Mark Lipton wrote:
> Recent changes made to Washington and Finger Lakes travel sections. As
> always, comments and corrections welcomed.
>
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>
> Alt.food.wine FAQ - Version 0.6

The website has been updated to version 0.6 of the FAQ and remains at
http://www.cwdjr.info/wine/FAQ.php . If you find any errors in how I
translated Mark Lipton's FAQ post to the web, please let me know here.
However, if you want some changes in content made or want to add
something new, please contact Mark Lipton.

cwdjrxyz wrote:

> The website has been updated to version 0.6 of the FAQ and remains at
> http://www.cwdjr.info/wine/FAQ.php . If you find any errors in how I
> translated Mark Lipton's FAQ post to the web, please let me know here.
> However, if you want some changes in content made or want to add
> something new, please contact Mark Lipton.
>

One minor correction: in the Washington travel section, the link to the
NWWines website is incorrectly labeled as "Willamette Wines."

Thanks for all the work!
Mark Lipton

Mark Lipton wrote:

> One minor correction: in the Washington travel section, the link to the
> NWWines website is incorrectly labeled as "Willamette Wines."

This has been corrected. I keep the site backed up on the computer in
case there is a problem with the server that causes data loss. I can
supply you with either a CD of the backup or put it up for ftp
download, using your ftp agent, in case you need it. When the site is
complete, I would like to supply a backup copy to one or more other
people associated with the group so that it is not lost if I become
unavailable.

cwdjrxyz wrote:

> The website has been updated to version 0.6 of the FAQ and remains at
> http://www.cwdjr.info/wine/FAQ.php . If you find any errors in how I
> translated Mark Lipton's FAQ post to the web, please let me know here.
> However, if you want some changes in content made or want to add
> something new, please contact Mark Lipton.

One other thing I've noted: Google doesn't index the site, although
other sites in your domain are indexed. Is this intentional?

Mark Lipton

Mark Lipton wrote:
> cwdjrxyz wrote:
>
> > The website has been updated to version 0.6 of the FAQ and remains at
> > http://www.cwdjr.info/wine/FAQ.php . If you find any errors in how I
> > translated Mark Lipton's FAQ post to the web, please let me know here.
> > However, if you want some changes in content made or want to add
> > something new, please contact Mark Lipton.
>
> One other thing I've noted: Google doesn't index the site, although
> other sites in your domain are indexed. Is this intentional?

My first post did not show, so if there are 2 posts, that is the
problem.

My domains are both set up so that you must have a specific page, or
sometimes directory, url to get in. Try http://www.cwdjr.net/ and
http://www.cwdjr.info/ . Thus search engine bots are locked out from
doing a general domain search. The reason is that I have a large amount
of media that uses up to several Gb per page, and I do not want to
support the huge bandwidth that could result if these pages could be
found without knowing the complete page url. However, if you will
search while signed into the group for posts in that group, using the
general domain url, then some references will come up. These sometimes
creep into the general search engine files with time. If this becomes a
problem, once the FAQ site is nearly complete, I may be able to put the
FAQ on a separate subdomain that will allow full indexing. This would
cost me no more, and I am entitled to about 3 of these lower level
domains on my host's plan.

Mark Lipton wrote:
> cwdjrxyz wrote:
>
> > The website has been updated to version 0.6 of the FAQ and remains at
> > http://www.cwdjr.info/wine/FAQ.php . If you find any errors in how I
> > translated Mark Lipton's FAQ post to the web, please let me know here.
> > However, if you want some changes in content made or want to add
> > something new, please contact Mark Lipton.
>
> One other thing I've noted: Google doesn't index the site, although
> other sites in your domain are indexed. Is this intentional?

Yes. It depends on how you search. I have a lot of private media on my
sites that use a huge amount of bandwidth. I do not want all of the
excessive bandwidth that results from these media pages coming up in a
general site search. Thus, I have set up so that you cannot get into
the site unless you know a specifc directory or page. Try to directly
get into my domains using http://www.cwdjr.net/ or
http://www.cwdjr.info/ . You will get a message that they are private
sites and "Bye". Even adding the directory level usually is not enough.
This is likely why you can not get in on a Google search, as I won't
let their search bots in the front door to do a general search of all
of my directories and pages. However, when signed into this group, you
will find that some of the specific pages concerning wine come up in a
Google group search(at least when you use Google Groups to read the
group), because the url was mentioned in some thread. After a time,
some of these NG page references sometimes creep into general search
engine searches; sometimes not.

