Hi
I want to start drinking wine with dinner for the health benefits, but
I'm not a real fan of the taste. Can someone suggest something thats
cheap and mild? Thanks.

wrote:
> Hi
> I want to start drinking wine with dinner for the health benefits, but
> I'm not a real fan of the taste. Can someone suggest something thats
> cheap and mild? Thanks.

What do you consider 'cheap'? If you have never had a well-made wine
with food, you may not have actually understood what wine is all about.
I suggest you get a bottle of a wine called 'Dolcetto' from northern
Italy, in the region named 'Piedmont'. It will cost between $12-25
depending on the producer, the production commune, and the state in
which you live. There are many good producers of Dolcetto, and it is
made in seven different communes (Acqui, Alba, Asti, Diano d'Alba,
Dogliani, Ovada, and Langhe Monregalesi). Dolcetto di'Asti and Dolcetto
d'Alba should be available in almost any good wine shop. Those are the
ones to look for. Dolcetto di Dogliani is exceptionally good, but it is
not widely available. The leading producer is (Quinto) Chionetti.

Dolcetto is a wine that is very easy to like.

http://www.kobrandwine.com/grape_lib...php?g=Dolcetto

http://www.bacchuswines.ch/about.html

Both cheap and mild are in the eye of the beholder.

Two possibilities:
Start in your local store, try Merlot or Shiraz wines in your budget.
While both Merlot and Syrah (Shiraz) can make big powerful reds, on the
low end they tend to light.

Try a hybrid-grape blend such as Taylor Lake Country red. They tend to
be light and a little sweet, and I believe lambrusca and hybrid grapes
have higher levels of resveratrol. If still too much for you, try
diluting with water or seltzer.

If one of these work for you, in a few months see if regular
consumption has made you more receptive to wine, and maybe then expand
to more "serious" wine.

I could give you lots of recommendations for lighter wines (Beaujolais,
Loire, CA) in the $10-15 range, but think if you're drinking for health
reasons alone you probably will be happier with a under $6 per 750
wine.
wrote:
> Hi
> I want to start drinking wine with dinner for the health benefits, but
> I'm not a real fan of the taste. Can someone suggest something thats
> cheap and mild? Thanks.

DaleW wrote:
> Both cheap and mild are in the eye of the beholder.
>
> Two possibilities:
> Start in your local store, try Merlot or Shiraz wines in your budget.
> While both Merlot and Syrah (Shiraz) can make big powerful reds, on the
> low end they tend to light.
>
> Try a hybrid-grape blend such as Taylor Lake Country red. They tend to
> be light and a little sweet, and I believe lambrusca and hybrid grapes
> have higher levels of resveratrol. If still too much for you, try
> diluting with water or seltzer.
>
> If one of these work for you, in a few months see if regular
> consumption has made you more receptive to wine, and maybe then expand
> to more "serious" wine.
>
> I could give you lots of recommendations for lighter wines (Beaujolais,
> Loire, CA) in the $10-15 range, but think if you're drinking for health
> reasons alone you probably will be happier with a under $6 per 750
> wine.

As usual, horrible advice. If the poster is not a "fan of the taste",
why recommend under $6/bottle wine? It's not typically going to be a
good bottle! And do we need to encourage the drinking of Merlot? You're
just perverted and sick. This is garbage advice.

On 2 Nov 2006 09:45:57 -0800, "DaleW" > wrote:

>Both cheap and mild are in the eye of the beholder.
>
>Two possibilities:
>Start in your local store, try Merlot or Shiraz wines in your budget.
>While both Merlot and Syrah (Shiraz) can make big powerful reds, on the
>low end they tend to light.
>
>Try a hybrid-grape blend such as Taylor Lake Country red. They tend to
>be light and a little sweet, and I believe lambrusca and hybrid grapes
>have higher levels of resveratrol. If still too much for you, try
>diluting with water or seltzer.
>
>If one of these work for you, in a few months see if regular
>consumption has made you more receptive to wine, and maybe then expand
>to more "serious" wine.
>
>I could give you lots of recommendations for lighter wines (Beaujolais,
>Loire, CA) in the $10-15 range, but think if you're drinking for health
>reasons alone you probably will be happier with a under $6 per 750
>wine.
wrote:
>> Hi
>> I want to start drinking wine with dinner for the health benefits, but
>> I'm not a real fan of the taste. Can someone suggest something thats
>> cheap and mild? Thanks.

