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An interesting article in the IHT this weekend, talking about an
environmental impact study done at Sicilian vineyard Milazzo, for the wine Terre Della Baronia. http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/...ess/wbwine.php A single bottle produced 1.1 pounds of total waste and released 16 grams of suldur dioxide. "Producing the 2004 vintage of some 100,000 bottles generated 10,000 kilograms of plastic waste alone, 5,000 kilograms of paper, and oceans of wastewater." Food for thought, indeed. It makes one wonder about the environmental impact, globally, of our personal habits... Kudos to this winery for participating in the study. -E -- Emery Davis You can reply to ecom by removing the well known companies |
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Hi Emery,
> A single bottle produced 1.1 pounds of total waste and released 16 grams of > suldur dioxide. > > "Producing the 2004 vintage of some 100,000 bottles generated > 10,000 kilograms of plastic waste alone, 5,000 kilograms of paper, > and oceans of wastewater." > > Food for thought, indeed. It makes one wonder about the environmental impact, > globally, of our personal habits... Our habit doesn't have to mean excessive waste. I think it's a matter of how a winery weighs vinting their product for efficiency, versus environmental impact. And how much waste we consumers are willing to put up with. If we care at all. I've noticed that biodynamic and other "green" vinting methods are catching on a lot in Oregon. The wines are spectacular, and prices about the same as other commercially produced wines. The difference is that there is more effort required on the part of the vintner to make it happen. If I recall... several winemakers at the Carlton Winemakers Studio use natural fertilizers from local farms... gravity-flow irrigation from rainwater... and their vinting studio uses renewable electricity to power their winery equipment. On a much smaller scale, green methods are in use everywhere... think about home vintners who don't need all that fancy packaging... We home winemakers makes wine using less materials, and in a simpler fashion -- and certainly, with much less waste -- than most commercial wineries. Recycling bottles for multiple vintages (which does not require wasted energy from recycling and reforming the bottles), and re-using vinting equipment that, while fine for home use, may not be up to specs for a commercial outfit (again, repurposing materials so new ones don't need to be purchased), are just two ways I can see the home winemaker helping contribute in a "healthy" manner. Add to this the fact that many vineyard owners who make wine also have livestock, to whom they feed the leftover pomace, pips, stems, etc. Now you have the makings of a recycling program right on your own property. The livestock produce the fertilizer, and there you go. Green vinting certainly costs a bit more up-front to set up, and may have some higher operating costs (mostly labor, I should think), but it can be done successfully, at least on a small-to-medium scale. I should think that we (wine drinkers) really don't need nice foil wrappers, expensive labels, or custom-crafted/etched bottles (all of which contribute to excessive waste), because what matters is the wine, not packaging. I think we could all start by letting our favorite wineries know that we would support them in choosing greener production methods. You might be surprised how many step up to the plate and offer to look at new ways to make their wines, while reducing the impact on the environment. Thanks for sharing, David |
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Dave wrote:
> Green vinting certainly costs a bit more up-front to set up, and may > have some higher operating costs (mostly labor, I should think), but it > can be done successfully, at least on a small-to-medium scale. I should > think that we (wine drinkers) really don't need nice foil wrappers, > expensive labels, or custom-crafted/etched bottles (all of which > contribute to excessive waste), because what matters is the wine, not > packaging. I think we could all start by letting our favorite wineries > know that we would support them in choosing greener production methods. > You might be surprised how many step up to the plate and offer to look > at new ways to make their wines, while reducing the impact on the > environment. Dave, I agree with you that green agricultural practices are one way of combating the waste discussed in the article (which, unfortunately, was a bit short on details). One thing that I couldn't help wondering was what sort of operation they were studying. Did they machine harvest? Did they use pesticides and fertilizers? I was struck by their mention of irrigation since I thought that most Old World wines were dry farmed. Like others, I suspect that the numbers might change quite a bit if the operation were a bit lower tech. Mark Lipton |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:37:24 -0400
Mark Lipton > wrote: > Dave wrote: > > > Green vinting certainly costs a bit more up-front to set up, and may > > have some higher operating costs (mostly labor, I should think), but it > > can be done successfully, at least on a small-to-medium scale. I should > > think that we (wine drinkers) really don't need nice foil wrappers, > > expensive labels, or custom-crafted/etched bottles (all of which > > contribute to excessive waste), because what matters is the wine, not > > packaging. I think we could all start by letting our favorite wineries > > know that we would support them in choosing greener production methods. > > You might be surprised how many step up to the plate and offer to look > > at new ways to make their wines, while reducing the impact on the > > environment. > > Dave, > I agree with you that green agricultural practices are one way of > combating the waste discussed in the article (which, unfortunately, was > a bit short on details). One thing that I couldn't help wondering was > what sort of operation they were studying. Did they machine harvest? > Did they use pesticides and fertilizers? I was struck by their mention > of irrigation since I thought that most Old World wines were dry farmed. > Like others, I suspect that the numbers might change quite a bit if the > operation were a bit lower tech. > Hi Mark, I wonder if they didn't put the entire article on line... I didn't look at it there. In the print version they specifically mentioned hand harvesting, but liberal use of pesticides. Also heavy irrigation, which took me aback too. They did say that following the study the winery eliminated pesticides, so once again kudos to them. -E -- Emery Davis You can reply to ecom by removing the well known companies |