I might be able to set up a special subdomain that will let search
engines in the front door for it. After the FAQ site is more complete,
this might be something to think about.

cwdjrxyz wrote:
> Thus search engine bots are locked out from
> doing a general domain search.[...] If this becomes a
> problem, once the FAQ site is nearly complete, I may be able to put the
> FAQ on a separate subdomain that will allow full indexing. This would
> cost me no more, and I am entitled to about 3 of these lower level
> domains on my host's plan.
>

I don't foresee a problem. Once the FAQ reaches a stable version, I'll
start auto-posting it, probably once monthly, and post a mini-FAQ on a
weekly basis. In both posts, I'll link to the website so that should
help increase traffic to it. Also, IIRC, Google works by following
links on other sites, so as links to it appear elsewhere, Google should
start indexing it.

Mark Lipton

Mark Lipton wrote:
> cwdjrxyz wrote:
> > Thus search engine bots are locked out from
> > doing a general domain search.[...] If this becomes a
> > problem, once the FAQ site is nearly complete, I may be able to put the
> > FAQ on a separate subdomain that will allow full indexing. This would
> > cost me no more, and I am entitled to about 3 of these lower level
> > domains on my host's plan.
> >
>
> I don't foresee a problem. Once the FAQ reaches a stable version, I'll
> start auto-posting it, probably once monthly, and post a mini-FAQ on a
> weekly basis. In both posts, I'll link to the website so that should
> help increase traffic to it. Also, IIRC, Google works by following
> links on other sites, so as links to it appear elsewhere, Google should
> start indexing it.

I checked the hits at the server. We got a lot in Sept and Oct when the
development of the FAQs was very active, but not many in Nov when there
was a lull in adding new FAQs. Thus I assume most of the hits were
coming from people who were reading the group.

I have just created a new domain just for the FAQs. This is a third
level domain that depends on the general domain of my host, and cost me
nothing extra. It will take up to about a week for the domain name to
propagate around the world. However it can be reached now using
numbers. You can see this site by going to http://72.41.212.112/ .
Within several days you can use the name of wineFAQ.hostexcellence.com
instead of the numbers. This site allows full access of the pages to
search engine bots. In several days, after the names can be used
instead of numbers, I can submit the site to 13 search engines from the
control panel of my host's server with the click of one button. The old
site will stay up for a while, and finally a redirect to the new site
will be used.

It is nearly frightening how easy it is to create a new domain - it
took me about a minute. My host will cut you off if you use it for
spam, porn, or illegal activities in general. However there are hosts
in some parts of the world who do not care what you put up as long as
they get paid, and they may be rather expensive if they allow spam,
porn, etc sites. They can delete an old domain and create a new one in
about one minute when too many ISPs block the old domain.

Mike Tommasi wrote:
> Mark Lipton wrote:
> > cwdjrxyz wrote:
> >
> >> The website has been updated to version 0.6 of the FAQ and remains at
> >> http://www.cwdjr.info/wine/FAQ.php . If you find any errors in how I
> >> translated Mark Lipton's FAQ post to the web, please let me know here.
> >> However, if you want some changes in content made or want to add
> >> something new, please contact Mark Lipton.
> >
> > One other thing I've noted: Google doesn't index the site, although
> > other sites in your domain are indexed. Is this intentional?
>
>
> While I appreciate the very formal xhtml of the page (yes it passes
> validation!), one thing that might help is to fill in the title tag,
> which currently contains ".php" (this is what displays on the top of the
> browser window!)... A real title may help with getting a more meaningful
> indexing when that comes...

Thanks. The title got lost at some revision, likely when I was changing
it. This has now been corrected. The index page for the new domain is
under construction. It is loaded with meta tags containing key words,
etc for search engine bots to pick up. Many now look more at titles and
a bit of text rather than just meta tags.

cwdjrxyz wrote:

> I have just created a new domain just for the FAQs. This is a third
> level domain that depends on the general domain of my host, and cost me
> nothing extra. It will take up to about a week for the domain name to
> propagate around the world. However it can be reached now using
> numbers. You can see this site by going to http://72.41.212.112/ .

The name of the site, that is http://wineFAQ.hostexcellence.com/ ,has
now taken effect for me, but it may not yet for some of you. This
association of a name with the numbers can take place at different
times in different parts of the US and other countries around the
world. You enter at a standard index page that now includes only the
FAQ pages as on the original domain.

works for me----great job
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>
> cwdjrxyz wrote:
>
> > I have just created a new domain just for the FAQs. This is a third
> > level domain that depends on the general domain of my host, and cost me
> > nothing extra. It will take up to about a week for the domain name to
> > propagate around the world. However it can be reached now using
> > numbers. You can see this site by going to http://72.41.212.112/ .
>
> The name of the site, that is http://wineFAQ.hostexcellence.com/ ,has
> now taken effect for me, but it may not yet for some of you. This
> association of a name with the numbers can take place at different
> times in different parts of the US and other countries around the
> world. You enter at a standard index page that now includes only the
> FAQ pages as on the original domain.
>