And cares about Animal rights. Are you published in so many peer
reviewed papers. (Yes, there are popular press articles mixed in.)

I would prefer a doctor that cares about life.

# Barnard ND, Scialli, Turner-McGrievy GM, Lanou AJ. Acceptability of a
very-low-fat, vegan diet compares favorably to a more moderate low-fat
diet in a randomized, controlled trial. J Cardiopulm Rehab 2004;24:229-35.
# Turner-McGrievy GM, Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Lanou AJ. Effects of a
low-fat, vegan diet and a Step II diet on macro- and micronutrient
intakes in overweight, postmenopausal women. Nutrition 2004;20:738-46.
# Berkow S, Barnard ND. Blood pressure regulation and vegetarian diets.
Nutr Rev 2004, in press.
# Lanou A, Barnard ND, Berkow S. Calcium, dairy products, and bone
health in children and young adults: A re-evaluation of the evidence.
Pediatrics 2004, in press.
# Jenkins DJA, Kendall CWC, Marchie A, Jenkins AL, Augustin LSA, Ludwig
DS,Barnard ND, Anderson JW. Type 2 diabetes and the vegetarian diet. Am
J Clin Nutr 2003, in press.
# Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Turner-McGrievy G, Lanou AJ. Acceptability of
a low-fat, vegan diet compares favorably to a Step II diet in a
randomized, controlled trial. (Abstract) Diabetes 2003; American
Diabetes Association 63rd Scientific Sessions Abstract Book, in press.
# Barnard ND. Toxicity testing in the development of anticancer drugs.
Lancet Oncol 2002;3:440–1.
# Keller JL, Lanou AJ, Barnard ND. The consumer cost of calcium from
food and supplements. J Am Dietetic Asso 2002;102:1669–71.
# Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Bobela S. The current use of estrogens for
growth-suppressant therapy in adolescent girls. J Ped Adol Gynecol
2002;15:23–6.
# Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Hurlock D, Bertron P. Diet and sex-hormone
binding globulin, dysmenorrhea, and premenstrual symptoms. Obstet
Gynecol 2000;95:245-50.
# Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Bertron P, Hurlock D, Edmonds K, Talev L.
Effectiveness of a low-fat, vegetarian diet in altering serum lipids in
healthy premenopausal women. Am J Cardiol 2000;85:969-72.
# Bertron P, Barnard ND, Mills M. Racial bias in federal nutrition
policy, part II: weak guidelines take a disproportionate toll. J Natl
Med Assoc 1999; 91: 201–08.
# Barnard ND. Study design of an investigation of lactose maldigestion.
Am J Clin Nutr 1999, 69: 1287–92.
# Nicholson AS, Sklar M, Barnard ND, Gore S, Sullivan R, Browning S.
Toward improved management of NIDDM: a randomized, controlled, pilot
intervention using a low-fat, vegetarian diet. Prev Med 1999;29:87–91.
# Bertron P, Barnard ND, Mills M. Racial bias in federal nutrition
policy, part I: the public health implications of variations in lactase
persistence. J Natl Med Assoc 1999;91:151–157.
# Barnard ND, Kaufman SR. Animal research is wasteful and misleading.
Sci Am 1997;276:64–6.
# Ou****er JL, Nicholson A, Barnard ND. Dairy products and breast
cancer: the IGF-I, estrogen, and bGH hypothesis. Med Hypoth 1997;48:453–61.
# Haapapuro ER, Barnard ND, Simon M. Animal waste used as livestock
feed: dangers to human health. Prev Med 1997;26:599–602.
# Barnard ND, Nicholson A. Beliefs about dietary factors in breast
cancer prevention among American women, 1991 to 1995. Prev Med
1997;26:109–13.
# Wolfe M, Barnard ND, McCaffrey SM. Animal laboratory exercises in
medical school curricula. ATLA 1996;24, 953–6.
# Barnard ND, Akhtar A, Nicholson A. Factors that facilitate compliance
to lower fat intake. Arch Fam Med 1995;4:153–8.
# Barnard ND, Nicholson A, Howard JL. The medical costs attributable to
meat consumption. Prev Med 1995;24:646–55.
# Barnard ND. Human experiments: redrawing ethical boundaries. Appl Clin
Trials 1994;3:34–6.
# Butrum R, Barnard ND, Campbell TC, et al. Diet, nutrition and cancer
in health care reform: a position paper of the American Institute for
Cancer Research. American Institute for Cancer Research, Washington, DC,
August 1994.