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This is horrible. For those of you concerend the most about global warming
and the kyoto treaties should immediately stop drinking the classified top growths of Bordeaux and Burgundy. I will make sure this product is properly disposed up. :-) "Emery Davis" > wrote in message ... > An interesting article in the IHT this weekend, talking about an > environmental impact study done at Sicilian vineyard Milazzo, > for the wine Terre Della Baronia. > > http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/...ess/wbwine.php > > A single bottle produced 1.1 pounds of total waste and released 16 grams > of > suldur dioxide. > > "Producing the 2004 vintage of some 100,000 bottles generated > 10,000 kilograms of plastic waste alone, 5,000 kilograms of paper, > and oceans of wastewater." > > Food for thought, indeed. It makes one wonder about the environmental > impact, > globally, of our personal habits... > > Kudos to this winery for participating in the study. > > -E > -- > Emery Davis > You can reply to ecom > by removing the well known companies > |
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![]() Emery Davis wrote: > An interesting article in the IHT this weekend, talking about an > environmental impact study done at Sicilian vineyard Milazzo, > for the wine Terre Della Baronia. > > http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/...ess/wbwine.php > > A single bottle produced 1.1 pounds of total waste and released 16 grams of > suldur dioxide. I wonder if Sicily is the best place for this type of study. Consider Mt. Etna. I would not be surprised if it belches out by far more sulfur compounds in various forms(including sulfur dioxide) than wine production in Sicily does. :-) . |
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"cwdjrxyz" wrote ...............
> > I wonder if Sicily is the best place for this type of study. Consider > Mt. Etna. I would not be surprised if it belches out by far more sulfur > compounds in various forms(including sulfur dioxide) than wine > production in Sicily does. :-) .> My sentiments exactly - one decent sized puff from Etna or nay of over 550 volcanoes which have erupted in historical times, makes a mockery of the measurement of sulphur emissions. As to the amount of plastic and or paper, I can only comment from my experience within a small grape growing / wine making operation. The place to which I was contracted was about twice the size of the Sicilian producer. Without seeing exactly how that figure was arrived at; I can categorically say that we never generated 10 tonnes of plastic; nothing like it. Yes, there are chemical containers and plastic wrap around bottles (all of which can be recycled or otherwise disposed of with care and attention) - but 10 tonnes is OTT. -- st.helier |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:39:53 +1300, "st.helier"
> wrote: >"cwdjrxyz" wrote ............... >> >> I wonder if Sicily is the best place for this type of study. Consider >> Mt. Etna. I would not be surprised if it belches out by far more sulfur >> compounds in various forms(including sulfur dioxide) than wine >> production in Sicily does. :-) .> Well, yeah, but then there's that whole thing of how much global warming and air pollution is caused by methane gas from cowpies, too. ![]() I think the point he's trying to make is that certain items and products now contributing to the waste stream don't necessarily have to, or could be substantially reduced, given proper care and more environmetally conscious management techniques >Yes, there are chemical containers and plastic wrap around bottles (all of >which can be recycled or otherwise disposed of with care and attention) - >but 10 tonnes is OTT. How does one dispose of a plastic "cork?" That's got to be one of the stupidest ideas for wine packaging I've ever seen. Yeah, I know all the arguments for it (and plenty against it), but the bottom line is that we'd have millions of those things filling up landfill trenches if every producer went plastic. My real corks get recycled and re-used, and if I had a decent parrot to grind them up (hah!) I'd mix 'em into the compost bin. Similarly, what does one do with styrofoam from wine shippers? (Or from any other product?) I can only re-use or recycle so much of it. The rest inevitably goes to the dump because, at least as far as I know, there's no commonly accepted system for recycling styrofoam. JJ |
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Jef,
I try pretty hard to get my shippers to retailers with a mail order business. They're usually quite happy to reuse (in one case when I delivered about 8 shippers at once as I was leaving an owner called me back to give me a sample bottle as thanks). I think it behooves every business, small or large, to think what they can do to reduce enviromental harm. I admit I mostly buy a lot of biodynamic or organically farmed* wines due to liking the wines, but it's an added benefit if less damaging, and if all other factors are equal I will chose the wine I regard as more responsible. Thanks Emery for link Dale * I'm differing between organically-farmed and wines that are certified organic in US. I seldom buy the latter, too many spoilage issues. |
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