is that which
> trickles threw the fog of black Cloud
> I sit on a tree stump and look out into the mist
> Watching it crate shapes of abominable horrors that
> Only appear in the darkest reaches of my mind
> Dead trees surround me
> Their branches reach for the sky and at me
> As if seeking salvation from there mere existence
>
>
> *
>
> Awful, innit. .

Yeah, but the poem's great! Must suck to be Ricky!

That soup I was going to post has to wait now till
next weekend, as things have gotten too busy, but
I haven't forgotten.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message ...
<..>
> > Awful, innit. .
>
> Yeah, but the poem's great! Must suck to be Ricky!

Mmm... Yes, really really really.

> That soup I was going to post has to wait now till
> next weekend, as things have gotten too busy, but
> I haven't forgotten.

Can't wait, .. so to speak.

>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...

snippage..

>
> Yeah, but the poem's great! Must suck to be Ricky!
> =================
Nope. And thanks for proving your willingness to contribute to unnecessary
animal death and suffering for nothing more than your entertainment,
hypocrite.
Must really hurt to be so stupid, eh killer?



> That soup I was going to post has to wait now till
> next weekend, as things have gotten too busy, but
> I haven't forgotten.
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message ...
<..>
> > Awful, innit. .
>
> Yeah, but the poem's great! Must suck to be Ricky!

Mmm... Yes, really really really.

> That soup I was going to post has to wait now till
> next weekend, as things have gotten too busy, but
> I haven't forgotten.

Can't wait, .. so to speak.

>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...

snippage..

>
> Yeah, but the poem's great! Must suck to be Ricky!
> =================
Nope. And thanks for proving your willingness to contribute to unnecessary
animal death and suffering for nothing more than your entertainment,
hypocrite.
Must really hurt to be so stupid, eh killer?



> That soup I was going to post has to wait now till
> next weekend, as things have gotten too busy, but
> I haven't forgotten.
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>

"pearl" > wrote in message
...
> "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > >> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
>> > >>
>> > >> I know, you slacker.
>> > >
>> > > How does that make me a slacker?
>> > ==================
>> > It does prove the hypocrisy of the vegan position quite well though.
>> > Your
>> > convenience comes first. Maybe you just like killing animals, eh?
>>
>> So, you're saying that convenience is stopping me from
>> currently getting a farm? You don't make sense tricky
>> ricky. Where's the hypocrasy or do you just see that
>> everywhere due to your paranoia? What led you to
>> suggest I like killing animals? Do you hear voices that
>> tell you what to write/insult here?
>
> Tricky Ricky
>
> Confined within a closed mind
=====================
Pearl, aka Lys, as usual, can't defend her diet, or anything else for that
matter...





snip usual drivel from the queen of lys....

======================
Where's your proof that organic farming never kills animals?

Continued evasion noted.

> Tricky Ricky
>
> Confined within a closed mind
> Apparitions roam vicious in intent
> Making me believe, holding me captive
> Lys are my truths
> MY ignorance is taught
> I don't know the truth
> I'm not allowed
> Confined within this narrow mind
>
> My world is dark and cold
> It's always black as night
> The only light that I see is that which
> trickles threw the fog of black Cloud
> I sit on a tree stump and look out into the mist
> Watching it crate shapes of abominable horrors that
> Only appear in the darkest reaches of my mind
> Dead trees surround me
> Their branches reach for the sky and at me
> As if seeking salvation from there mere existence
>
>
> *
>
> Awful, innit. .

Yeah, but the poem's great! Must suck to be Ricky!

That soup I was going to post has to wait now till
next weekend, as things have gotten too busy, but
I haven't forgotten.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

"pearl" > wrote in message
...
> "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > >> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
>> > >>
>> > >> I know, you slacker.
>> > >
>> > > How does that make me a slacker?
>> > ==================
>> > It does prove the hypocrisy of the vegan position quite well though.
>> > Your
>> > convenience comes first. Maybe you just like killing animals, eh?
>>
>> So, you're saying that convenience is stopping me from
>> currently getting a farm? You don't make sense tricky
>> ricky. Where's the hypocrasy or do you just see that
>> everywhere due to your paranoia? What led you to
>> suggest I like killing animals? Do you hear voices that
>> tell you what to write/insult here?
>
> Tricky Ricky
>
> Confined within a closed mind
=====================
Pearl, aka Lys, as usual, can't defend her diet, or anything else for that
matter...





snip usual drivel from the queen of lys....

======================
Where's your proof that organic farming never kills animals?

Continued evasion noted.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> >> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
>> >>
>> >> I know, you slacker.
>> >
>> > How does that make me a slacker?
>> ==================
>> It does prove the hypocrisy of the vegan position quite well though.
> Your
>> convenience comes first. Maybe you just like killing animals, eh?
>
> So, you're saying that convenience is stopping me from
> currently getting a farm? You don't make sense tricky
> ricky. Where's the hypocrasy or do you just see that
> everywhere due to your paranoia? What led you to
> suggest I like killing animals? Do you hear voices that
> tell you what to write/insult here?
=================
Nope. Just that you continue to come back here spewing your ignorance for
all the world to see, knowing that your participation is contributing to the
unnecessary death and suffering of animals. Thanks for more proof of your
hypocrisy, killer.

>
>> Just because
>> > I'm going to have to wait until retirement doesn't
>> > make me a slacker, just lucky or unlucky depending
>> > on how you look at it. Lucky for getting there
>> > someday, unlucky for it taking years. Slacking
>> > has nothing to do with it.
>> ==================
>> No, lazy hypocrisy says it all, killer.
>
> Says what? Explain yourself. Don't just insult
> without explaining. That makes it nonsense.
=====================
You claimed being a slacker wasn't the reason for your doing *nothing* to
save animals right now. I agreed, it's your hypocrisy that stops you from
saving animals....


>
>> >> > You say "widely available
>> >> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
>> >> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
>> >>
>> >> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out some
> of
>> >> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
>> >
>> > How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
>> > elsewhere?
>> ==================
>> Are you really that stupid, or do you work really really hard at it?
> Does
>> those imported fruits and veggies just drop out of the sky and land on
> your
>> plate like manna from heaven? You are so totally ignorant of the
> impact
>> your life has on animals and the environemnt the world over that it
> makes my
>> head spin. How can anybody be so willfully stupid?
>
> Well, if you think that the transportation industry is causing
> deaths speak up ricky.
==================
And you don't? Like I said, you're just too stupid to have done *any*
research into your impact on animals and the environment.


>
>> > And how does one tell them apart from others?
>> > The stores don't put the name of the farmers and
>> > locations for most foods.
>> ======================
>> Cluesless urbanite, as was said above. Have you even trid a farmers
>> market? I know for a fact that there are some in Toronto, killer.
> But no,
>> you haven't. You're too self-absorbed and selfish to actually go out
> of
>> your way to evn make a tiny effort to live up to your ignorant claims
> of
>> 'caring.'
>
> I have nothing against imported foods. Farmers markets are
> fine though limited. I like a mix of local and imported.
==================
Why? There is no necessaty to importing foods for your diet. Again, you do
it for your selfish reasons. Proving yet again that saving animals is not a
real concern to you.

>
>> >> > The intentional death is both more in-your-face
>> >>
>> >> In your face as opposed to burying your head about CDs?
>> >
>> > First of all, I don't believe there's as many deaths from
>> > slow moving farm machinery as you trolls would have
>> > me think.
>> ========================
>> Why not? HJave you seen some of them in action? The size? Of
> course not.
>> Besides fool, even those that do escape the machine are left without
> any
>> food and cover, so they die anyway, killer. They die because of your
>> veggies! Their numbers are at unnatural levels for an area because
> your
>> crops have provided an unnatural amount of easy food and cover. Many
>> animals can breed several times a season, and they offsping can breed
>> several times too. Right when the numbers are at a peak, you take
> away
>> all the easy food and cover, leaving them to die of starvation and
>> predation. They also cannot just all scurry off into the surrounding
> areas
>> because those areas will already be at their natural capacity.
>
> If the machine is killing them off in such mass numbers,
> how is it that they are back again in full force the next
> year?
=======================
Because fool, it only takes a few to repopulate an area when their is easy
food and cover. Try reading some of the sites I provided for you, killer.



Many rodents get to know the growing patterns
> of their food, and will bury and store food during times
> of plenty for leaner times.
========================
ROTFLMAO What a hoot!!!


>
>> Secondly, any such deaths are accidental
>> > and not as abhorrent as an intentional death.
>> =============================
>> Really? Why? They are just a s dead. And, they died in far more
> brutal,
>> inhumane ways than slaughterhouse animals do. Quite a selective
> compassion
>> you have there, hypocrite.
>
> You'll never get it rickyboy. You haven't the moral
> capacity to understand why the intentional death
> is a more profound one.
=======================
And you'll never understand that there is no difference. The deaths you
cause are not 'accidental' and many are deliberate and target specific
animals, hypocrite.


