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![]() Like most wine enthusuasts, I have developed some preferences over the years of selections from California, Washington State, Chile, etc., that are reasonably priced and that I nearly always like, and that are widely available. (I like reds, particularly Cabernets, and find that I nearly always like selections from Simi, Sterling, and a number of others, and in lower price ranges, Columbia Crest and Turning Leaf, and the like. I also like many French wines, but find it's difficult to select a good French wine at good value because of the many choices. So, I would appreciate suggestions for French Bordeaux, or others, that would be commonly available (produced in fairly large quantities) and preferably priced under $25 for a Bordeaux, or less for Rhones, etc. I have particularly enjoyed several Bordeaux wines, but find that I cannot depend on selecting a good one at a reasonable price unless I research the issue first (and when I do look up likely choices in WS or Parkers or Wine Enthusiast, I often find that they aren't available locally.) Does anyone have suggestions for Second or Third growth Bordeaux that are plentiful, and commonly available, usually OK in most vintages, and priced under $25? Thanks, Jim |
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On Mar 28, 10:21�am, JimC > wrote:
> Like most wine enthusuasts, I have developed some preferences over the > years of selections from California, Washington State, Chile, etc., that > are reasonably priced and that I nearly always like, and that are widely > available. (I like reds, particularly Cabernets, and find that I nearly > always like selections from Simi, Sterling, and a number of others, and > in lower price ranges, Columbia Crest and Turning Leaf, and the like. *I > also like many French wines, but find it's difficult to select a good > French wine at good value because of the many choices. So, I would > appreciate suggestions for French Bordeaux, or others, that would be > commonly available (produced in fairly large quantities) and preferably > priced under $25 for a Bordeaux, or less for Rhones, etc. > > I have particularly enjoyed several Bordeaux wines, but find that I > cannot depend on selecting a good one at a reasonable price unless I > research the issue first (and when I do look up likely choices in WS or > Parkers or Wine Enthusiast, I often find that they aren't available > locally.) Does anyone have suggestions for Second or Third growth > Bordeaux that are plentiful, and commonly available, usually OK in most > vintages, and priced under $25? > > Thanks, > Jim I don't think there is much of anything left of 2nd or 3rd growths priced under $25. Last I bought under $25 was 2002 Lagrange. But there are some fairly dependable 5th, Cru Bourgeois, St Emilions, less Pomerols, satellite wines: d'Aiguilhe (Cotes de Castillon) Bourgneuf or de Sales (Pomerol) Chasse Spleen (Moulis) Les Fiefs de Lagrange (St Julien) (this is a second, but usually quite quaffable) Gloria (St Julien) Grand Corbin Despagne (St Emilion) La Louviere (Pessac-Leognan) >From Rhone the Charvin or d'Andezon CdRs are usually good. Graillot's Croze (though prices on rise). I have favorites in Burgundy. Loire, Languedoc, etc too, but tastes are very individual- if you don't like Loire Cab Franc, useless. |
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On Mar 28, 10:21 am, JimC > wrote:
> Like most wine enthusuasts, I have developed some preferences over the > years of selections from California, Washington State, Chile, etc., that > are reasonably priced and that I nearly always like, and that are widely > available. (I like reds, particularly Cabernets, and find that I nearly > always like selections from Simi, Sterling, and a number of others, and > in lower price ranges, Columbia Crest and Turning Leaf, and the like. I > also like many French wines, but find it's difficult to select a good > French wine at good value because of the many choices. So, I would > appreciate suggestions for French Bordeaux, or others, that would be > commonly available (produced in fairly large quantities) and preferably > priced under $25 for a Bordeaux, or less for Rhones, etc. > > I have particularly enjoyed several Bordeaux wines, but find that I > cannot depend on selecting a good one at a reasonable price unless I > research the issue first (and when I do look up likely choices in WS or > Parkers or Wine Enthusiast, I often find that they aren't available > locally.) Does anyone have suggestions for Second or Third growth > Bordeaux that are plentiful, and commonly available, usually OK in most > vintages, and priced under $25? > > Thanks, > Jim Good F_____ wines tend to higher prices than that, so it's a tough job. Your best bet is probably to check with wine magazines on a regular basis. |
