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![]() dh@. wrote: > On 14 Jan 2006 05:50:01 -0800, wrote: > > >We do not eat meat for the same reason cited by you. We eat eggs from > >cage free chickens > > More on the chicken thing. Since most broiler chickens have decent > but short lives, Unlikely. > eating chicken most often contributes to decent lives for > chickens, along with the associated cds. What does the term "food conversion ratio" mean to you dhld? > Eating meat substitutes like the > following: > > Worthington Meatless Chicken, Turkey, Ham, Vegetarian Hot Dogs > and Prosage Patties > > Lightlife Chicken Nuggets and Chicken Patties > > Boca Meatless Chick'n and Breakfast Patties > > Quorn Meat-Free Patties, Nuggets and Cutlets > > Morningstar Farms Garden Veggie Patties, Chick Patties, > Chik'n Nuggets, Corn Dogs > > contributes to cds associated with raising chickens, plus those > associated with the veggies in the products, plus it contributes > to the battery method of raising hens Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the products on those grounds. > since those products all > contain egg whites. Those "veg*n" products come out on the > less ethical side of real chicken, imo. |
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****wit David Harrison lied:
> On 14 Jan 2006 05:50:01 -0800, wrote: > > >>We do not eat meat for the same reason cited by you. We eat eggs from >>cage free chickens > > > More on the chicken thing. Since most broiler chickens have decent > but short lives, Short for sure. Your opinion about their lives being "decent" is meaningless. > eating chicken most often contributes to decent lives for > chickens, Causing chickens or any other livestock animals to live is not doing something nice for them. |
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On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote:
> >dh@. wrote: >> On 14 Jan 2006 05:50:01 -0800, wrote: >> >> >We do not eat meat for the same reason cited by you. We eat eggs from >> >cage free chickens >> >> More on the chicken thing. Since most broiler chickens have decent >> but short lives, > >Unlikely. > >> eating chicken most often contributes to decent lives for >> chickens, along with the associated cds. > >What does the term "food conversion ratio" mean to you dhld? Little or nothing in regards to whether or not it's cruel to animals to raise them for food, which is what I consider to be the main issue. >> Eating meat substitutes like the >> following: >> >> Worthington Meatless Chicken, Turkey, Ham, Vegetarian Hot Dogs >> and Prosage Patties >> >> Lightlife Chicken Nuggets and Chicken Patties >> >> Boca Meatless Chick'n and Breakfast Patties >> >> Quorn Meat-Free Patties, Nuggets and Cutlets >> >> Morningstar Farms Garden Veggie Patties, Chick Patties, >> Chik'n Nuggets, Corn Dogs >> >> contributes to cds associated with raising chickens, plus those >> associated with the veggies in the products, plus it contributes >> to the battery method of raising hens > >Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the >products on those grounds. Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals raised to eat. >> since those products all >> contain egg whites. Those "veg*n" products come out on the >> less ethical side of real chicken, imo. |
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****wit David Harrison lied:
> On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: > > > > >****wit David Harrison lied: > >> On 14 Jan 2006 05:50:01 -0800, wrote: > >> > >> >We do not eat meat for the same reason cited by you. We eat eggs from > >> >cage free chickens > >> > >> More on the chicken thing. Since most broiler chickens have decent > >> but short lives, > > > >Unlikely. > > > >> eating chicken most often contributes to decent lives for > >> chickens, along with the associated cds. > > > >What does the term "food conversion ratio" mean to you dhld? > > Little or nothing in regards to whether or not it's cruel to animals to > raise them for food, which is what I consider to be the main issue. No, the main issue is WHY do you stupidly obsess on whether or not livestock continue to exist, and pretend to make it appear that you are concerned on "their" behalf? > >> Eating meat substitutes like the > >> following: > >> > >> Worthington Meatless Chicken, Turkey, Ham, Vegetarian Hot Dogs > >> and Prosage Patties > >> > >> Lightlife Chicken Nuggets and Chicken Patties > >> > >> Boca Meatless Chick'n and Breakfast Patties > >> > >> Quorn Meat-Free Patties, Nuggets and Cutlets > >> > >> Morningstar Farms Garden Veggie Patties, Chick Patties, > >> Chik'n Nuggets, Corn Dogs > >> > >> contributes to cds associated with raising chickens, plus those > >> associated with the veggies in the products, plus it contributes > >> to the battery method of raising hens > > > >Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the > >products on those grounds. > > Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products > in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals > raised to eat. YOU don't choose foods in order to contribute to (bleagh) "decent lives" for animals. |
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![]() <dh@.> wrote > On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: >>Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the >>products on those grounds. > > Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products > in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals > raised to eat. I would hope not. Nobody in their right mind thinks like that. |