And whatever you think
> of that, it's still quite stupid to suggest meat eating
> to a vegetarian.
=======================
Nope. I never claimed you 'had' to fool. I just provided reasonable,
affordable, readily available options for those that are *really* concerned
about their bloody footprints. Dogmatic vegan fanatics are too engrossed in
the simple rule for their simple minds to understand that though. Pity the
animals you kill, hypocrite.


>
>> Did you
>> > know that a high number of serial killers start out by
>> > killing animals intentionally? I'm not saying you're a
>> > serial killer, but it says something of the mindset.
>> ========================
>> LOL What a hoot! Clueless urbanite...
>
> You think it's funny? Did it hit a little too close to
> home?
=================
Nope. Because you "kill" animals as much as I do, fool.

>
>> > The vegan diet is not marginal. There is quite a lot
>> > of variety in the foods. Go check out my recipe
>> > directory if you don't believe it.
>> ====================
>> Sure, as long as you spice it up with imported foods from around the
> world,
>> killer. Those are far from being 'vegan' in terms of the death and
>> suffering surrounding their transport, hypocrite. Besides, it does
> not
>> naturally provide all the vitamins you need.
>
> The vegan can get all the nutrition needed to be healthy.
=====================
No, they cannot naturally from the foods they eat. Unless of course you
like to eat crap....


Buying
> imported however, means you can suppliment your health in a
> variety of ways. The spice turmeric, for example, is very healthy
> and has antibiotic properties. Imported (depending on where
> you live) cranberry juice is a tonic for the kidneys and has lots
> of nutrients. You can be healthy as a local vegan, but why not
> be extra-healthy as an international vegan?
==================
LOL Because it kills even more animals than the rst of you're ignorant
diet, hypocrite. Remember the animals? They'er the ones you are supposed
to be trying to save.


>
>> >> Your childish sarcasm does nothing to address the fact that you
>> >> willfully and frequently consume something which is bad for you on
>> > many
>> >> levels despite your claims to be interested in good health. You're
> a
>> >> charlatan.
>> >
>> > No charlatan. I truly believe that it is good for me on a number of
>> > levels. I don't believe your 'facts' about its dangers. Most of
> what
>> > you claim, I've seen later disproven.
>> =======================
>> No, you haven't, or you would have posted it all over usenet, killer.
>
> Nonsense. In case you haven't noticed I rarely post links.
=======================
Because you have none that back up your so-called research, fool.

I don't
> save them in hopes of debating them. My books have no bookmarks,
> tv news goes unvideoed, and webpages unsaved for you. Look
> it up yourself. There's plenty to refute the claims of danger.
==========================
LOL I have, unlike you. And I have posted the sites, and guess what,
killer? They prove you wrong.


>
>> > That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
>> > however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.
>> =======================
>> LOL Then why are they on your site with links? Anything that
> proclaims
>> that something is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then
> m,akes no
>> mention of the fact hat there are differing opinions is an
>> activist/propagand site looking to scam the rubes.
>
> On my recipe link site, I state clearly that all views, beliefs,
> etc are those of the people who made the various recipe
> sites. You will find activists, health nuts, food enthusiasts,
> specialty food sites, etc. I go to those websites for recipes.
> That's where my focus is. For scientific info, I go elsewhere.
===============
Then you lied above, huh? You claimed you didn't go to 'activist' sites,
yet you link them from you page. What an ignorant dolt...

>
>> > By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
>> > overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
>> > lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
>> > overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
>> > for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
>> > keep going down until they are extinct.
>> ==================
>> Clueless urbanite. You have no clue as to animals, do you killer?
>
> Try reading my paragraph again. Did you take any
> rudimentary mathematics when you were a kid?
==================
Math has nothing to do with animal numbers fool. Deer are hunted now, and
guess what? Their numbers continue to rise, fool.


>
>> > If it could supply everyone, then the grasslands would have
>> > to support dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds
>> > of times the number of cows.
>> =======================
>> Hey, clueless urbanite, *ALL* beef cattle are already grass-fed for
> almost
>> their whole lives. The pasture is already there, dolt. they only
> spend a
>> feww wekks of their lives in feedlots. You really are a clueless
> urbanite.
>
> If that were true, then you wouldn't need to specially
> buy meat marked grass fed, would you?
========================
Yes, if you don't want meat that has been fed unnatural foods and chemicals,
fool. How they start out isn't what makes the difference.

Any old
> supermarket meat will do. Is it also that way with
> pork and poultry?
==================
I see your stupidity is still in full force, eh killer?


>
>> >> > Face
>> >> > it, the commercial meat industry supplies most meat eaters,
>> >>
>> >> Consumers drive demand, commercial supply doesn't drive demand.
>> >
>> > That's right, and your game and grass fed can't feed that demand.
>> ============================
>> ROTFLMAO And your so-called mythical veganic gardening can? You
> really
>> are too stupid for words, killer. We aren't talking about the masses,
> we're
>> talking about what *you* as an individual *could* do to improve your
> bloody
>> footprints. But, you're too lazy and stupid to do anything real, so
> you
>> have to focus only on what you think others are doing. Nice strawman,
>> hypocrite, but one that's been knocked down many, many times...
>
> You're babbling Ricky.
=====================
It's you that babbles, fool. You make claims that going veganic is the way
of the vegan, yet can't bring yourself to actully do it. Not only that, you
can't even provide any info that it currently supports any large number of
people at all! And then you turn around and claim that grass fed meat and
game isn't good because it can't 'feed the world.' You're a mass of
quivering apples and oranges, fool. So, like I said, you focus entirely on
what 'thers' are doing, just so you can exclude your own hypocritical diet
from the discussion, killer.


What are you talking about? You know
> full well that a vegan diet, even a supermarket one, reduces
> the 'bloody footprint' at least a hundredfold.
==========================
No, we don't fool. Provide your numbers.

And we are talking
> about the masses.
================
Only you are, because you cannot defend you diet. The discussion has been
about what an indivdual *could* do if they were really interested in saving
animals. You have obviously proven that that is not a concern of yours,
killer.


>
>> > If you feel so strongly against the import and export
>> > of foods, you must eat very bland meals. I think
>> > that the import and export increases the variety
>> > of foods availlable and is thus potentially more
>> > healthful.
>> ===========================
>> Then you admit that a vegan diet is unhealthy without massive
> importation?
>> Thanks for proving that you diet is filled with death and suffering
> and
>> hypocrisy, killer.
>
> It's quite healthy without importation, but I believe that the
> variety importation brings can make one a bit healthier
> yet.
==================
And kill even more and more animals, and destroy even more of the world.
Both kinda at odds with the real vegan philosophy, hypocrite.

>
>
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>

> >> >> > You say "widely available
> >> >> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
> >> >> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
> >> >>
> >> >> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out
some
> > of
> >> >> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
> >> >
> >> > How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
> >> > elsewhere?
> >> ==================
> >> Are you really that stupid, or do you work really really hard at
it?
> > Does
> >> those imported fruits and veggies just drop out of the sky and land
on
> > your
> >> plate like manna from heaven? You are so totally ignorant of the
> > impact
> >> your life has on animals and the environemnt the world over that it
> > makes my
> >> head spin. How can anybody be so willfully stupid?
> >
> > Well, if you think that the transportation industry is causing
> > deaths speak up ricky.
> ==================
> And you don't? Like I said, you're just too stupid to have done
*any*
> research into your impact on animals and the environment.

So, if the transportation industry, both national and international,
causes animal deaths, then are you suggesting that vegans
give up their clothing, tvs, mattresses, stoves, etc.?

You certainly have some overly high expectations of
what you think vegans should do. It's funny that it's
the non-vegan, insulting trolls that have ridiculous
expectations.

> > I have nothing against imported foods. Farmers markets are
> > fine though limited. I like a mix of local and imported.
> ==================
> Why? There is no necessaty to importing foods for your diet. Again,
you do
> it for your selfish reasons. Proving yet again that saving animals is
not a
> real concern to you.

> Many rodents get to know the growing patterns
> > of their food, and will bury and store food during times
> > of plenty for leaner times.
> ========================
> ROTFLMAO What a hoot!!!

No, an owl is a hoot. Food storage by rodents
is a well known fact.

> > The vegan can get all the nutrition needed to be healthy.
> =====================
> No, they cannot naturally from the foods they eat. Unless of course
you
> like to eat crap....

Nonsense. There are b12 supplements if one's
intestinal flora aren't producing and absorbing it.