I'm always a bit fascinated by folks who "don't like the taste" but
are ready to jump on the "wine for health" bandwagon. It seems to fit
the "I read Playboy for the articles" gambit. Might even be reflective
of a Bible Belt upbringing that equated alcoholic beverages with
various levels of damnation.

That being said, it should be noted that resveratrol is mentioned in
the news releases that I read about this research as being available
directly in health food stores. Might be better to bypass the
middle-man and simply pop a pill. Stock up on some multi-vitamins at
the same time and be sure to add a statin to handle cholesterol
issues.

But if our sinister.genius really wants wine that's "cheap and mild"
there's a lot of stuff out there. By "mild" I assume not bitter, acid
or with overwhelming tannins. "Cheap" I understand.

Suggestions:

Box wines, like Black Box--somewhat more upscale in quality than the
Franzia plonk, but inexpensive and with reasonable flavors.

Low end, mass-distributed super-market wines like Corbett Canyon or
Bella Serra in blends or generic names like "hearty red" or "chianti".

Some samplings of shiraz/syrah, zinfandel, beaujolais or valpolicella.
Pinot noir fits the mild, but usually not the cheap requirement.

Try some things, remember what you liked, then return to a dealer and
ask for "something like xxx, but a little more yyy". Lather, rinse,
repeat through a couple of iterations and you'll have your daily dose
of resveratrol.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

If you are looking for wines that don't taste like wine.....try
Beringer zinfindel or a German Riesling from Mosel....very sweet wines.
Taste like candy really.

The Zinfin is around 6.00 a bottle. The Rieslings can go from 15.00 to
50.00. But soooooo goood. The sommelier at Jean Georges told me
about Dr Loosen Riesling. 25.00 a bottle at the liquor store is good
stuff. Highly recommended is the Gutsabfullung creenigte Hospitien
Trier-Hope the spelling is right LOL It's a Spalese. $30.00 of pure
joy.

Happy Drinking


Ed Rasimus wrote:
> On 2 Nov 2006 09:45:57 -0800, "DaleW" > wrote:
>
> >Both cheap and mild are in the eye of the beholder.
> >
> >Two possibilities:
> >Start in your local store, try Merlot or Shiraz wines in your budget.
> >While both Merlot and Syrah (Shiraz) can make big powerful reds, on the
> >low end they tend to light.
> >
> >Try a hybrid-grape blend such as Taylor Lake Country red. They tend to
> >be light and a little sweet, and I believe lambrusca and hybrid grapes
> >have higher levels of resveratrol. If still too much for you, try
> >diluting with water or seltzer.
> >
> >If one of these work for you, in a few months see if regular
> >consumption has made you more receptive to wine, and maybe then expand
> >to more "serious" wine.
> >
> >I could give you lots of recommendations for lighter wines (Beaujolais,
> >Loire, CA) in the $10-15 range, but think if you're drinking for health
> >reasons alone you probably will be happier with a under $6 per 750
> >wine.
> wrote:
> >> Hi
> >> I want to start drinking wine with dinner for the health benefits, but
> >> I'm not a real fan of the taste. Can someone suggest something thats
> >> cheap and mild? Thanks.
>
> I'm always a bit fascinated by folks who "don't like the taste" but
> are ready to jump on the "wine for health" bandwagon. It seems to fit
> the "I read Playboy for the articles" gambit. Might even be reflective
> of a Bible Belt upbringing that equated alcoholic beverages with
> various levels of damnation.
>
> That being said, it should be noted that resveratrol is mentioned in
> the news releases that I read about this research as being available
> directly in health food stores. Might be better to bypass the
> middle-man and simply pop a pill. Stock up on some multi-vitamins at
> the same time and be sure to add a statin to handle cholesterol
> issues.
>
> But if our sinister.genius really wants wine that's "cheap and mild"
> there's a lot of stuff out there. By "mild" I assume not bitter, acid
> or with overwhelming tannins. "Cheap" I understand.
>
> Suggestions:
>
> Box wines, like Black Box--somewhat more upscale in quality than the
> Franzia plonk, but inexpensive and with reasonable flavors.
>
> Low end, mass-distributed super-market wines like Corbett Canyon or
> Bella Serra in blends or generic names like "hearty red" or "chianti".
>
> Some samplings of shiraz/syrah, zinfandel, beaujolais or valpolicella.
> Pinot noir fits the mild, but usually not the cheap requirement.
>
> Try some things, remember what you liked, then return to a dealer and
> ask for "something like xxx, but a little more yyy". Lather, rinse,
> repeat through a couple of iterations and you'll have your daily dose
> of resveratrol.
>
>
> Ed Rasimus
> Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
> "When Thunder Rolled"
> www.thunderchief.org
> www.thundertales.blogspot.com