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"Dave" > in oups.com:
>> Eating meat substitutes like the following: >> >> Worthington Meatless Chicken, Turkey, Ham, Vegetarian Hot Dogs >> and Prosage Patties >> >> Lightlife Chicken Nuggets and Chicken Patties >> >> Boca Meatless Chick'n and Breakfast Patties >> >> Quorn Meat-Free Patties, Nuggets and Cutlets >> >> Morningstar Farms Garden Veggie Patties, Chick Patties, >> Chik'n Nuggets, Corn Dogs >> >> contributes to cds associated with raising chickens, plus those >> associated with the veggies in the products, plus it contributes to >> the battery method of raising hens > > Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the > products on those grounds. i doubt many established v's eat any of those very often. i've had some of those boca things about 5 to 8 times in my whole life (prepared/given to me by a nonveggie). i've been veggie since the early 80's -- only a god with a sense of cruel irony would wait until the religiots were behind the door before passing out (i.e., distributing :-) ) the brains. http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...8_20041028.htm |
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![]() dh@. wrote: > On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: > > > > >dh@. wrote: > >> On 14 Jan 2006 05:50:01 -0800, wrote: > >> > >> >We do not eat meat for the same reason cited by you. We eat eggs from > >> >cage free chickens > >> > >> More on the chicken thing. Since most broiler chickens have decent > >> but short lives, > > > >Unlikely. > > > >> eating chicken most often contributes to decent lives for > >> chickens, along with the associated cds. > > > >What does the term "food conversion ratio" mean to you dhld? > > Little or nothing When you consume a broiler chicken you also indirectly consume all the crops grown to feed that chicken. > in regards to whether or not it's cruel to animals to > raise them for food, I believe modern industrial methods of animal so-called farming are cruel. I don't believe raising animals for food is cruel per-se. > which is what I consider to be the main issue. It is one of the main issues. Environmental impact is the other. > > >> Eating meat substitutes like the > >> following: > >> > >> Worthington Meatless Chicken, Turkey, Ham, Vegetarian Hot Dogs > >> and Prosage Patties > >> > >> Lightlife Chicken Nuggets and Chicken Patties > >> > >> Boca Meatless Chick'n and Breakfast Patties > >> > >> Quorn Meat-Free Patties, Nuggets and Cutlets > >> > >> Morningstar Farms Garden Veggie Patties, Chick Patties, > >> Chik'n Nuggets, Corn Dogs > >> > >> contributes to cds associated with raising chickens, plus those > >> associated with the veggies in the products, plus it contributes > >> to the battery method of raising hens > > > >Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the > >products on those grounds. > > Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products > in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals > raised to eat. With all that spinning you do you must spend your life feeling dizzy. > >> since those products all > >> contain egg whites. Those "veg*n" products come out on the > >> less ethical side of real chicken, imo. |
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:30:18 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote:
> ><dh@.> wrote >> On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: > >>>Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the >>>products on those grounds. >> >> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products >> in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals >> raised to eat. > >I would hope not. Nobody in their right mind thinks like that. Some of us do, which is why we buy cage free eggs, and why growers can profit from making them available. You're just too stupid to understand. |
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dh@. wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:30:18 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: > > >><dh@.> wrote >> >>>On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: >> >>>>Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the >>>>products on those grounds. >>> >>> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products >>>in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals >>>raised to eat. >> >>I would hope not. Nobody in their right mind thinks like that. > > > Some of us do, You don't give a shit about quality of life for livestock, ****wit. ALL you care about is that the livestock exist: Yes, it is the unborn animals that will be born if nothing prevents that from happening, that would experience the loss if their lives are prevented. ****wit - 08/01/2000 What gives you the right to want to deprive them [unborn animals] of having what life they could have? ****wit - 10/12/2001 |
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On 17 Jan 2006 08:58:34 -0800, "Dave" > wrote:
