I did some checking Dale wasn't wowed by the Lesec 2001 CdR but wondered if
anyone had any comments on this one. I can pick up a couple of bottles on
closeout but why buy if it's not worth @$18?


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On Aug 13, 4:47?pm, Joseph Coulter > wrote:
> I did some checking Dale wasn't wowed by the Lesec 2001 CdR but wondered if
> anyone had any comments on this one. I can pick up a couple of bottles on
> closeout but why buy if it's not worth @$18?
>
> --
> Joseph Coulter, cruises and vacationswww.josephcoulter.com
>
> 877 832 2021
> 904 631 8863 cell

Comments on CT seem mostly positive, but I don't know the tasters so
can't really correlate:
http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=14359

My lukewarm comments on the CdR were about value, I'd probably try the
CdP at $18 if I was confident re storage.

DaleW > wrote in
oups.com:

> On Aug 13, 4:47?pm, Joseph Coulter > wrote:
>> I did some checking Dale wasn't wowed by the Lesec 2001 CdR but
>> wondered if anyone had any comments on this one. I can pick up a
>> couple of bottles on closeout but why buy if it's not worth @$18?
>>
>> --
>> Joseph Coulter, cruises and vacationswww.josephcoulter.com
>>
>> 877 832 2021
>> 904 631 8863 cell
>
> Comments on CT seem mostly positive, but I don't know the tasters so
> can't really correlate:
> http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=14359
>
> My lukewarm comments on the CdR were about value, I'd probably try the
> CdP at $18 if I was confident re storage.
>
>

thanks Dale, I bought one but hesitate opening it just to know if I want to
buy three more. August in Florida is not the time for drinking big reds.

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Joseph Coulter, cruises and vacations
www.josephcoulter.com

877 832 2021
904 631 8863 cell

Joseph Coulter wrote:

> thanks Dale, I bought one but hesitate opening it just to know if I want to
> buy three more. August in Florida is not the time for drinking big reds.
>

Joseph,
I hate to be the curmudgeon of this discussion (actually, I revel in
my curmedugeonly tendencies if truth be known) but Patrick Lesec is
known for the oaky wines he produces. From all of your posts here, I
dare say that oaky CdP is not what you look for, so I would be prepared
to open a backup wine should this one prove not to be to your tastes.

Mark Lipton
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Mark Lipton > wrote in :

> Joseph Coulter wrote:
>
>> thanks Dale, I bought one but hesitate opening it just to know if I
>> want to buy three more. August in Florida is not the time for
>> drinking big reds.
>>
>
> Joseph,
> I hate to be the curmudgeon of this discussion (actually, I revel
> in
> my curmedugeonly tendencies if truth be known) but Patrick Lesec is
> known for the oaky wines he produces. From all of your posts here, I
> dare say that oaky CdP is not what you look for, so I would be
> prepared to open a backup wine should this one prove not to be to your
> tastes.
>
> Mark Lipton

Hoo boy rain on my parade, don't you just feel swell. Actually I really
appreciate the commnet, it is exactly what you don't always get from
promises of 91 point ratings (though I must admit that 90+points has in the
past often meant furniture!)

I think I will pass on the others and be content with my $7 find a 2003
Dolcetto di Diano d'Alba "Garabei" bottled by (note not produced, oh well
it is $7) Abrigo Giovanni. It was light and fruity. a bit acidic on the
finish in a sharp way but with a piece of chees (Reggiano) before dinner
and hamburger well I could have done worse.

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www.josephcoulter.com

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On Aug 13, 11:28 pm, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> Joseph Coulter wrote:
> > thanks Dale, I bought one but hesitate opening it just to know if I want to
> > buy three more. August in Florida is not the time for drinking big reds.
>
> Joseph,
> I hate to be the curmudgeon of this discussion (actually, I revel in
> my curmedugeonly tendencies if truth be known) but PatrickLesecis
> known for the oaky wines he produces. From all of your posts here, I
> dare say that oaky CdP is not what you look for, so I would be prepared
> to open a backup wine should this one prove not to be to your tastes.
>
> Mark Lipton
> --
> alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com

I don't really know Lesec, but the Rubis CdR didn't strike me as oaky,
just overpriced at $16. Never had the CdP, but shouldn't be oaky,
sounds like no new oak:

Reviews for 2001 Vintage
>From the Wine Advocate, #145 (Feb 2003): "Points: 91-94+. The
Chateauneuf du Pape Rubis is a blend of 95% Grenache and 5% Syrah aged
in equal parts tank and old wood barrels. All of this cuvee comes from
the famed La Crau sector. ... The dense ruby/purple-colored 2001 appears
to be a worthy rival. Exhibiting more garrigue, lavender, and ground
pepper notes in its black cherry, cassis, and plum-scented bouquet, it
is a full-bodied example with terrific purity, a multidimensional
palate feel, and a long, lusty, decadent finish. It will have 15+
years of aging potential." © The Wine Advocate

Don't always agree with Parker's reviews, but he's usually good re
details.

DaleW > wrote in
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> Reviews for 2001 Vintage
>>From the Wine Advocate, #145 (Feb 2003): "Points: 91-94+. The
> Chateauneuf du Pape Rubis is a blend of 95% Grenache and 5% Syrah aged
> in equal parts tank and old wood barrels. All of this cuvee comes from
> the famed La Crau sector. ... The dense ruby/purple-colored 2001
> appears to be a worthy rival. Exhibiting more garrigue, lavender, and
> ground pepper notes in its black cherry, cassis, and plum-scented
> bouquet, it is a full-bodied example with terrific purity, a
> multidimensional palate feel, and a long, lusty, decadent finish. It
> will have 15+ years of aging potential." © The Wine Advocate
>
> Don't always agree with Parker's reviews, but he's usually good re
> details.
>
>

OK OK I open it this week and give it a try. If i love it the four on the
shelf will be gone and if I don't it won't matter :-)

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Joseph Coulter, cruises and vacations
www.josephcoulter.com

877 832 2021
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DaleW wrote:

> I don't really know Lesec, but the Rubis CdR didn't strike me as oaky,
> just overpriced at $16. Never had the CdP, but shouldn't be oaky,
> sounds like no new oak:
<SNIP>

There you go again, Dale, confusing the discussion with FACTS! I really
don't know what we're going to do about this annoying tendency of yours
to substitute information for innuendo, insinuation and blind prejudice.

Mark Lipton
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