I'd agree tht white Zinfandel or offdry to sweet Riesling appeal to
some non-wine drinkers, but I'm assuming if OP is looking for health
benefits he/she wants red. While alcohol in general appears to have
some health benefits in moderation, it is red wine that contains
significant amounts of resveratrol (and possibly other substances with
anti-oxididant or related properties). Zinfandel grapes certainly have
resveratrol in skin, but the method of making blush wines (I'm assuming
that's what you referred to based on sweetness comments) would appear
to not lead to a lot of resveratrol in the wine.

As native American (and hybrid) grapes have higher resveratrol, if one
is drinking for medicinal purposes why not drink those? Especially
since most are made in slightly sweet style and are cheap.


Stevie wrote:
> If you are looking for wines that don't taste like wine.....try
> Beringer zinfindel or a German Riesling from Mosel....very sweet wines.
> Taste like candy really.
>
> The Zinfin is around 6.00 a bottle. The Rieslings can go from 15.00 to
> 50.00. But soooooo goood. The sommelier at Jean Georges told me
> about Dr Loosen Riesling. 25.00 a bottle at the liquor store is good
> stuff. Highly recommended is the Gutsabfullung creenigte Hospitien
> Trier-Hope the spelling is right LOL It's a Spalese. $30.00 of pure
> joy.
>
> Happy Drinking
>
>
> Ed Rasimus wrote:
> > On 2 Nov 2006 09:45:57 -0800, "DaleW" > wrote:
> >
> > >Both cheap and mild are in the eye of the beholder.
> > >
> > >Two possibilities:
> > >Start in your local store, try Merlot or Shiraz wines in your budget.
> > >While both Merlot and Syrah (Shiraz) can make big powerful reds, on the
> > >low end they tend to light.
> > >
> > >Try a hybrid-grape blend such as Taylor Lake Country red. They tend to
> > >be light and a little sweet, and I believe lambrusca and hybrid grapes
> > >have higher levels of resveratrol. If still too much for you, try
> > >diluting with water or seltzer.
> > >
> > >If one of these work for you, in a few months see if regular
> > >consumption has made you more receptive to wine, and maybe then expand
> > >to more "serious" wine.
> > >
> > >I could give you lots of recommendations for lighter wines (Beaujolais,
> > >Loire, CA) in the $10-15 range, but think if you're drinking for health
> > >reasons alone you probably will be happier with a under $6 per 750
> > >wine.
> > wrote:
> > >> Hi
> > >> I want to start drinking wine with dinner for the health benefits, but
> > >> I'm not a real fan of the taste. Can someone suggest something thats
> > >> cheap and mild? Thanks.
> >
> > I'm always a bit fascinated by folks who "don't like the taste" but
> > are ready to jump on the "wine for health" bandwagon. It seems to fit
> > the "I read Playboy for the articles" gambit. Might even be reflective
> > of a Bible Belt upbringing that equated alcoholic beverages with
> > various levels of damnation.
> >
> > That being said, it should be noted that resveratrol is mentioned in
> > the news releases that I read about this research as being available
> > directly in health food stores. Might be better to bypass the
> > middle-man and simply pop a pill. Stock up on some multi-vitamins at
> > the same time and be sure to add a statin to handle cholesterol
> > issues.
> >
> > But if our sinister.genius really wants wine that's "cheap and mild"
> > there's a lot of stuff out there. By "mild" I assume not bitter, acid
> > or with overwhelming tannins. "Cheap" I understand.
> >
> > Suggestions:
> >
> > Box wines, like Black Box--somewhat more upscale in quality than the
> > Franzia plonk, but inexpensive and with reasonable flavors.
> >
> > Low end, mass-distributed super-market wines like Corbett Canyon or
> > Bella Serra in blends or generic names like "hearty red" or "chianti".
> >
> > Some samplings of shiraz/syrah, zinfandel, beaujolais or valpolicella.
> > Pinot noir fits the mild, but usually not the cheap requirement.
> >
> > Try some things, remember what you liked, then return to a dealer and
> > ask for "something like xxx, but a little more yyy". Lather, rinse,
> > repeat through a couple of iterations and you'll have your daily dose
> > of resveratrol.
> >
> >
> > Ed Rasimus
> > Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
> > "When Thunder Rolled"
> > www.thunderchief.org
> > www.thundertales.blogspot.com

