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yet another article long on hysteria and supposition and damn all evidence.
A classic example is

Had the United States heeded experts and implemented a British-style ban on
feeding livestock to livestock, and tightened the ban further in 1996 when
humans began dying, the mad cow crisis in the United States could have been
averted. Instead, we now have mad cow disease in North America, calves in
the United States and Canada weaned on cattle blood, and the Centers for
Disease Control (CDC) quietly reviewing the mysterious deaths of young
Americans from sporadic CJD to see if the cause of death might be eating
U.S. mad cows.

For a start you don't have a crisis. You have no one ill, no cattle dying,
and if you had an outbreak like the UK outbreak you would have thousands of
cattle coming ill a week!

And in spite of this level of infection

and in spite of having taken no precautions for most of the epidemic

in the UK we have less than 20 a year dead, (as opposed to 100 who die from
falling out of bed) and the number is falling

If you want to save lives, lobby for safety rails around beds

Jim Webster

"BSE is here to stay"---------Health Canada scientists.

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> "BSE is here to stay"---------Health Canada scientists.

BSE has probably always been with us, the more we look, the more TSEs we
find, virtually every mammal seems to have one. Hey, and we've been living
with them for millions of year.

Jim Webster
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"Hey, and we've been living with them for millions of year."
So sez Jim.

I think the BSE problem was only the worst case of a much more
widespread problem in animal nutrition. The chances that you will
eventually cause the spread of a disease by feeding bits of animals
back to animals is surely very high - especially when the animals (such
as cattle) have a digestive system which is not designed to break down
naimal proteins. Cows left to themselves live on grass. Once the poor
animals have been contaminated with the prions responsible for BSE the
cycle carries on.

However, BSE is not the only effect of feeding animals with "unnatural"
materials. The very common use of fish-meal in animal feedstuffs causes
a major problem for people who are highly allergic to fish. It seems
logical that it should be that way but nobody in the animal feed or
fishing industries cares to think the problem through.

Although fish allergy is often highly species specific, I am sure that
no studies have been done on which particular fish still cause problems
after their proteins have been partly digested by a cow (or a sheep,
chicken, pig etc.) All meat and egg containing products derived from
the flesh of animals fed in this way can be lethal for a person with
the right level of allergic response.

There is a lot to be said for properly controlled farming (the EEC is
trying to sort this aspect out at the moment). However, the problem
doesn't stop there. Here are a few more example of how fish can enter
the everyday diet with disasterous consequences for highly allergic
people.

1. The fish residues in English beer
2. The fish residues in many European wines
3. The use of fish proteins in the icing on cakes
4. Any meat products where the origin of the meat is uncertain
5. The use of fish gelatin in sweets
6. Via the milk powder used in confectionery and chocolate
7. The use of monk fish as a lobster replacement
8. All products containing egg

The monk fish one nearly finished me off in a Chinese restaurant in
London some years ago. I can eat lobster (real) but monk fish is about
as healthy as a dose of cyanide for me (and I didn't know!).

Unfortunately. I have had to spend my life trying to avoid fish in all
its obvious and hidden forms - it is a constant battle. Has anyone else
similar experiences?

Ellerman12

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>I think the BSE problem was only the worst case of a much more
>widespread problem in animal nutrition. The chances that you will
>eventually cause the spread of a disease by feeding bits of animals
>back to animals is surely very high - especially when the animals (such
>as cattle) have a digestive system which is not designed to break down
>naimal proteins.

This would be a splendid argument if feeding meat products to animals,
including dairy cows, hadn't been going on for a couple of hundred
years, and in pigs and poultry for perhaps 10,000 years.

>Cows left to themselves live on grass.

Even that's untrue. Cattle and sheep knaw bones in the wild and have
been seen to eat fish off the riverbank. I've personally seen one grab
and eat a sparrow.

>Once the poor
>animals have been contaminated with the prions responsible for BSE the
>cycle carries on.

Not if the cycle is broken.

>However, BSE is not the only effect of feeding animals with "unnatural"
>materials. The very common use of fish-meal in animal feedstuffs causes
>a major problem for people who are highly allergic to fish. It seems
>logical that it should be that way but nobody in the animal feed or
>fishing industries cares to think the problem through.

I think its better to fix the allergy myself.

>Although fish allergy is often highly species specific, I am sure that
>no studies have been done on which particular fish still cause problems
>after their proteins have been partly digested by a cow (or a sheep,
>chicken, pig etc.) All meat and egg containing products derived from
>the flesh of animals fed in this way can be lethal for a person with
>the right level of allergic response.

Its certainly safer to fix the allergy.

>There is a lot to be said for properly controlled farming (the EEC is
>trying to sort this aspect out at the moment). However, the problem
>doesn't stop there. Here are a few more example of how fish can enter
>the everyday diet with disasterous consequences for highly allergic
>people.
>
>1. The fish residues in English beer
>2. The fish residues in many European wines
>3. The use of fish proteins in the icing on cakes
>4. Any meat products where the origin of the meat is uncertain
>5. The use of fish gelatin in sweets
>6. Via the milk powder used in confectionery and chocolate
>7. The use of monk fish as a lobster replacement
>8. All products containing egg
>
>The monk fish one nearly finished me off in a Chinese restaurant in
>London some years ago. I can eat lobster (real) but monk fish is about
>as healthy as a dose of cyanide for me (and I didn't know!).

You have a problem. You would be wise to source your food with extreme
care. Remember that many oriental cuisines use a fish sauce as a
condiment.

>Unfortunately. I have had to spend my life trying to avoid fish in all
>its obvious and hidden forms - it is a constant battle. Has anyone else
>similar experiences?

I would suggest examining allergy reduction procedures.
Being inhabited by intestinal parasites might help.

--
Oz

I think that long time preexisting allergic reactions can sometimes
reappear in later life as "triggers" even to fibrillar neuromusclar
diseases, particularly the late onset slower diseases This would be
similar to genetic predisposition lying latent. Why shouldn't "worm
toxins" from childhood set up alergic responses to any similar
wormishness, or fishiness might much later in life?. A lot of the
correction, if possible at all, will likely be by personal evaluation
of what foods (or industrial waste) to avoid. Though it's logically
quite convoluted, my IBM is somewhat linked to "welder's disease" where
the real excess of fumes happened 40 yearsa ago, My interest now is
"Manganese" "Ferro-manganese" oriented Del Crow

In article >,
(Jim Webster) says...

> Had the United States heeded experts and implemented a British-style ban on
> feeding livestock to livestock, and tightened the ban further in 1996 when
> humans began dying, the mad cow crisis in the United States could have been
> averted.

There is no "mad cow crisis" in the USA. One animal in the USA has been
identified with BSE. It was bred and infected in Alberta Province,
Canada. Despite intensive testing, no other BSE infected bovine has
been identified in the USA.

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