Please excuse the OT posting, but I haven't seen anything from Ian
here for many months. Is anyone in touch with him? I hope he's all
right?

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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:26:59 -0700
Ken Blake > wrote:

> Please excuse the OT posting, but I haven't seen anything from Ian
> here for many months. Is anyone in touch with him? I hope he's all
> right?
>

Hi Ken,

Ian's fine. I've been recently corresponded.

Sadly he has stopped posting on AFW, citing a general drop in
courtesy levels, but also a lack of relevance to the drinking habits
of those of us in France. I sometimes share this view.

It would be great if Ian would rejoin us.

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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:26:39 +0200
Emery Davis > wrote:

> I've been recently corresponded.

Is this a sentence in English? Sorry an extra 'been' seems
to have hung about.

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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:26:39 +0200, Emery Davis
> wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:26:59 -0700
> Ken Blake > wrote:
>
> > Please excuse the OT posting, but I haven't seen anything from Ian
> > here for many months. Is anyone in touch with him? I hope he's all
> > right?
> >
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Ian's fine. I've been recently corresponded.


Great, glad to hear it.


> Sadly he has stopped posting on AFW, citing a general drop in
> courtesy levels, but also a lack of relevance to the drinking habits
> of those of us in France. I sometimes share this view.


Sorry he's stopped, but I certainly understand his point about
courtesy levels.


> It would be great if Ian would rejoin us.


I think so too.

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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 23:11:54 +0200, Emery Davis
> wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:26:39 +0200
> Emery Davis > wrote:
>
> > I've been recently corresponded.
>
> Is this a sentence in English? Sorry an extra 'been' seems
> to have hung about.


LOL! It's OK, I understood anyway.

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On Oct 6, 1:26 pm, Emery Davis > wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:26:59 -0700
>
> Ken Blake > wrote:
> > Please excuse the OT posting, but I haven't seen anything from Ian
> > here for many months. Is anyone in touch with him? I hope he's all
> > right?
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Ian's fine. I've been recently corresponded.
>
> Sadly he has stopped posting on AFW, citing a general drop in
> courtesy levels, but also a lack of relevance to the drinking habits
> of those of us in France. I sometimes share this view.


When I first started reading this group, Ian Hoare posted as much as
about anyone. I am glad to hear that he is well. I was beginning to
think that he was no longer with us or had moved to a very remote area
without good internet access.

As for courtesy levels, this seems to vary a lot. We have had trolls
who really stirred things up, but I could name many other Usenet
groups that have had worse problems. Lack of courtesy on the part of
some is just part of something as open as Usenet. People who have been
rude to me, mostly in other groups, have for the most part been trolls
who are rude to nearly everyone or people who are angry about
something else. They perhaps have a boss who annoys them. They can not
kick the dog, because that gets them arrested. They can not kick the
spouse, because that gets them arrested as well as court actions by
divorce lawyers who make them wish they never had been born. They can
go to Usenet and take out their ire on someone at random who they
likely do not know, and usually they can get away with it. I usually
do not get upset by a tirade by someone I do not know.There seems to
also be Usenet burnout. Many just seem to get tired of posting after a
time.

In addition to Ian, I do not recall seeing a post from Tom S ( of Ch.
Burbank fame) here in a long time. At one time he posted nearly every
day. I hope he is well and perhaps just had Usenet burnout.

cwdjrxyz > wrote in news:1191720945.743507.77880@
50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:



>
> In addition to Ian, I do not recall seeing a post from Tom S ( of Ch.
> Burbank fame) here in a long time. At one time he posted nearly every
> day. I hope he is well and perhaps just had Usenet burnout.
>
>
>

I know the burnout, I read only this newsgroup now even though there are
groups that offer at least the potential for some professional advancement
(read sales) Even here I am pretty much a lurker right now. I still enjoy
wine Louis Jadot Macon Village tonight absolutely divine for about US $10
lots of citrus , no oak and went superbly with lobster ravioli.

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cwdjrxyz > wrote:

> When I first started reading this group, Ian Hoare posted as
> much as about anyone. I am glad to hear that he is well. I was
> beginning to think that he was no longer with us or had moved to
> a very remote area without good internet access.

Funny that you write that, because for the same reason yesterday
I checked Ian's bead & breakfast site. He and Jackie quite
obvilously are still at "La Souvigne" which, btw, really is
located in a remote area:

<http://perso.orange.fr/souvigne/homeuk.htm#Top>

and scroll down.

M.

To be honest much of the lack of courtesy in this group was self inflicted.

To protect the community here some often would chase away prospective
trolls. People that might have had an internet site that sold wine etc.

I do think Ian and a couple others led these attacks on some of the
"prospective trolls" instead of ignoring them.