> >> > That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
> >> > however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.
> >> =======================
> >> LOL Then why are they on your site with links? Anything that
> > proclaims
> >> that something is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then
> > m,akes no
> >> mention of the fact hat there are differing opinions is an
> >> activist/propagand site looking to scam the rubes.
> >
> > On my recipe link site, I state clearly that all views, beliefs,
> > etc are those of the people who made the various recipe
> > sites. You will find activists, health nuts, food enthusiasts,
> > specialty food sites, etc. I go to those websites for recipes.
> > That's where my focus is. For scientific info, I go elsewhere.
> ===============
> Then you lied above, huh? You claimed you didn't go to 'activist'
sites,
> yet you link them from you page. What an ignorant dolt...

I have been the activist's recipe sites. I go for the
recipes. I don't hang around to join a cause, even
though it's a good one.

> >> > By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
> >> > overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
> >> > lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
> >> > overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
> >> > for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
> >> > keep going down until they are extinct.
> >> ==================
> >> Clueless urbanite. You have no clue as to animals, do you killer?
> >
> > Try reading my paragraph again. Did you take any
> > rudimentary mathematics when you were a kid?
> ==================
> Math has nothing to do with animal numbers fool. Deer are hunted
now, and
> guess what? Their numbers continue to rise, fool.

Try increasing the hunt to replace all factory farmed
meat. You'll see extinction soon enough.



--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> >> >> > You say "widely available
>> >> >> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
>> >> >> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out
> some
>> > of
>> >> >> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
>> >> >
>> >> > How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
>> >> > elsewhere?
>> >> ==================
>> >> Are you really that stupid, or do you work really really hard at
> it?
>> > Does
>> >> those imported fruits and veggies just drop out of the sky and land
> on
>> > your
>> >> plate like manna from heaven? You are so totally ignorant of the
>> > impact
>> >> your life has on animals and the environemnt the world over that it
>> > makes my
>> >> head spin. How can anybody be so willfully stupid?
>> >
>> > Well, if you think that the transportation industry is causing
>> > deaths speak up ricky.
>> ==================
>> And you don't? Like I said, you're just too stupid to have done
> *any*
>> research into your impact on animals and the environment.
>
> So, if the transportation industry, both national and international,
> causes animal deaths, then are you suggesting that vegans
> give up their clothing, tvs, mattresses, stoves, etc.?
===========================
If you truly believed in what you spew, then yes. Your problem is that you
don't even try to reduce your impact. In fact, you have made a point of
acknowledging the fact that you go out of your way to ensure that you use
imported products. Quite compassionate of you, eh hypocrite?


>
> You certainly have some overly high expectations of
> what you think vegans should do. It's funny that it's
> the non-vegan, insulting trolls that have ridiculous
> expectations.
====================
LOL They aren't *my* expectations fool. They are your own words of spewing
that *YOU* care about animals when all you really do is follow the simple
rule for your simple mind that your religion demands of you. Obviously you
care nothing about your own contributions to unnecessary animal death and
suffering.


>
>> > I have nothing against imported foods. Farmers markets are
>> > fine though limited. I like a mix of local and imported.
>> ==================
>> Why? There is no necessaty to importing foods for your diet. Again,
> you do
>> it for your selfish reasons. Proving yet again that saving animals is
> not a
>> real concern to you.
>
>> Many rodents get to know the growing patterns
>> > of their food, and will bury and store food during times
>> > of plenty for leaner times.
>> ========================
>> ROTFLMAO What a hoot!!!
>
> No, an owl is a hoot. Food storage by rodents
> is a well known fact.
======================
Yeah fool, they take the poisons they are deliberate fed back to their nests
while their guts turn to mush over a few days. How is that compassionate,
killer?


>
>> > The vegan can get all the nutrition needed to be healthy.
>> =====================
>> No, they cannot naturally from the foods they eat. Unless of course
> you
>> like to eat crap....
>
> Nonsense. There are b12 supplements if one's
> intestinal flora aren't producing and absorbing it.
====================
You don't absorb your own b12, fool. So much for all the research you've
claimed to have done. And then there is the suppliments. Back to depending
on the petro-chemical industry again, I see. Are you a shill for big
industry? How much of a cut do you get for promoting all this extra killing
you propose, hypocrite?


>
>> >> > That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
>> >> > however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.
>> >> =======================
>> >> LOL Then why are they on your site with links? Anything that
>> > proclaims
>> >> that something is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then
>> > m,akes no
>> >> mention of the fact hat there are differing opinions is an
>> >> activist/propagand site looking to scam the rubes.
>> >
>> > On my recipe link site, I state clearly that all views, beliefs,
>> > etc are those of the people who made the various recipe
>> > sites. You will find activists, health nuts, food enthusiasts,
>> > specialty food sites, etc. I go to those websites for recipes.
>> > That's where my focus is. For scientific info, I go elsewhere.
>> ===============
>> Then you lied above, huh? You claimed you didn't go to 'activist'
> sites,
>> yet you link them from you page. What an ignorant dolt...
>
> I have been the activist's recipe sites. I go for the
> recipes. I don't hang around to join a cause, even
> though it's a good one.
================
Then you did ly? You claimed you didn't go to them.

>
>> >> > By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
>> >> > overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
>> >> > lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
>> >> > overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
>> >> > for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
>> >> > keep going down until they are extinct.
>> >> ==================
>> >> Clueless urbanite. You have no clue as to animals, do you killer?
>> >
>> > Try reading my paragraph again. Did you take any
>> > rudimentary mathematics when you were a kid?
>> ==================
>> Math has nothing to do with animal numbers fool. Deer are hunted
> now, and
>> guess what? Their numbers continue to rise, fool.
>
> Try increasing the hunt to replace all factory farmed
> meat. You'll see extinction soon enough.
==================
Why? We are talking about what an individual could do to improve their
impact on animals and the environment, not the masses. Why is it you want
to compare apples and oranges when it comes to what can 'feed the world,'
fool?


>
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> >> >> > You say "widely available
>> >> >> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
>> >> >> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out
> some
>> > of
>> >> >> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
>> >> >
>> >> > How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
>> >> > elsewhere?
>> >> ==================
>> >> Are you really that stupid, or do you work really really hard at
> it?
>> > Does
>> >> those imported fruits and veggies just drop out of the sky and land
> on
>> > your
>> >> plate like manna from heaven? You are so totally ignorant of the
>> > impact
>> >> your life has on animals and the environemnt the world over that it
>> > makes my
>> >> head spin. How can anybody be so willfully stupid?
>> >
>> > Well, if you think that the transportation industry is causing
>> > deaths speak up ricky.
>> ==================
>> And you don't? Like I said, you're just too stupid to have done
> *any*
>> research into your impact on animals and the environment.
>
> So, if the transportation industry, both national and international,
> causes animal deaths, then are you suggesting that vegans
> give up their clothing, tvs, mattresses, stoves, etc.?
===========================
If you truly believed in what you spew, then yes. Your problem is that you
don't even try to reduce your impact. In fact, you have made a point of
acknowledging the fact that you go out of your way to ensure that you use
imported products. Quite compassionate of you, eh hypocrite?


>
> You certainly have some overly high expectations of
> what you think vegans should do. It's funny that it's
> the non-vegan, insulting trolls that have ridiculous
> expectations.
====================
LOL They aren't *my* expectations fool. They are your own words of spewing
that *YOU* care about animals when all you really do is follow the simple
rule for your simple mind that your religion demands of you. Obviously you
care nothing about your own contributions to unnecessary animal death and
suffering.


>
>> > I have nothing against imported foods. Farmers markets are
>> > fine though limited. I like a mix of local and imported.
>> ==================
>> Why? There is no necessaty to importing foods for your diet. Again,
> you do
>> it for your selfish reasons. Proving yet again that saving animals is
> not a
>> real concern to you.
>
>> Many rodents get to know the growing patterns
>> > of their food, and will bury and store food during times
>> > of plenty for leaner times.
>> ========================
>> ROTFLMAO What a hoot!!!
>
> No, an owl is a hoot. Food storage by rodents
> is a well known fact.
======================
Yeah fool, they take the poisons they are deliberate fed back to their nests
while their guts turn to mush over a few days. How is that compassionate,
killer?


>
>> > The vegan can get all the nutrition needed to be healthy.
>> =====================
>> No, they cannot naturally from the foods they eat. Unless of course
> you
>> like to eat crap....
>
> Nonsense. There are b12 supplements if one's
> intestinal flora aren't producing and absorbing it.
====================
You don't absorb your own b12, fool. So much for all the research you've
claimed to have done. And then there is the suppliments. Back to depending
on the petro-chemical industry again, I see. Are you a shill for big
industry? How much of a cut do you get for promoting all this extra killing
you propose, hypocrite?


