Scented Nectar wrote:
> > > Do you dispute that the animal product industry
> > > as a whole uses more crops and thus has more
> > > cds than plant foods grown for human consumption
> > > as a whole?
> >
> > Maybe. Maybe not. Grass-fed beef doesn't. Besides, who said
> anything
> > about animal industry?
>
> As a whole. That's what I'm talking about. There's not
> enough of your grass fed beef to supply the full demand
> for beef. That's where the rest of the industry comes in,
> factory farming beef, pork, poultry, eggs, dairy... There
> is a high demand for these products.

So what? There's enough grass fed beef to supply YOU. What's YOUR
excuse?

>
> > > Animals need way more crops to
> > > produce a pound of meat than for a pound of
> > > vegan food. Pigs, poultry, you name it, it takes
> > > more crops to feed them.
> >
> > Grass-fed beef doesn't. Hunted venison doesn't.
>
> If all meat eaters turned to hunted meat and grass
> fed beef, the hunted would become extinct. The
> demand for meat is too high. Also, there would
> be people still demanding pork and poultry.

There's enough for YOU. What's YOUR excuse?

>
> > > Anyways, if you're so concerned about cds,
> > > then do something about it. I've done my
> > > bit, like it or leave it.
> >
> > I'm not. I don't think there's anything ethically wrong with
animals
> > dying so I can eat; that's just the way nature works. My point is,
> you
> > haven't "done your bit." You haven't really done anything.
> >
> > It's as plain as the nose on your face that some meats come at a
lower
> > cd cost than some veggies. You don't care. It's not about cd's,
it's
> > not about animals. It's about something you can do that makes you
> > THINK you're doing something, when the effort doesn't really amount
to
> > anything. Especially not any real critical thinking on your part.
>
> Even if some uncommon meats are somewhat lower in cds
> I still don't like the idea of eating dead body parts. I think I
> can speak for most vegan/vegetarians on that matter. Eating
> dead bodies is just not an option. The idea is quite repulsive.
> There are always vegan alternatives, some with 0 deaths,
> whereas meat will always have a minimum of 1.

So, it's not about ethics, it's about aesthetics. You think it's
"icky."

And NONE of your "vegan alternatives" have 0 deaths. NONE.
You ARE a hypocrite, a moral shirker of the worst sort.

> > As a whole. That's what I'm talking about. There's not
> > enough of your grass fed beef to supply the full demand
> > for beef. That's where the rest of the industry comes in,
> > factory farming beef, pork, poultry, eggs, dairy... There
> > is a high demand for these products.
>
> So what? There's enough grass fed beef to supply YOU. What's YOUR
> excuse?

I guess you don't get it. Two of the groups you're
crossposting to here specifically don't eat dead
bodies, regardless of what you might think of that.

It's kind of silly to suggest that a vegetarian eat
meat. Especially when their primary reason
is health. If I thought that humans were meant to
eat meat, I would chalking it up to nature as much
as any other carnivore. But I believe that we are
meant to be vegetarian. You're free to believe
differently, just don't push your beliefs on me.

> > If all meat eaters turned to hunted meat and grass
> > fed beef, the hunted would become extinct. The
> > demand for meat is too high. Also, there would
> > be people still demanding pork and poultry.
>
> There's enough for YOU. What's YOUR excuse?

See above.

> > Even if some uncommon meats are somewhat lower in cds
> > I still don't like the idea of eating dead body parts. I think I
> > can speak for most vegan/vegetarians on that matter. Eating
> > dead bodies is just not an option. The idea is quite repulsive.
> > There are always vegan alternatives, some with 0 deaths,
> > whereas meat will always have a minimum of 1.
>
> So, it's not about ethics, it's about aesthetics. You think it's
> "icky."

It's both. And more.

> And NONE of your "vegan alternatives" have 0 deaths. NONE.
> You ARE a hypocrite, a moral shirker of the worst sort.

When I've eaten stuff grown in friend's gardens, there are 0
deaths. Also, when I eat things grown on small scale or
hobby farms, there's 0 deaths. They taste better than
commercial too. One time we found a giant puffball
mushroom in my mother's backyard about a little smaller
than a soccer ball. We ate mushroom 'steaks' for lunch.
Absolutely delicious, nutritious and 0 deaths.


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A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Scented Nectar wrote:
> > > As a whole. That's what I'm talking about. There's not
> > > enough of your grass fed beef to supply the full demand
> > > for beef. That's where the rest of the industry comes in,
> > > factory farming beef, pork, poultry, eggs, dairy... There
> > > is a high demand for these products.
> >
> > So what? There's enough grass fed beef to supply YOU. What's YOUR
> > excuse?
>
> I guess you don't get it. Two of the groups you're
> crossposting to here specifically don't eat dead
> bodies, regardless of what you might think of that.

