Any fans of Cru Beaujolais out there? I like them, having had a couple
2003 Moulin-a-Vent and Brouilly. Had a 2002 Morgon which I didn't like
all that much.

Can't wait until the 2005 are available, I've heard it was an excellent
vintage. No one here carries 2004 because it was supposedly either a
bad or variable vintage, and there are no 2003s left locally.

My goal is to try at least one example of all ten Crus from '05, and
then have a few extra bottles of whichever one(s) I like best.

-ben

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:30:00 -0400, Ben Snyder >
wrote:

>Any fans of Cru Beaujolais out there? I like them, having had a couple
>2003 Moulin-a-Vent and Brouilly. Had a 2002 Morgon which I didn't like
>all that much.
>
>Can't wait until the 2005 are available, I've heard it was an excellent
>vintage. No one here carries 2004 because it was supposedly either a
>bad or variable vintage, and there are no 2003s left locally.
>
>My goal is to try at least one example of all ten Crus from '05, and
>then have a few extra bottles of whichever one(s) I like best.
>
>-ben

I went through a period when I was living in S. Germany during which I
was consumming Cru Beaujolais almost exclusively. They were readily
available and it was an opportunity to explore the entire range (I
don't recall Regnie being in the list at the time, but maybe it simply
wasn't available--around '78-'81 time frame.)

They offer distinct profiles and have the advantage of being
relatively inexpensive, easy to drink, don't require long ageing and
they go nicely with meals or simply by the glass.

Slightly chilled, of course.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

In article >,
Ben Snyder > wrote:

> Any fans of Cru Beaujolais out there? I like them, having had a couple
> 2003 Moulin-a-Vent and Brouilly. Had a 2002 Morgon which I didn't like
> all that much.
>
> Can't wait until the 2005 are available, I've heard it was an excellent
> vintage. No one here carries 2004 because it was supposedly either a
> bad or variable vintage, and there are no 2003s left locally.
>
> My goal is to try at least one example of all ten Crus from '05, and
> then have a few extra bottles of whichever one(s) I like best.
>
> -ben

Good point. I haven't seen much of the 2004 but I know it wasn't too
great from the press. Have not tasted any 2004 at all. Does anyone have
any experience with the 2004's?

Ed Rasimus > wrote:

> (I don't recall Regnie being in the list at the time, but maybe
> it simply wasn't available--around '78-'81 time frame.)

Régnié was granted AOC Beaujolais Cru status only fairly recently:
1988.

M.

Ben Snyder > wrote in
:

> Any fans of Cru Beaujolais out there? I like them, having had a
couple
> 2003 Moulin-a-Vent and Brouilly. Had a 2002 Morgon which I didn't
like
> all that much.
>
> Can't wait until the 2005 are available, I've heard it was an
excellent
> vintage. No one here carries 2004 because it was supposedly either a
> bad or variable vintage, and there are no 2003s left locally.
>
> My goal is to try at least one example of all ten Crus from '05, and
> then have a few extra bottles of whichever one(s) I like best.
>
> -ben

There are actually a lot of folks here who a fans of Cru Beaujolais,
Dollar for Dollar, Euro for Euro one of the better values year in and
out. (That said I am not a fan of George DuBoeuf even before the latest
scandal I found his wines to be a tad oaky spoiling the natural beauty
of Moulin a Vent in favor of some "international" ie American appeal)

--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/

Joseph Coulter wrote:
> Ben Snyder > wrote in
> :
>
>> Any fans of Cru Beaujolais out there? I like them, having had a
> couple
>> 2003 Moulin-a-Vent and Brouilly. Had a 2002 Morgon which I didn't
> like
>> all that much.
>>
>> Can't wait until the 2005 are available, I've heard it was an
> excellent
>> vintage. No one here carries 2004 because it was supposedly either a
>> bad or variable vintage, and there are no 2003s left locally.
>>
>> My goal is to try at least one example of all ten Crus from '05, and
>> then have a few extra bottles of whichever one(s) I like best.
>>
>> -ben
>
> There are actually a lot of folks here who a fans of Cru Beaujolais,
> Dollar for Dollar, Euro for Euro one of the better values year in and
> out. (That said I am not a fan of George DuBoeuf even before the latest
> scandal I found his wines to be a tad oaky spoiling the natural beauty
> of Moulin a Vent in favor of some "international" ie American appeal)
>

The Moulin-a-Vent I had was not DuBoeuf, though the Brouilly and Morgon
were. I did enjoy the Brouilly the most, I think partly because of the
uniqueness of the tannins. Seemed to have a wet, chalky character, like
they began with a moderate grip and dissolved away to be noticed only in
the background. I don't know if this is a common characteristic in
Brouilly or any wines for that matter, but it was very interesting.

