In article et>,
"rick etter" > wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > usual suspect > wrote:
> >
> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> >> humane slaughter which they object.
> >
> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
> =================
> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to back it up.

What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People who
raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty here,
usual? Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
part. Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
animals are vegan or meat eater?

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article et>,
> "rick etter" > wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > usual suspect > wrote:
>> >
>> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
>> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
>> >> humane slaughter which they object.
>> >
>> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
>> =================
>> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to back it
>> up.
>
> What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
> products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People who
> raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty here,
> usual?
================================
Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try reading for
comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people that
produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're the loons
we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew about those
that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of those are
vegan foods, are they?


Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
> killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
> part.
=======================
Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already proven
that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that claim to be
'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their farming will
still cause animals to die.


Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
> animals are vegan or meat eater?
============================
And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are hardly vegan
foods. Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it is
you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having any info,
must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however many
farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet they still
kill them.

Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.

In article . net>,
"rick etter" > wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article et>,
> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > usual suspect > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
> >> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> >> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> >> >> humane slaughter which they object.
> >> >
> >> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
> >> =================
> >> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to back it
> >> up.
> >
> > What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
> > products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People who
> > raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty here,
> > usual?
> ================================
> Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try reading for
> comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people that
> produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're the loons
> we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew about those
> that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of those are
> vegan foods, are they?

Same group. Who does produce food for vegans. Who are the rice growers
of the world? Meat eater, or vegan? Who are the people who use the
products and chemicals that you so kindly point out are responsible
(oops, there's that word) for the collateral death of animals. Who is
that is killing the rodents, amphibians and such -- the meat eater or
the vegan. Farmers and growers are the killers. Some of us tolerate
their violence in the world.

> Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
> > killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
> > part.
> =======================
> Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already proven
> that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that claim to be
> 'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their farming will
> still cause animals to die.

AH, a few might be vegan. Shall we do a comparison of farms operated by
vegans and meat eaters and killers. it's always easy and intellectually
dishonest to generalize to avoid reality.

> Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
> > animals are vegan or meat eater?
> ============================
> And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are hardly vegan
> foods.

Do pay attention. Dutch specifically spoke to raising livestock.

> Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it is
> you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having any info,
> must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however many
> farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet they still
> kill them.
>
> Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.

You must raise livestock. Your propensity for abuse and violence is
familiar to those of us reading. And if not, you might find some
'release' in those acts. I imagine eating meat is less satisfactory than
actually being hands on with killing.

But let's go another round of blaming the vegan for the actions of
others. It is consistent with our culture of passing the buck -- no one
is responsible for anything, everyone is responsible for everything.

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article . net>,
> "rick etter" > wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article et>,
>> > "rick etter" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > usual suspect > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan"
>> >> >> food
>> >> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>> >> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> humane slaughter which they object.
>> >> >
>> >> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
>> >> =================
>> >> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to back
>> >> it
>> >> up.
>> >
>> > What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
>> > products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People who
>> > raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty here,
>> > usual?
>> ================================
>> Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try reading for
>> comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people that
>> produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're the
>> loons
>> we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew about
>> those
>> that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of those are
>> vegan foods, are they?
>
> Same group. Who does produce food for vegans.
======================
Not the same ones that rasie meat, fool.


Who are the rice growers
> of the world? Meat eater, or vegan?
=====================
Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of rice growers world-wide are
not vegan.

Who are the people who use the
> products and chemicals that you so kindly point out are responsible
> (oops, there's that word) for the collateral death of animals.
==========================
Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of organic growers are not
vegan.


Who is
> that is killing the rodents, amphibians and such -- the meat eater or
> the vegan. Farmers and growers are the killers.
===================
Exactly. But that doesn't mean that all of them are meat-eaters, now does
it, fool?


Some of us tolerate
> their violence in the world.
=======================
And are culpable for it. Thanks for pointing that out, pansy-boy....



>
>> Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
>> > killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
>> > part.
>> =======================
>> Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already proven
>> that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that claim to
>> be
>> 'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their farming
>> will
>> still cause animals to die.
>
> AH, a few might be vegan. Shall we do a comparison of farms operated by
> vegans and meat eaters and killers. it's always easy and intellectually
> dishonest to generalize to avoid reality.
==============================
ROTFLMAO What a hoot!! It was you that generalized all growers, you
ignorant fool! Man, what a maroon... Besides, if you could read for
comprhension, you'd see that this discussion was about 'vegan' food! Not
meats. Of course, we know that your comprehension is sorely lacking.


