For the January meeting of SOBER (Several Oenophiles Being Extremely
Rambunctious) Mark Golodetz arranged a feast at the excellent Central
Seafood in Hartsdale. This was a "bring the spouse/date and kids"
event, but Betsy was in NC for concerts. A fine time was had by all,
however, with excellent food, bubbly, and company. The restuarant did
a fine job, with at least 15 courses, including assorted dim sum,
lobster, crab, shrimp.oysters (biggest I've ever seen) in black bean
sauce, halibut, duck, chicken, pork chops, baby bok choy, and more. I
think the consensus favorite dish was probably the jalapeno shrimp (not
really spicy, but a great combo with the bigger bubblies). The food was
chosen as a match to Champagne, it did well, especially with the
rosés.

(note: my tastes in Champagne don't seem to mesh with the majority, and
certainly didn't last night. While all notes are subjective, take these
with an extra grain- nay, an extra Dead Sea of salt. No one else who
attended would agree!)

2000 Huet Vouray Petillant
My favorite alternative to Champagne. Baked apple flavors with a chalky
minerality on the finish. Some find a metallic note, but I don't.
Young, but tasty. B+

NV Mont-Ferrant Rosé
Quite a nice cava, with a rather amazing deep color. Crushed berry
flavors, nice length for the level, very food friendly. B+/B

Taittinger "Nocture" Sec Champagne
Someone had said this should be dessert, but I was glad it was served
where it was. It's just a tad sweet (I thought sec was sweeter than
Extra Dry, but to my tastes this is drier than say Moet White Star),
but with good acidity. Lemon and apple fruit. Matched well with the
shark fin dumpling. I liked, but not enough to put on a buy list (think
others liked more than I). B

1988 Lasalle Blanc de Blancs
Nose is a rather complex melange of white fruit, vanilla, and hazelnut,
But I found this a little disappointing and short on palate. Others
liked far better. B/B-

Taittinger "Brut Prestige" Rosé Champagne
I think this was the clearest case where I liked more than table. For a
NV pink bubbly I thought this was a delightful combination of lightness
and length. Pretty red berries, toasted brioche, a bit of mineral. One
of the better values B+/A-

1998 Heidseick Diamant Rosé
(note" I'm not sure which of the 2 Heidseick houses this is)
Cool looking bottle, this rosé is a rather funny peachy color. Orange,
lime zest, and a nice whiff of smoke. B+

1982 Krug
As a fan of lighter styled Champagne, Krug has never been a favorite.
This didn't change that, but I really felt that I could see what the
attraction was, even if I didn't share it. Nutty, with apple/"Brown
Betty" flavors, spice, and very done Parker House rolls. Lots of
complexity, just not my style (though I liked this better than the
1990). B

1990 Veuve Cliquot "La Grande Dame"
I initially liked better than its Krug flightmate, but a revisit didn't
bear that out. The fruit seemed quite fresh, and there was a delectable
doughy note at first. But my second taste seemed a bit pedestrian for a
tete de cuvee, I liked but wasn't wowwed. B

1998 Billecart-Salmon "Cuvee Elisabeth Salmon" Rose Champagne
I admit to a prejudice towards the Champagne I brought. After it turned
out I had drunk the wine I had intended to bring ('90 Pol Roger rose),
I only had one cellared wine that seemed to be up to the level needed.
But I didn't like that wine ('96 La Grande Dame) very much on a
previous taste, so went out and splurged to get this because the 1989
version was my favorite rosé Champagne ever. This was only a quarter
step behind the '89, with dried cherry and citrus zest, chalk, and
buttermilk biscuits. Elegant, lively, and lovely. A-

1999 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne Rose
I also liked this a lot. Again, a combination of power and delicacy I
really liked. Cranapple and cherry flavors, Grandma's in the kitchen
baking yeast rolls. A-/B+

Very fun night, if only Betsy could have attended. Thanks to Mark for
organizing!

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

"DaleW" > wrote:

> 1998 Heidseick Diamant Rosé
> (note" I'm not sure which of the 2 Heidseick houses this is)

In fact there are three major Heidsieck houses:

Heidsieck & Co. "Monopole"
Piper-Heidsieck
Charles Heidsieck

Diamant is the cuvée de prestige from the first, their basic
quaffer being "Red Top".

M.

"DaleW" > wrote:

> For the January meeting of SOBER (Several Oenophiles Being
> Extremely Rambunctious) Mark Golodetz arranged a feast at the
> excellent Central Seafood in Hartsdale.

Hey, you know Mark?! Such a small world - the next time you meet
him, send him kindest regards.

M.

Thanks Michael, I knew it wasn't Piper-H but can never keep other 2
straight.
Will certainly see Mark at the SOBER Haut-Brion dinner next month if
not before, will pass on your regards.

Michael Pronay wrote:
> "DaleW" > wrote:
>
> > 1998 Heidseick Diamant Rosé
> > (note" I'm not sure which of the 2 Heidseick houses this is)
>
> In fact there are three major Heidsieck houses:
>
> Heidsieck & Co. "Monopole"
> Piper-Heidsieck
> Charles Heidsieck
>
> Diamant is the cuvée de prestige from the first, their basic
> quaffer being "Red Top".
>
> M.

"DaleW" > wrote:

> Will certainly see Mark at the SOBER Haut-Brion dinner next
> month if not before, will pass on your regards.

Thanks a lot!

M.

"DaleW" > wrote:

> Will certainly see Mark at the SOBER Haut-Brion dinner next
> month if not before, will pass on your regards.

Thanks a lot!

Btw, do you know Mark's theory of the semi-virtual existence of
Chateau Ausone? Ask him about this ... ;-)

M.