Moulin-a-Vent was quite good, though it didn't have any very unusual
things going on like the Brouilly.

-ben

Lawrence Leichtman wrote:

> Good point. I haven't seen much of the 2004 but I know it wasn't too
> great from the press. Have not tasted any 2004 at all. Does anyone have
> any experience with the 2004's?

Yes, I posted notes here I believe on the 2004 J-P Brun Fleurie we had a
while back: fantastic wine! I've also had his Vielles Vignes, which is
a great bottle, too. I think that I have a Marcel Lapierre 2004 Morgon
in the cellar, but I won't get to it until after his 2001 and 2002.

Mark Lipton

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:38:57 +0200
Michael Pronay > wrote:

> Ed Rasimus > wrote:
>
> > (I don't recall Regnie being in the list at the time, but maybe
> > it simply wasn't available--around '78-'81 time frame.)
>
> Régnié was granted AOC Beaujolais Cru status only fairly recently:
> 1988.
>

Was Régnié part of Morgon prior to that, or just a generic villages, I
wonder? Seems to me the latter, but can't remember.

Anyway look for JacquesTrichard if you can find it: fabulous.

Meanwhile, goodness me. AFW has gone off in a handbasket since
I went on vacation. Honestly, folks. From the most foul-mouthed
trolls to Dick and UC forming a Warsaw Pact. WTF?

Remember please that courtesy is or should be the watchword here.

On an aside and without searching for the "Beaune" thread amidst
the garbagio, we had a decent meal in Beaune in spite of the fact that
Nils recs (Ma Cuisine was very highly touted locally) were on vacation.
Place called Le Conty, wine was a very fresh '02 Monnier Volnay (sorry
no notes).

-E
--
Emery Davis
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Mark Lipton wrote:
> Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
>
> > Good point. I haven't seen much of the 2004 but I know it wasn't too
> > great from the press. Have not tasted any 2004 at all. Does anyone have
> > any experience with the 2004's?
>
> Yes, I posted notes here I believe on the 2004 J-P Brun Fleurie we had a
> while back: fantastic wine! I've also had his Vielles Vignes, which is
> a great bottle, too. I think that I have a Marcel Lapierre 2004 Morgon
> in the cellar, but I won't get to it until after his 2001 and 2002.
>
I agree with Mark- Brun (Terres Dorees) did a great job with the
Fleurie and the Cote de Brouilly (as well as the l'Ancien). I also like
2004 Clos de Roilette Fleurie, though not as much as the great 2002. I
was not really a fan of 2003 Beaujolais (but limited sampling)

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:03:38 -0400, Mark Lipton >
wrote:

> I think that I have a Marcel Lapierre 2004 Morgon
> in the cellar

Had a bootle of this in a local restaurant last week. Fine for
drinking now IMO, but I would not argue against your wanting to keep
it longer Mark. No TN, but I enjoyed it a lot.

Is it just me, or is Morgon a particularly distinctive Cru as
Beaujolais goes? I am certainly coming round to the view that it is
by far my favourite.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:44:29 +0100
Steve Slatcher > wrote:

[]
> Is it just me, or is Morgon a particularly distinctive Cru as
> Beaujolais goes? I am certainly coming round to the view that it is
> by far my favourite.
>

Steve, many would argue that Morgon is the most distinguished of
the cru, just as most would agree it is the most age-worthy. I've
had many Morgon at over 10 years old, that were wonderful, smooth
as silk and with great depth.

A cute aside, a great French verb to know is "morgonner" which means
to age gracefully and obtain full character (grow into ones skin) just as
a morgon ages.

Another great one is "faisander", to grow rank and gamey like a hung
pheasant. I use that one to describe my kid's socks...

-E

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To the Brouilly and Moulin-a-vent mentioned above, add Julienas.