>
>> Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
>> > animals are vegan or meat eater?
>> ============================
>> And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are hardly
>> vegan
>> foods.
>
> Do pay attention. Dutch specifically spoke to raising livestock.
=====================
Not at the top of this thread were I responded fool. Your response was to
Usual, and the discussion was not about livestock. Need a refresher, fool?
try reading for comprehension.
quoted text....
Usual>>> > This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan"
food
> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> humane slaughter which they object.

You>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters. When the vegan buys the
ingredients
for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
products, continues to kill.
end quoted text....

You're an idiot, pansy-boy....

>
>> Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it is
>> you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having any
>> info,
>> must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however many
>> farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet they
>> still
>> kill them.
>>
>> Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.
>
> You must raise livestock. Your propensity for abuse and violence is
> familiar to those of us reading. And if not, you might find some
> 'release' in those acts. I imagine eating meat is less satisfactory than
> actually being hands on with killing.
=======================
Tell us all about your bloody hands, mr freud...


>
> But let's go another round of blaming the vegan for the actions of
> others. It is consistent with our culture of passing the buck -- no one
> is responsible for anything, everyone is responsible for everything.
==============================
ROTFLMAO You really are a hoot! Thanks for stateing exactly what I have
been saying. That vegans, and you now, continue to pass the buck for the
actions they(you) take, knowing full well that the choices they/you make
cause death and suffering to animals. It is vegans and you that are trying
to deny their responsibility. Thanks for proving your stupidity yet
again,pansy-boy...

In article et>,
"rick etter" > wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article . net>,
> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article et>,
> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> > usual suspect > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan"
> >> >> >> food
> >> >> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> >> >> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> humane slaughter which they object.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
> >> >> =================
> >> >> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to back
> >> >> it
> >> >> up.
> >> >
> >> > What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
> >> > products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People who
> >> > raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty here,
> >> > usual?
> >> ================================
> >> Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try reading for
> >> comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people that
> >> produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're the
> >> loons
> >> we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew about
> >> those
> >> that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of those are
> >> vegan foods, are they?
> >
> > Same group. Who does produce food for vegans.
> ======================
> Not the same ones that rasie meat, fool.
>
>
> Who are the rice growers
> > of the world? Meat eater, or vegan?
> =====================
> Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of rice growers world-wide are
> not vegan.
>
> Who are the people who use the
> > products and chemicals that you so kindly point out are responsible
> > (oops, there's that word) for the collateral death of animals.
> ==========================
> Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of organic growers are not
> vegan.
>
>
> Who is
> > that is killing the rodents, amphibians and such -- the meat eater or
> > the vegan. Farmers and growers are the killers.
> ===================
> Exactly. But that doesn't mean that all of them are meat-eaters, now does
> it, fool?
>
>
> Some of us tolerate
> > their violence in the world.
> =======================
> And are culpable for it. Thanks for pointing that out, pansy-boy....
>
>
>
> >
> >> Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
> >> > killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
> >> > part.
> >> =======================
> >> Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already proven
> >> that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that claim to
> >> be
> >> 'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their farming
> >> will
> >> still cause animals to die.
> >
> > AH, a few might be vegan. Shall we do a comparison of farms operated by
> > vegans and meat eaters and killers. it's always easy and intellectually
> > dishonest to generalize to avoid reality.
> ==============================
> ROTFLMAO What a hoot!! It was you that generalized all growers, you
> ignorant fool! Man, what a maroon... Besides, if you could read for
> comprhension, you'd see that this discussion was about 'vegan' food! Not
> meats. Of course, we know that your comprehension is sorely lacking.
>
>
> >
> >> Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
> >> > animals are vegan or meat eater?
> >> ============================
> >> And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are hardly
> >> vegan
> >> foods.
> >
> > Do pay attention. Dutch specifically spoke to raising livestock.
> =====================
> Not at the top of this thread were I responded fool. Your response was to
> Usual, and the discussion was not about livestock. Need a refresher, fool?
> try reading for comprehension.
> quoted text....
> Usual>>> > This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan"
> food
> > production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> > drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> > humane slaughter which they object.
>
> You>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters. When the vegan buys the
> ingredients
> for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
> rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
> products, continues to kill.
> end quoted text....
>
> You're an idiot, pansy-boy....
>
> >
> >> Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it is
> >> you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having any
> >> info,
> >> must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however many
> >> farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet they
> >> still
> >> kill them.
> >>
> >> Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.
> >
> > You must raise livestock. Your propensity for abuse and violence is
> > familiar to those of us reading. And if not, you might find some
> > 'release' in those acts. I imagine eating meat is less satisfactory than
> > actually being hands on with killing.
> =======================
> Tell us all about your bloody hands, mr freud...
>
>
> >
> > But let's go another round of blaming the vegan for the actions of
> > others. It is consistent with our culture of passing the buck -- no one
> > is responsible for anything, everyone is responsible for everything.
> ==============================
> ROTFLMAO You really are a hoot! Thanks for stateing exactly what I have
> been saying. That vegans, and you now, continue to pass the buck for the
> actions they(you) take, knowing full well that the choices they/you make
> cause death and suffering to animals. It is vegans and you that are trying
> to deny their responsibility. Thanks for proving your stupidity yet
> again,pansy-boy...