> >dh@. wrote: >> On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: >> >> > >> >dh@. wrote: >> >> On 14 Jan 2006 05:50:01 -0800, wrote: >> >> >> >> >We do not eat meat for the same reason cited by you. We eat eggs from >> >> >cage free chickens >> >> >> >> More on the chicken thing. Since most broiler chickens have decent >> >> but short lives, >> > >> >Unlikely. >> > >> >> eating chicken most often contributes to decent lives for >> >> chickens, along with the associated cds. >> > >> >What does the term "food conversion ratio" mean to you dhld? >> >> Little or nothing > >When you consume a broiler chicken you also indirectly consume all >the crops grown to feed that chicken. > >> in regards to whether or not it's cruel to animals to >> raise them for food, > >I believe modern industrial methods of animal so-called farming >are cruel. Some are. Some are not. >I don't believe raising animals for food is cruel per-se. Sometimes they benefit. Sometimes they don't. IF you are actually able to understand that fact, you are probably the only other person besides myself who can. Even IF you are able to understand the fact, as yet you have shown no sign of being able to understand how it's significant. Neither has anyone else. >> which is what I consider to be the main issue. > >It is one of the main issues. Environmental impact is the other. I've often asked which wildlife and why. No one can answer. It's apparently a secret "answer" that no one can explain or even try to explain. >> >> Eating meat substitutes like the >> >> following: >> >> >> >> Worthington Meatless Chicken, Turkey, Ham, Vegetarian Hot Dogs >> >> and Prosage Patties >> >> >> >> Lightlife Chicken Nuggets and Chicken Patties >> >> >> >> Boca Meatless Chick'n and Breakfast Patties >> >> >> >> Quorn Meat-Free Patties, Nuggets and Cutlets >> >> >> >> Morningstar Farms Garden Veggie Patties, Chick Patties, >> >> Chik'n Nuggets, Corn Dogs >> >> >> >> contributes to cds associated with raising chickens, plus those >> >> associated with the veggies in the products, plus it contributes >> >> to the battery method of raising hens >> > >> >Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the >> >products on those grounds. >> >> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products >> in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals >> raised to eat. > >With all that spinning you do Like what, exactly? |
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****wit David Harrison, hick in Buford, GA, lied:
> On 17 Jan 2006 08:58:34 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: > > >>****wit David Harrison, hick in Buford, GA, lied: >> >>>On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: >>> >>> >>>>****wit David Harrison, hick in Buford, GA, lied: >>>> >>>>>On 14 Jan 2006 05:50:01 -0800, wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>We do not eat meat for the same reason cited by you. We eat eggs from >>>>>>cage free chickens >>>>> >>>>> More on the chicken thing. Since most broiler chickens have decent >>>>>but short lives, >>>> >>>>Unlikely. >>>> >>>> >>>>>eating chicken most often contributes to decent lives for >>>>>chickens, along with the associated cds. >>>> >>>>What does the term "food conversion ratio" mean to you dhld? >>> >>> Little or nothing >> >>When you consume a broiler chicken you also indirectly consume all >>the crops grown to feed that chicken. >> >> >>>in regards to whether or not it's cruel to animals to >>>raise them for food, >> >>I believe modern industrial methods of animal so-called farming >>are cruel. > > > Some are. Some are not. Not that you care, ****wit. ALL you care about is that livestock exist. >>I don't believe raising animals for food is cruel per-se. ****wit does, Dave. He believes killing animals for human consumption requires some kind of mitigation. > > > Sometimes they benefit. Sometimes they don't NO animals "benefit" from coming into existence, ****wit. >>>which is what I consider to be the main issue. >> >>It is one of the main issues. Environmental impact is the other. > > > I've often asked which wildlife and why. No one can answer. No one will *bother* to answer, ****wit, because it isn't a serious question; it's just another of your ****witted attempts to waste people's time, and for you to avoid answering the *real* question: WHY are you so obsessed with livestock continuing to exist? Why won't you answer the question, ****wit? >>>>>Eating meat substitutes like the >>>>>following: >>>>> >>>>>Worthington Meatless Chicken, Turkey, Ham, Vegetarian Hot Dogs >>>>>and Prosage Patties >>>>> >>>>>Lightlife Chicken Nuggets and Chicken Patties >>>>> >>>>>Boca Meatless Chick'n and Breakfast Patties >>>>> >>>>>Quorn Meat-Free Patties, Nuggets and Cutlets >>>>> >>>>>Morningstar Farms Garden Veggie Patties, Chick Patties, >>>>>Chik'n Nuggets, Corn Dogs >>>>> >>>>>contributes to cds associated with raising chickens, plus those >>>>>associated with the veggies in the products, plus it contributes >>>>>to the battery method of raising hens >>>> >>>>Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the >>>>products on those grounds. >>> >>> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products >>>in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals >>>raised to eat. >> >>With all that spinning you do > > > Like what, exactly? Your "animals' 'getting to experience life' is a 'benefit'" spinning, ****WIT - the spinning that I don't let you get away with. |
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This is why it is a waste to argue with Leif Erikson the shit eating
meat industry shill - just make them eat their dirt - they love it ![]() gutless punk and shitbag Leif Erikson wrote: Who cares what this asshole Leif Erikson wrote ![]() |