DaleW wrote:
> I'd agree tht white Zinfandel or offdry to sweet Riesling appeal to
> some non-wine drinkers, but I'm assuming if OP is looking for health
> benefits he/she wants red. While alcohol in general appears to have
> some health benefits in moderation, it is red wine that contains
> significant amounts of resveratrol (and possibly other substances with
> anti-oxididant or related properties). Zinfandel grapes certainly have
> resveratrol in skin, but the method of making blush wines (I'm assuming
> that's what you referred to based on sweetness comments) would appear
> to not lead to a lot of resveratrol in the wine.
>
> As native American (and hybrid) grapes have higher resveratrol, if one
> is drinking for medicinal purposes why not drink those? Especially
> since most are made in slightly sweet style and are cheap.

To recommend native American wine is a new low and beneath contempt,
even for you.. Not even the American Indians made wine from those
grapes.

DaleW wrote:
> I'd agree tht white Zinfandel or offdry to sweet Riesling appeal to
> some non-wine drinkers, but I'm assuming if OP is looking for health
> benefits he/she wants red. While alcohol in general appears to have
> some health benefits in moderation, it is red wine that contains
> significant amounts of resveratrol (and possibly other substances with
> anti-oxididant or related properties). Zinfandel grapes certainly have
> resveratrol in skin, but the method of making blush wines (I'm assuming
> that's what you referred to based on sweetness comments) would appear
> to not lead to a lot of resveratrol in the wine.
>
> As native American (and hybrid) grapes have higher resveratrol, if one
> is drinking for medicinal purposes why not drink those? Especially
> since most are made in slightly sweet style and are cheap.

Dale,
I think that you're misremembering the data. IIRC, the greatest
resveratrol content was found in a Dr. Konstantin Frank Pinot Noir. I
recall thinking how counterintuitive it is that a paler red wine like PN
had more resveratrol than some inky dark wine like Tannat. Here's a
link to a Cornell fluff piece:

http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicl...sveratrol.html

Mark Lipton

"Stevie" > skrev i melding
ps.com...
> ...Highly recommended is the Gutsabfullung creenigte Hospitien
> Trier-Hope the spelling is right LOL It's a Spalese. $30.00 of pure
> joy.
LOL :-)
Gutsabfuellung Vereinigte Hospitien, Trier. It's a Spaetlese.
Or in English: Winery bottling, United Hospitals at Trier. It's a Late
Harvest.

Anders

wrote:
> Hi
> I want to start drinking wine with dinner for the health benefits, but
> I'm not a real fan of the taste. Can someone suggest something thats
> cheap and mild? Thanks.
>

You really have to try a few wines and see what you like. Everyones
different. Try finding a wine bar/store in your area that will allow
you to taste a variety of wines.

For someone who doesn't like the taste of wine, but wants the health
benefits it would be a disservice to recommend any wine at all. The
core health benefit comes from the polyphenols in the skins, and that
means the real benefits only come from intense, bitter reds.

My personal recommendation would be to drink tea, which also has
significant amounts of polyphenols. Leave those big syrahs and barolos
to those of us who love them

Keith Wallace
The Wine School of Philadelphia
http://www.vinology.com

wsop wrote:
> For someone who doesn't like the taste of wine, but wants the health
> benefits it would be a disservice to recommend any wine at all. The
> core health benefit comes from the polyphenols in the skins, and that
> means the real benefits only come from intense, bitter reds.