I'm glad that you are venting your hostility and aggression on a
keyboard and not on some unsuspecting person near to you. I hope there
aren't children in your vicinity.

The vegan can't be responsible for their action, just as the farmer
can't be responsible for their own action. Your theory thus far has made
that clear. The farmer can't control their actions, they are powerless
before me. One word from me and they must kill. I command them. They are
my slaves. I throw in the promise of a few bucks and my minions respond.

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article et>,
> "rick etter" > wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article . net>,
>> > "rick etter" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article et>,
>> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> > usual suspect > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan"
>> >> >> >> food
>> >> >> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>> >> >> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> humane slaughter which they object.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
>> >> >> =================
>> >> >> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to
>> >> >> back
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> up.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
>> >> > products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People
>> >> > who
>> >> > raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty
>> >> > here,
>> >> > usual?
>> >> ================================
>> >> Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try reading
>> >> for
>> >> comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people that
>> >> produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're the
>> >> loons
>> >> we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew about
>> >> those
>> >> that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of those
>> >> are
>> >> vegan foods, are they?
>> >
>> > Same group. Who does produce food for vegans.
>> ======================
>> Not the same ones that rasie meat, fool.
>>
>>
>> Who are the rice growers
>> > of the world? Meat eater, or vegan?
>> =====================
>> Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of rice growers world-wide
>> are
>> not vegan.
>>
>> Who are the people who use the
>> > products and chemicals that you so kindly point out are responsible
>> > (oops, there's that word) for the collateral death of animals.
>> ==========================
>> Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of organic growers are not
>> vegan.
>>
>>
>> Who is
>> > that is killing the rodents, amphibians and such -- the meat eater or
>> > the vegan. Farmers and growers are the killers.
>> ===================
>> Exactly. But that doesn't mean that all of them are meat-eaters, now
>> does
>> it, fool?
>>
>>
>> Some of us tolerate
>> > their violence in the world.
>> =======================
>> And are culpable for it. Thanks for pointing that out, pansy-boy....
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
>> >> > killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
>> >> > part.
>> >> =======================
>> >> Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already
>> >> proven
>> >> that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that claim
>> >> to
>> >> be
>> >> 'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their farming
>> >> will
>> >> still cause animals to die.
>> >
>> > AH, a few might be vegan. Shall we do a comparison of farms operated by
>> > vegans and meat eaters and killers. it's always easy and intellectually
>> > dishonest to generalize to avoid reality.
>> ==============================
>> ROTFLMAO What a hoot!! It was you that generalized all growers, you
>> ignorant fool! Man, what a maroon... Besides, if you could read for
>> comprhension, you'd see that this discussion was about 'vegan' food! Not
>> meats. Of course, we know that your comprehension is sorely lacking.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
>> >> > animals are vegan or meat eater?
>> >> ============================
>> >> And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are hardly
>> >> vegan
>> >> foods.
>> >
>> > Do pay attention. Dutch specifically spoke to raising livestock.
>> =====================
>> Not at the top of this thread were I responded fool. Your response was
>> to
>> Usual, and the discussion was not about livestock. Need a refresher,
>> fool?
>> try reading for comprehension.
>> quoted text....
>> Usual>>> > This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of
>> "vegan"
>> food
>> > production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>> > drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
>> > humane slaughter which they object.
>>
>> You>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters. When the vegan buys the
>> ingredients
>> for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
>> rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
>> products, continues to kill.
>> end quoted text....
>>
>> You're an idiot, pansy-boy....