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On Mar 28, 10:48?am, "DaleW" > wrote:
> On Mar 28, 10:21?am, JimC > wrote: > > > > > > > Like most wine enthusuasts, I have developed some preferences over the > > years of selections from California, Washington State, Chile, etc., that > > are reasonably priced and that I nearly always like, and that are widely > > available. (I like reds, particularly Cabernets, and find that I nearly > > always like selections from Simi, Sterling, and a number of others, and > > in lower price ranges, Columbia Crest and Turning Leaf, and the like. ?I > > also like many French wines, but find it's difficult to select a good > > French wine at good value because of the many choices. So, I would > > appreciate suggestions for French Bordeaux, or others, that would be > > commonly available (produced in fairly large quantities) and preferably > > priced under $25 for a Bordeaux, or less for Rhones, etc. > > > I have particularly enjoyed several Bordeaux wines, but find that I > > cannot depend on selecting a good one at a reasonable price unless I > > research the issue first (and when I do look up likely choices in WS or > > Parkers or Wine Enthusiast, I often find that they aren't available > > locally.) Does anyone have suggestions for Second or Third growth > > Bordeaux that are plentiful, and commonly available, usually OK in most > > vintages, and priced under $25? > > > Thanks, > > Jim > > I don't think there is much of anything left of 2nd or 3rd growths > priced under $25. Last I bought under $25 was 2002 Lagrange. > > But there are some fairly dependable 5th, Cru Bourgeois, St Emilions, > less Pomerols, satellite wines: > > d'Aiguilhe (Cotes de Castillon) > Bourgneuf or de Sales (Pomerol) > Chasse Spleen (Moulis) > Les Fiefs de Lagrange (St Julien) (this is a second, but usually quite > quaffable) > Gloria (St Julien) > Grand Corbin Despagne (St Emilion) > La Louviere (Pessac-Leognan) > > >From Rhone the Charvin or d'Andezon CdRs are usually good. Graillot's > > Croze (though prices on rise). > > I have favorites in Burgundy. Loire, Languedoc, etc too, but tastes > are very individual- if you don't like Loire Cab Franc, useless.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I realized I said some 5ths, then didn't list any. Lynch Moussas and Cantemerle are 2 5th that are usually under $25, and usually dependable. I mentioned 2002 Lagrange as a 3rd that was under $25, sometimes Ch. d'Issan or La Lagune are also under $25. But not in hyped vintages. |
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ups.com: > > I realized I said some 5ths, then didn't list any. Lynch Moussas and > Cantemerle are 2 5th that are usually under $25, and usually > dependable. La Tour Carnet is another 5th growth that could be below 25 euros (it is 18 euros in Spain). Santiago |
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On Mar 28, 10:32 pm, (Hunt) wrote:
> > The use of a good wine shop cannot be measured by a few $ markup over a > supermarket. Go with the expertise and be willing to pay a bit for it. > Would that I could find a good wine shop with a knowledgeable expert. I would pay a few $ markup, but not a lot. Any 'good' wine shops I have been, the salespersons seem pretty intimidating to me once they find I know nothing. I find usually what I like by buying blindly. It's been a road well-traveled though. I live in the area of Fairfax, VA -- don't go as far as D.C. -- got the name of a wine store for me/us? Thanks, so much. Dee Dee |
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The "good" wine stores in VA, DC, and MD tend to be less expensive
