Here it is:

PREMIERS GRANDS CRUS CLASSÉS A:
Ausone
Cheval Blanc

PREMIERS GRANDS CRUS CLASSÉS B:
Angélus
Beauséjour (Duffau-Lagarrosse)
Beau-Séjour-Bécot
Belair
Canon
Figeac
La Gaffelière
Magdelaine
Pavie
Pavie-Macquin (NEW!)
Troplong-Mondot (NEW!)
Trottevieille
Clos Fourtet

GRANDS CRUS CLASSÉS
Balestard la Tonnelle
Bellefont-Belcier (NEW!)
Bergat
Berliquet
Cadet Piola
Canon la Gaffelière
Cap de Mourlin
Chauvin
Corbin
Corbin Michotte
Dassault
Destieux (NEW!)
Fleur-Cardinale (NEW!)
Fonplégade
Fonroque
Franc Mayne
Grand Corbin (NEW!)
Grand Corbin Despagne (NEW!)
Grand Mayne
Grand Pontet
Haut Corbin
Haut Sarpe
L'Arrosée
La Clotte
La Couspaude
La Dominique
La Serre
La Tour Figeac
Laniote
Larcis Ducasse
Larmande
Laroque
Laroze
Le Prieuré
Les Grandes Murailles
Matras
Monbousquet (NEW!)
Moulin du Cadet
Pavie-Decesse
Ripeau
Saint-Georges-Côte-Pavie
Soutard
Clos de l'Oratoire
Clos des Jacobins
Clos Saint-Martin
Couvent des Jacobins

13 chateaux have bee demoted (all from GCC):

Bellevue
Cadet-Bon
Curé-Bon
Faurie de Souchard
Guadet-St. Julien
La Clusière
La Tour du Pin Figeac (Giraud-Bélivier)
La Tour du Pin Figeac (J. M. Moueix)
Lamarzelle
Petit-Faurie-de-Soutard
Tertre Daugay
Villemaurine
Yon-Figeac

6 new in the list, 13 demoted.

M.

I applaud the promotion of Pavie-Macquin and Troplong-Mondot to PGCC B.
Both made very good wine in the 1990s and 2000-2002 (even if the latter
wasn't always stylistically my favorite.

Also agree with Grand Corbin Despagne's promotion.

Hard to argue very hard with the demotions.

"DaleW" > wrote:

> Hard to argue very hard with the demotions.

I received a press release from the Syndicat Viticole de
St-Émilion where they count 11 demotions, stating that Curé-Bon
was partly integrated into Canon - but they obviously forgot to
mention La Clusière.

Right in this second they answered: La Clusière has been
integrated into Pavie.

M.

DaleW wrote:
> I applaud the promotion of Pavie-Macquin and Troplong-Mondot to PGCC B.
> Both made very good wine in the 1990s and 2000-2002 (even if the latter
> wasn't always stylistically my favorite.
>
> Also agree with Grand Corbin Despagne's promotion.
>
> Hard to argue very hard with the demotions.
>

Agreed. It's also pretty clear how the Jurade feels about the
garagistes ;-)

Mark Lipton

Mark Lipton > wrote:

>> Hard to argue very hard with the demotions.

> Agreed. It's also pretty clear how the Jurade feels about the
> garagistes ;-)

Sorry, no. Not one single estate owner was on the claasification
panel established by the INAO - not the Syndicat Viticole nor the
Jurade.

Also, that's what J.-L. Thunevin says:

| Valandraud n’a droit à rien ce coup-ci, mais c’est promis,
| j’aurai ma place dans le prochain classement de 2016.

| Quant à moi, rendez-vous dans 10 ans pour Valandraud ...
| C’est déjà une autre histoire.

<http://thunevin.over-blog.com/>

M.

In message >
Michael Pronay > wrote:

> Mark Lipton > wrote:
>
>>> Hard to argue very hard with the demotions.
>
>> Agreed. It's also pretty clear how the Jurade feels about the
>> garagistes ;-)
>
> Sorry, no. Not one single estate owner was on the claasification
> panel established by the INAO - not the Syndicat Viticole nor the
> Jurade.
True but there is a requirement to make in the style of the
Jurisdiction which might have something to do with something.