"Beach Runner" > wrote in message
news
> And cares about Animal rights. Are you published in so many
> peer reviewed papers. (Yes, there are popular press articles
> mixed in.)
>
> I would prefer a doctor that cares about life.
====================
Why? You continue to prove that YOU don't care about unnecessary
death and suffering of animals, killer.



snip crap...

Beach Runner wrote:
> And cares about Animal rights. Are you published in so many peer
> reviewed papers. (Yes, there are popular press articles mixed in.)
>
> I would prefer a doctor that cares about life.
>
> # Barnard ND, Scialli, Turner-McGrievy GM, Lanou AJ. Acceptability of a
> very-low-fat, vegan diet compares favorably to a more moderate low-fat
> diet in a randomized, controlled trial. J Cardiopulm Rehab 2004;24:229-35.
> # Turner-McGrievy GM, Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Lanou AJ. Effects of a
> low-fat, vegan diet and a Step II diet on macro- and micronutrient
> intakes in overweight, postmenopausal women. Nutrition 2004;20:738-46.
> # Berkow S, Barnard ND. Blood pressure regulation and vegetarian diets.
> Nutr Rev 2004, in press.
> # Lanou A, Barnard ND, Berkow S. Calcium, dairy products, and bone
> health in children and young adults: A re-evaluation of the evidence.
> Pediatrics 2004, in press.
> # Jenkins DJA, Kendall CWC, Marchie A, Jenkins AL, Augustin LSA, Ludwig
> DS,Barnard ND, Anderson JW. Type 2 diabetes and the vegetarian diet. Am
> J Clin Nutr 2003, in press.
> # Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Turner-McGrievy G, Lanou AJ. Acceptability of
> a low-fat, vegan diet compares favorably to a Step II diet in a
> randomized, controlled trial. (Abstract) Diabetes 2003; American
> Diabetes Association 63rd Scientific Sessions Abstract Book, in press.
> # Barnard ND. Toxicity testing in the development of anticancer drugs.
> Lancet Oncol 2002;3:440–1.
> # Keller JL, Lanou AJ, Barnard ND. The consumer cost of calcium from
> food and supplements. J Am Dietetic Asso 2002;102:1669–71.
> # Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Bobela S. The current use of estrogens for
> growth-suppressant therapy in adolescent girls. J Ped Adol Gynecol
> 2002;15:23–6.
> # Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Hurlock D, Bertron P. Diet and sex-hormone
> binding globulin, dysmenorrhea, and premenstrual symptoms. Obstet
> Gynecol 2000;95:245-50.
> # Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Bertron P, Hurlock D, Edmonds K, Talev L.
> Effectiveness of a low-fat, vegetarian diet in altering serum lipids in
> healthy premenopausal women. Am J Cardiol 2000;85:969-72.
> # Bertron P, Barnard ND, Mills M. Racial bias in federal nutrition
> policy, part II: weak guidelines take a disproportionate toll. J Natl
> Med Assoc 1999; 91: 201–08.
> # Barnard ND. Study design of an investigation of lactose maldigestion.
> Am J Clin Nutr 1999, 69: 1287–92.
> # Nicholson AS, Sklar M, Barnard ND, Gore S, Sullivan R, Browning S.
> Toward improved management of NIDDM: a randomized, controlled, pilot
> intervention using a low-fat, vegetarian diet. Prev Med 1999;29:87–91.
> # Bertron P, Barnard ND, Mills M. Racial bias in federal nutrition
> policy, part I: the public health implications of variations in lactase
> persistence. J Natl Med Assoc 1999;91:151–157.
> # Barnard ND, Kaufman SR. Animal research is wasteful and misleading.
> Sci Am 1997;276:64–6.
> # Ou****er JL, Nicholson A, Barnard ND. Dairy products and breast
> cancer: the IGF-I, estrogen, and bGH hypothesis. Med Hypoth 1997;48:453–61.
> # Haapapuro ER, Barnard ND, Simon M. Animal waste used as livestock
> feed: dangers to human health. Prev Med 1997;26:599–602.
> # Barnard ND, Nicholson A. Beliefs about dietary factors in breast
> cancer prevention among American women, 1991 to 1995. Prev Med
> 1997;26:109–13.
> # Wolfe M, Barnard ND, McCaffrey SM. Animal laboratory exercises in
> medical school curricula. ATLA 1996;24, 953–6.
> # Barnard ND, Akhtar A, Nicholson A. Factors that facilitate compliance
> to lower fat intake. Arch Fam Med 1995;4:153–8.
> # Barnard ND, Nicholson A, Howard JL. The medical costs attributable to
> meat consumption. Prev Med 1995;24:646–55.
> # Barnard ND. Human experiments: redrawing ethical boundaries. Appl Clin
> Trials 1994;3:34–6.
> # Butrum R, Barnard ND, Campbell TC, et al. Diet, nutrition and cancer
> in health care reform: a position paper of the American Institute for
> Cancer Research. American Institute for Cancer Research, Washington, DC,
> August 1994.