>
>> >> > That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
>> >> > however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.
>> >> =======================
>> >> LOL Then why are they on your site with links? Anything that
>> > proclaims
>> >> that something is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then
>> > m,akes no
>> >> mention of the fact hat there are differing opinions is an
>> >> activist/propagand site looking to scam the rubes.
>> >
>> > On my recipe link site, I state clearly that all views, beliefs,
>> > etc are those of the people who made the various recipe
>> > sites. You will find activists, health nuts, food enthusiasts,
>> > specialty food sites, etc. I go to those websites for recipes.
>> > That's where my focus is. For scientific info, I go elsewhere.
>> ===============
>> Then you lied above, huh? You claimed you didn't go to 'activist'
> sites,
>> yet you link them from you page. What an ignorant dolt...
>
> I have been the activist's recipe sites. I go for the
> recipes. I don't hang around to join a cause, even
> though it's a good one.
================
Then you did ly? You claimed you didn't go to them.

>
>> >> > By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
>> >> > overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
>> >> > lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
>> >> > overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
>> >> > for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
>> >> > keep going down until they are extinct.
>> >> ==================
>> >> Clueless urbanite. You have no clue as to animals, do you killer?
>> >
>> > Try reading my paragraph again. Did you take any
>> > rudimentary mathematics when you were a kid?
>> ==================
>> Math has nothing to do with animal numbers fool. Deer are hunted
> now, and
>> guess what? Their numbers continue to rise, fool.
>
> Try increasing the hunt to replace all factory farmed
> meat. You'll see extinction soon enough.
==================
Why? We are talking about what an individual could do to improve their
impact on animals and the environment, not the masses. Why is it you want
to compare apples and oranges when it comes to what can 'feed the world,'
fool?


>
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>

> >> >> > You say "widely available
> >> >> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
> >> >> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
> >> >>
> >> >> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out
some
> > of
> >> >> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
> >> >
> >> > How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
> >> > elsewhere?
> >> ==================
> >> Are you really that stupid, or do you work really really hard at
it?
> > Does
> >> those imported fruits and veggies just drop out of the sky and land
on
> > your
> >> plate like manna from heaven? You are so totally ignorant of the
> > impact
> >> your life has on animals and the environemnt the world over that it
> > makes my
> >> head spin. How can anybody be so willfully stupid?
> >
> > Well, if you think that the transportation industry is causing
> > deaths speak up ricky.
> ==================
> And you don't? Like I said, you're just too stupid to have done
*any*
> research into your impact on animals and the environment.

So, if the transportation industry, both national and international,
causes animal deaths, then are you suggesting that vegans
give up their clothing, tvs, mattresses, stoves, etc.?

You certainly have some overly high expectations of
what you think vegans should do. It's funny that it's
the non-vegan, insulting trolls that have ridiculous
expectations.

> > I have nothing against imported foods. Farmers markets are
> > fine though limited. I like a mix of local and imported.
> ==================
> Why? There is no necessaty to importing foods for your diet. Again,
you do
> it for your selfish reasons. Proving yet again that saving animals is
not a
> real concern to you.

> Many rodents get to know the growing patterns
> > of their food, and will bury and store food during times
> > of plenty for leaner times.
> ========================
> ROTFLMAO What a hoot!!!

No, an owl is a hoot. Food storage by rodents
is a well known fact.

> > The vegan can get all the nutrition needed to be healthy.
> =====================
> No, they cannot naturally from the foods they eat. Unless of course
you
> like to eat crap....

Nonsense. There are b12 supplements if one's
intestinal flora aren't producing and absorbing it.

> >> > That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
> >> > however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.
> >> =======================
> >> LOL Then why are they on your site with links? Anything that
> > proclaims
> >> that something is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then
> > m,akes no
> >> mention of the fact hat there are differing opinions is an
> >> activist/propagand site looking to scam the rubes.
> >
> > On my recipe link site, I state clearly that all views, beliefs,
> > etc are those of the people who made the various recipe
> > sites. You will find activists, health nuts, food enthusiasts,
> > specialty food sites, etc. I go to those websites for recipes.
> > That's where my focus is. For scientific info, I go elsewhere.
> ===============
> Then you lied above, huh? You claimed you didn't go to 'activist'
sites,
> yet you link them from you page. What an ignorant dolt...

I have been the activist's recipe sites. I go for the
recipes. I don't hang around to join a cause, even
though it's a good one.

> >> > By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
> >> > overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
> >> > lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
> >> > overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
> >> > for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
> >> > keep going down until they are extinct.
> >> ==================
> >> Clueless urbanite. You have no clue as to animals, do you killer?
> >
> > Try reading my paragraph again. Did you take any
> > rudimentary mathematics when you were a kid?
> ==================
> Math has nothing to do with animal numbers fool. Deer are hunted
now, and
> guess what? Their numbers continue to rise, fool.

Try increasing the hunt to replace all factory farmed
meat. You'll see extinction soon enough.



--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message ...
> > >> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
> > >>
> > >> I know, you slacker.
> > >
> > > How does that make me a slacker?
> > ==================
> > It does prove the hypocrisy of the vegan position quite well though. Your
> > convenience comes first. Maybe you just like killing animals, eh?
>
> So, you're saying that convenience is stopping me from
> currently getting a farm? You don't make sense tricky
> ricky. Where's the hypocrasy or do you just see that
> everywhere due to your paranoia? What led you to
> suggest I like killing animals? Do you hear voices that
> tell you what to write/insult here?

Tricky Ricky

Confined within a closed mind
Apparitions roam vicious in intent
Making me believe, holding me captive
Lys are my truths
MY ignorance is taught
I don't know the truth
I'm not allowed
Confined within this narrow mind

My world is dark and cold
It's always black as night
The only light that I see is that which
trickles threw the fog of black Cloud
I sit on a tree stump and look out into the mist
Watching it crate shapes of abominable horrors that
Only appear in the darkest reaches of my mind
Dead trees surround me
Their branches reach for the sky and at me
As if seeking salvation from there mere existence


*

Awful, innit. .


<..>

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> >> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
>> >>
>> >> I know, you slacker.
>> >
>> > How does that make me a slacker?
>> ==================
>> It does prove the hypocrisy of the vegan position quite well though.
> Your
>> convenience comes first. Maybe you just like killing animals, eh?
>
> So, you're saying that convenience is stopping me from
> currently getting a farm? You don't make sense tricky
> ricky. Where's the hypocrasy or do you just see that
> everywhere due to your paranoia? What led you to
> suggest I like killing animals? Do you hear voices that
> tell you what to write/insult here?
=================
Nope. Just that you continue to come back here spewing your ignorance for
all the world to see, knowing that your participation is contributing to the
unnecessary death and suffering of animals. Thanks for more proof of your
hypocrisy, killer.

>
>> Just because
>> > I'm going to have to wait until retirement doesn't
>> > make me a slacker, just lucky or unlucky depending
>> > on how you look at it. Lucky for getting there
>> > someday, unlucky for it taking years. Slacking
>> > has nothing to do with it.
>> ==================
>> No, lazy hypocrisy says it all, killer.
>
> Says what? Explain yourself. Don't just insult
> without explaining. That makes it nonsense.
=====================
You claimed being a slacker wasn't the reason for your doing *nothing* to
save animals right now. I agreed, it's your hypocrisy that stops you from
saving animals....


>
>> >> > You say "widely available
>> >> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
>> >> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
>> >>
>> >> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out some
> of
>> >> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
>> >
>> > How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
>> > elsewhere?
>> ==================
>> Are you really that stupid, or do you work really really hard at it?
> Does
>> those imported fruits and veggies just drop out of the sky and land on
> your
>> plate like manna from heaven? You are so totally ignorant of the
> impact
>> your life has on animals and the environemnt the world over that it
> makes my
>> head spin. How can anybody be so willfully stupid?
>
> Well, if you think that the transportation industry is causing
> deaths speak up ricky.
==================
And you don't? Like I said, you're just too stupid to have done *any*
research into your impact on animals and the environment.


>
>> > And how does one tell them apart from others?
>> > The stores don't put the name of the farmers and
>> > locations for most foods.
>> ======================
>> Cluesless urbanite, as was said above. Have you even trid a farmers
>> market? I know for a fact that there are some in Toronto, killer.
> But no,
>> you haven't. You're too self-absorbed and selfish to actually go out
> of
>> your way to evn make a tiny effort to live up to your ignorant claims
> of
>> 'caring.'
>
> I have nothing against imported foods. Farmers markets are
> fine though limited. I like a mix of local and imported.
==================
Why? There is no necessaty to importing foods for your diet. Again, you do
it for your selfish reasons. Proving yet again that saving animals is not a
real concern to you.