Lack of comment noted, pansy-boy.... Finally figure out your stupidity?


>>
>> >
>> >> Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it is
>> >> you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having any
>> >> info,
>> >> must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however many
>> >> farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet they
>> >> still
>> >> kill them.
>> >>
>> >> Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.
>> >
>> > You must raise livestock. Your propensity for abuse and violence is
>> > familiar to those of us reading. And if not, you might find some
>> > 'release' in those acts. I imagine eating meat is less satisfactory
>> > than
>> > actually being hands on with killing.
>> =======================
>> Tell us all about your bloody hands, mr freud...
>>
>>
>> >
>> > But let's go another round of blaming the vegan for the actions of
>> > others. It is consistent with our culture of passing the buck -- no one
>> > is responsible for anything, everyone is responsible for everything.
>> ==============================
>> ROTFLMAO You really are a hoot! Thanks for stateing exactly what I
>> have
>> been saying. That vegans, and you now, continue to pass the buck for the
>> actions they(you) take, knowing full well that the choices they/you make
>> cause death and suffering to animals. It is vegans and you that are
>> trying
>> to deny their responsibility. Thanks for proving your stupidity yet
>> again,pansy-boy...
>
> I'm glad that you are venting your hostility and aggression on a
> keyboard and not on some unsuspecting person near to you. I hope there
> aren't children in your vicinity.
>
> The vegan can't be responsible for their action, just as the farmer
> can't be responsible for their own action. Your theory thus far has made
> that clear. The farmer can't control their actions, they are powerless
> before me. One word from me and they must kill. I command them. They are
> my slaves. I throw in the promise of a few bucks and my minions respond.
===============
Lack of any logical response noted, fool. Keep up the good work proving
your ignorance and stupidity....