I notice that none of the bigots that say Bernard has no qualifications
in the field ignore this list of peer reviewed articles.

Yes, he's a believer in Animal Rights. I'm more concerned about a Vice
President that shoots caged birds than a doctor, with an adjunct Medical
Teaching Position, that cares about life. There is real research in
professional journals.

I don't agree with everything he stands for but we sure need the research.

Do be published in a peer reviewed journal demonstrates competence in
the field. You can attack the association but not his peer reviewed
journal articles. I have mixed feelings about animal testing. Much of
it is abusive, but I personally think there is value, but many centers
treat animals with abuse. This has been demonstrated repeated.

I also strongly object to much of Peta's tactics.

I disagree strongly with any stands supporting violence. But don't you
want to know about the research on meat on the digestive tract, milk and
osteoporosis, meat and cancer and similar research? There is no doubt
meat has no fiber.

I'm a part time musician and play every year for the American Heart
Association Dinner. They serve roast beef and cheese cake, and look at
me as bizarre for requesting vegetarian alternatives.

This is a Vegan News group. It attracts sick trolls that want to attack
those that choose a life style. I guess I would like to improve my
kill file in netscape. I seek advise.

Yes, eating a healthier meat diet and exercise would improve health
compared to typical amounts. Exercise is paramount regardless of diet.
No arguments. I want aggressive research. He's doing it.
If you want to argue his findings do so. His peers are best equipped to
do so. His articles must pass peer reviews for publication. Most are
on nutrition.

I will not be chased away from a Vegan news group. If there is a
legitimate discussion, against my position I welcome it. I will attempt
to ignore personal attacks.

I happen to choose a physician with a graduate nutritionist degree and
an MD and he was appalled by the lack of nutrition in medical school.

We also know phytochemicals are essential, yet how many doctors are
recommending them?

I see you cowards ignore the fact that he is well published in peer
reviewed medical journals.

Beach Runner wrote:

>
>
> Beach Runner wrote:
>
>> And cares about Animal rights. Are you published in so many peer
>> reviewed papers. (Yes, there are popular press articles mixed in.)
>>
>> I would prefer a doctor that cares about life.
>>
>> # Barnard ND, Scialli, Turner-McGrievy GM, Lanou AJ. Acceptability of
>> a very-low-fat, vegan diet compares favorably to a more moderate
>> low-fat diet in a randomized, controlled trial. J Cardiopulm Rehab
>> 2004;24:229-35.
>> # Turner-McGrievy GM, Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Lanou AJ. Effects of a
>> low-fat, vegan diet and a Step II diet on macro- and micronutrient
>> intakes in overweight, postmenopausal women. Nutrition 2004;20:738-46.
>> # Berkow S, Barnard ND. Blood pressure regulation and vegetarian
>> diets. Nutr Rev 2004, in press.
>> # Lanou A, Barnard ND, Berkow S. Calcium, dairy products, and bone
>> health in children and young adults: A re-evaluation of the evidence.
>> Pediatrics 2004, in press.
>> # Jenkins DJA, Kendall CWC, Marchie A, Jenkins AL, Augustin LSA,
>> Ludwig DS,Barnard ND, Anderson JW. Type 2 diabetes and the vegetarian
>> diet. Am J Clin Nutr 2003, in press.
>> # Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Turner-McGrievy G, Lanou AJ. Acceptability
>> of a low-fat, vegan diet compares favorably to a Step II diet in a
>> randomized, controlled trial. (Abstract) Diabetes 2003; American
>> Diabetes Association 63rd Scientific Sessions Abstract Book, in press.
>> # Barnard ND. Toxicity testing in the development of anticancer drugs.
>> Lancet Oncol 2002;3:440–1.
>> # Keller JL, Lanou AJ, Barnard ND. The consumer cost of calcium from
>> food and supplements. J Am Dietetic Asso 2002;102:1669–71.
>> # Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Bobela S. The current use of estrogens for
>> growth-suppressant therapy in adolescent girls. J Ped Adol Gynecol
>> 2002;15:23–6.
>> # Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Hurlock D, Bertron P. Diet and sex-hormone
>> binding globulin, dysmenorrhea, and premenstrual symptoms. Obstet
>> Gynecol 2000;95:245-50.
>> # Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Bertron P, Hurlock D, Edmonds K, Talev L.
>> Effectiveness of a low-fat, vegetarian diet in altering serum lipids
>> in healthy premenopausal women. Am J Cardiol 2000;85:969-72.
>> # Bertron P, Barnard ND, Mills M. Racial bias in federal nutrition
>> policy, part II: weak guidelines take a disproportionate toll. J Natl
>> Med Assoc 1999; 91: 201–08.
>> # Barnard ND. Study design of an investigation of lactose
>> maldigestion. Am J Clin Nutr 1999, 69: 1287–92.
>> # Nicholson AS, Sklar M, Barnard ND, Gore S, Sullivan R, Browning S.
>> Toward improved management of NIDDM: a randomized, controlled, pilot
>> intervention using a low-fat, vegetarian diet. Prev Med 1999;29:87–91.
>> # Bertron P, Barnard ND, Mills M. Racial bias in federal nutrition
>> policy, part I: the public health implications of variations in
>> lactase persistence. J Natl Med Assoc 1999;91:151–157.
>> # Barnard ND, Kaufman SR. Animal research is wasteful and misleading.
>> Sci Am 1997;276:64–6.
>> # Ou****er JL, Nicholson A, Barnard ND. Dairy products and breast
>> cancer: the IGF-I, estrogen, and bGH hypothesis. Med Hypoth
>> 1997;48:453–61.
>> # Haapapuro ER, Barnard ND, Simon M. Animal waste used as livestock
>> feed: dangers to human health. Prev Med 1997;26:599–602.
>> # Barnard ND, Nicholson A. Beliefs about dietary factors in breast
>> cancer prevention among American women, 1991 to 1995. Prev Med
>> 1997;26:109–13.
>> # Wolfe M, Barnard ND, McCaffrey SM. Animal laboratory exercises in
>> medical school curricula. ATLA 1996;24, 953–6.
>> # Barnard ND, Akhtar A, Nicholson A. Factors that facilitate
>> compliance to lower fat intake. Arch Fam Med 1995;4:153–8.
>> # Barnard ND, Nicholson A, Howard JL. The medical costs attributable
>> to meat consumption. Prev Med 1995;24:646–55.
>> # Barnard ND. Human experiments: redrawing ethical boundaries. Appl
>> Clin Trials 1994;3:34–6.
>> # Butrum R, Barnard ND, Campbell TC, et al. Diet, nutrition and cancer
>> in health care reform: a position paper of the American Institute for
>> Cancer Research. American Institute for Cancer Research, Washington,
>> DC, August 1994.
>
>
> I notice that none of the bigots that say Bernard has no qualifications
> in the field ignore this list of peer reviewed articles.
>
> Yes, he's a believer in Animal Rights. I'm more concerned about a Vice
> President that shoots caged birds than a doctor, with an adjunct Medical
> Teaching Position, that cares about life. There is real research in
> professional journals.
>
> I don't agree with everything he stands for but we sure need the research.
>
> Do be published in a peer reviewed journal demonstrates competence in
> the field. You can attack the association but not his peer reviewed
> journal articles. I have mixed feelings about animal testing. Much of
> it is abusive, but I personally think there is value, but many centers
> treat animals with abuse. This has been demonstrated repeated.
>
> I also strongly object to much of Peta's tactics.
>
> I disagree strongly with any stands supporting violence. But don't you
> want to know about the research on meat on the digestive tract, milk and
> osteoporosis, meat and cancer and similar research? There is no doubt
> meat has no fiber.
>
> I'm a part time musician and play every year for the American Heart
> Association Dinner. They serve roast beef and cheese cake, and look at
> me as bizarre for requesting vegetarian alternatives.
>
> This is a Vegan News group. It attracts sick trolls that want to attack
> those that choose a life style. I guess I would like to improve my
> kill file in netscape. I seek advise.
>
> Yes, eating a healthier meat diet and exercise would improve health
> compared to typical amounts. Exercise is paramount regardless of diet.
> No arguments. I want aggressive research. He's doing it.
> If you want to argue his findings do so. His peers are best equipped to
> do so. His articles must pass peer reviews for publication. Most are
> on nutrition.
>
> I will not be chased away from a Vegan news group. If there is a
> legitimate discussion, against my position I welcome it. I will attempt
> to ignore personal attacks.
>
> I happen to choose a physician with a graduate nutritionist degree and
> an MD and he was appalled by the lack of nutrition in medical school.
>
> We also know phytochemicals are essential, yet how many doctors are
> recommending them?
>
>
>