than supermarkets and chains(total beverage). balducci's has a great selection of high end, but............ the easiest dc store to reach is probably addi bassens macarthur liquors. they are very knowledgeable and have a fabulous selection,, but are very busy. last time there, they were too busy to wait on me as I was only purchasing 8 cases of better German Riesling. in VA, there is unwined in shirlington, arrow wine 4508 lee highway, cecile on chain bridge rd. I am not familiar with the stores in far no VA. the best place that I know of in the area to get excellent personal attention is Silesia Liquors in Ft. Washington MD. it's worth the drive to get the personal attention and the wealth of knowledge available there. >>> The use of a good wine shop cannot be measured by a few $ markup over a >>> supermarket. Go with the expertise and be willing to pay a bit for it. >>> >>Would that I could find a good wine shop with a knowledgeable expert. >>I would pay a few $ markup, but not a lot. >> >>Any 'good' wine shops I have been, the salespersons seem pretty >>intimidating to me once they find I know nothing. I find usually what >>I like by buying blindly. It's been a road well-traveled though. >> >> >>I live in the area of Fairfax, VA -- don't go as far as D.C. -- got >>the name of a wine store for me/us? >>Thanks, so much. >>Dee Dee > >Dee Dee, > >I do not, but several of the subscribers here are from the Mid-Atlantic area, >and I'll bet that they do. > >Also, do not be intimidated by the staff. They all once knew nothing about >wine, as well. A good salesperson will remember that point in their lives, and >help you along the journey. (As an aside: I find that many salespeople STILL >know nothing about wine, but try to cover that up. Leave those people behind!) > >Hunt |
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![]() Hunt wrote: > In article > , > says... > >> >>Like most wine enthusuasts, I have developed some preferences over the >>years of selections from California, Washington State, Chile, etc., that >>are reasonably priced and that I nearly always like, and that are widely >>available. (I like reds, particularly Cabernets, and find that I nearly >>always like selections from Simi, Sterling, and a number of others, and >>in lower price ranges, Columbia Crest and Turning Leaf, and the like. I >>also like many French wines, but find it's difficult to select a good >>French wine at good value because of the many choices. So, I would >>appreciate suggestions for French Bordeaux, or others, that would be >>commonly available (produced in fairly large quantities) and preferably >>priced under $25 for a Bordeaux, or less for Rhones, etc. >> >>I have particularly enjoyed several Bordeaux wines, but find that I >>cannot depend on selecting a good one at a reasonable price unless I >>research the issue first (and when I do look up likely choices in WS or >>Parkers or Wine Enthusiast, I often find that they aren't available >>locally.) Does anyone have suggestions for Second or Third growth >>Bordeaux that are plentiful, and commonly available, usually OK in most >>vintages, and priced under $25? >> >>Thanks, >>Jim > > > Jim, > > Take your thoughts, above, to a good wine shop, that handles both US/domestic > and FR wines. Talk to them about what they have in stock. Not knowing where > you are located (and, even then, we might not have a clue, as to what is > available in, say Pierre, SD), we could list dozens of good Bdx. near your > price-point, but then you would likely be faced with the same problem - > availability. > > Take some of the suggestions with you, and see if the retailer has any, or has > some that he/she feels are similar. > > In Phoenix, AZ, USA, I might well not be able to find some of the suggested > wines, and this is a town of 4M people! I'd call up K&L (Redwood City, CA, > store) and ask Ralph Sands for HIS suggestions, but that might not be an > option for you. > > The use of a good wine shop cannot be measured by a few $ markup over a > supermarket. Go with the expertise and be willing to pay a bit for it. > > Hunt > Thanks. I should have explained that although I'm not an expert and am still in the learning stage, I'm not exactly a novice, since I've been a wine enthusuast for some 30 years. Over the years, I've tasted all the Bordeaux First Growths, although I can't often afford them at their current prices. I appreciate the answers to my two posts, and I'll try to locate some of the recommended wines. Thanks for your suggestions regarding getting to know a local wine merchant. I'm in the Houston area (which, of course, is almost at the outer fringes of civilization). We have four or five million people down here, and there are some good wine selections at a number of dealers. I'm fairly conversant with several of the wine specialists at our local Specs dealership, and I've had a number of discussions with them. They are always friendly and helpful, though perhaps not true wine experts. Our local Specs is in a former Krogers grocery store, which gives you some idea of its size, and there is a much larger "warehouse" dealer downtown. Jim |