>
>> >> > The intentional death is both more in-your-face
>> >>
>> >> In your face as opposed to burying your head about CDs?
>> >
>> > First of all, I don't believe there's as many deaths from
>> > slow moving farm machinery as you trolls would have
>> > me think.
>> ========================
>> Why not? HJave you seen some of them in action? The size? Of
> course not.
>> Besides fool, even those that do escape the machine are left without
> any
>> food and cover, so they die anyway, killer. They die because of your
>> veggies! Their numbers are at unnatural levels for an area because
> your
>> crops have provided an unnatural amount of easy food and cover. Many
>> animals can breed several times a season, and they offsping can breed
>> several times too. Right when the numbers are at a peak, you take
> away
>> all the easy food and cover, leaving them to die of starvation and
>> predation. They also cannot just all scurry off into the surrounding
> areas
>> because those areas will already be at their natural capacity.
>
> If the machine is killing them off in such mass numbers,
> how is it that they are back again in full force the next
> year?
=======================
Because fool, it only takes a few to repopulate an area when their is easy
food and cover. Try reading some of the sites I provided for you, killer.



Many rodents get to know the growing patterns
> of their food, and will bury and store food during times
> of plenty for leaner times.
========================
ROTFLMAO What a hoot!!!


>
>> Secondly, any such deaths are accidental
>> > and not as abhorrent as an intentional death.
>> =============================
>> Really? Why? They are just a s dead. And, they died in far more
> brutal,
>> inhumane ways than slaughterhouse animals do. Quite a selective
> compassion
>> you have there, hypocrite.
>
> You'll never get it rickyboy. You haven't the moral
> capacity to understand why the intentional death
> is a more profound one.
=======================
And you'll never understand that there is no difference. The deaths you
cause are not 'accidental' and many are deliberate and target specific
animals, hypocrite.


And whatever you think
> of that, it's still quite stupid to suggest meat eating
> to a vegetarian.
=======================
Nope. I never claimed you 'had' to fool. I just provided reasonable,
affordable, readily available options for those that are *really* concerned
about their bloody footprints. Dogmatic vegan fanatics are too engrossed in
the simple rule for their simple minds to understand that though. Pity the
animals you kill, hypocrite.


>
>> Did you
>> > know that a high number of serial killers start out by
>> > killing animals intentionally? I'm not saying you're a
>> > serial killer, but it says something of the mindset.
>> ========================
>> LOL What a hoot! Clueless urbanite...
>
> You think it's funny? Did it hit a little too close to
> home?
=================
Nope. Because you "kill" animals as much as I do, fool.

>
>> > The vegan diet is not marginal. There is quite a lot
>> > of variety in the foods. Go check out my recipe
>> > directory if you don't believe it.
>> ====================
>> Sure, as long as you spice it up with imported foods from around the
> world,
>> killer. Those are far from being 'vegan' in terms of the death and
>> suffering surrounding their transport, hypocrite. Besides, it does
> not
>> naturally provide all the vitamins you need.
>
> The vegan can get all the nutrition needed to be healthy.
=====================
No, they cannot naturally from the foods they eat. Unless of course you
like to eat crap....


Buying
> imported however, means you can suppliment your health in a
> variety of ways. The spice turmeric, for example, is very healthy
> and has antibiotic properties. Imported (depending on where
> you live) cranberry juice is a tonic for the kidneys and has lots
> of nutrients. You can be healthy as a local vegan, but why not
> be extra-healthy as an international vegan?
==================
LOL Because it kills even more animals than the rst of you're ignorant
diet, hypocrite. Remember the animals? They'er the ones you are supposed
to be trying to save.


>
>> >> Your childish sarcasm does nothing to address the fact that you
>> >> willfully and frequently consume something which is bad for you on
>> > many
>> >> levels despite your claims to be interested in good health. You're
> a
>> >> charlatan.
>> >
>> > No charlatan. I truly believe that it is good for me on a number of
>> > levels. I don't believe your 'facts' about its dangers. Most of
> what
>> > you claim, I've seen later disproven.
>> =======================
>> No, you haven't, or you would have posted it all over usenet, killer.
>
> Nonsense. In case you haven't noticed I rarely post links.
=======================
Because you have none that back up your so-called research, fool.

I don't
> save them in hopes of debating them. My books have no bookmarks,
> tv news goes unvideoed, and webpages unsaved for you. Look
> it up yourself. There's plenty to refute the claims of danger.
==========================
LOL I have, unlike you. And I have posted the sites, and guess what,
killer? They prove you wrong.


>
>> > That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
>> > however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.
>> =======================
>> LOL Then why are they on your site with links? Anything that
> proclaims
>> that something is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then
> m,akes no
>> mention of the fact hat there are differing opinions is an
>> activist/propagand site looking to scam the rubes.
>
> On my recipe link site, I state clearly that all views, beliefs,
> etc are those of the people who made the various recipe
> sites. You will find activists, health nuts, food enthusiasts,
> specialty food sites, etc. I go to those websites for recipes.
> That's where my focus is. For scientific info, I go elsewhere.
===============
Then you lied above, huh? You claimed you didn't go to 'activist' sites,
yet you link them from you page. What an ignorant dolt...

>
>> > By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
>> > overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
>> > lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
>> > overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
>> > for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
>> > keep going down until they are extinct.
>> ==================
>> Clueless urbanite. You have no clue as to animals, do you killer?
>
> Try reading my paragraph again. Did you take any
> rudimentary mathematics when you were a kid?
==================
Math has nothing to do with animal numbers fool. Deer are hunted now, and
guess what? Their numbers continue to rise, fool.


>
>> > If it could supply everyone, then the grasslands would have
>> > to support dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds
>> > of times the number of cows.
>> =======================
>> Hey, clueless urbanite, *ALL* beef cattle are already grass-fed for
> almost
>> their whole lives. The pasture is already there, dolt. they only
> spend a
>> feww wekks of their lives in feedlots. You really are a clueless
> urbanite.
>
> If that were true, then you wouldn't need to specially
> buy meat marked grass fed, would you?
========================
Yes, if you don't want meat that has been fed unnatural foods and chemicals,
fool. How they start out isn't what makes the difference.

Any old
> supermarket meat will do. Is it also that way with
> pork and poultry?
==================
I see your stupidity is still in full force, eh killer?


>
>> >> > Face
>> >> > it, the commercial meat industry supplies most meat eaters,
>> >>
>> >> Consumers drive demand, commercial supply doesn't drive demand.
>> >
>> > That's right, and your game and grass fed can't feed that demand.
>> ============================
>> ROTFLMAO And your so-called mythical veganic gardening can? You
> really
>> are too stupid for words, killer. We aren't talking about the masses,
> we're
>> talking about what *you* as an individual *could* do to improve your
> bloody
>> footprints. But, you're too lazy and stupid to do anything real, so
> you
>> have to focus only on what you think others are doing. Nice strawman,
>> hypocrite, but one that's been knocked down many, many times...
>
> You're babbling Ricky.
=====================
It's you that babbles, fool. You make claims that going veganic is the way
of the vegan, yet can't bring yourself to actully do it. Not only that, you
can't even provide any info that it currently supports any large number of
people at all! And then you turn around and claim that grass fed meat and
game isn't good because it can't 'feed the world.' You're a mass of
quivering apples and oranges, fool. So, like I said, you focus entirely on
what 'thers' are doing, just so you can exclude your own hypocritical diet
from the discussion, killer.


What are you talking about? You know
> full well that a vegan diet, even a supermarket one, reduces
> the 'bloody footprint' at least a hundredfold.
==========================
No, we don't fool. Provide your numbers.

And we are talking
> about the masses.
================
Only you are, because you cannot defend you diet. The discussion has been
about what an indivdual *could* do if they were really interested in saving
animals. You have obviously proven that that is not a concern of yours,
killer.


>
>> > If you feel so strongly against the import and export
>> > of foods, you must eat very bland meals. I think
>> > that the import and export increases the variety
>> > of foods availlable and is thus potentially more
>> > healthful.
>> ===========================
>> Then you admit that a vegan diet is unhealthy without massive
> importation?
>> Thanks for proving that you diet is filled with death and suffering
> and
>> hypocrisy, killer.
>
> It's quite healthy without importation, but I believe that the
> variety importation brings can make one a bit healthier
> yet.
==================
And kill even more and more animals, and destroy even more of the world.
Both kinda at odds with the real vegan philosophy, hypocrite.

>
>
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>

> >> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
> >>
> >> I know, you slacker.
> >
> > How does that make me a slacker?
> ==================
> It does prove the hypocrisy of the vegan position quite well though.
Your
> convenience comes first. Maybe you just like killing animals, eh?

So, you're saying that convenience is stopping me from
currently getting a farm? You don't make sense tricky
ricky. Where's the hypocrasy or do you just see that
everywhere due to your paranoia? What led you to
suggest I like killing animals? Do you hear voices that
tell you what to write/insult here?