"Beach Runner" > wrote in message
m...
>I see you cowards ignore the fact that he is well published in
>peer reviewed medical journals.
=========================
I see that the cowards like you fail to discuss the massive
unnecessary death and suffering caused by his, and your
lifestyles. Why is that hypocrite?



>
> Beach Runner wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Beach Runner wrote:
>>
>>> And cares about Animal rights. Are you published in so many
>>> peer reviewed papers. (Yes, there are popular press articles
>>> mixed in.)
>>>
>>> I would prefer a doctor that cares about life.
>>>
>>> # Barnard ND, Scialli, Turner-McGrievy GM, Lanou AJ.
>>> Acceptability of a very-low-fat, vegan diet compares
>>> favorably to a more moderate low-fat diet in a randomized,
>>> controlled trial. J Cardiopulm Rehab 2004;24:229-35.
>>> # Turner-McGrievy GM, Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Lanou AJ.
>>> Effects of a low-fat, vegan diet and a Step II diet on macro-
>>> and micronutrient intakes in overweight, postmenopausal
>>> women. Nutrition 2004;20:738-46.
>>> # Berkow S, Barnard ND. Blood pressure regulation and
>>> vegetarian diets. Nutr Rev 2004, in press.
>>> # Lanou A, Barnard ND, Berkow S. Calcium, dairy products, and
>>> bone health in children and young adults: A re-evaluation of
>>> the evidence. Pediatrics 2004, in press.
>>> # Jenkins DJA, Kendall CWC, Marchie A, Jenkins AL, Augustin
>>> LSA, Ludwig DS,Barnard ND, Anderson JW. Type 2 diabetes and
>>> the vegetarian diet. Am J Clin Nutr 2003, in press.
>>> # Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Turner-McGrievy G, Lanou AJ.
>>> Acceptability of a low-fat, vegan diet compares favorably to
>>> a Step II diet in a randomized, controlled trial. (Abstract)
>>> Diabetes 2003; American Diabetes Association 63rd Scientific
>>> Sessions Abstract Book, in press.
>>> # Barnard ND. Toxicity testing in the development of
>>> anticancer drugs. Lancet Oncol 2002;3:440–1.
>>> # Keller JL, Lanou AJ, Barnard ND. The consumer cost of
>>> calcium from food and supplements. J Am Dietetic Asso
>>> 2002;102:1669–71.
>>> # Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Bobela S. The current use of
>>> estrogens for growth-suppressant therapy in adolescent girls.
>>> J Ped Adol Gynecol 2002;15:23–6.
>>> # Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Hurlock D, Bertron P. Diet and
>>> sex-hormone binding globulin, dysmenorrhea, and premenstrual
>>> symptoms. Obstet Gynecol 2000;95:245-50.
>>> # Barnard ND, Scialli AR, Bertron P, Hurlock D, Edmonds K,
>>> Talev L. Effectiveness of a low-fat, vegetarian diet in
>>> altering serum lipids in healthy premenopausal women. Am J
>>> Cardiol 2000;85:969-72.
>>> # Bertron P, Barnard ND, Mills M. Racial bias in federal
>>> nutrition policy, part II: weak guidelines take a
>>> disproportionate toll. J Natl Med Assoc 1999; 91: 201–08.
>>> # Barnard ND. Study design of an investigation of lactose
>>> maldigestion. Am J Clin Nutr 1999, 69: 1287–92.
>>> # Nicholson AS, Sklar M, Barnard ND, Gore S, Sullivan R,
>>> Browning S. Toward improved management of NIDDM: a
>>> randomized, controlled, pilot intervention using a low-fat,
>>> vegetarian diet. Prev Med 1999;29:87–91.
>>> # Bertron P, Barnard ND, Mills M. Racial bias in federal
>>> nutrition policy, part I: the public health implications of
>>> variations in lactase persistence. J Natl Med Assoc
>>> 1999;91:151–157.
>>> # Barnard ND, Kaufman SR. Animal research is wasteful and
>>> misleading. Sci Am 1997;276:64–6.
>>> # Ou****er JL, Nicholson A, Barnard ND. Dairy products and