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![]() <dh@.> wrote > On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:30:18 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: > >> >><dh@.> wrote >>> On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: >> >>>>Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the >>>>products on those grounds. >>> >>> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products >>> in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals >>> raised to eat. >> >>I would hope not. Nobody in their right mind thinks like that. > > Some of us do, which is why we buy cage free eggs, and > why growers can profit from making them available. Stop playing games ****wit. People choose to eat free range *instead of* conventionally-produced products because they prefer to support better animal welfare, not because they support animals "getting to experience life". Nobody in their right mind thinks it's better to eat a free-range egg and support a hen "getting to experience life" than to not eat an egg at all. |
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This is why it is a waste to argue with Leif Erikson the shit eating
meat industry shill - just make them eat their dirt - they love it ![]() gutless punk and shitbag Leif Erikson wrote: > Nobody likes me because I **** my dead grandmother up the ass. This Leif Erikson is one sick mother, oops garndmother ****er ![]() |
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This is why it is a waste to argue with Leif Erikson the shit eating
meat industry shill - just make them eat their dirt - they love it ![]() gutless punk and shitbag Leif Erikson wrote: > Nobody likes me because I **** my dead grandmother up the ass. This Leif Erikson is one sick mother, oops garndmother ****er ![]() |
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This is why it is a waste to argue with Leif Erikson the shit eating
meat industry shill - just make them eat their dirt - they love it ![]() gutless punk and shitbag Leif Erikson wrote: > Nobody likes me because I **** my dead grandmother up the ass. This Leif Erikson is one sick mother, oops and grandmother ****er ![]() |
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:42:59 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote:
> ><dh@.> wrote >> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:30:18 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: >> >>> >>><dh@.> wrote >>>> On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: >>> >>>>>Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the >>>>>products on those grounds. >>>> >>>> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products >>>> in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals >>>> raised to eat. >>> >>>I would hope not. Nobody in their right mind thinks like that. >> >> Some of us do, which is why we buy cage free eggs, and >> why growers can profit from making them available. > >Stop playing games ****wit. People choose to eat free range *instead of* >conventionally-produced products because they prefer to support better >animal welfare, not because they support animals "getting to experience >life". Nobody in their right mind thinks it's better to eat a free-range egg >and support a hen "getting to experience life" than to not eat an egg at >all. You just aren't really in favor of decent AW, which I've known for years. If you were, you would be in favor of people supporting it even if they never eat an egg at all. You consistently leave me nothing to believe except that you must be an "ara", because even after all of your obvious stupidity I still can't believe you're as stupid as you act. |
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![]() <dh@.> wrote in message ... > On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:42:59 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: > >> >><dh@.> wrote >>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:30:18 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>><dh@.> wrote >>>>> On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: >>>> >>>>>>Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the >>>>>>products on those grounds. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products >>>>> in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals >>>>> raised to eat. >>>> >>>>I would hope not. Nobody in their right mind thinks like that. >>> >>> Some of us do, which is why we buy cage free eggs, and >>> why growers can profit from making them available. >> >>Stop playing games ****wit. People choose to eat free range *instead of* >>conventionally-produced products because they prefer to support better >>animal welfare, not because they support animals "getting to experience >>life". Nobody in their right mind thinks it's better to eat a free-range >>egg >>and support a hen "getting to experience life" than to not eat an egg at >>all. > > You just aren't really in favor of decent AW, which I've known for > years. If you were, you would be in favor of people supporting it even > if they never eat an egg at all. Now you're equivocating on the meaning of "support". One may give verbal, financial or moral support to animal welfare causes, and never consume animal products. > You consistently leave me nothing to I consistently leave you nothing to do but equivocate and dodge the issue of your floundering position. |