I don't care one way or another what you eat. But I enjoy pointing out
that your stated reasons for doing so are intellectualy slovenly and
phony.

>
> It's kind of silly to suggest that a vegetarian eat
> meat.

Have I?

> Especially when their primary reason
> is health.

We've seen that your primary reason is "it's icky." Not health.

> If I thought that humans were meant to
> eat meat, I would chalking it up to nature as much
> as any other carnivore.

Find yourself a biology text and look up "omnivore."

> But I believe that we are
> meant to be vegetarian. You're free to believe
> differently, just don't push your beliefs on me.

So what? You have NO expertise in that area.

>
> > > If all meat eaters turned to hunted meat and grass
> > > fed beef, the hunted would become extinct. The
> > > demand for meat is too high. Also, there would
> > > be people still demanding pork and poultry.
> >
> > There's enough for YOU. What's YOUR excuse?
>
> See above.

You think it's "icky." Why not just say so? Why all the other
bullshit?

>
> > > Even if some uncommon meats are somewhat lower in cds
> > > I still don't like the idea of eating dead body parts. I think I
> > > can speak for most vegan/vegetarians on that matter. Eating
> > > dead bodies is just not an option. The idea is quite repulsive.
> > > There are always vegan alternatives, some with 0 deaths,
> > > whereas meat will always have a minimum of 1.
> >
> > So, it's not about ethics, it's about aesthetics. You think it's
> > "icky."
>
> It's both. And more.

No, it's not. It's just aesthetics.

>
> > And NONE of your "vegan alternatives" have 0 deaths. NONE.
> > You ARE a hypocrite, a moral shirker of the worst sort.
>
> When I've eaten stuff grown in friend's gardens, there are 0
> deaths.

What's that, one percent of your diet?

> Also, when I eat things grown on small scale or
> hobby farms, there's 0 deaths.

No, there probably isn't.

> They taste better than
> commercial too. One time we found a giant puffball
> mushroom in my mother's backyard about a little smaller
> than a soccer ball. We ate mushroom 'steaks' for lunch.
> Absolutely delicious, nutritious and 0 deaths.

And the rest of the tiem you happily stuff supermarket veggies in your
huge, gaping pie-hole.
Fact is, you COULD do more, but you don't. You're a phony.

> > I guess you don't get it. Two of the groups you're
> > crossposting to here specifically don't eat dead
> > bodies, regardless of what you might think of that.
>
> I don't care one way or another what you eat. But I enjoy pointing
out
> that your stated reasons for doing so are intellectualy slovenly and
> phony.

The reasons are all quite valid. Health, animal welfare,
aesthetics, religion, allergies, trend following, etc.
These are some of the many reasons people
become vegetarian. You are no one when it comes
to pointing out that my reasons are [insult, insult, etc].
You have no credibility with me because of the
insulting manner you present yourself in here.

> > It's kind of silly to suggest that a vegetarian eat
> > meat.
>
> Have I?

Yes. You quite highly recommended it for me, if I'm
remembering correctly.

> > Especially when their primary reason
> > is health.
>
> We've seen that your primary reason is "it's icky." Not health.

It's health and animals and aesthetics all rolled into one
and all fixed by my dietary choice.

> > But I believe that we are
> > meant to be vegetarian. You're free to believe
> > differently, just don't push your beliefs on me.
>
> So what? You have NO expertise in that area.

And I'm supposed to throw away my years of what
I've learned and take the word of an insulting troll???
LOL

> > > > If all meat eaters turned to hunted meat and grass
> > > > fed beef, the hunted would become extinct. The
> > > > demand for meat is too high. Also, there would
> > > > be people still demanding pork and poultry.
> > >
> > > There's enough for YOU. What's YOUR excuse?

See you're recommending it to me again. Pushing it
like a bad drug on me.

> > > And NONE of your "vegan alternatives" have 0 deaths. NONE.
> > > You ARE a hypocrite, a moral shirker of the worst sort.
> >
> > When I've eaten stuff grown in friend's gardens, there are 0
> > deaths.
>
> What's that, one percent of your diet?

Depends on the time of year, and who's growing
what.

> Fact is, you COULD do more, but you don't. You're a phony.

Fact is, it's only the trolls like you who can't accept that people
are not going to live up to your ideals for us of perfection.

It's you trolls who say that being vegan means we have to
become superheroes and save the world of cds in our lives.
You say it's OUR expectation of ourselves but that's a lie.
It's YOUR expectation for the sole purpose of being able
to whine "you're not doing all you can".