>>> breast cancer: the IGF-I, estrogen, and bGH hypothesis. Med
>>> Hypoth 1997;48:453–61.
>>> # Haapapuro ER, Barnard ND, Simon M. Animal waste used as
>>> livestock feed: dangers to human health. Prev Med
>>> 1997;26:599–602.
>>> # Barnard ND, Nicholson A. Beliefs about dietary factors in
>>> breast cancer prevention among American women, 1991 to 1995.
>>> Prev Med 1997;26:109–13.
>>> # Wolfe M, Barnard ND, McCaffrey SM. Animal laboratory
>>> exercises in medical school curricula. ATLA 1996;24, 953–6.
>>> # Barnard ND, Akhtar A, Nicholson A. Factors that facilitate
>>> compliance to lower fat intake. Arch Fam Med 1995;4:153–8.
>>> # Barnard ND, Nicholson A, Howard JL. The medical costs
>>> attributable to meat consumption. Prev Med 1995;24:646–55.
>>> # Barnard ND. Human experiments: redrawing ethical
>>> boundaries. Appl Clin Trials 1994;3:34–6.
>>> # Butrum R, Barnard ND, Campbell TC, et al. Diet, nutrition
>>> and cancer in health care reform: a position paper of the
>>> American Institute for Cancer Research. American Institute
>>> for Cancer Research, Washington, DC, August 1994.
>>
>>
>> I notice that none of the bigots that say Bernard has no
>> qualifications in the field ignore this list of peer reviewed
>> articles.
>>
>> Yes, he's a believer in Animal Rights. I'm more concerned
>> about a Vice President that shoots caged birds than a doctor,
>> with an adjunct Medical Teaching Position, that cares about
>> life. There is real research in professional journals.
>>
>> I don't agree with everything he stands for but we sure need
>> the research.
>>
>> Do be published in a peer reviewed journal demonstrates
>> competence in the field. You can attack the association but
>> not his peer reviewed journal articles. I have mixed feelings
>> about animal testing. Much of it is abusive, but I personally
>> think there is value, but many centers treat animals with
>> abuse. This has been demonstrated repeated.
>>
>> I also strongly object to much of Peta's tactics.
>>
>> I disagree strongly with any stands supporting violence. But
>> don't you want to know about the research on meat on the
>> digestive tract, milk and
>> osteoporosis, meat and cancer and similar research? There is
>> no doubt meat has no fiber.
>>
>> I'm a part time musician and play every year for the American
>> Heart Association Dinner. They serve roast beef and cheese
>> cake, and look at me as bizarre for requesting vegetarian
>> alternatives.
>>
>> This is a Vegan News group. It attracts sick trolls that want
>> to attack those that choose a life style. I guess I would
>> like to improve my kill file in netscape. I seek advise.
>>
>> Yes, eating a healthier meat diet and exercise would improve
>> health compared to typical amounts. Exercise is paramount
>> regardless of diet. No arguments. I want aggressive research.
>> He's doing it.
>> If you want to argue his findings do so. His peers are best
>> equipped to do so. His articles must pass peer reviews for
>> publication. Most are on nutrition.
>>
>> I will not be chased away from a Vegan news group. If there
>> is a legitimate discussion, against my position I welcome it.
>> I will attempt to ignore personal attacks.
>>
>> I happen to choose a physician with a graduate nutritionist
>> degree and an MD and he was appalled by the lack of nutrition
>> in medical school.
>>
>> We also know phytochemicals are essential, yet how many
>> doctors are recommending them?
>>
>>

I don't hate the man. It just seems rather convinient that his opinions
on nutrition
condemn exactly the same foods as his opinions on ethics.