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On Mar 30, 8:15 am, gerald > wrote:
> The "good" wine stores in VA, DC, and MD tend to be less expensive > than supermarkets and chains(total beverage). balducci's has a great > selection of high end, but............ > > in VA, there is unwined in shirlington, arrow wine 4508 lee highway, > cecile on chain bridge rd. > Noted & Saved - I can probably get to these in a couple of trips I HAVE to make to DC this Spring. I am surprised to hear you say that total beverage is a little more expensive -- I would not have known that. Generally I just look-see- buy in a certain price range -- mostly Italian wines - DH will buy a French or two, usually at Trader Joe's always on the cheap side, and tastes that way to me, too. Looking forward to a trip to a new wine store. Thanks again. Dee Dee |
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On Mar 28, 11:23 pm, "Dee Dee" > wrote:
> On Mar 28, 10:32 pm, (Hunt) wrote: > > > > > The use of a good wine shop cannot be measured by a few $ markup over a > > supermarket. Go with the expertise and be willing to pay a bit for it. > > Would that I could find a good wine shop with a knowledgeable expert. > I would pay a few $ markup, but not a lot. > > Any 'good' wine shops I have been, the salespersons seem pretty > intimidating to me once they find I know nothing. I find usually what > I like by buying blindly. It's been a road well-traveled though. > > I live in the area of Fairfax, VA -- don't go as far as D.C. -- got > the name of a wine store for me/us? > Thanks, so much. > Dee Dee Hi Dee Dee, where in Fairfax VA? I lived for most of my life in McLean, before moving to Florida. I went to George Mason University in Fairfax. |
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On Mar 31, 9:40 pm, "Gary Childress" > wrote:
> On Mar 28, 11:23 pm, "Dee Dee" > wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 10:32 pm, (Hunt) wrote: > > > > The use of a good wine shop cannot be measured by a few $ markup over a > > > supermarket. Go with the expertise and be willing to pay a bit for it. > > > Would that I could find a good wine shop with a knowledgeable expert. > > I would pay a few $ markup, but not a lot. > > > Any 'good' wine shops I have been, the salespersons seem pretty > > intimidating to me once they find I know nothing. I find usually what > > I like by buying blindly. It's been a road well-traveled though. > > > I live in the area of Fairfax, VA -- don't go as far as D.C. -- got > > the name of a wine store for me/us? > > Thanks, so much. > > Dee Dee > > Hi Dee Dee, where in Fairfax VA? I lived for most of my life in > McLean, before moving to Florida. I went to George Mason University > in Fairfax.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Gary, I shop in Fairfax, which is about 60-70 miles from where I live. I'm a country gal. I've traveled the world, but never been to Florida, with exception of the Miami airport. Yep, no Disneyland! Though, most Virginians can't wait to move to Florida. I moved away from the area when I became an adult to the west coast, but late in life "came home again" to Virginia. Frankly, I don't know what I'm doing here when the snow flies. But, Virginia works for me. All that Florida good weather is sort of frightening. :-))) |
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If you stay away from Bordeaux, Burgundy, the Rhone---there are lots of good
wines made by artisans for under $25" Languedoc, Provence. the Loire are all appellations to look for even in Columbus Ohio "JimC" > wrote in message news ![]() > > > Hunt wrote: > > > In article > , > > says... > > > >> > >>Like most wine enthusuasts, I have developed some preferences over the > >>years of selections from California, Washington State, Chile, etc., that > >>are reasonably priced and that I nearly always like, and that are widely > >>available. (I like reds, particularly Cabernets, and find that I nearly > >>always like selections from Simi, Sterling, and a number of others, and > >>in lower price ranges, Columbia Crest and Turning Leaf, and the like. I > >>also like many French wines, but find it's difficult to select a good > >>French wine at good value because of the many choices. So, I would > >>appreciate suggestions for French Bordeaux, or others, that would be > >>commonly available (produced in fairly large quantities) and preferably > >>priced under $25 for a Bordeaux, or less for Rhones, etc. > >> > >>I have particularly enjoyed several Bordeaux