> Just because
> > I'm going to have to wait until retirement doesn't
> > make me a slacker, just lucky or unlucky depending
> > on how you look at it. Lucky for getting there
> > someday, unlucky for it taking years. Slacking
> > has nothing to do with it.
> ==================
> No, lazy hypocrisy says it all, killer.

Says what? Explain yourself. Don't just insult
without explaining. That makes it nonsense.

> >> > You say "widely available
> >> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
> >> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
> >>
> >> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out some
of
> >> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
> >
> > How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
> > elsewhere?
> ==================
> Are you really that stupid, or do you work really really hard at it?
Does
> those imported fruits and veggies just drop out of the sky and land on
your
> plate like manna from heaven? You are so totally ignorant of the
impact
> your life has on animals and the environemnt the world over that it
makes my
> head spin. How can anybody be so willfully stupid?

Well, if you think that the transportation industry is causing
deaths speak up ricky.

> > And how does one tell them apart from others?
> > The stores don't put the name of the farmers and
> > locations for most foods.
> ======================
> Cluesless urbanite, as was said above. Have you even trid a farmers
> market? I know for a fact that there are some in Toronto, killer.
But no,
> you haven't. You're too self-absorbed and selfish to actually go out
of
> your way to evn make a tiny effort to live up to your ignorant claims
of
> 'caring.'

I have nothing against imported foods. Farmers markets are
fine though limited. I like a mix of local and imported.

> >> > The intentional death is both more in-your-face
> >>
> >> In your face as opposed to burying your head about CDs?
> >
> > First of all, I don't believe there's as many deaths from
> > slow moving farm machinery as you trolls would have
> > me think.
> ========================
> Why not? HJave you seen some of them in action? The size? Of
course not.
> Besides fool, even those that do escape the machine are left without
any
> food and cover, so they die anyway, killer. They die because of your
> veggies! Their numbers are at unnatural levels for an area because
your
> crops have provided an unnatural amount of easy food and cover. Many
> animals can breed several times a season, and they offsping can breed
> several times too. Right when the numbers are at a peak, you take
away
> all the easy food and cover, leaving them to die of starvation and
> predation. They also cannot just all scurry off into the surrounding
areas
> because those areas will already be at their natural capacity.

If the machine is killing them off in such mass numbers,
how is it that they are back again in full force the next
year? Many rodents get to know the growing patterns
of their food, and will bury and store food during times
of plenty for leaner times.

> Secondly, any such deaths are accidental
> > and not as abhorrent as an intentional death.
> =============================
> Really? Why? They are just a s dead. And, they died in far more
brutal,
> inhumane ways than slaughterhouse animals do. Quite a selective
compassion
> you have there, hypocrite.

You'll never get it rickyboy. You haven't the moral
capacity to understand why the intentional death
is a more profound one. And whatever you think
of that, it's still quite stupid to suggest meat eating
to a vegetarian.

> Did you
> > know that a high number of serial killers start out by
> > killing animals intentionally? I'm not saying you're a
> > serial killer, but it says something of the mindset.
> ========================
> LOL What a hoot! Clueless urbanite...

You think it's funny? Did it hit a little too close to
home?

> > The vegan diet is not marginal. There is quite a lot
> > of variety in the foods. Go check out my recipe
> > directory if you don't believe it.
> ====================
> Sure, as long as you spice it up with imported foods from around the
world,
> killer. Those are far from being 'vegan' in terms of the death and
> suffering surrounding their transport, hypocrite. Besides, it does
not
> naturally provide all the vitamins you need.

The vegan can get all the nutrition needed to be healthy. Buying
imported however, means you can suppliment your health in a
variety of ways. The spice turmeric, for example, is very healthy
and has antibiotic properties. Imported (depending on where
you live) cranberry juice is a tonic for the kidneys and has lots
of nutrients. You can be healthy as a local vegan, but why not
be extra-healthy as an international vegan?

> >> Your childish sarcasm does nothing to address the fact that you
> >> willfully and frequently consume something which is bad for you on
> > many
> >> levels despite your claims to be interested in good health. You're
a
> >> charlatan.
> >
> > No charlatan. I truly believe that it is good for me on a number of
> > levels. I don't believe your 'facts' about its dangers. Most of
what
> > you claim, I've seen later disproven.
> =======================
> No, you haven't, or you would have posted it all over usenet, killer.

Nonsense. In case you haven't noticed I rarely post links. I don't
save them in hopes of debating them. My books have no bookmarks,
tv news goes unvideoed, and webpages unsaved for you. Look
it up yourself. There's plenty to refute the claims of danger.

> > That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
> > however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.
> =======================
> LOL Then why are they on your site with links? Anything that
proclaims
> that something is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then
m,akes no
> mention of the fact hat there are differing opinions is an
> activist/propagand site looking to scam the rubes.

On my recipe link site, I state clearly that all views, beliefs,
etc are those of the people who made the various recipe
sites. You will find activists, health nuts, food enthusiasts,
specialty food sites, etc. I go to those websites for recipes.
That's where my focus is. For scientific info, I go elsewhere.

> > By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
> > overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
> > lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
> > overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
> > for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
> > keep going down until they are extinct.
> ==================
> Clueless urbanite. You have no clue as to animals, do you killer?

Try reading my paragraph again. Did you take any
rudimentary mathematics when you were a kid?

> > If it could supply everyone, then the grasslands would have
> > to support dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds
> > of times the number of cows.
> =======================
> Hey, clueless urbanite, *ALL* beef cattle are already grass-fed for
almost
> their whole lives. The pasture is already there, dolt. they only
spend a
> feww wekks of their lives in feedlots. You really are a clueless
urbanite.

If that were true, then you wouldn't need to specially
buy meat marked grass fed, would you? Any old
supermarket meat will do. Is it also that way with
pork and poultry?

> >> > Face
> >> > it, the commercial meat industry supplies most meat eaters,
> >>
> >> Consumers drive demand, commercial supply doesn't drive demand.
> >
> > That's right, and your game and grass fed can't feed that demand.
> ============================
> ROTFLMAO And your so-called mythical veganic gardening can? You
really
> are too stupid for words, killer. We aren't talking about the masses,
we're
> talking about what *you* as an individual *could* do to improve your
bloody
> footprints. But, you're too lazy and stupid to do anything real, so
you
> have to focus only on what you think others are doing. Nice strawman,
> hypocrite, but one that's been knocked down many, many times...

You're babbling Ricky. What are you talking about? You know
full well that a vegan diet, even a supermarket one, reduces
the 'bloody footprint' at least a hundredfold. And we are talking
about the masses.

> > If you feel so strongly against the import and export
> > of foods, you must eat very bland meals. I think
> > that the import and export increases the variety
> > of foods availlable and is thus potentially more
> > healthful.
> ===========================
> Then you admit that a vegan diet is unhealthy without massive
importation?
> Thanks for proving that you diet is filled with death and suffering
and
> hypocrisy, killer.

It's quite healthy without importation, but I believe that the
variety importation brings can make one a bit healthier
yet.




--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>Buying a farm is not an option for me,
>>
>>I know, you slacker.
>
> How does that make me a slacker?

It's the other way around. Your being a slacker has prevented you from
owning land.

> Just because
> I'm going to have to wait until retirement doesn't
> make me a slacker, just lucky or unlucky depending
> on how you look at it. Lucky for getting there
> someday, unlucky for it taking years.

Luck has NOTHING to do with it.

> Slacking has nothing to do with it.

It has everything to do with it.

>>>You say "widely available
>>>products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
>>>non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
>>
>>Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out some of
>>those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
>
> How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
> elsewhere?

Less transportation and storage, less pesticide.

>>>Brand names please so we can all do the best we can.
>>
>>Clueless ****ing urbanite. That's your problem -- you prate about
>>"veganic" produce and then want brand names. Your affinity for
>>branding is what causes you to kill more animals with your consumption. Look
>>for local foods, refuse to buy anything grown more than 200 miles away
>>from your front door.
>
> And how does one tell them apart from others?

The label might say where the company is located, or where its canning
facilities are located. Yves, as I've already told you, is in Vancouver.
You're in Toronto. How many miles apart?

Another thing you can do is ask your local food co-ops about which of
their vendors are local.

> The stores don't put the name of the farmers and
> locations for most foods.

What a dope.

>>>By the way, it's just ridiculous to suggest to a
>>>vegatarian or vegan that they eat meat.
>>
>>I didn't recommend you do that, Skunky. I suggested you recommend
>>those who eat meat to eat those kinds.
>
> I'll never recommend wild game.

Not even to be pragmatic and help reduce animal deaths?

> Extinction is permanent.

Extinction is unlikely given the reproduction rates of species like deer.