Tim

Mark, I didn't struggle with my(poor HS French) through the link
Michael posted, but well before the classification was out I had heard
that the garagistes on the whole had not applied for classification
(that would fall into the "little to gain" category of business
thinking, and I think they are right).

DaleW wrote:
> Mark, I didn't struggle with my(poor HS French) through the link
> Michael posted, but well before the classification was out I had heard
> that the garagistes on the whole had not applied for classification
> (that would fall into the "little to gain" category of business
> thinking, and I think they are right).
>

Dale and Michael,
Thanks! I get it now. As you say, they probably have little if
anything to gain commercially.

Mark Lipton

Michael Pronay wrote:
> Here it is:

> PREMIERS GRANDS CRUS CLASSÉS B:
> Angélus
> Beauséjour (Duffau-Lagarrosse)
> Beau-Séjour-Bécot

Here are 3 wines that have greatly improved over the years - their
reputation was not always nearly as high as now. From the early 70s, I
remember Angelus as usually decent and a very good value, but not near
the top of many people's list. The 2 Beausejour wines were usually not
at all exciting in the early 70s, and I seem to recall that one was
demoted for a while many years ago. The Duffau-Lagrrosse seemed to have
the slightly better reputation of the two in the early 70s. Of course
back then these 3 wines were so inexpensive that one could afford to
use them for everyday wines. I remember seeing Angelus used as a picnic
wine one time.

In message om>
"cwdjrxyz" > wrote:

>
> Michael Pronay wrote:
>> Here it is:
>
>> PREMIERS GRANDS CRUS CLASSÉS B:
>> Angélus
>> Beauséjour (Duffau-Lagarrosse)
>> Beau-Séjour-Bécot
>
> Here are 3 wines that have greatly improved over the years - their
> reputation was not always nearly as high as now. From the early 70s, I
> remember Angelus as usually decent and a very good value, but not near
> the top of many people's list. The 2 Beausejour wines were usually not
> at all exciting in the early 70s, and I seem to recall that one was
> demoted for a while many years ago. The Duffau-Lagrrosse seemed to have
> the slightly better reputation of the two in the early 70s. Of course
> back then these 3 wines were so inexpensive that one could afford to
> use them for everyday wines. I remember seeing Angelus used as a picnic
> wine one time.
>
Beau-Séjour Becot was demoted in the 1985/6 reclassification but
thathad nothing to do with the quality of the wine. Michel Becot had
incorporated the neighbouring vineyard of La Carte never more than GC
- into the larger and higher classified PGCC. Having drunk 1976 La
Carte quite recently I am bound to say I can see why he felt this was
not unreasonable, hwever he did not get the necessary authority and
was punished by demotion until 1996. The ensuing row lingered on for
many years, ended in litigation and delayed the reclassification from
the first proposal in February 1985 to ministerial approval over a
year later. One thing is clear from the new list — those cynics who
said that the reclassification system was a one way ladder have again
been proved wrong, whatever debate there may be about the merits of
some of the individual cases of demotion in the new list.

Tim

On 7 Sep 2006 17:48:04 -0700, "cwdjrxyz" > wrote:
I'm certain I didn't pay over $15-20 in 1992 when I bought a bottle of
1990 Angelus. In 1992 I didn't have 20 bucks to spend on a single
bottle of wine. I didn't even know what $20-a-bottle wine was supposed
to taste like, and my budget had me enjoying ~$5 bottles (in 1992
dollars) from Cal, Spain, Chile and Chateau Ste. Michelle.

Imagine my shock after consuming the '90 Angelus in 1997, then
discovering I probably just drank a $300 bottle of wine with my $20
dinner!

These days you can't touch most recent releases of Angelus for under
$125. According to report, the 2005 Angelus first tranche offers in
June were nearly $300/bottle.