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A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Scented Nectar wrote:
> > > I guess you don't get it. Two of the groups you're
> > > crossposting to here specifically don't eat dead
> > > bodies, regardless of what you might think of that.
> >
> > I don't care one way or another what you eat. But I enjoy pointing
> out
> > that your stated reasons for doing so are intellectualy slovenly
and
> > phony.
>
> The reasons are all quite valid. Health, animal welfare,
> aesthetics, religion, allergies, trend following, etc.

"Trend following?" WTF?

> These are some of the many reasons people
> become vegetarian. You are no one when it comes
> to pointing out that my reasons are [insult, insult, etc].
> You have no credibility with me because of the
> insulting manner you present yourself in here.

I'm right. You know it. I know it.

>
> > > It's kind of silly to suggest that a vegetarian eat
> > > meat.
> >
> > Have I?
>
> Yes. You quite highly recommended it for me, if I'm
> remembering correctly.

No, dummy. I pointed out that some meats come at a lower CD cost than
some veggies, and that you don't care.

>
> > > Especially when their primary reason
> > > is health.
> >
> > We've seen that your primary reason is "it's icky." Not health.
>
> It's health and animals and aesthetics all rolled into one
> and all fixed by my dietary choice.

The health reasons are phony. It's perfectly possible to have a
wonderfully healthy diet that includes meat in various forms. You KNOW
that's true. The "animal" reasons are phony. You COULD do more to
reduce CDs, but you don't, because it would be INCONVENIENT. The ONLY
valid reason you've given boils down to "meat is icky."

All that pot has messed up your thinking.

>
> > > But I believe that we are
> > > meant to be vegetarian. You're free to believe
> > > differently, just don't push your beliefs on me.
> >
> > So what? You have NO expertise in that area.
>
> And I'm supposed to throw away my years of what
> I've learned and take the word of an insulting troll???
> LOL

You have learned nothing. You've read a few lurid, hysterical web
sites written by activists, not scientists. You have NEVER sought to
learn, only to confirm your prejudices.

>
> > > > > If all meat eaters turned to hunted meat and grass
> > > > > fed beef, the hunted would become extinct. The
> > > > > demand for meat is too high. Also, there would
> > > > > be people still demanding pork and poultry.
> > > >
> > > > There's enough for YOU. What's YOUR excuse?
>
> See you're recommending it to me again. Pushing it
> like a bad drug on me.

No, just pointing out that it's not at all 'about the animals.' You're
a fraud.

>
> > > > And NONE of your "vegan alternatives" have 0 deaths. NONE.
> > > > You ARE a hypocrite, a moral shirker of the worst sort.
> > >
> > > When I've eaten stuff grown in friend's gardens, there are 0
> > > deaths.
> >
> > What's that, one percent of your diet?
>
> Depends on the time of year, and who's growing
> what.

One percent, or less. I'd bet money on it.

>
> > Fact is, you COULD do more, but you don't. You're a phony.
>
> Fact is, it's only the trolls like you who can't accept that people
> are not going to live up to your ideals for us of perfection.

Fact is, you don't even ATTEMPT to live up to YOUR OWN STATED ETHIC.
You're a filthy hypocrite.

>
> It's you trolls who say that being vegan means we have to
> become superheroes and save the world of cds in our lives.
> You say it's OUR expectation of ourselves but that's a lie.
> It's YOUR expectation for the sole purpose of being able
> to whine "you're not doing all you can".

No, stupid, we just point out that your expectations are stupid, your
claims fraudulent, and that you are not only a hypocrite but a sloppy,
weak thinker. And you make it so EASY!

> > The reasons are all quite valid. Health, animal welfare,
> > aesthetics, religion, allergies, trend following, etc.
>
> "Trend following?" WTF?

There's a zillion reasons for people going veggie.
I've even seen some do it because they think it's
trendy. I doubt those ones would be long termers
though. The point is, there are many reasons as
well as, and besides the animals, that people go
veggie.

> > These are some of the many reasons people
> > become vegetarian. You are no one when it comes
> > to pointing out that my reasons are [insult, insult, etc].
> > You have no credibility with me because of the
> > insulting manner you present yourself in here.
>
> I'm right. You know it. I know it.

No. I have strong reasons against what I've seen
you post. I don't believe you are right, so you
might want to change the above quote of you.

> > > > It's kind of silly to suggest that a vegetarian eat
> > > > meat.
> > >
> > > Have I?
> >
> > Yes. You quite highly recommended it for me, if I'm
> > remembering correctly.
>
> No, dummy. I pointed out that some meats come at a lower CD cost than
> some veggies, and that you don't care.

Nonsense. Just go back a post or so. You specifically
told me theres enough game and beef for me and
that if I didn't choose that, then I'm not doing all I can.
Can you blame me for thinking you're a bit nuts?