"Joseph Coulter" > wrote in message
. 97.136...
> Ben Snyder > wrote in
> :
>
>> Any fans of Cru Beaujolais out there? I like them, having had a
> couple
>> 2003 Moulin-a-Vent and Brouilly. Had a 2002 Morgon which I didn't
> like
>> all that much.
>>
>> Can't wait until the 2005 are available, I've heard it was an
> excellent
>> vintage. No one here carries 2004 because it was supposedly either a
>> bad or variable vintage, and there are no 2003s left locally.
>>
>> My goal is to try at least one example of all ten Crus from '05, and
>> then have a few extra bottles of whichever one(s) I like best.
>>
>> -ben
>
> There are actually a lot of folks here who a fans of Cru Beaujolais,
> Dollar for Dollar, Euro for Euro one of the better values year in and
> out. (That said I am not a fan of George DuBoeuf even before the latest
> scandal I found his wines to be a tad oaky spoiling the natural beauty
> of Moulin a Vent in favor of some "international" ie American appeal)
>
> --
> Joseph Coulter
> Cruises and Vacations
> http://www.josephcoulter.com/
>

Steve Slatcher wrote:

> Had a bootle of this in a local restaurant last week. Fine for
> drinking now IMO, but I would not argue against your wanting to keep
> it longer Mark. No TN, but I enjoyed it a lot.

That's good to hear. It's actually received mixed reviews on the Wine
Internet, but the criticism has been directed against the unsulfured
Morgon, and it's not clear to me that everyone gets that (in fact, I
recall M. Lapierre saying that only people who could guarantee low
temperature transport and storage would be allowed the sans soufre
bottling). FWIW, I've never had any problems with his wines.

>
> Is it just me, or is Morgon a particularly distinctive Cru as
> Beaujolais goes? I am certainly coming round to the view that it is
> by far my favourite.

Morgon has many of the more serious producers. Aside from Lapierre,
there's Foillard, Thevenet, Desvignes and Breton, all in Morgon. As a
region (esp. the Cote du Py) Morgon seems to produce deeper, more
ageworthy wines. Only Fleurie, with Coudert, Chignard and Brun, seems
to come close in terms of quality producers (or at least those that make
it to the US). However, those rare serious Moulin-a-Vents and
Chiroubles can perhaps give Morgon a run for its money for depth and
ageworthiness.

Mark Lipton
>

On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:50:21 +0200, Emery Davis
> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:44:29 +0100
>Steve Slatcher > wrote:
>
>> Is it just me, or is Morgon a particularly distinctive Cru as
>> Beaujolais goes? I am certainly coming round to the view that it is
>> by far my favourite.
>>
>
>Steve, many would argue that Morgon is the most distinguished of
>the cru, just as most would agree it is the most age-worthy. I've
>had many Morgon at over 10 years old, that were wonderful, smooth
>as silk and with great depth.

Many would also say that Moulin-a-Vent and Fleurie are up there too. I
like all crus, but Morgon seems to me to have something different
flavourwise.

>Another great one is "faisander", to grow rank and gamey like a hung
>pheasant. I use that one to describe my kid's socks...

I have not heard that term before, but that certainly comes close to
describing the character I associate with Morgon. Even for younger
wines. Maybe it is just that there is more bret around in that
village, or that they are sloppier in there winemaking Regardless,
I like it.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:20:42 -0400, Mark Lipton >
wrote:

>Steve Slatcher wrote:
>
>> Had a bootle of this in a local restaurant last week. Fine for
>> drinking now IMO, but I would not argue against your wanting to keep
>> it longer Mark. No TN, but I enjoyed it a lot.
>
>That's good to hear. It's actually received mixed reviews on the Wine
>Internet, but the criticism has been directed against the unsulfured
>Morgon, and it's not clear to me that everyone gets that (in fact, I
>recall M. Lapierre saying that only people who could guarantee low
>temperature transport and storage would be allowed the sans soufre
>bottling). FWIW, I've never had any problems with his wines.

Interesting. Wish I'd checked the label more carefully now. I think
I can understand how some people might not like the gamey flavours I
was geting (even in the 2004) but I did not realise his was a wine
that was deividing opinion. It is the gamey flavours that I like, but
they could well be classed as faults I guess.