>>>The intentional death is both more in-your-face
>>
>>In your face as opposed to burying your head about CDs?
>
> First of all, I don't believe there's as many deaths from
> slow moving farm machinery as you trolls would have
> me think. Secondly, any such deaths are accidental
> and not as abhorrent as an intentional death.

So you'd prefer animals be sliced and diced accidentally as opposed to
being humanely killed on purpose?

> Did you know that a high number of serial killers start out by
> killing animals intentionally?

Especially the homosexual ones like Dahmer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer
http://www.academiclibrary.com/view/...ery_Dahmer.htm

> I'm not saying you're a serial killer,

You're more likely to be one. Homosexuality is a far more common trait
among serial killers, even among the ones who start by killing small
animals.

> but it says something of the mindset.

No, it doesn't.

>>>and the health risks are unacceptable
>>
>>There are no adverse health risks. If anything, it's better for you
>>because you're not consuming a marginal diet that has only qualified
>>support from the major dietetic organizations.
>
> The vegan diet is not marginal.

Yes, it is.

> There is quite a lot
> of variety in the foods.

Not enough, which is why dietetic organizations only offer qualified
support for such diets.

> Go check out my recipe
> directory if you don't believe it.

I already have. It demonstrates that veganism isn't inherently
health-oriented.

>>>>>I'm doing the best I can for both my health
>>>>
>>>>Bullshit. First, you willfully inhale toxins to get a buzz off
>>>>marijuana -- not good for your health, especially for your lungs.
>>>>Smokers have a far greater incidence of cancer of the lungs, larynx, pharynx,
>>>>esophagus, mouth, colon and breast than non-smokers. Marijuana
>>>>contains more tar than cigarettes. Marijuana is also inhaled very
>>>>deeply and the smoke is held in the lungs for a long time. Marijuana is smoked
>>>>all the way to the end where tar content is the highest. Many of the
>>>>cancer-causing substances in tobacco are also found in marijuana. It
>>>>also affects your central nervous system in an adverse manner. There
>>>>are few if any positive effects of marijuana use.
>>>
>>>Ew, there's that evil, evil weed again. Reefer Madness
>>>anyone?
>>
>>Your childish sarcasm does nothing to address the fact that you
>>willfully and frequently consume something which is bad for you on
>>many levels despite your claims to be interested in good health. You're a
>>charlatan.
>
> No charlatan.

You're a charlatan.

> I truly believe that it is good for me on a number of
> levels.

Because you're gullible and take the word of activists as gospel.

> I don't believe your 'facts' about its dangers. Most of what
> you claim, I've seen later disproven.

Not disproven -- you've only seen activists try to explain it away. Too
bad their agendas always get in the way of the facts.

>>>Get it right. I mentioned that hempseed oil contains omegas 3, 6 and
>>>9.
>
>>You said it was a good thing. You had no ****ing clue what you were
>>saying, you just wanted to repeat something you read on a pro-pot
>>website because you thought it was valid.
>
> It is a good thing.

Only in a healthful ratio with omega-3.

> The body needs all 3 and this oil
> provides it.

No, it doesn't. Your diet is already sufficient in omega-6 FAs from all
the vegetable oils you consume. You don't need MORE of it. You need MORE
omega-3 FAs.

> It's you trolls who started worrying that
> it might cause an overdose of omega 6,

Not overdose on it, just have it in an unhealthy ratio with omega-3,
which you DON'T get enough of.

> without
> even knowing how much is in there and how much
> the person is getting elsewhere in their diet.

I've read through your own recipes. You're not deficient in omega-6 with
all the margarine (not a good idea if you're concerned about good
health!) and other vegetable oils.

>>>You trolls jumped on and exaggerated my including of 6 in there.
>>
>>No, I demonstrated that you're a mindless **** who mindlessly repeats
>>bullshit found on activist websites as though she the disinformation
>>she's peddling is the fruit of her "research."
>
> That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
> however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.

Hahahaha! You're lying. You've yet to cite any science news here, just
points activists repeat ad nauseum.

>>>If every meateater switched to your 'better' meats, and did not
>>>reduce their consumption, then the above game would go extinct
>>
>>Bullshit. I've asked you to prove this claim, and I've also shared
>>with you population numbers between people and deer in Texas alone. Deer
>>are NOT an endangered species. Eating more of them would benefit deer in
>>the aggregate because of their overpopulation in most regions of the US
>>(and probably Canada, too).
>
> By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
> overpopulation,

Not reverse it, get it under control.

> you admit that hunting them keeps
> lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
> overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
> for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
> keep going down until they are extinct.

Bullshit. If that were the case, they'd already be extinct. So would
other wildlife populations like ducks which have rebounded because of
sound wildlife management principles.

>>>and the 'grassfed' herds would barely supply anyone else.
>>
>>Nonsense.
>
> If it could supply everyone, then the grasslands would have
> to support dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds
> of times the number of cows.

Not that many times more.

>>>Face
>>>it, the commercial meat industry supplies most meat eaters,
>>
>>Consumers drive demand, commercial supply doesn't drive demand.
>
> That's right, and your game and grass fed can't feed that demand.

Yes, they can.

>>>and as far as the cds you're fond of mentioning, the amount is many,
>>>many timesfold.
>>
>>That's not an issue except for the fact that you keep wanting to
>>compare apples to oranges.
>
> Cds are the issue. It's the thing that you trolls keep bringing up.

No, you want to compare apples to oranges. You ignore widely-available
alternatives like grass-fed beef, bison, wild game, etc., and then prate
about the virtues of "veganic" farming -- which is the product of some
severely malnourished daydreaming.

>>>What's your point? That vegans should balance their meals?
>>
>>Definitely. It takes more planning on a vegetarian diet.
>
> Only at first when one is unfamiliar with some of the foods.

Not at all.

> After that it's as easy as one's previous meat diet.

How much iron are you getting now? Zinc? B12?

>>>>Ipse dixit, and what a pathetic little shit you are for bitching
>>>>about one kind of local production and then participating in it on a more
>>>>global scale.
>>>
>>>Ooo, a little mad are you?
>>
>>Not mad at all. Just pointing out your rank hypocrisy.
>
> If you feel so strongly against the import and export
> of foods, you must eat very bland meals.

Do you consider jalapeños bland? Serranos? Poblanos?

> I think
> that the import and export increases the variety
> of foods availlable and is thus potentially more
> healthful.

You know nothing of health or nutrition, and your consumption of
imported foods shows your concern about animals is nothing but bullshit.

>>>Stop telling vegans what they should be doing.
>>
>>As long as you make categorical claims about things being right or
>>wrong, or nutritious or not, I will be here to correct you. Don't be
>>such a ****ing ingrate that I'm willing to volunteer such assistance.
>
> You're here to troll.

Nope.

> Not to offer assistance.

Yes, I am.

> Assistance isn't 'offered' with insults and swearing at people.

It is here.

>>>You're no expert.
>>
>>I know a lot more than you about nutritional science, health, and
>>wellness than you ever will. I also know a lot more than you about
>>veganism and why it's a worse solution than the problems it seeks to
>>correct.
>
> Surely you must know that you're joking.

I'm very serious. You're a twit when it comes to nutrition.

> I know what my years of research is,

Years? Zero.

> and where it's led me.

I know where it's led you: to the point of not being able to distinguish
between good and bad fats, whether of animal or plant origin; to the
point of making badly-formed generalizations that ALL meat is bad and
ALL food from plants is good; and to the point of not knowing the
difference between omega fatty acids and the importance of keeping them
in a proper balance.

> You know less than nothing about my research.

I know plenty -- see above. You don't make informed statements when it
comes to nutrition, because you're woefully uninformed.

> Why would
> you think that I would go to an insulting, lying troll and
> ask for advise? And take that advise over my years
> of research?

*Advice*. Advise is a verb. You don't have yeas of "research." If
anything, you've fallen for every pseudoscientific strand of activism
you happened across and considered yourself enlightened. When you put
your silly "findings" before an impartial and objective group, such as
you've done here, your world just comes crashing down.

> I don't think so.

Keep burying your head in the sand, Skunky. Too bad you didn't start by
burying your cankles.

>>>You're not even vegan,
>>
>>Hurray! You finally admit it.
>
> Then why are you still here in alt.food.vegan?

I'm here to help you get out while you can.

> Do you now admit to trolling?

I'm not a troll under any objective definition.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
>>
>> I know, you slacker.
>
> How does that make me a slacker?
==================
It does prove the hypocrisy of the vegan position quite well though. Your
convenience comes first. Maybe you just like killing animals, eh?


Just because
> I'm going to have to wait until retirement doesn't
> make me a slacker, just lucky or unlucky depending
> on how you look at it. Lucky for getting there
> someday, unlucky for it taking years. Slacking
> has nothing to do with it.
==================
No, lazy hypocrisy says it all, killer.