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![]() dh@. wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:42:59 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: > > > > ><dh@.> wrote > >> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:30:18 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>><dh@.> wrote > >>>> On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: > >>> > >>>>>Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the > >>>>>products on those grounds. > >>>> > >>>> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products > >>>> in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals > >>>> raised to eat. > >>> > >>>I would hope not. Nobody in their right mind thinks like that. > >> > >> Some of us do, which is why we buy cage free eggs, and > >> why growers can profit from making them available. > > > >Stop playing games ****wit. People choose to eat free range *instead of* > >conventionally-produced products because they prefer to support better > >animal welfare, not because they support animals "getting to experience > >life". Nobody in their right mind thinks it's better to eat a free-range egg > >and support a hen "getting to experience life" than to not eat an egg at > >all. > > You just aren't really in favor of decent AW, which I've known for > years. If you were, you would be in favor of people supporting it even > if they never eat an egg at all. You consistently leave me nothing to > believe except that you must be an "ara", because even after all of > your obvious stupidity I still can't believe you're as stupid as you act. Believe it brother. It be sad but it also be true. |
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:33:32 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote:
>I consistently leave you nothing Agreed. |
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On 18 Jan 2006 17:10:44 -0800, "Leif's Smarter Brother" > wrote:
> >dh@. wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:42:59 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: >> >> > >> ><dh@.> wrote >> >> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:30:18 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>><dh@.> wrote >> >>>> On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>>Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the >> >>>>>products on those grounds. >> >>>> >> >>>> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products >> >>>> in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals >> >>>> raised to eat. >> >>> >> >>>I would hope not. Nobody in their right mind thinks like that. >> >> >> >> Some of us do, which is why we buy cage free eggs, and >> >> why growers can profit from making them available. >> > >> >Stop playing games ****wit. People choose to eat free range *instead of* >> >conventionally-produced products because they prefer to support better >> >animal welfare, not because they support animals "getting to experience >> >life". Nobody in their right mind thinks it's better to eat a free-range egg >> >and support a hen "getting to experience life" than to not eat an egg at >> >all. >> >> You just aren't really in favor of decent AW, which I've known for >> years. If you were, you would be in favor of people supporting it even >> if they never eat an egg at all. You consistently leave me nothing to >> believe except that you must be an "ara", because even after all of >> your obvious stupidity I still can't believe you're as stupid as you act. > > > >Believe it brother. It be sad but it also be true. Maybe you're right man. I didn't want to believe it, and still find it very hard, but maybe... In his case it's beyond sad though. If he's what he pretends to be, it's truly a wonder that he can use the Internet at all, imo. |
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****wit David Harrison lied:
> On 18 Jan 2006 17:10:44 -0800, "Leif's Smarter Brother" > wrote: > > >>****wit David Harrison lied: >> >>>On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:42:59 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: >>> >>> >>>>****wit David Harrison lied: >>>> >>>>>On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:30:18 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>****wit David Harrison lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the >>>>>>>>products on those grounds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products >>>>>>>in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals >>>>>>>raised to eat. >>>>>> >>>>>>I would hope not. Nobody in their right mind thinks like that. >>>>> >>>>> Some of us do, which is why we buy cage free eggs, and >>>>>why growers can profit from making them available. >>>> >>>>Stop playing games ****wit. People choose to eat free range *instead of* >>>>conventionally-produced products because they prefer to support better >>>>animal welfare, not because they support animals "getting to experience >>>>life". Nobody in their right mind thinks it's better to eat a free-range egg >>>>and support a hen "getting to experience life" than to not eat an egg at >>>>all. >>> >>> You just aren't really in favor of decent AW He is. You're lying, and you know you're lying. >> >> >>Believe it brother. It be sad but it also be true. > > > Maybe you're right man. He's wrong. You and pantywaist homo ronnie hamilton are liars. How many consecutive nights did you **** ronnie up the ass on your shitty leaky houseboat, Davey? |