>Morgon has many of the more serious producers. Aside from Lapierre,
>there's Foillard, Thevenet, Desvignes and Breton, all in Morgon. As a
>region (esp. the Cote du Py) Morgon seems to produce deeper, more
>ageworthy wines. Only Fleurie, with Coudert, Chignard and Brun, seems
>to come close in terms of quality producers (or at least those that make
>it to the US). However, those rare serious Moulin-a-Vents and
>Chiroubles can perhaps give Morgon a run for its money for depth and
>ageworthiness.

I'll keep an eye out for these other producers.

As mentioned elsewhere in this thread I like all crus, but still think
Morgon stands out in character, even if M-a-V can give it a run for
its money in terms of structure.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

Emery Davis > wrote:

> Was Régnié part of Morgon prior to [1988],

No.

> or just a generic villages,

Not generic, but with the right to state "Régnié". It was
"Beaujolais Villages Régnié".

> I wonder? Seems to me the latter, but can't remember.

Right you are.

M.

I have enjoyed a couple of 2004's by Dominique Piron. Both the Domaine de
la Chanaise Morgon Cote du Py 2004 and the Chenas Quartz 2004 were very
nice wines, if a bit angular about 10 months ago. I think it is time to re-
taste them with one more year in bottle.

S.

In article >,
Mark Lipton > wrote:

> Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
>
> > Good point. I haven't seen much of the 2004 but I know it wasn't too
> > great from the press. Have not tasted any 2004 at all. Does anyone have
> > any experience with the 2004's?
>
> Yes, I posted notes here I believe on the 2004 J-P Brun Fleurie we had a
> while back: fantastic wine! I've also had his Vielles Vignes, which is
> a great bottle, too. I think that I have a Marcel Lapierre 2004 Morgon
> in the cellar, but I won't get to it until after his 2001 and 2002.
>
> Mark Lipton

Bought a Vielles Vignes 2004 in March from J Brun and drank it last
night with a veal dish . I have to say I was not disappointed. Solid
bottle that exhibited all of the best Beaujolais characteristics, cherry
and spice nose, good finish, nice mouth feel. All in all nice

Agree, the Brun old vines Beaujolais (L'Ancien) is pretty, typical, and
tasty!

In article >,
Mike Tommasi > wrote:

> Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Mark Lipton > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Good point. I haven't seen much of the 2004 but I know it wasn't too
> >>>great from the press. Have not tasted any 2004 at all. Does anyone have
> >>>any experience with the 2004's?
> >>
> >>Yes, I posted notes here I believe on the 2004 J-P Brun Fleurie we had a
> >>while back: fantastic wine! I've also had his Vielles Vignes, which is
> >>a great bottle, too. I think that I have a Marcel Lapierre 2004 Morgon
> >>in the cellar, but I won't get to it until after his 2001 and 2002.
> >>
> >>Mark Lipton
> >
> >
> > Bought a Vielles Vignes 2004 in March from J Brun and drank it last
> > night with a veal dish . I have to say I was not disappointed. Solid
> > bottle that exhibited all of the best Beaujolais characteristics, cherry
> > and spice nose, good finish, nice mouth feel. All in all nice
>
>
>
> Tried his white Beaujolais? A treat.

I've never had a white Beaujolais. Is it chardonnay?

Good goal---great wines to order at a restaurant with lots of expensive
burgundies on wine list-these are serious wines.
"Ben Snyder" > wrote in message
...
> Any fans of Cru Beaujolais out there? I like them, having had a couple
> 2003 Moulin-a-Vent and Brouilly. Had a 2002 Morgon which I didn't like
> all that much.
>
> Can't wait until the 2005 are available, I've heard it was an excellent
> vintage. No one here carries 2004 because it was supposedly either a
> bad or variable vintage, and there are no 2003s left locally.
>
> My goal is to try at least one example of all ten Crus from '05, and
> then have a few extra bottles of whichever one(s) I like best.
>
> -ben

Mike Tommasi wrote:
> Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Mark Lipton > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good point. I haven't seen much of the 2004 but I know it wasn't too
>>>> great from the press. Have not tasted any 2004 at all. Does anyone
>>>> have any experience with the 2004's?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I posted notes here I believe on the 2004 J-P Brun Fleurie we had a
>>> while back: fantastic wine! I've also had his Vielles Vignes, which is
>>> a great bottle, too. I think that I have a Marcel Lapierre 2004 Morgon
>>> in the cellar, but I won't get to it until after his 2001 and 2002.
>>>
>>> Mark Lipton
>>
>>
>>
>> Bought a Vielles Vignes 2004 in March from J Brun and drank it last
>> night with a veal dish . I have to say I was not disappointed. Solid
>> bottle that exhibited all of the best Beaujolais characteristics,
>> cherry and spice nose, good finish, nice mouth feel. All in all nice
>
>
>
>
> Tried his white Beaujolais? A treat.
>

Yes, an unoaked Chardonnay for those not in the know. When we visited
the winery, Brun's daughter poured this for us (why is it I always end
up with the daughter or niece when I visit these places? That was the
case at St. Anne, too, no?)