The late Joe Rosenberg was at my home a few weeks before his death and
indicated his frustration with alt.food.wine as well. He claimed that some
of the "regular contributors" lost their light heartedness and became very
mean spirited. He named a few very specifically. I actually tended to
agree on that.

Some of us were around in the most early days of alt.food.wine. In my
opinion it had became the "king of the hill" mentality for some. They took
the authorship far to serious and forgot this was about the sharing of wine
experiences and tasting of wine as such.

In closing I beleive Joe mentioned he had communications from Bill Loftkin
on same matter. Bill can chime in if he wishes and if he is still here. He
was here in the earlier days as well. Is Marcel still out there?






"Emery Davis" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:26:39 +0200
> Emery Davis > wrote:
>
>> I've been recently corresponded.
>
> Is this a sentence in English? Sorry an extra 'been' seems
> to have hung about.
>
> -E
> --
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:35:45 -0700, cwdjrxyz >
wrote:

> On Oct 6, 1:26 pm, Emery Davis > wrote:
> > On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:26:59 -0700
> >
> > Ken Blake > wrote:
> > > Please excuse the OT posting, but I haven't seen anything from Ian
> > > here for many months. Is anyone in touch with him? I hope he's all
> > > right?
> >
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> > Ian's fine. I've been recently corresponded.
> >
> > Sadly he has stopped posting on AFW, citing a general drop in
> > courtesy levels, but also a lack of relevance to the drinking habits
> > of those of us in France. I sometimes share this view.
>
>
> When I first started reading this group, Ian Hoare posted as much as
> about anyone. I am glad to hear that he is well. I was beginning to
> think that he was no longer with us


I feared the same thing. I've had the pleasure of meeting Ian and his
wife Jacquie a couple of times, and I like them both very much.


> or had moved to a very remote area
> without good internet access.
>
> As for courtesy levels, this seems to vary a lot. We have had trolls
> who really stirred things up, but I could name many other Usenet
> groups that have had worse problems.


That's certainly very true. I frequent a number of newsgroups, and all
things considered, this is among the politest. But as you say, the
Trolls come and go. For my part, I just killfile the obvious trolls
with nothing to contribute, but that's less than a perfect solution
because not everyone does, and I end up reading the trolls' messages
when they are quoted by others.



> Lack of courtesy on the part of
> some is just part of something as open as Usenet. People who have been
> rude to me, mostly in other groups, have for the most part been trolls
> who are rude to nearly everyone or people who are angry about
> something else. They perhaps have a boss who annoys them. They can not
> kick the dog, because that gets them arrested. They can not kick the
> spouse, because that gets them arrested as well as court actions by
> divorce lawyers who make them wish they never had been born. They can
> go to Usenet and take out their ire on someone at random who they
> likely do not know, and usually they can get away with it. I usually
> do not get upset by a tirade by someone I do not know.There seems to
> also be Usenet burnout. Many just seem to get tired of posting after a
> time.
>
> In addition to Ian, I do not recall seeing a post from Tom S ( of Ch.
> Burbank fame) here in a long time. At one time he posted nearly every
> day. I hope he is well and perhaps just had Usenet burnout.
>

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On Oct 7, 11:52?am, Ken Blake >
wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:35:45 -0700, cwdjrxyz >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 1:26 pm, Emery Davis > wrote:
> > > On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:26:59 -0700
>
> > > Ken Blake > wrote:
> > > > Please excuse the OT posting, but I haven't seen anything from Ian
> > > > here for many months. Is anyone in touch with him? I hope he's all
> > > > right?
>
> > > Hi Ken,
>
> > > Ian's fine. I've been recently corresponded.
>
> > > Sadly he has stopped posting on AFW, citing a general drop in
> > > courtesy levels, but also a lack of relevance to the drinking habits
> > > of those of us in France. I sometimes share this view.
>
> > When I first started reading this group, Ian Hoare posted as much as
> > about anyone. I am glad to hear that he is well. I was beginning to
> > think that he was no longer with us
>
> I feared the same thing. I've had the pleasure of meeting Ian and his
> wife Jacquie a couple of times, and I like them both very much.
>
> > or had moved to a very remote area
> > without good internet access.
>
> > As for courtesy levels, this seems to vary a lot. We have had trolls
> > who really stirred things up, but I could name many other Usenet
> > groups that have had worse problems.
>
> That's certainly very true. I frequent a number of newsgroups, and all
> things considered, this is among the politest. But as you say, the
> Trolls come and go. For my part, I just killfile the obvious trolls
> with nothing to contribute, but that's less than a perfect solution
> because not everyone does, and I end up reading the trolls' messages
> when they are quoted by others.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Lack of courtesy on the part of
> > some is just part of something as open as Usenet. People who have been
> > rude to me, mostly in other groups, have for the most part been trolls
> > who are rude to nearly everyone or people who are angry about
> > something else. They perhaps have a boss who annoys them. They can not
> > kick the dog, because that gets them arrested. They can not kick the
> > spouse, because that gets them arrested as well as court actions by
> > divorce lawyers who make them wish they never had been born. They can
> > go to Usenet and take out their ire on someone at random who they
> > likely do not know, and usually they can get away with it. I usually
> > do not get upset by a tirade by someone I do not know.There seems to
> > also be Usenet burnout. Many just seem to get tired of posting after a
> > time.
>
> > In addition to Ian, I do not recall seeing a post from Tom S ( of Ch.
> > Burbank fame) here in a long time. At one time he posted nearly every
> > day. I hope he is well and perhaps just had Usenet burnout.
>
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Thanks for asking re Ian, Ken. I also wondered, as I looked at
fr.rec.boissons.vins yesterday and he hasn't posted there, either.
Glad to know he and Jacquie are well. We enjoyed having them visit in
'05.

