> > There's still the fact that vegan foods as a whole
> > cause less cds than animal products as a whole.
> > That's something you can't dispute. Organic or
> > not.
>
> I'm disputing it. It's your assertion; prove it.

Do you dispute that the animal product industry
as a whole uses more crops and thus has more
cds than plant foods grown for human consumption
as a whole? Animals need way more crops to
produce a pound of meat than for a pound of
vegan food. Pigs, poultry, you name it, it takes
more crops to feed them.

Anyways, if you're so concerned about cds,
then do something about it. I've done my
bit, like it or leave it.


--
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http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Scented Nectar wrote:
> > > There's still the fact that vegan foods as a whole
> > > cause less cds than animal products as a whole.
> > > That's something you can't dispute. Organic or
> > > not.
> >
> > I'm disputing it. It's your assertion; prove it.
>
> Do you dispute that the animal product industry
> as a whole uses more crops and thus has more
> cds than plant foods grown for human consumption
> as a whole?

Maybe. Maybe not. Grass-fed beef doesn't. Besides, who said anything
about animal industry?

> Animals need way more crops to
> produce a pound of meat than for a pound of
> vegan food. Pigs, poultry, you name it, it takes
> more crops to feed them.

Grass-fed beef doesn't. Hunted venison doesn't.

>
> Anyways, if you're so concerned about cds,
> then do something about it. I've done my
> bit, like it or leave it.

I'm not. I don't think there's anything ethically wrong with animals
dying so I can eat; that's just the way nature works. My point is, you
haven't "done your bit." You haven't really done anything.

It's as plain as the nose on your face that some meats come at a lower
cd cost than some veggies. You don't care. It's not about cd's, it's
not about animals. It's about something you can do that makes you
THINK you're doing something, when the effort doesn't really amount to
anything. Especially not any real critical thinking on your part.

"Abner Hale" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Scented Nectar wrote:
>> > > There's still the fact that vegan foods as a whole
>> > > cause less cds than animal products as a whole.
>> > > That's something you can't dispute. Organic or
>> > > not.
>> >
>> > I'm disputing it. It's your assertion; prove it.
>>
>> Do you dispute that the animal product industry
>> as a whole uses more crops and thus has more
>> cds than plant foods grown for human consumption
>> as a whole?
>
> Maybe. Maybe not. Grass-fed beef doesn't. Besides, who said anything
> about animal industry?
>
>> Animals need way more crops to
>> produce a pound of meat than for a pound of
>> vegan food. Pigs, poultry, you name it, it takes
>> more crops to feed them.
>
> Grass-fed beef doesn't. Hunted venison doesn't.
>
>>
>> Anyways, if you're so concerned about cds,
>> then do something about it. I've done my
>> bit, like it or leave it.
>
> I'm not. I don't think there's anything ethically wrong with animals
> dying so I can eat; that's just the way nature works. My point is, you
> haven't "done your bit." You haven't really done anything.
>
> It's as plain as the nose on your face that some meats come at a lower
> cd cost than some veggies.
=====================
She has already proven she doesn't care. She even knows that different
veggies come with different amounts of CDs. She cares nothing about
changing her diet to reflect that knowledge. Her religion demands only that
she follows a simple rule for her simple mind, and that's all she hangs
onto.


You don't care. It's not about cd's, it's
> not about animals. It's about something you can do that makes you
> THINK you're doing something, when the effort doesn't really amount to
> anything. Especially not any real critical thinking on your part.
==================
Too drugged out apparently to do any critical thinking. Maybe *any* thinking
at all.
>

> > Do you dispute that the animal product industry
> > as a whole uses more crops and thus has more
> > cds than plant foods grown for human consumption
> > as a whole?
>
> Maybe. Maybe not. Grass-fed beef doesn't. Besides, who said
anything
> about animal industry?

As a whole. That's what I'm talking about. There's not
enough of your grass fed beef to supply the full demand
for beef. That's where the rest of the industry comes in,
factory farming beef, pork, poultry, eggs, dairy... There
is a high demand for these products.

> > Animals need way more crops to
> > produce a pound of meat than for a pound of
> > vegan food. Pigs, poultry, you name it, it takes
> > more crops to feed them.
>
> Grass-fed beef doesn't. Hunted venison doesn't.

If all meat eaters turned to hunted meat and grass
fed beef, the hunted would become extinct. The
demand for meat is too high. Also, there would
be people still demanding pork and poultry.