In article et>,
"rick etter" > wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article et>,
> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article . net>,
> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article et>,
> >> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> > usual suspect > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan"
> >> >> >> >> food
> >> >> >> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> >> >> >> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> humane slaughter which they object.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
> >> >> >> =================
> >> >> >> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to
> >> >> >> back
> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
> >> >> > products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People
> >> >> > who
> >> >> > raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty
> >> >> > here,
> >> >> > usual?
> >> >> ================================
> >> >> Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try reading
> >> >> for
> >> >> comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people that
> >> >> produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're the
> >> >> loons
> >> >> we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew about
> >> >> those
> >> >> that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of those
> >> >> are
> >> >> vegan foods, are they?
> >> >
> >> > Same group. Who does produce food for vegans.
> >> ======================
> >> Not the same ones that rasie meat, fool.
> >>
> >>
> >> Who are the rice growers
> >> > of the world? Meat eater, or vegan?
> >> =====================
> >> Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of rice growers world-wide
> >> are
> >> not vegan.
> >>
> >> Who are the people who use the
> >> > products and chemicals that you so kindly point out are responsible
> >> > (oops, there's that word) for the collateral death of animals.
> >> ==========================
> >> Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of organic growers are not
> >> vegan.
> >>
> >>
> >> Who is
> >> > that is killing the rodents, amphibians and such -- the meat eater or
> >> > the vegan. Farmers and growers are the killers.
> >> ===================
> >> Exactly. But that doesn't mean that all of them are meat-eaters, now
> >> does
> >> it, fool?
> >>
> >>
> >> Some of us tolerate
> >> > their violence in the world.
> >> =======================
> >> And are culpable for it. Thanks for pointing that out, pansy-boy....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
> >> >> > killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
> >> >> > part.
> >> >> =======================
> >> >> Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already
> >> >> proven
> >> >> that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that claim
> >> >> to
> >> >> be
> >> >> 'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their farming
> >> >> will
> >> >> still cause animals to die.
> >> >
> >> > AH, a few might be vegan. Shall we do a comparison of farms operated by
> >> > vegans and meat eaters and killers. it's always easy and intellectually
> >> > dishonest to generalize to avoid reality.
> >> ==============================
> >> ROTFLMAO What a hoot!! It was you that generalized all growers, you
> >> ignorant fool! Man, what a maroon... Besides, if you could read for
> >> comprhension, you'd see that this discussion was about 'vegan' food! Not
> >> meats. Of course, we know that your comprehension is sorely lacking.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
> >> >> > animals are vegan or meat eater?
> >> >> ============================
> >> >> And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are hardly
> >> >> vegan
> >> >> foods.
> >> >
> >> > Do pay attention. Dutch specifically spoke to raising livestock.
> >> =====================
> >> Not at the top of this thread were I responded fool. Your response was
> >> to
> >> Usual, and the discussion was not about livestock. Need a refresher,
> >> fool?
> >> try reading for comprehension.
> >> quoted text....
> >> Usual>>> > This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of
> >> "vegan"
> >> food
> >> > production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> >> > drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> >> > humane slaughter which they object.
> >>
> >> You>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters. When the vegan buys the
> >> ingredients
> >> for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
> >> rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
> >> products, continues to kill.
> >> end quoted text....
> >>
> >> You're an idiot, pansy-boy....
>
> Lack of comment noted, pansy-boy.... Finally figure out your stupidity?
>
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it is
> >> >> you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having any
> >> >> info,
> >> >> must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however many
> >> >> farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet they
> >> >> still
> >> >> kill them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.
> >> >
> >> > You must raise livestock. Your propensity for abuse and violence is
> >> > familiar to those of us reading. And if not, you might find some
> >> > 'release' in those acts. I imagine eating meat is less satisfactory
> >> > than
> >> > actually being hands on with killing.
> >> =======================
> >> Tell us all about your bloody hands, mr freud...
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > But let's go another round of blaming the vegan for the actions of
> >> > others. It is consistent with our culture of passing the buck -- no one
> >> > is responsible for anything, everyone is responsible for everything.
> >> ==============================
> >> ROTFLMAO You really are a hoot! Thanks for stateing exactly what I
> >> have
> >> been saying. That vegans, and you now, continue to pass the buck for the
> >> actions they(you) take, knowing full well that the choices they/you make
> >> cause death and suffering to animals. It is vegans and you that are
> >> trying
> >> to deny their responsibility. Thanks for proving your stupidity yet
> >> again,pansy-boy...
> >
> > I'm glad that you are venting your hostility and aggression on a
> > keyboard and not on some unsuspecting person near to you. I hope there
> > aren't children in your vicinity.
> >
> > The vegan can't be responsible for their action, just as the farmer
> > can't be responsible for their own action. Your theory thus far has made
> > that clear. The farmer can't control their actions, they are powerless
> > before me. One word from me and they must kill. I command them. They are
> > my slaves. I throw in the promise of a few bucks and my minions respond.
> ===============
> Lack of any logical response noted, fool. Keep up the good work proving
> your ignorance and stupidity....

Ah, rick! Hello! It is you that didn't respond. You have argued that the
killers of animals are not responsible and that the consumer is
responsible. I asked then, who is responsible for the consumer's
actions? How can you logically state that one is responsible for the
other, but not vice versa.

I'm sorry you're looking foolish, rick. But this is the outcome of the
beliefs that you are advocating here in your attempt to make vegans look
bad.