wines, but find that I > >>cannot depend on selecting a good one at a reasonable price unless I > >>research the issue first (and when I do look up likely choices in WS or > >>Parkers or Wine Enthusiast, I often find that they aren't available > >>locally.) Does anyone have suggestions for Second or Third growth > >>Bordeaux that are plentiful, and commonly available, usually OK in most > >>vintages, and priced under $25? > >> > >>Thanks, > >>Jim > > > > > > Jim, > > > > Take your thoughts, above, to a good wine shop, that handles both US/domestic > > and FR wines. Talk to them about what they have in stock. Not knowing where > > you are located (and, even then, we might not have a clue, as to what is > > available in, say Pierre, SD), we could list dozens of good Bdx. near your > > price-point, but then you would likely be faced with the same problem - > > availability. > > > > Take some of the suggestions with you, and see if the retailer has any, or has > > some that he/she feels are similar. > > > > In Phoenix, AZ, USA, I might well not be able to find some of the suggested > > wines, and this is a town of 4M people! I'd call up K&L (Redwood City, CA, > > store) and ask Ralph Sands for HIS suggestions, but that might not be an > > option for you. > > > > The use of a good wine shop cannot be measured by a few $ markup over a > > supermarket. Go with the expertise and be willing to pay a bit for it. > > > > Hunt > > > > Thanks. I should have explained that although I'm not an expert and am > still in the learning stage, I'm not exactly a novice, since I've been a > wine enthusuast for some 30 years. Over the years, I've tasted all the > Bordeaux First Growths, although I can't often afford them at their > current prices. I appreciate the answers to my two posts, and I'll try > to locate some of the recommended wines. > > Thanks for your suggestions regarding getting to know a local wine > merchant. I'm in the Houston area (which, of course, is almost at the > outer fringes of civilization). We have four or five million people down > here, and there are some good wine selections at a number of dealers. > I'm fairly conversant with several of the wine specialists at our local > Specs dealership, and I've had a number of discussions with them. They > are always friendly and helpful, though perhaps not true wine experts. > Our local Specs is in a former Krogers grocery store, which gives you > some idea of its size, and there is a much larger "warehouse" dealer > downtown. > > Jim |
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Some top stores, Maryland, DC:
State Line Wells Calvert Pinehurst Eddies Old Vines Wine Merchant Jasons Rips Silesia DC Calvert Woodley Macarthur's Rodman's Chevy Chase Mcgruders Va: Arrowine I'm sure I missed quite a few---all these have knowledgeable consumer friendly wnepersons eager to help educate you. "Lawrence Leichtman" > wrote in message ... > In article >, (Hunt) wrote: > > > In article . com>, > > says... > > > > > >On Mar 28, 10:32 pm, (Hunt) wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> The use of a good wine shop cannot be measured by a few $ markup over a > > >> supermarket. Go with the expertise and be willing to pay a bit for it. > > >> > > >Would that I could find a good wine shop with a knowledgeable expert. > > >I would pay a few $ markup, but not a lot. > > > > > >Any 'good' wine shops I have been, the salespersons seem pretty > > >intimidating to me once they find I know nothing. I find usually what > > >I like by buying blindly. It's been a road well-traveled though. > > > > > > > > >I live in the area of Fairfax, VA -- don't go as far as D.C. -- got > > >the name of a wine store for me/us? > > >Thanks, so much. > > >Dee Dee > > > > Dee Dee, > > > > I do not, but several of the subscribers here are from the Mid-Atlantic area, > > and I'll bet that they do. > > > > Also, do not be intimidated by the staff. They all once knew nothing about > > wine, as well. A good salesperson will remember that point in their lives, > > and > > help you along the journey. (As an aside: I find that many salespeople STILL > > know nothing about wine, but try to cover that up. Leave those people > > behind!) > > > > Hunt > > If you are intimidated you are in the wrong shop. There are several > excellent stores in Georgetown and Arlington where there are > knowledgeable and helpful staff. In fact, there are too many to list. > Northern Virginia/DC area is a great place to buy wine. |
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