> > Anyways, if you're so concerned about cds,
> > then do something about it. I've done my
> > bit, like it or leave it.
>
> I'm not. I don't think there's anything ethically wrong with animals
> dying so I can eat; that's just the way nature works. My point is,
you
> haven't "done your bit." You haven't really done anything.
>
> It's as plain as the nose on your face that some meats come at a lower
> cd cost than some veggies. You don't care. It's not about cd's, it's
> not about animals. It's about something you can do that makes you
> THINK you're doing something, when the effort doesn't really amount to
> anything. Especially not any real critical thinking on your part.

Even if some uncommon meats are somewhat lower in cds
I still don't like the idea of eating dead body parts. I think I
can speak for most vegan/vegetarians on that matter. Eating
dead bodies is just not an option. The idea is quite repulsive.
There are always vegan alternatives, some with 0 deaths,
whereas meat will always have a minimum of 1.


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http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Scented Nectar wrote:
> > > Do you dispute that the animal product industry
> > > as a whole uses more crops and thus has more
> > > cds than plant foods grown for human consumption
> > > as a whole?
> >
> > Maybe. Maybe not. Grass-fed beef doesn't. Besides, who said
> anything
> > about animal industry?
>
> As a whole. That's what I'm talking about. There's not
> enough of your grass fed beef to supply the full demand
> for beef. That's where the rest of the industry comes in,
> factory farming beef, pork, poultry, eggs, dairy... There
> is a high demand for these products.

So what? There's enough grass fed beef to supply YOU. What's YOUR
excuse?

>
> > > Animals need way more crops to
> > > produce a pound of meat than for a pound of
> > > vegan food. Pigs, poultry, you name it, it takes
> > > more crops to feed them.
> >
> > Grass-fed beef doesn't. Hunted venison doesn't.
>
> If all meat eaters turned to hunted meat and grass
> fed beef, the hunted would become extinct. The
> demand for meat is too high. Also, there would
> be people still demanding pork and poultry.

There's enough for YOU. What's YOUR excuse?

>
> > > Anyways, if you're so concerned about cds,
> > > then do something about it. I've done my
> > > bit, like it or leave it.
> >
> > I'm not. I don't think there's anything ethically wrong with
animals
> > dying so I can eat; that's just the way nature works. My point is,
> you
> > haven't "done your bit." You haven't really done anything.
> >
> > It's as plain as the nose on your face that some meats come at a
lower
> > cd cost than some veggies. You don't care. It's not about cd's,
it's
> > not about animals. It's about something you can do that makes you
> > THINK you're doing something, when the effort doesn't really amount
to
> > anything. Especially not any real critical thinking on your part.
>
> Even if some uncommon meats are somewhat lower in cds
> I still don't like the idea of eating dead body parts. I think I
> can speak for most vegan/vegetarians on that matter. Eating
> dead bodies is just not an option. The idea is quite repulsive.
> There are always vegan alternatives, some with 0 deaths,
> whereas meat will always have a minimum of 1.

So, it's not about ethics, it's about aesthetics. You think it's
"icky."

And NONE of your "vegan alternatives" have 0 deaths. NONE.
You ARE a hypocrite, a moral shirker of the worst sort.

> > As a whole. That's what I'm talking about. There's not
> > enough of your grass fed beef to supply the full demand
> > for beef. That's where the rest of the industry comes in,
> > factory farming beef, pork, poultry, eggs, dairy... There
> > is a high demand for these products.
>
> So what? There's enough grass fed beef to supply YOU. What's YOUR
> excuse?

I guess you don't get it. Two of the groups you're
crossposting to here specifically don't eat dead
bodies, regardless of what you might think of that.

It's kind of silly to suggest that a vegetarian eat
meat. Especially when their primary reason
is health. If I thought that humans were meant to
eat meat, I would chalking it up to nature as much
as any other carnivore. But I believe that we are
meant to be vegetarian. You're free to believe
differently, just don't push your beliefs on me.

> > If all meat eaters turned to hunted meat and grass
> > fed beef, the hunted would become extinct. The
> > demand for meat is too high. Also, there would
> > be people still demanding pork and poultry.
>
> There's enough for YOU. What's YOUR excuse?

See above.

> > Even if some uncommon meats are somewhat lower in cds
> > I still don't like the idea of eating dead body parts. I think I
> > can speak for most vegan/vegetarians on that matter. Eating
> > dead bodies is just not an option. The idea is quite repulsive.
> > There are always vegan alternatives, some with 0 deaths,
> > whereas meat will always have a minimum of 1.
>
> So, it's not about ethics, it's about aesthetics. You think it's
> "icky."

It's both. And more.

> And NONE of your "vegan alternatives" have 0 deaths. NONE.
> You ARE a hypocrite, a moral shirker of the worst sort.