In article . com>,
"DaleW" > wrote:

> For the January meeting of SOBER (Several Oenophiles Being Extremely
> Rambunctious) Mark Golodetz arranged a feast at the excellent Central
> Seafood in Hartsdale. This was a "bring the spouse/date and kids"
> event, but Betsy was in NC for concerts. A fine time was had by all,
> however, with excellent food, bubbly, and company. The restuarant did
> a fine job, with at least 15 courses, including assorted dim sum,
> lobster, crab, shrimp.oysters (biggest I've ever seen) in black bean
> sauce, halibut, duck, chicken, pork chops, baby bok choy, and more. I
> think the consensus favorite dish was probably the jalapeno shrimp (not
> really spicy, but a great combo with the bigger bubblies). The food was
> chosen as a match to Champagne, it did well, especially with the
> rosés.
>
> (note: my tastes in Champagne don't seem to mesh with the majority, and
> certainly didn't last night. While all notes are subjective, take these
> with an extra grain- nay, an extra Dead Sea of salt. No one else who
> attended would agree!)
>
> 2000 Huet Vouray Petillant
> My favorite alternative to Champagne. Baked apple flavors with a chalky
> minerality on the finish. Some find a metallic note, but I don't.
> Young, but tasty. B+
>
> NV Mont-Ferrant Rosé
> Quite a nice cava, with a rather amazing deep color. Crushed berry
> flavors, nice length for the level, very food friendly. B+/B
>
> Taittinger "Nocture" Sec Champagne
> Someone had said this should be dessert, but I was glad it was served
> where it was. It's just a tad sweet (I thought sec was sweeter than
> Extra Dry, but to my tastes this is drier than say Moet White Star),
> but with good acidity. Lemon and apple fruit. Matched well with the
> shark fin dumpling. I liked, but not enough to put on a buy list (think
> others liked more than I). B
>
> 1988 Lasalle Blanc de Blancs
> Nose is a rather complex melange of white fruit, vanilla, and hazelnut,
> But I found this a little disappointing and short on palate. Others
> liked far better. B/B-
>
> Taittinger "Brut Prestige" Rosé Champagne
> I think this was the clearest case where I liked more than table. For a
> NV pink bubbly I thought this was a delightful combination of lightness
> and length. Pretty red berries, toasted brioche, a bit of mineral. One
> of the better values B+/A-
>
> 1998 Heidseick Diamant Rosé
> (note" I'm not sure which of the 2 Heidseick houses this is)
> Cool looking bottle, this rosé is a rather funny peachy color. Orange,
> lime zest, and a nice whiff of smoke. B+
>
> 1982 Krug
> As a fan of lighter styled Champagne, Krug has never been a favorite.
> This didn't change that, but I really felt that I could see what the
> attraction was, even if I didn't share it. Nutty, with apple/"Brown
> Betty" flavors, spice, and very done Parker House rolls. Lots of
> complexity, just not my style (though I liked this better than the
> 1990). B
>
> 1990 Veuve Cliquot "La Grande Dame"
> I initially liked better than its Krug flightmate, but a revisit didn't
> bear that out. The fruit seemed quite fresh, and there was a delectable
> doughy note at first. But my second taste seemed a bit pedestrian for a
> tete de cuvee, I liked but wasn't wowwed. B
>
> 1998 Billecart-Salmon "Cuvee Elisabeth Salmon" Rose Champagne
> I admit to a prejudice towards the Champagne I brought. After it turned
> out I had drunk the wine I had intended to bring ('90 Pol Roger rose),
> I only had one cellared wine that seemed to be up to the level needed.
> But I didn't like that wine ('96 La Grande Dame) very much on a
> previous taste, so went out and splurged to get this because the 1989
> version was my favorite rosé Champagne ever. This was only a quarter
> step behind the '89, with dried cherry and citrus zest, chalk, and
> buttermilk biscuits. Elegant, lively, and lovely. A-
>
> 1999 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne Rose
> I also liked this a lot. Again, a combination of power and delicacy I
> really liked. Cranapple and cherry flavors, Grandma's in the kitchen
> baking yeast rolls. A-/B+
>
> Very fun night, if only Betsy could have attended. Thanks to Mark for
> organizing!
>
> Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
> wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
> drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
> promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

I surely have to agree with Billecart-Salmon as it is always the top of
my list though I have fonder memories of Krug than you.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:43:47 -0500
Lawrence Leichtman > wrote:

> In article . com>,
> "DaleW" > wrote:
>
> > For the January meeting of SOBER (Several Oenophiles Being Extremely
> > Rambunctious) Mark Golodetz arranged a feast at the excellent Central
> > Seafood in Hartsdale. This was a "bring the spouse/date and kids"
[]
> > 1998 Billecart-Salmon "Cuvee Elisabeth Salmon" Rose Champagne
> > I admit to a prejudice towards the Champagne I brought. After it turned
> > out I had drunk the wine I had intended to bring ('90 Pol Roger rose),
> > I only had one cellared wine that seemed to be up to the level needed.
> > But I didn't like that wine ('96 La Grande Dame) very much on a
> > previous taste, so went out and splurged to get this because the 1989
> > version was my favorite ros_ Champagne ever. This was only a quarter
> > step behind the '89, with dried cherry and citrus zest, chalk, and
> > buttermilk biscuits. Elegant, lively, and lovely. A-
> >
[]
> I surely have to agree with Billecart-Salmon as it is always the top of
> my list though I have fonder memories of Krug than you.

Another chime in for Billecart-Salmon Rosé. One of our favorites.

-E

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