> >
> > > > Especially when their primary reason
> > > > is health.
> > >
> > > We've seen that your primary reason is "it's icky." Not health.
> >
> > It's health and animals and aesthetics all rolled into one
> > and all fixed by my dietary choice.
>
> The health reasons are phony. It's perfectly possible to have a
> wonderfully healthy diet that includes meat in various forms. You
KNOW
> that's true. The "animal" reasons are phony. You COULD do more to
> reduce CDs, but you don't, because it would be INCONVENIENT. The ONLY
> valid reason you've given boils down to "meat is icky."

There you go suggesting meat again! And there
you go saying I'm not doing all I can, when it's me
who decides that, not you troll.

> > Fact is, it's only the trolls like you who can't accept that people
> > are not going to live up to your ideals for us of perfection.
>
> Fact is, you don't even ATTEMPT to live up to YOUR OWN STATED ETHIC.
> You're a filthy hypocrite.

And what is my very own stated ethic, mr. mindreader?

> > It's you trolls who say that being vegan means we have to
> > become superheroes and save the world of cds in our lives.
> > You say it's OUR expectation of ourselves but that's a lie.
> > It's YOUR expectation for the sole purpose of being able
> > to whine "you're not doing all you can".
>
> No, stupid, we just point out that your expectations are stupid, your
> claims fraudulent, and that you are not only a hypocrite but a sloppy,
> weak thinker. And you make it so EASY!

But all you point out are YOUR expectations. I've never seen
a vegan here go on and on like you troll and your expectations
of us.


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A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>The reasons are all quite valid. Health, animal welfare,
>>>aesthetics, religion, allergies, trend following, etc.
>>
>>"Trend following?" WTF?
>
>
> There's a zillion reasons for people going veggie.

There are more ex-vegetarians than current ones. That's always been the
case of faddist diets, whether vegetarian or Atkins or anything else.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote

> Fact is, it's only the trolls like you who can't accept that people
> are not going to live up to your ideals for us of perfection.

You don't need to be perfect, just don't pretend to be doing better than a
self-sufficient farmer who raises his own livestock. Anyone who lives off
the teat of commercial argibusiness is not doing so, vegan or not.

You know, what's best of all, is that you COMPLETELY ABDICATED on my
original point. I challenged you to support your blanket assertion
that cds caused by meat are always less than cds caused by vegetables.
You effectively conceded.

You really are a twit.

"Abner Hale" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> You know, what's best of all, is that you COMPLETELY ABDICATED on my
> original point. I challenged you to support your blanket assertion
> that cds caused by meat are always less than cds caused by vegetables.
> You effectively conceded.
>
> You really are a twit.

And you're a name calling nothing. You've ignored all
proof posted by me and others. You would have found
your answers there (repeatedly).


--
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http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

Scented Nectar wrote:
> "Abner Hale" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > You know, what's best of all, is that you COMPLETELY ABDICATED on
my
> > original point. I challenged you to support your blanket assertion
> > that cds caused by meat are always less than cds caused by
vegetables.
> > You effectively conceded.
> >
> > You really are a twit.
>
> And you're a name calling nothing. You've ignored all
> proof posted by me and others. You would have found
> your answers there (repeatedly).

You've posted no proof. Only assertions. You HAVE no proof; only the
hysterics of activists. And it drives you NUTS, because you KNOW it's
true.

You reveal yourself, daily, to be the archetypical pothead loser. You
have little or no grasp of logic.

Scented Nectar wrote:
> "Abner Hale" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>>You know, what's best of all, is that you COMPLETELY ABDICATED on my
>>original point. I challenged you to support your blanket assertion
>>that cds caused by meat are always less than cds caused by vegetables.
>>You effectively conceded.
>>
>>You really are a twit.
>
>
> And you're a name calling nothing. You've ignored all
> proof posted by me and others.

What proof?

> You would have found
> your answers there (repeatedly).

In your nonresponses? Ha.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
news
> "Abner Hale" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>>
>> You know, what's best of all, is that you COMPLETELY ABDICATED on my
>> original point. I challenged you to support your blanket assertion
>> that cds caused by meat are always less than cds caused by vegetables.
>> You effectively conceded.
>>
>> You really are a twit.
>
> And you're a name calling nothing. You've ignored all
> proof posted by me and others. You would have found
> your answers there (repeatedly).
=====================
You've never posted any proof you ignorant fool! Man, what a retard....


>
>
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> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>

Scented Nectar wrote:
<...>
> It's kind of silly to suggest that a vegetarian eat
> meat. Especially when their primary reason
> is health. If I thought that humans were meant to
> eat meat, I would chalking it up to nature as much
> as any other carnivore. But I believe that we are
> meant to be vegetarian.

On what basis?