Mark Lipton

Lawrence Leichtman > wrote:

> I've never had a white Beaujolais. Is it chardonnay?

Yes.

M.

In article > ,
Mark Lipton > wrote:

> Mike Tommasi wrote:
> > Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> Mark Lipton > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Good point. I haven't seen much of the 2004 but I know it wasn't too
> >>>> great from the press. Have not tasted any 2004 at all. Does anyone
> >>>> have any experience with the 2004's?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I posted notes here I believe on the 2004 J-P Brun Fleurie we had a
> >>> while back: fantastic wine! I've also had his Vielles Vignes, which is
> >>> a great bottle, too. I think that I have a Marcel Lapierre 2004 Morgon
> >>> in the cellar, but I won't get to it until after his 2001 and 2002.
> >>>
> >>> Mark Lipton
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bought a Vielles Vignes 2004 in March from J Brun and drank it last
> >> night with a veal dish . I have to say I was not disappointed. Solid
> >> bottle that exhibited all of the best Beaujolais characteristics,
> >> cherry and spice nose, good finish, nice mouth feel. All in all nice
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tried his white Beaujolais? A treat.
> >
>
> Yes, an unoaked Chardonnay for those not in the know. When we visited
> the winery, Brun's daughter poured this for us (why is it I always end
> up with the daughter or niece when I visit these places? That was the
> case at St. Anne, too, no?)
>
> Mark Lipton

How available is this wine?

"Lawrence Leichtman" asked .......
>
> How available is this wine?
>


Chardonnay comprises less than 2% of the grapes planted within the
Beaujolais appellation.

So, I say "as scarce as hens' teeth"

;-)

--

st.helier

The problem lies with the Macon region - which sites right at the north of
the Beaujolais, and abuts the south of Burgundy. Like it's more famous
neighbor to the north, Maconnais white wines are Chardonnay. As I drove
through the region this summer, I was surprised at the number of relatively
new vineyards expanding out, into regions otherwise considered Beaujolais -
such as just north and east of Chateau de Chasselas (yes, Monty Python
fans - it really does exist).

I don;t know about % of production - but it seemed clear to me that there
are Chardonnay vineyards 'encroaching' into the northern end of the
Beaujolais.



> Chardonnay comprises less than 2% of the grapes planted within the
> Beaujolais appellation.
>
> So, I say "as scarce as hens' teeth"
>
> ;-)
>
> --
>
> st.helier
>

Lawrence Leichtman wrote:

> How available is this wine?

I believe that it's imported by Louis/Dressner, so it should be fairly
available in the usual NYC suspects (Chambers St., Astor and Crush).
Wine-searcher shows it available outside of NY, too.

Mark Lipton

In article > ,
Mark Lipton > wrote:

> Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
>
> > How available is this wine?
>
> I believe that it's imported by Louis/Dressner, so it should be fairly
> available in the usual NYC suspects (Chambers St., Astor and Crush).
> Wine-searcher shows it available outside of NY, too.
>
> Mark Lipton

I will try them out thanks.

I thought Beaujolais blanc was not a big seller, so debouf changed the
name to st. verand, only to find he could not use that name, and
changed it do st veran.

I recall buying considerable debouf beaujolias blanc when it would not
sell to others.

On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:20:34 +1200, "st.helier"
> wrote:

>"Lawrence Leichtman" asked .......
>>
>> How available is this wine?
>>
>
>
>Chardonnay comprises less than 2% of the grapes planted within the
>Beaujolais appellation.
>
>So, I say "as scarce as hens' teeth"
>
>;-)

you might find it listed as JP Brun Chardonnay, JP Brun Beaujolais
Blanc, Terres Dorees BB, etc