As to courtesy levels, I agree by standards of non-moderated
newsgroups this one isn't particularly harsh. With one exception (who
I don't remember posting much lately) few obvious trolls. And I don't
remember anyone real getting a harsh reception.

Did you and Eileen make it to Westchester this summer? If so, sorry we
missed you.

I also used to post here a lot, but do it less frequently these days.
Combination of too many trolls and too little time.

Glad to hear Ian is doing well.

Bill Spohn

Bill S. wrote:
> I also used to post here a lot, but do it less frequently these days.
> Combination of too many trolls and too little time.
>
> Glad to hear Ian is doing well.
>
> Bill Spohn
>
I also miss Ian's posts from the "other side of the pond".
Not sure about "trolls", because I usually read only the
messages posted by long time residents of this NG - unless,
of course, you're referring to "UC".

C'mon back Ian!
Dick R.

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:46:54 -0000, DaleW > wrote:

> On Oct 7, 11:52?am, Ken Blake >
> wrote:

> Thanks for asking re Ian, Ken. I also wondered, as I looked at
> fr.rec.boissons.vins yesterday and he hasn't posted there, either.
> Glad to know he and Jacquie are well. We enjoyed having them visit in
> '05.
>
> As to courtesy levels, I agree by standards of non-moderated
> newsgroups this one isn't particularly harsh. With one exception (who
> I don't remember posting much lately) few obvious trolls. And I don't
> remember anyone real getting a harsh reception.
>
> Did you and Eileen make it to Westchester this summer? If so, sorry we
> missed you.



We did, but for a shorter than usual time. Our schedule was very tight
this year, and we couldn't find the time. Sorry we missed you and
Betsy too. We hope to be able to do it next year.


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My view from this side of the pond, is that this is one of the more gentle
newsgroups, a few trolls, yes, but usually well mannered.

I have witnessed the death of one fine newsgroup overhere,
uk.rec.birdwatching. It has been poached by the vegiwarriors, who cross-
post crap.

another, uk.rec gardening has seen such vitriolic personal attacks, that one
wonders what goes on in British gardens.!

I have been here for a few years now, and read but do not post much.

My monthly wine club tasting is at my place tomorrow, theme is Pinot Noir.
Will post notes on Wednesday.

John T

Hi John. I would agree this is one of the more gentle newsgroups for me as
well.

There were quite a few of us for years that participated in this group.
Several years back there were 3-4 persons, I will allow them to be nameless
for now that seemed to think they were the crimewatch for this group.

It started out when someone posted and said, "I have some really nice
Laguiole corkscrews I that are bone and surgical steel you can find at
www.so-and-so.com if you like." The initial response was from a self
appointed crimewatch group "This is a non commercial Site" Do not post
commerical posts here. Then when the person responded back and said this is
not commcerial, I am sharing....he was then told, he was a troll. That he
did not have the right to post here. blah blah blah and they chased this
person and their company away.

Then we went from going after commerical posts to going after the perceived
troll and commercial posts. Someone in this group would use IP tracking
technology to identify where the person was from, what county, city, state
etc.

We went from a kind group that enjoyed wine to a group that started to doubt
anyone that posted if they were not already known here.

I for one don't miss postings that limit any discussion on wine including
anyone that wants to sell legitimatly any wine, wine accessory etc. The
person missing in this group was most adamant on the commercial post issue.
There were 2-3 others that lead the charge.

Fortunatly for me most of them have me blocked and that is fine with me. I
have been a member in this group almost since the beginning days and found
this group has changed from being really good, civil etc....to less civil
for a while. I think is back on a better track and those that were the
"king of the hill" mentality and self appointed police have pretty much
moved on and I wish Ian the best and I am not upset that he does not post
here. But if he did, and he kept it civil I would not have an issue either.
When he was civil and it was about wine...he was really a GREAT contributor.