In article et>,
"rick etter" > wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article et>,
> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article . net>,
> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article et>,
> >> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > In article >,
> >> >> >> > usual suspect > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan"
> >> >> >> >> food
> >> >> >> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> >> >> >> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> humane slaughter which they object.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
> >> >> >> =================
> >> >> >> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to
> >> >> >> back
> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
> >> >> > products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People
> >> >> > who
> >> >> > raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty
> >> >> > here,
> >> >> > usual?
> >> >> ================================
> >> >> Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try reading
> >> >> for
> >> >> comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people that
> >> >> produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're the
> >> >> loons
> >> >> we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew about
> >> >> those
> >> >> that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of those
> >> >> are
> >> >> vegan foods, are they?
> >> >
> >> > Same group. Who does produce food for vegans.
> >> ======================
> >> Not the same ones that rasie meat, fool.
> >>
> >>
> >> Who are the rice growers
> >> > of the world? Meat eater, or vegan?
> >> =====================
> >> Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of rice growers world-wide
> >> are
> >> not vegan.
> >>
> >> Who are the people who use the
> >> > products and chemicals that you so kindly point out are responsible
> >> > (oops, there's that word) for the collateral death of animals.
> >> ==========================
> >> Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of organic growers are not
> >> vegan.
> >>
> >>
> >> Who is
> >> > that is killing the rodents, amphibians and such -- the meat eater or
> >> > the vegan. Farmers and growers are the killers.
> >> ===================
> >> Exactly. But that doesn't mean that all of them are meat-eaters, now
> >> does
> >> it, fool?
> >>
> >>
> >> Some of us tolerate
> >> > their violence in the world.
> >> =======================
> >> And are culpable for it. Thanks for pointing that out, pansy-boy....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
> >> >> > killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
> >> >> > part.
> >> >> =======================
> >> >> Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already
> >> >> proven
> >> >> that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that claim
> >> >> to
> >> >> be
> >> >> 'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their farming
> >> >> will
> >> >> still cause animals to die.
> >> >
> >> > AH, a few might be vegan. Shall we do a comparison of farms operated by
> >> > vegans and meat eaters and killers. it's always easy and intellectually
> >> > dishonest to generalize to avoid reality.
> >> ==============================
> >> ROTFLMAO What a hoot!! It was you that generalized all growers, you
> >> ignorant fool! Man, what a maroon... Besides, if you could read for
> >> comprhension, you'd see that this discussion was about 'vegan' food! Not
> >> meats. Of course, we know that your comprehension is sorely lacking.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
> >> >> > animals are vegan or meat eater?
> >> >> ============================
> >> >> And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are hardly
> >> >> vegan
> >> >> foods.
> >> >
> >> > Do pay attention. Dutch specifically spoke to raising livestock.
> >> =====================
> >> Not at the top of this thread were I responded fool. Your response was
> >> to
> >> Usual, and the discussion was not about livestock. Need a refresher,
> >> fool?
> >> try reading for comprehension.
> >> quoted text....
> >> Usual>>> > This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of
> >> "vegan"
> >> food
> >> > production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> >> > drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> >> > humane slaughter which they object.
> >>
> >> You>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters. When the vegan buys the
> >> ingredients
> >> for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
> >> rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
> >> products, continues to kill.
> >> end quoted text....
> >>
> >> You're an idiot, pansy-boy....
>
> Lack of comment noted, pansy-boy.... Finally figure out your stupidity?
>
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it is
> >> >> you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having any
> >> >> info,
> >> >> must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however many
> >> >> farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet they
> >> >> still
> >> >> kill them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.
> >> >
> >> > You must raise livestock. Your propensity for abuse and violence is
> >> > familiar to those of us reading. And if not, you might find some
> >> > 'release' in those acts. I imagine eating meat is less satisfactory
> >> > than
> >> > actually being hands on with killing.
> >> =======================
> >> Tell us all about your bloody hands, mr freud...
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > But let's go another round of blaming the vegan for the actions of
> >> > others. It is consistent with our culture of passing the buck -- no one
> >> > is responsible for anything, everyone is responsible for everything.
> >> ==============================
> >> ROTFLMAO You really are a hoot! Thanks for stateing exactly what I
> >> have
> >> been saying. That vegans, and you now, continue to pass the buck for the
> >> actions they(you) take, knowing full well that the choices they/you make
> >> cause death and suffering to animals. It is vegans and you that are
> >> trying
> >> to deny their responsibility. Thanks for proving your stupidity yet
> >> again,pansy-boy...
> >
> > I'm glad that you are venting your hostility and aggression on a
> > keyboard and not on some unsuspecting person near to you. I hope there
> > aren't children in your vicinity.
> >
> > The vegan can't be responsible for their action, just as the farmer
> > can't be responsible for their own action. Your theory thus far has made
> > that clear. The farmer can't control their actions, they are powerless
> > before me. One word from me and they must kill. I command them. They are
> > my slaves. I throw in the promise of a few bucks and my minions respond.
> ===============
> Lack of any logical response noted, fool. Keep up the good work proving
> your ignorance and stupidity....

Ah, rick! Hello! It is you that didn't respond. You have argued that the
killers of animals are not responsible and that the consumer is
responsible. I asked then, who is responsible for the consumer's
actions? How can you logically state that one is responsible for the
other, but not vice versa.

I'm sorry you're looking foolish, rick. But this is the outcome of the
beliefs that you are advocating here in your attempt to make vegans look
bad.

