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> "rick etter" > wrote:
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>> "Ron" > wrote in message
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>> > In article et>,
>> > "rick etter" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article . net>,
>> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > In article et>,
>> >> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> > In article >,
>> >> >> >> > usual suspect > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of
>> >> >> >> >> "vegan"
>> >> >> >> >> food
>> >> >> >> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning,
>> >> >> >> >> mutilation,
>> >> >> >> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel"
>> >> >> >> >> than
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> humane slaughter which they object.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
>> >> >> >> =================
>> >> >> >> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to
>> >> >> >> back
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> up.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
>> >> >> > products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products.
>> >> >> > People
>> >> >> > who
>> >> >> > raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty
>> >> >> > here,
>> >> >> > usual?
>> >> >> ================================
>> >> >> Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try
>> >> >> reading
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> loons
>> >> >> we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew
>> >> >> about
>> >> >> those
>> >> >> that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of
>> >> >> those
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> vegan foods, are they?
>> >> >
>> >> > Same group. Who does produce food for vegans.
>> >> ======================
>> >> Not the same ones that rasie meat, fool.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Who are the rice growers
>> >> > of the world? Meat eater, or vegan?
>> >> =====================
>> >> Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of rice growers
>> >> world-wide
>> >> are
>> >> not vegan.
>> >>
>> >> Who are the people who use the
>> >> > products and chemicals that you so kindly point out are responsible
>> >> > (oops, there's that word) for the collateral death of animals.
>> >> ==========================
>> >> Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of organic growers are not
>> >> vegan.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Who is
>> >> > that is killing the rodents, amphibians and such -- the meat eater
>> >> > or
>> >> > the vegan. Farmers and growers are the killers.
>> >> ===================
>> >> Exactly. But that doesn't mean that all of them are meat-eaters, now
>> >> does
>> >> it, fool?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Some of us tolerate
>> >> > their violence in the world.
>> >> =======================
>> >> And are culpable for it. Thanks for pointing that out, pansy-boy....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
>> >> >> > killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on
>> >> >> > your
>> >> >> > part.
>> >> >> =======================
>> >> >> Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already
>> >> >> proven
>> >> >> that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that
>> >> >> claim
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> 'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their
>> >> >> farming
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> still cause animals to die.
>> >> >
>> >> > AH, a few might be vegan. Shall we do a comparison of farms operated
>> >> > by
>> >> > vegans and meat eaters and killers. it's always easy and
>> >> > intellectually
>> >> > dishonest to generalize to avoid reality.
>> >> ==============================
>> >> ROTFLMAO What a hoot!! It was you that generalized all growers, you
>> >> ignorant fool! Man, what a maroon... Besides, if you could read for
>> >> comprhension, you'd see that this discussion was about 'vegan' food!
>> >> Not
>> >> meats. Of course, we know that your comprehension is sorely lacking.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
>> >> >> > animals are vegan or meat eater?
>> >> >> ============================
>> >> >> And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are
>> >> >> hardly
>> >> >> vegan
>> >> >> foods.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do pay attention. Dutch specifically spoke to raising livestock.
>> >> =====================
>> >> Not at the top of this thread were I responded fool. Your response
>> >> was
>> >> to
>> >> Usual, and the discussion was not about livestock. Need a refresher,
>> >> fool?
>> >> try reading for comprehension.
>> >> quoted text....
>> >> Usual>>> > This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of
>> >> "vegan"
>> >> food
>> >> > production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>> >> > drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
>> >> > humane slaughter which they object.
>> >>
>> >> You>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters. When the vegan buys the
>> >> ingredients
>> >> for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
>> >> rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
>> >> products, continues to kill.
>> >> end quoted text....
>> >>
>> >> You're an idiot, pansy-boy....
>>
>> Lack of comment noted, pansy-boy.... Finally figure out your stupidity?
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having
>> >> >> any
>> >> >> info,
>> >> >> must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however
>> >> >> many
>> >> >> farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> still
>> >> >> kill them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.
>> >> >
>> >> > You must raise livestock. Your propensity for abuse and violence is
>> >> > familiar to those of us reading. And if not, you might find some
>> >> > 'release' in those acts. I imagine eating meat is less satisfactory
>> >> > than
>> >> > actually being hands on with killing.
>> >> =======================
>> >> Tell us all about your bloody hands, mr freud...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > But let's go another round of blaming the vegan for the actions of
>> >> > others. It is consistent with our culture of passing the buck -- no
>> >> > one
>> >> > is responsible for anything, everyone is responsible for everything.
>> >> ==============================
>> >> ROTFLMAO You really are a hoot! Thanks for stateing exactly what I
>> >> have
>> >> been saying. That vegans, and you now, continue to pass the buck for
>> >> the
>> >> actions they(you) take, knowing full well that the choices they/you
>> >> make
>> >> cause death and suffering to animals. It is vegans and you that are
>> >> trying
>> >> to deny their responsibility. Thanks for proving your stupidity yet
>> >> again,pansy-boy...
>> >
>> > I'm glad that you are venting your hostility and aggression on a
>> > keyboard and not on some unsuspecting person near to you. I hope there
>> > aren't children in your vicinity.
>> >
>> > The vegan can't be responsible for their action, just as the farmer
>> > can't be responsible for their own action. Your theory thus far has
>> > made
>> > that clear. The farmer can't control their actions, they are powerless
>> > before me. One word from me and they must kill. I command them. They
>> > are
>> > my slaves. I throw in the promise of a few bucks and my minions
>> > respond.
>> ===============
>> Lack of any logical response noted, fool. Keep up the good work proving
>> your ignorance and stupidity....
>
> Ah, rick! Hello! It is you that didn't respond. You have argued that the
> killers of animals are not responsible and that the consumer is
> responsible.
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Nice bit of ly there pansy-boy? I suggest you get whatever it is out of
your mouth and learn to read for comprehension, fool.

I asked then, who is responsible for the consumer's
> actions? How can you logically state that one is responsible for the
> other, but not vice versa.
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Because you start with a ly about what I said, you have to fall back to even
more ignorant spew. Thanks for proving yet again you have nothing...


>
> I'm sorry you're looking foolish, rick. But this is the outcome of the
> beliefs that you are advocating here in your attempt to make vegans look
> bad.