When I've eaten stuff grown in friend's gardens, there are 0
deaths. Also, when I eat things grown on small scale or
hobby farms, there's 0 deaths. They taste better than
commercial too. One time we found a giant puffball
mushroom in my mother's backyard about a little smaller
than a soccer ball. We ate mushroom 'steaks' for lunch.
Absolutely delicious, nutritious and 0 deaths.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Scented Nectar wrote:
> > > As a whole. That's what I'm talking about. There's not
> > > enough of your grass fed beef to supply the full demand
> > > for beef. That's where the rest of the industry comes in,
> > > factory farming beef, pork, poultry, eggs, dairy... There
> > > is a high demand for these products.
> >
> > So what? There's enough grass fed beef to supply YOU. What's YOUR
> > excuse?
>
> I guess you don't get it. Two of the groups you're
> crossposting to here specifically don't eat dead
> bodies, regardless of what you might think of that.

I don't care one way or another what you eat. But I enjoy pointing out
that your stated reasons for doing so are intellectualy slovenly and
phony.

>
> It's kind of silly to suggest that a vegetarian eat
> meat.

Have I?

> Especially when their primary reason
> is health.

We've seen that your primary reason is "it's icky." Not health.

> If I thought that humans were meant to
> eat meat, I would chalking it up to nature as much
> as any other carnivore.

Find yourself a biology text and look up "omnivore."

> But I believe that we are
> meant to be vegetarian. You're free to believe
> differently, just don't push your beliefs on me.

So what? You have NO expertise in that area.

>
> > > If all meat eaters turned to hunted meat and grass
> > > fed beef, the hunted would become extinct. The
> > > demand for meat is too high. Also, there would
> > > be people still demanding pork and poultry.
> >
> > There's enough for YOU. What's YOUR excuse?
>
> See above.

You think it's "icky." Why not just say so? Why all the other
bullshit?

>
> > > Even if some uncommon meats are somewhat lower in cds
> > > I still don't like the idea of eating dead body parts. I think I
> > > can speak for most vegan/vegetarians on that matter. Eating
> > > dead bodies is just not an option. The idea is quite repulsive.
> > > There are always vegan alternatives, some with 0 deaths,
> > > whereas meat will always have a minimum of 1.
> >
> > So, it's not about ethics, it's about aesthetics. You think it's
> > "icky."
>
> It's both. And more.

No, it's not. It's just aesthetics.

>
> > And NONE of your "vegan alternatives" have 0 deaths. NONE.
> > You ARE a hypocrite, a moral shirker of the worst sort.
>
> When I've eaten stuff grown in friend's gardens, there are 0
> deaths.

What's that, one percent of your diet?

> Also, when I eat things grown on small scale or
> hobby farms, there's 0 deaths.

No, there probably isn't.

> They taste better than
> commercial too. One time we found a giant puffball
> mushroom in my mother's backyard about a little smaller
> than a soccer ball. We ate mushroom 'steaks' for lunch.
> Absolutely delicious, nutritious and 0 deaths.

And the rest of the tiem you happily stuff supermarket veggies in your
huge, gaping pie-hole.
Fact is, you COULD do more, but you don't. You're a phony.

> > I guess you don't get it. Two of the groups you're
> > crossposting to here specifically don't eat dead
> > bodies, regardless of what you might think of that.
>
> I don't care one way or another what you eat. But I enjoy pointing
out
> that your stated reasons for doing so are intellectualy slovenly and
> phony.

The reasons are all quite valid. Health, animal welfare,
aesthetics, religion, allergies, trend following, etc.
These are some of the many reasons people
become vegetarian. You are no one when it comes
to pointing out that my reasons are [insult, insult, etc].
You have no credibility with me because of the
insulting manner you present yourself in here.

> > It's kind of silly to suggest that a vegetarian eat
> > meat.
>
> Have I?

Yes. You quite highly recommended it for me, if I'm
remembering correctly.

> > Especially when their primary reason
> > is health.
>
> We've seen that your primary reason is "it's icky." Not health.

It's health and animals and aesthetics all rolled into one
and all fixed by my dietary choice.

> > But I believe that we are
> > meant to be vegetarian. You're free to believe
> > differently, just don't push your beliefs on me.
>
> So what? You have NO expertise in that area.

And I'm supposed to throw away my years of what
I've learned and take the word of an insulting troll???
LOL

> > > > If all meat eaters turned to hunted meat and grass
> > > > fed beef, the hunted would become extinct. The
> > > > demand for meat is too high. Also, there would
> > > > be people still demanding pork and poultry.
> > >
> > > There's enough for YOU. What's YOUR excuse?