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article et>,
> "rick etter" > wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article . net>,
>> > "rick etter" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article et>,
>> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> > usual suspect > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan"
>> >> >> >> food
>> >> >> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>> >> >> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> humane slaughter which they object.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
>> >> >> =================
>> >> >> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to
>> >> >> back
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> up.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
>> >> > products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People
>> >> > who
>> >> > raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty
>> >> > here,
>> >> > usual?
>> >> ================================
>> >> Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try reading
>> >> for
>> >> comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people that
>> >> produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're the
>> >> loons
>> >> we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew about
>> >> those
>> >> that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of those
>> >> are
>> >> vegan foods, are they?
>> >
>> > Same group. Who does produce food for vegans.
>> ======================
>> Not the same ones that rasie meat, fool.
>>
>>
>> Who are the rice growers
>> > of the world? Meat eater, or vegan?
>> =====================
>> Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of rice growers world-wide
>> are
>> not vegan.
>>
>> Who are the people who use the
>> > products and chemicals that you so kindly point out are responsible
>> > (oops, there's that word) for the collateral death of animals.
>> ==========================
>> Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of organic growers are not
>> vegan.
>>
>>
>> Who is
>> > that is killing the rodents, amphibians and such -- the meat eater or
>> > the vegan. Farmers and growers are the killers.
>> ===================
>> Exactly. But that doesn't mean that all of them are meat-eaters, now
>> does
>> it, fool?
>>
>>
>> Some of us tolerate
>> > their violence in the world.
>> =======================
>> And are culpable for it. Thanks for pointing that out, pansy-boy....
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
>> >> > killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
>> >> > part.
>> >> =======================
>> >> Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already
>> >> proven
>> >> that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that claim
>> >> to
>> >> be
>> >> 'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their farming
>> >> will
>> >> still cause animals to die.
>> >
>> > AH, a few might be vegan. Shall we do a comparison of farms operated by
>> > vegans and meat eaters and killers. it's always easy and intellectually
>> > dishonest to generalize to avoid reality.
>> ==============================
>> ROTFLMAO What a hoot!! It was you that generalized all growers, you
>> ignorant fool! Man, what a maroon... Besides, if you could read for
>> comprhension, you'd see that this discussion was about 'vegan' food! Not
>> meats. Of course, we know that your comprehension is sorely lacking.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
>> >> > animals are vegan or meat eater?
>> >> ============================
>> >> And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are hardly
>> >> vegan
>> >> foods.
>> >
>> > Do pay attention. Dutch specifically spoke to raising livestock.
>> =====================
>> Not at the top of this thread were I responded fool. Your response was
>> to
>> Usual, and the discussion was not about livestock. Need a refresher,
>> fool?
>> try reading for comprehension.
>> quoted text....
>> Usual>>> > This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of
>> "vegan"
>> food
>> > production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>> > drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
>> > humane slaughter which they object.
>>
>> You>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters. When the vegan buys the
>> ingredients
>> for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
>> rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
>> products, continues to kill.
>> end quoted text....
>>
>> You're an idiot, pansy-boy....

Lack of comment noted, pansy-boy.... Finally figure out your stupidity?


>>
>> >
>> >> Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it is
>> >> you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having any
>> >> info,
>> >> must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however many
>> >> farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet they
>> >> still
>> >> kill them.
>> >>
>> >> Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.
>> >
>> > You must raise livestock. Your propensity for abuse and violence is
>> > familiar to those of us reading. And if not, you might find some
>> > 'release' in those acts. I imagine eating meat is less satisfactory
>> > than
>> > actually being hands on with killing.
>> =======================
>> Tell us all about your bloody hands, mr freud...
>>
>>
>> >
>> > But let's go another round of blaming the vegan for the actions of
>> > others. It is consistent with our culture of passing the buck -- no one
>> > is responsible for anything, everyone is responsible for everything.
>> ==============================
>> ROTFLMAO You really are a hoot! Thanks for stateing exactly what I
>> have
>> been saying. That vegans, and you now, continue to pass the buck for the
>> actions they(you) take, knowing full well that the choices they/you make
>> cause death and suffering to animals. It is vegans and you that are
>> trying
>> to deny their responsibility. Thanks for proving your stupidity yet
>> again,pansy-boy...
>
> I'm glad that you are venting your hostility and aggression on a
> keyboard and not on some unsuspecting person near to you. I hope there
> aren't children in your vicinity.
>
> The vegan can't be responsible for their action, just as the farmer
> can't be responsible for their own action. Your theory thus far has made
> that clear. The farmer can't control their actions, they are powerless
> before me. One word from me and they must kill. I command them. They are
> my slaves. I throw in the promise of a few bucks and my minions respond.
===============
Lack of any logical response noted, fool. Keep up the good work proving
your ignorance and stupidity....