Dave wrote:

> I don't hate the man. It just seems rather convinient that his opinions
> on nutrition
> condemn exactly the same foods as his opinions on ethics.
>
Yet they are published in peer reviewed journals, subject to the highest
level of criticism. He also write to reach in the popular press.

This is a vegan news group.

Beach Runner wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>
> > I don't hate the man. It just seems rather convinient that his opinions
> > on nutrition
> > condemn exactly the same foods as his opinions on ethics.
> >
> Yet they are published in peer reviewed journals, subject to the highest
> level of criticism.

Be that as it may, his views on nutrition are not entirely mainstream
and just happen to mesh perfectly with his ethics.

> He also write to reach in the popular press.
>
> This is a vegan news group.

Does that mean sceptics are unwelcome?

Dave wrote:

> Beach Runner wrote:
>
>>Dave wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I don't hate the man. It just seems rather convinient that his opinions
>>>on nutrition
>>>condemn exactly the same foods as his opinions on ethics.
>>>
>>
>>Yet they are published in peer reviewed journals, subject to the highest
>>level of criticism.
>
>
> Be that as it may, his views on nutrition are not entirely mainstream
> and just happen to mesh perfectly with his ethics.

He obviously is inspired. That doesn't negate the integrity of his
work, or make it not worth considering. Just as it has been published
with other world class authors and researchers. Yes, he also writes in
the free press.

>
>
>>He also write to reach in the popular press.
>>
>>This is a vegan news group.
>
>
> Does that mean sceptics are unwelcome?
>
Skepticism is always healthy and valuable.

Beach Runner wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>
> > Beach Runner wrote:
> >
> >>Dave wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I don't hate the man. It just seems rather convinient that his opinions
> >>>on nutrition
> >>>condemn exactly the same foods as his opinions on ethics.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Yet they are published in peer reviewed journals, subject to the highest
> >>level of criticism.
> >
> >
> > Be that as it may, his views on nutrition are not entirely mainstream
> > and just happen to mesh perfectly with his ethics.
>
> He obviously is inspired. That doesn't negate the integrity of his
> work, or make it not worth considering.

His work may be worth considering if your career is in nutrition.
As a layman it is harder for me to determine the quality of a study
and it makes more sense to base my nutrition on a variety of sources
that don't give a one-sided account in favour of a diet they believe
people should follow on ethical, rather than health grounds.

I have read various leaflets on nutrition published by AR organisations
and they almost invariably leave the impression that they are more
concerned with persuading people to go vegan than promoting good health
for existing vegans. The UK vegan society website is the only exception
I can think of.

> Just as it has been published
> with other world class authors and researchers. Yes, he also writes in
> the free press.
>
> >
> >
> >>He also write to reach in the popular press.
> >>
> >>This is a vegan news group.
> >
> >
> > Does that mean sceptics are unwelcome?
> >
> Skepticism is always healthy and valuable.

Most but not all of the food I eat is vegan and I am opposed to the
way the majority of animals are farmed in the Western world. For people
without special dietary needs I don't believe it is necessary to
consume any animal produce but it seems to me that many vegans read
AR propoganda rather uncritically.

Beach Runner wrote:
>>>> I don't hate the man. It just seems rather convinient that his opinions
>>>> on nutrition
>>>> condemn exactly the same foods as his opinions on ethics.
>>>>
>>> Yet they are published in peer reviewed journals, subject to the highest
>>> level of criticism.
>>
>> Be that as it may, his views on nutrition are not entirely mainstream
>> and just happen to mesh perfectly with his ethics.
>
> He obviously is inspired.

Inspired by what or whom?

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>> Does that mean sceptics are unwelcome?
>
> Skepticism is always healthy and valuable.

Then why have you urged me and others to stop posting here and leave
this group for true believers like you?