JJ


>Michael Pronay wrote:
>> PREMIERS GRANDS CRUS CLASSÉS B:
>> Angélus
>
>Here are 3 wines that have greatly improved over the years - their
>reputation was not always nearly as high as now. From the early 70s, I
>remember Angelus as usually decent and a very good value, but not near
>the top of many people's list.... I remember seeing Angelus used as a picnic
>wine one time.

I don't see Ch. Trimoulet on the list, a Saint-Émilion Grand Cru. I
take it it's not a GCC, but where then do I rank it? With the
demoteds?

JJ



On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:44:14 +0200, Michael Pronay >
wrote:

>Here it is:
>
>PREMIERS GRANDS CRUS CLASSÉS A:
>Ausone
>Cheval Blanc
>
>PREMIERS GRANDS CRUS CLASSÉS B:
>Angélus
>Beauséjour (Duffau-Lagarrosse)
>Beau-Séjour-Bécot
>Belair
>Canon
>Figeac
>La Gaffelière
>Magdelaine
>Pavie
>Pavie-Macquin (NEW!)
>Troplong-Mondot (NEW!)
>Trottevieille
>Clos Fourtet
>
>GRANDS CRUS CLASSÉS
>Balestard la Tonnelle
>Bellefont-Belcier (NEW!)
>Bergat
>Berliquet
>Cadet Piola
>Canon la Gaffelière
>Cap de Mourlin
>Chauvin
>Corbin
>Corbin Michotte
>Dassault
>Destieux (NEW!)
>Fleur-Cardinale (NEW!)
>Fonplégade
>Fonroque
>Franc Mayne
>Grand Corbin (NEW!)
>Grand Corbin Despagne (NEW!)
>Grand Mayne
>Grand Pontet
>Haut Corbin
>Haut Sarpe
>L'Arrosée
>La Clotte
>La Couspaude
>La Dominique
>La Serre
>La Tour Figeac
>Laniote
>Larcis Ducasse
>Larmande
>Laroque
>Laroze
>Le Prieuré
>Les Grandes Murailles
>Matras
>Monbousquet (NEW!)
>Moulin du Cadet
>Pavie-Decesse
>Ripeau
>Saint-Georges-Côte-Pavie
>Soutard
>Clos de l'Oratoire
>Clos des Jacobins
>Clos Saint-Martin
>Couvent des Jacobins
>
>13 chateaux have bee demoted (all from GCC):
>
>Bellevue
>Cadet-Bon
>Curé-Bon
>Faurie de Souchard
>Guadet-St. Julien
>La Clusière
>La Tour du Pin Figeac (Giraud-Bélivier)
>La Tour du Pin Figeac (J. M. Moueix)
>Lamarzelle
>Petit-Faurie-de-Soutard
>Tertre Daugay
>Villemaurine
>Yon-Figeac
>
>6 new in the list, 13 demoted.
>
>M.

wrote in news:40t6g25n052u7fq3fdanp5d7g8vujvueda@
4ax.com:

> I don't see Ch. Trimoulet on the list, a Saint-Émilion Grand Cru. I
> take it it's not a GCC, but where then do I rank it? With the
> demoteds?
>
> JJ
>

Grand Cru's earn their stripes every year by passing the various tests
to be granted the year to year status. they are not classified but have
to pass through several testings from vintning to racking to bottling.
Only if they typify Grand Cru St. Emilion at each stage are they allowed
to be bottled as such. (or something damn close to what I just said )



--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/

In message >
wrote:

> I don't see Ch. Trimoulet on the list, a Saint-Émilion Grand Cru. I
> take it it's not a GCC, but where then do I rank it? With the
> demoteds?

In one sense yes - beacuae all those dmoted will now have to apply in
successive years after the vintage to obtain the necessary
certificates to describe their wine of that vintage as Grand Cru. The
wine is tasted by a committee which includes growers, oenologists and
the trade to ensure that it is true to the Saint Emilion character and
has the capacity to age.
In the other sense that it has not bee demoted the answer tothe
question is no. Trimoulet has not been a Grand Cru Classe - at least
in the last three classifications and, form memory, I don't think it
ever has been.

Tim