"John T" > wrote in message
.uk...
> My view from this side of the pond, is that this is one of the more gentle
> newsgroups, a few trolls, yes, but usually well mannered.
>
> I have witnessed the death of one fine newsgroup overhere,
> uk.rec.birdwatching. It has been poached by the vegiwarriors, who cross-
> post crap.
>
> another, uk.rec gardening has seen such vitriolic personal attacks, that
> one wonders what goes on in British gardens.!
>
> I have been here for a few years now, and read but do not post much.
>
> My monthly wine club tasting is at my place tomorrow, theme is Pinot Noir.
> Will post notes on Wednesday.
>
> John T
>

On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:26:59 +0200, Ken Blake
> wrote:

> Please excuse the OT posting, but I haven't seen anything from Ian
> here for many months. Is anyone in touch with him? I hope he's all
> right?
>
Heard from Dale (thanks Dale) that people were asking after me. I'm fine.
Thanks to those who had kind words to say.

Ian

On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:19:57 +0200, "Ian Hoare"
> wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:26:59 +0200, Ken Blake
> > wrote:
>
> > Please excuse the OT posting, but I haven't seen anything from Ian
> > here for many months. Is anyone in touch with him? I hope he's all
> > right?
> >
> Heard from Dale (thanks Dale) that people were asking after me. I'm fine.
> Thanks to those who had kind words to say.


Good to hear from you, Ian, and very glad to hear you're fine. I hope
you'll stick around here for a while.

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"Ian Hoare" > wrote in message
newsp.tzwi3jj2zf4th5@athlon...
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:26:59 +0200, Ken Blake
> > wrote:
>
>> Please excuse the OT posting, but I haven't seen anything from Ian
>> here for many months. Is anyone in touch with him? I hope he's all
>> right?
>>
> Heard from Dale (thanks Dale) that people were asking after me. I'm fine.
> Thanks to those who had kind words to say.
>
> Ian

You have been missed around here. Good to hear from you again.
Jim

"John T" > skrev i melding
.uk...
> My view from this side of the pond, is that this is one of the more gentle
> newsgroups, a few trolls, yes, but usually well mannered.
>
Thinking about it, this ng has been pretty peaceful for a while, hasn't it?
I've been busy with other things but also lurking here part of the time. Was
away last weekend drinking and tasting in Mosel, maybe a report will follow
:-)
Anders

I will be going to the Mosel on Saturday and wondered about the state of the
harvest.
"Anders Tørneskog" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John T" > skrev i melding
> .uk...
>> My view from this side of the pond, is that this is one of the more
>> gentle newsgroups, a few trolls, yes, but usually well mannered.
>>
> Thinking about it, this ng has been pretty peaceful for a while, hasn't
> it?
> I've been busy with other things but also lurking here part of the time.
> Was away last weekend drinking and tasting in Mosel, maybe a report will
> follow :-)
> Anders
>

Anders Tørneskog wrote:
> "John T" > skrev i melding
> .uk...
>> My view from this side of the pond, is that this is one of the more gentle
>> newsgroups, a few trolls, yes, but usually well mannered.
>>
> Thinking about it, this ng has been pretty peaceful for a while, hasn't it?
> I've been busy with other things but also lurking here part of the time. Was
> away last weekend drinking and tasting in Mosel, maybe a report will follow

Please do, Anders. I've been very interested in receiving people's
impressions of the recent releases from the MSR, especially now that
Jean has made her peace with Riesling :-) Did you attend any of the
auctions or other events?

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"Anders Tørneskog" > wrote in
:

>
> "John T" > skrev i melding
> .uk...
>> My view from this side of the pond, is that this is one of the more
>> gentle newsgroups, a few trolls, yes, but usually well mannered.
>>
> Thinking about it, this ng has been pretty peaceful for a while,
> hasn't it? I've been busy with other things but also lurking here part
> of the time. Was away last weekend drinking and tasting in Mosel,
> maybe a report will follow
>:-)
> Anders
>
>

and then the windows trolls moved in!

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Joseph Coulter wrote:

> and then the windows trolls moved in!

Not really, it's our old troll zara/redhart, starting another
cross-posting troll to this group. The other posts are just by the
clueless or inconsiderate who make a troll's life worth living, I guess.

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"sibeer" > skrev i melding
. ..
>I will be going to the Mosel on Saturday and wondered about the state of
>the harvest.
The weather was unusually lovely except for raw, cold and foggy mornings,
but after midday skies were blue and temperatures pleasant.
The harvest had started in lesser vineyards and vintners were pleased with
the grapes that will go into the bread-and-butter wine for daily
consumption. I stood by one who measured the juice and heard: 90
degrees...!
Summer had not been bad, I learned, with sufficient sun, warmth and rain and
given another week with good weather this vintage may be extraordinary.
Everybody were quite busy and one learns quickly to stay out of the way and
cut back on idle talk :-)

Anders