But if resveratrol is the main source of the health benefits, as is
seeming more and more likely these days, the wines with the highest
resveratrol content are Pinot Noirs and Chiantis, neither known for
their intense bitterness.

>
> My personal recommendation would be to drink tea, which also has
> significant amounts of polyphenols. Leave those big syrahs and barolos
> to those of us who love them

But tea has little to no resveratrol (see the links I provided in the
recent thread on resveratrol). And who says tea isn't bitter? ;-)

Mark Lipton

Good point, Mark

I was not referring to resveratrol but to the health benefits in
general--this thread did seem to change focus from the original posters
question. Resveratrol (3,5,4prime-trihydroxy-trans-stilbene) is one of
the main polyphenols in wine, and derived from the skins of grapes.

I am not familiar with any studies that show overall levels of
different red varietals. Could you send them my way?

Keith
http://www.vinology.com

Mark Lipton wrote:
> wsop wrote:
> > For someone who doesn't like the taste of wine, but wants the health
> > benefits it would be a disservice to recommend any wine at all. The
> > core health benefit comes from the polyphenols in the skins, and that
> > means the real benefits only come from intense, bitter reds.
>
> But if resveratrol is the main source of the health benefits, as is
> seeming more and more likely these days, the wines with the highest
> resveratrol content are Pinot Noirs and Chiantis, neither known for
> their intense bitterness.
>
> >
> > My personal recommendation would be to drink tea, which also has
> > significant amounts of polyphenols. Leave those big syrahs and barolos
> > to those of us who love them
>
> But tea has little to no resveratrol (see the links I provided in the
> recent thread on resveratrol). And who says tea isn't bitter? ;-)
>
> Mark Lipton

Try real red grape Juice.


"wsop" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> For someone who doesn't like the taste of wine, but wants the health
> benefits it would be a disservice to recommend any wine at all. The
> core health benefit comes from the polyphenols in the skins, and that
> means the real benefits only come from intense, bitter reds.
>
> My personal recommendation would be to drink tea, which also has
> significant amounts of polyphenols. Leave those big syrahs and barolos
> to those of us who love them
>
> Keith Wallace
> The Wine School of Philadelphia
> http://www.vinology.com
>

sibeer wrote:
> Try real red grape Juice.

It's been shown that unfermented grape juice contains next to no
resveratrol. So it's either wine or resveratrol tablets.

Mark Lipton

Mark:
1. Are there different brands of resveratrol?

2. If so, is there a Resveratrol Spectator that can delineate the best
brand?

3. What about a separate newsgroup alt.food.resveratrol?

4. When will we see the phrase in the Resveratrol Advocate: "hedonistic" and
"gobs and gobs of resveratrol"?

5. Will there be a white resveratrol of at least a resveratrol-lite?
"Mark Lipton" > wrote in message
...
> sibeer wrote:
> > Try real red grape Juice.
>
> It's been shown that unfermented grape juice contains next to no
> resveratrol. So it's either wine or resveratrol tablets.
>
> Mark Lipton

Joe "Beppe"Rosenberg wrote:
> Mark:
> 1. Are there different brands of resveratrol?

Yes, I have made over 80 different versions of it, soon to be marketed
under the name WhineForHealth™ (catchy, huh?). And I've got
competetion. Dr. Sinclair's got a commercial ventu Sirtris
Pharmaceuticals. My molecules get a higher score in the Resveratrol
Spec, though.

>
> 2. If so, is there a Resveratrol Spectator that can delineate the best
> brand?

Nature has the best reviews. See the most recent issue for details ;-)
>
> 3. What about a separate newsgroup alt.food.resveratrol?

I'll get right on it. Cmsg newgroup on the way!
>
> 4. When will we see the phrase in the Resveratrol Advocate: "hedonistic" and
> "gobs and gobs of resveratrol"?

Already on the way.
>
> 5. Will there be a white resveratrol of at least a resveratrol-lite?

I'll get right on it ;-)

Mark "Mr. Resveratrol" Lipton

wrote:

> Hi
> I want to start drinking wine with dinner for the health benefits, but
> I'm not a real fan of the taste. Can someone suggest something thats
> cheap and mild? Thanks.

Resveratrol tablets.
--
Vilco
Think pink, drink rose'