>
>> > You say "widely available
>> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
>> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
>>
>> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out some of
>> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
>
> How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
> elsewhere?
==================
Are you really that stupid, or do you work really really hard at it? Does
those imported fruits and veggies just drop out of the sky and land on your
plate like manna from heaven? You are so totally ignorant of the impact
your life has on animals and the environemnt the world over that it makes my
head spin. How can anybody be so willfully stupid?


>
>> > Brand names please so we can all do the best we can.
>>
>> Clueless ****ing urbanite. That's your problem -- you prate about
>> "veganic" produce and then want brand names. Your affinity for
> branding
>> is what causes you to kill more animals with your consumption. Look
> for
>> local foods, refuse to buy anything grown more than 200 miles away
> from
>> your front door.
>
> And how does one tell them apart from others?
> The stores don't put the name of the farmers and
> locations for most foods.
======================
Cluesless urbanite, as was said above. Have you even trid a farmers
market? I know for a fact that there are some in Toronto, killer. But no,
you haven't. You're too self-absorbed and selfish to actually go out of
your way to evn make a tiny effort to live up to your ignorant claims of
'caring.'


>
>> > By the way, it's just ridiculous to suggest to a
>> > vegatarian or vegan that they eat meat.
>>
>> I didn't recommend you do that, Skunky. I suggested you recommend
> those
>> who eat meat to eat those kinds.
>
> I'll never recommend wild game. Extinction is permanent.
====================
LOL What a hoot!!! You're killing far more animals with your supermart
veggies, hypocrite.


>
>> > The intentional death is both more in-your-face
>>
>> In your face as opposed to burying your head about CDs?
>
> First of all, I don't believe there's as many deaths from
> slow moving farm machinery as you trolls would have
> me think.
========================
Why not? HJave you seen some of them in action? The size? Of course not.
Besides fool, even those that do escape the machine are left without any
food and cover, so they die anyway, killer. They die because of your
veggies! Their numbers are at unnatural levels for an area because your
crops have provided an unnatural amount of easy food and cover. Many
animals can breed several times a season, and they offsping can breed
several times too. Right when the numbers are at a peak, you take away
all the easy food and cover, leaving them to die of starvation and
predation. They also cannot just all scurry off into the surrounding areas
because those areas will already be at their natural capacity.


Secondly, any such deaths are accidental
> and not as abhorrent as an intentional death.
=============================
Really? Why? They are just a s dead. And, they died in far more brutal,
inhumane ways than slaughterhouse animals do. Quite a selective compassion
you have there, hypocrite.

Did you
> know that a high number of serial killers start out by
> killing animals intentionally? I'm not saying you're a
> serial killer, but it says something of the mindset.
========================
LOL What a hoot! Clueless urbanite...


>
>> > and the health risks are unacceptable
>>
>> There are no adverse health risks. If anything, it's better for you
>> because you're not consuming a marginal diet that has only qualified
>> support from the major dietetic organizations.
>
> The vegan diet is not marginal. There is quite a lot
> of variety in the foods. Go check out my recipe
> directory if you don't believe it.
====================
Sure, as long as you spice it up with imported foods from around the world,
killer. Those are far from being 'vegan' in terms of the death and
suffering surrounding their transport, hypocrite. Besides, it does not
naturally provide all the vitamins you need.


snips...


>> Your childish sarcasm does nothing to address the fact that you
>> willfully and frequently consume something which is bad for you on
> many
>> levels despite your claims to be interested in good health. You're a
>> charlatan.
>
> No charlatan. I truly believe that it is good for me on a number of
> levels. I don't believe your 'facts' about its dangers. Most of what
> you claim, I've seen later disproven.
=======================
No, you haven't, or you would have posted it all over usenet, killer.



>
>> > Get it right. I mentioned that hempseed oil contains omegas 3, 6 and
> 9.
>>
>> You said it was a good thing. You had no ****ing clue what you were
>> saying, you just wanted to repeat something you read on a pro-pot
>> website because you thought it was valid.
>
> It is a good thing. The body needs all 3 and this oil
> provides it. It's you trolls who started worrying that
> it might cause an overdose of omega 6, without
> even knowing how much is in there and how much
> the person is getting elsewhere in their diet.
>
>> > You trolls jumped on and exaggerated my including of 6 in there.
>>
>> No, I demonstrated that you're a mindless **** who mindlessly repeats
>> bullshit found on activist websites as though she the disinformation
>> she's peddling is the fruit of her "research."
>
> That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
> however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.
=======================
LOL Then why are they on your site with links? Anything that proclaims
that something is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then m,akes no
mention of the fact hat there are differing opinions is an
activist/propagand site looking to scam the rubes.


>
>> > If every meateater switched to your 'better' meats, and did not
>> > reduce their consumption, then the above game would go extinct
>>
>> Bullshit. I've asked you to prove this claim, and I've also shared
> with
>> you population numbers between people and deer in Texas alone. Deer
> are
>> NOT an endangered species. Eating more of them would benefit deer in
> the
>> aggregate because of their overpopulation in most regions of the US
> (and
>> probably Canada, too).
>
> By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
> overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
> lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
> overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
> for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
> keep going down until they are extinct.
==================
Clueless urbanite. You have no clue as to animals, do you killer?


>
>> > and the 'grassfed' herds would barely supply anyone else.
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
> If it could supply everyone, then the grasslands would have
> to support dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds
> of times the number of cows.
=======================
Hey, clueless urbanite, *ALL* beef cattle are already grass-fed for almost
their whole lives. The pasture is already there, dolt. they only spend a
feww wekks of their lives in feedlots. You really are a clueless urbanite.


>
>> > Face
>> > it, the commercial meat industry supplies most meat eaters,
>>
>> Consumers drive demand, commercial supply doesn't drive demand.
>
> That's right, and your game and grass fed can't feed that demand.
============================
ROTFLMAO And your so-called mythical veganic gardening can? You really
are too stupid for words, killer. We aren't talking about the masses, we're
talking about what *you* as an individual *could* do to improve your bloody
footprints. But, you're too lazy and stupid to do anything real, so you
have to focus only on what you think others are doing. Nice strawman,
hypocrite, but one that's been knocked down many, many times...


>
>> > and as far as the cds you're fond of mentioning, the amount is many,
>> > many timesfold.
>>
>> That's not an issue except for the fact that you keep wanting to
> compare
>> apples to oranges.
>
> Cds are the issue. It's the thing that you trolls keep bringing up.
==================
And one that you like to ignore because otherwise your house of cards falls
down...


>
>> > What's your point? That vegans should balance their meals?
>>
>> Definitely. It takes more planning on a vegetarian diet.
>
> Only at first when one is unfamiliar with some of the foods.
> After that it's as easy as one's previous meat diet.
>
>> >>Ipse dixit, and what a pathetic little shit you are for bitching
> about
>> >>one kind of local production and then participating in it on a more
>> >>global scale.
>> >
>> > Ooo, a little mad are you?
>>
>> Not mad at all. Just pointing out your rank hypocrisy.
>
> If you feel so strongly against the import and export
> of foods, you must eat very bland meals. I think
> that the import and export increases the variety
> of foods availlable and is thus potentially more
> healthful.
===========================
Then you admit that a vegan diet is unhealthy without massive importation?
Thanks for proving that you diet is filled with death and suffering and
hypocrisy, killer.


>
>> > Stop telling vegans what they should be doing.
>>
>> As long as you make categorical claims about things being right or
>> wrong, or nutritious or not, I will be here to correct you. Don't be
>> such a ****ing ingrate that I'm willing to volunteer such assistance.
>
> You're here to troll. Not to offer assistance. Assistance
> isn't 'offered' with insults and swearing at people.
=======================
LOL Especially when the idiot getting the advice is willfully and
terminally ignorant, right hypocrite?


>
>> > You're no expert.
>>
>> I know a lot more than you about nutritional science, health, and
>> wellness than you ever will. I also know a lot more than you about
>> veganism and why it's a worse solution than the problems it seeks to
>> correct.
>
> Surely you must know that you're joking. I know what
> my years of research is, and where it's led me.
=================
LOL You're done no research, killer. You know it, and we know it. You far
to stupid in everything discussed here to have researched anything.


You
> know less than nothing about my research. Why would
> you think that I would go to an insulting, lying troll and
> ask for advise? And take that advise over my years
> of research? I don't think so.
=================
Of course not, your religion demands otherwise.


>
>> > You're not even vegan,
>>
>> Hurray! You finally admit it.
>
> Then why are you still here in alt.food.vegan? Do
> you now admit to trolling?
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
> Irony, ignorance and hypocrisy on display...
>