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![]() <dh@.> wrote in message ... > On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:33:32 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: > > >I consistently leave you nothing to do but equivocate and dodge the issue > >of > >your floundering position. > > Agreed. Good, but I left out snip and run. |
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![]() Leif Erikson wrote: > ****wit David Harrison lied: > > > On 18 Jan 2006 17:10:44 -0800, "Leif's Smarter Brother" > wrote: > > > > > >>****wit David Harrison lied: > >> > >>>On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:42:59 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>****wit David Harrison lied: > >>>> > >>>>>On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:30:18 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>****wit David Harrison lied: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the > >>>>>>>>products on those grounds. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products > >>>>>>>in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals > >>>>>>>raised to eat. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I would hope not. Nobody in their right mind thinks like that. > >>>>> > >>>>> Some of us do, which is why we buy cage free eggs, and > >>>>>why growers can profit from making them available. > >>>> > >>>>Stop playing games ****wit. People choose to eat free range *instead of* > >>>>conventionally-produced products because they prefer to support better > >>>>animal welfare, not because they support animals "getting to experience > >>>>life". Nobody in their right mind thinks it's better to eat a free-range egg > >>>>and support a hen "getting to experience life" than to not eat an egg at > >>>>all. > >>> > >>> You just aren't really in favor of decent AW > > He is. You're lying, and you know you're lying. > > > >> > >> > >>Believe it brother. It be sad but it also be true. > > > > > > Maybe you're right man. > > He's wrong. You and pantywaist homo ronnie hamilton > are liars. > > How many consecutive nights did you **** ronnie up the > ass on your shitty leaky houseboat, Davey? LOL!! You're getting all wound up again Goo. Better get an enema going before you ~plop~ off your chair in a foaming-at-the-mouth fit. (as you are prone to do) |
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![]() dh@. wrote: > On 17 Jan 2006 08:58:34 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: > > > > >dh@. wrote: > >> On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >dh@. wrote: > >> >> On 14 Jan 2006 05:50:01 -0800, wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >We do not eat meat for the same reason cited by you. We eat eggs from > >> >> >cage free chickens > >> >> > >> >> More on the chicken thing. Since most broiler chickens have decent > >> >> but short lives, > >> > > >> >Unlikely. > >> > > >> >> eating chicken most often contributes to decent lives for > >> >> chickens, along with the associated cds. > >> > > >> >What does the term "food conversion ratio" mean to you dhld? > >> > >> Little or nothing > > > >When you consume a broiler chicken you also indirectly consume all > >the crops grown to feed that chicken. > > > >> in regards to whether or not it's cruel to animals to > >> raise them for food, > > > >I believe modern industrial methods of animal so-called farming > >are cruel. > > Some are. Some are not. I am not aware of any modern industrial methods of animal so-called farming that are not cruel. Note that grass fed beef is not a modern industrial method. > > >I don't believe raising animals for food is cruel per-se. > > Sometimes they benefit. Sometimes they don't. IF you are > actually able to understand that fact, you are probably the > only other person besides myself who can. Even IF you are > able to understand the fact, as yet you have shown no > sign of being able to understand how it's significant. Neither > has anyone else. > > >> which is what I consider to be the main issue. > > > >It is one of the main issues. Environmental impact is the other. > > I've often asked which wildlife and why. No one can answer. > It's apparently a secret "answer" that no one can explain or even > try to explain. Environmental impact is not just about habitat destruction. Eg. Animal wastes, routine use of antibiotics associated with the emergence of superbugs, inefficient use of non-renewable resources, > > >> >> Eating meat substitutes like the > >> >> following: > >> >> > >> >> Worthington Meatless Chicken, Turkey, Ham, Vegetarian Hot Dogs > >> >> and Prosage Patties > >> >> > >> >> Lightlife Chicken Nuggets and Chicken Patties > >> >> > >> >> Boca Meatless Chick'n and Breakfast Patties > >> >> > >> >> Quorn Meat-Free Patties, Nuggets and Cutlets > >> >> > >> >> Morningstar Farms Garden Veggie Patties, Chick Patties, > >> >> Chik'n Nuggets, Corn Dogs > >> >> > >> >> contributes to cds associated with raising chickens, plus those > >> >> associated with the veggies in the products, plus it contributes > >> >> to the battery method of raising hens > >> > > >> >Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the > >> >products on those grounds. > >> > >> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products > >> in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals > >> raised to eat. > > > >With all that spinning you do > > Like what, exactly? What you just wrote. |
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