See you're recommending it to me again. Pushing it
like a bad drug on me.

> > > And NONE of your "vegan alternatives" have 0 deaths. NONE.
> > > You ARE a hypocrite, a moral shirker of the worst sort.
> >
> > When I've eaten stuff grown in friend's gardens, there are 0
> > deaths.
>
> What's that, one percent of your diet?

Depends on the time of year, and who's growing
what.

> Fact is, you COULD do more, but you don't. You're a phony.

Fact is, it's only the trolls like you who can't accept that people
are not going to live up to your ideals for us of perfection.

It's you trolls who say that being vegan means we have to
become superheroes and save the world of cds in our lives.
You say it's OUR expectation of ourselves but that's a lie.
It's YOUR expectation for the sole purpose of being able
to whine "you're not doing all you can".


--
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http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Scented Nectar wrote:
<...>
> It's kind of silly to suggest that a vegetarian eat
> meat. Especially when their primary reason
> is health. If I thought that humans were meant to
> eat meat, I would chalking it up to nature as much
> as any other carnivore. But I believe that we are
> meant to be vegetarian.

On what basis?

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
news
>> > There's still the fact that vegan foods as a whole
>> > cause less cds than animal products as a whole.
>> > That's something you can't dispute. Organic or
>> > not.
>>
>> I'm disputing it. It's your assertion; prove it.
>
> Do you dispute that the animal product industry
> as a whole uses more crops and thus has more
> cds than plant foods grown for human consumption
> as a whole? Animals need way more crops to
> produce a pound of meat than for a pound of
> vegan food. Pigs, poultry, you name it, it takes
> more crops to feed them.
================
Then prove it. And then prove that it automatically means that you can
claim that for all meats vs veggies.

>
> Anyways, if you're so concerned about cds,
> then do something about it. I've done my
> bit, like it or leave it.
> =================
No, all you've done is managed to kill even more than necessary. Why is it
you like doing that, killer? You've been shown that even without eating
meat that you could do far better, yet you remain willfully ignorant and
determined to cause as much unnecessary death and suffering as possible.
Why is that? Just like tracking around bloody footprints?

>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>

> > Anyways, if you're so concerned about cds,
> > then do something about it. I've done my
> > bit, like it or leave it.
> > =================
> No, all you've done is managed to kill even more than necessary. Why
is it
> you like doing that, killer? You've been shown that even without
eating
> meat that you could do far better, yet you remain willfully ignorant
and
> determined to cause as much unnecessary death and suffering as
possible.
> Why is that? Just like tracking around bloody footprints?


I've been shown zip from you. Just insults,
propaganda more appropriate for a meat
industry lobbyist, and more insults. Do you
actually think I'm going to believe much of
what you write?

--
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http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>Anyways, if you're so concerned about cds,
>>>then do something about it. I've done my
>>>bit, like it or leave it.
>>>=================
>>
>>No, all you've done is managed to kill even more than necessary. Why
>
> is it
>
>>you like doing that, killer? You've been shown that even without
>
> eating
>
>>meat that you could do far better, yet you remain willfully ignorant
>
> and
>
>>determined to cause as much unnecessary death and suffering as
>
> possible.
>
>>Why is that? Just like tracking around bloody footprints?
>
>
>
> I've been shown zip from you.

He's shown you some very credible information. You've not brought
anything substantive to the table, just your parroting of vegan and
organic activist claims (which have been disproven everytime you've
raised them).

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>> > Anyways, if you're so concerned about cds,
>> > then do something about it. I've done my
>> > bit, like it or leave it.
>> > =================
>> No, all you've done is managed to kill even more than necessary. Why
> is it
>> you like doing that, killer? You've been shown that even without
> eating
>> meat that you could do far better, yet you remain willfully ignorant
> and
>> determined to cause as much unnecessary death and suffering as
> possible.
>> Why is that? Just like tracking around bloody footprints?
>
>
> I've been shown zip from you.
=======================
Only the door, little-girl. Apparently you're too stupid to read the sites
that I have posted, many times now. Somehow, all you manage to do is snip
and ignore them, just like all the so-called vegan religious loons do....

Just insults,
> propaganda more appropriate for a meat
> industry lobbyist, and more insults. Do you
> actually think I'm going to believe much of
> what you write?
==================
LOL You don't have to fool. Unlike *YOU*, I post info to back up my
claims. You have presented nothing, because you have nothing, killer.
Insulting an intelligence that isn't there is hardly a insult, hypocrite.

>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>