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article . net>,
> "rick etter" > wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article et>,
>> > "rick etter" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > usual suspect > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan"
>> >> >> food
>> >> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>> >> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> humane slaughter which they object.
>> >> >
>> >> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
>> >> =================
>> >> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to back
>> >> it
>> >> up.
>> >
>> > What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
>> > products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People who
>> > raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty here,
>> > usual?
>> ================================
>> Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try reading for
>> comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people that
>> produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're the
>> loons
>> we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew about
>> those
>> that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of those are
>> vegan foods, are they?
>
> Same group. Who does produce food for vegans.
======================
Not the same ones that rasie meat, fool.


Who are the rice growers
> of the world? Meat eater, or vegan?
=====================
Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of rice growers world-wide are
not vegan.

Who are the people who use the
> products and chemicals that you so kindly point out are responsible
> (oops, there's that word) for the collateral death of animals.
==========================
Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of organic growers are not
vegan.


Who is
> that is killing the rodents, amphibians and such -- the meat eater or
> the vegan. Farmers and growers are the killers.
===================
Exactly. But that doesn't mean that all of them are meat-eaters, now does
it, fool?


Some of us tolerate
> their violence in the world.
=======================
And are culpable for it. Thanks for pointing that out, pansy-boy....



>
>> Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
>> > killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
>> > part.
>> =======================
>> Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already proven
>> that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that claim to
>> be
>> 'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their farming
>> will
>> still cause animals to die.
>
> AH, a few might be vegan. Shall we do a comparison of farms operated by
> vegans and meat eaters and killers. it's always easy and intellectually
> dishonest to generalize to avoid reality.
==============================
ROTFLMAO What a hoot!! It was you that generalized all growers, you
ignorant fool! Man, what a maroon... Besides, if you could read for
comprhension, you'd see that this discussion was about 'vegan' food! Not
meats. Of course, we know that your comprehension is sorely lacking.


>
>> Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
>> > animals are vegan or meat eater?
>> ============================
>> And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are hardly
>> vegan
>> foods.
>
> Do pay attention. Dutch specifically spoke to raising livestock.
=====================
Not at the top of this thread were I responded fool. Your response was to
Usual, and the discussion was not about livestock. Need a refresher, fool?
try reading for comprehension.
quoted text....
Usual>>> > This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan"
food
> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> humane slaughter which they object.

You>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters. When the vegan buys the
ingredients
for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
products, continues to kill.
end quoted text....

You're an idiot, pansy-boy....

>
>> Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it is
>> you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having any
>> info,
>> must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however many
>> farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet they
>> still
>> kill them.
>>
>> Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.
>
> You must raise livestock. Your propensity for abuse and violence is
> familiar to those of us reading. And if not, you might find some
> 'release' in those acts. I imagine eating meat is less satisfactory than
> actually being hands on with killing.
=======================
Tell us all about your bloody hands, mr freud...


>
> But let's go another round of blaming the vegan for the actions of
> others. It is consistent with our culture of passing the buck -- no one
> is responsible for anything, everyone is responsible for everything.
==============================
ROTFLMAO You really are a hoot! Thanks for stateing exactly what I have
been saying. That vegans, and you now, continue to pass the buck for the
actions they(you) take, knowing full well that the choices they/you make
cause death and suffering to animals. It is vegans and you that are trying
to deny their responsibility. Thanks for proving your stupidity yet
again,pansy-boy...

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article et>,
> "rick etter" > wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > usual suspect > wrote:
>> >
>> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
>> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
>> >> humane slaughter which they object.
>> >
>> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
>> =================
>> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to back it
>> up.
>
> What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
> products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People who
> raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty here,
> usual?
================================
Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try reading for
comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people that
produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're the loons
we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew about those
that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of those are
vegan foods, are they?


Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
> killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
> part.
=======================
Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already proven
that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that claim to be
'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their farming will
still cause animals to die.


Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
> animals are vegan or meat eater?
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And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are hardly vegan
foods. Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it is
you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having any info,
must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however many
farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet they still
kill them.

Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.