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There are quite a few very good restaurants in Vancouver. Most people
don't know it, but there is one more than they think, and most days it is just another rather nice unassuming house, occupied by good friends that have a great passion and interest for cooking and wine. When I am lucky enough to go there when it becomes one of the top ten places in Vancouver for fine wine and food (the other nine are commercial restaurants) I never fail to leave sated and impressed with the care with which the food was prepared and the thought that went into the wine matches. I won't identify the friends, but will say that they are charter members of the WATAPEAS group I founded - the Western All Terrine and Pate Eaters Society, which has a single event each year. Dinner chez X recently was as delightful as ever, and I'll describe the food as wel as the wines. First, there were not one, but five different hors d'ouvres, all painstakingly prepared: Oat cakes with goat cheese and marinated fig Shaggy Parasol Mushroom soup Shiitake frittatas Pepperoni cheddar straws Dungeness crab with watercress 1990 Heidsieck Millesime Brut - a great contrast in the two 1990 Champagnes, with this one having a nicely mature yeasty nose showing some complexity, a richer style, with good balance and length. 1990 Piper-Heisieck 'Rare' Brut - in complete contrast, this wine was fresher and had clean acidity, a leaner well structured wine that in my opinion worked better with the food. What was even more delightful about these wines was that I have both in my own cellar! Duck salad with green beans and pine nuts 2002 Zind Humbrecht Gewurztraminer Turkheim - I took a look at this pairing and my first thought was that the course could have been swapped with the next one, but I was willing t submit to experimentation! As it turned out, the wine match was very well thought out. This ripe Gewurz was medium gold in colour, with a good varietal nose, and was fairly full in the mouth, with good body and a touch of residual sugar, although another diner disagreed. let's say that it was a ripe style, and it went well with the duck salad. Steelhead trout with creamy pollenta and mushroom jus 1988 Ch. Carbonnieux - colour on this one was heading toward amber and there was a whiff of oxidation on the nose and a bit more than a whiff in the mouth. Once no doubt an interesting wine, this one was still OK with the food, which was excellent, but a fresher vintage would have been better. Rack of lamb with assorted veggies and tomato chutney I was delighted to see that we were going to have 1975 Bordeaux, as I enjoy these wines a lot while others will not. In fact I had these same wines in another dinner I arranged in 2000, and here is the preamble to my notes on that occasion: The 1975 vintage is not one that people with Speculator or 'Parkerpalates' will enjoy. They are framed in a style in which they will never intentionally make wine again, so in a sense we were tasting something that has now become a piece of history. The wines were made from fruit picked perhaps a little early and the fact that destemming was not then much utilised only added to the tannin 'load' of the wines (now, they would more exactly measure the point of ripeness of the grapes, and would destem to suit the style that they consciously strive for). The result is big, hard, tannic wines that have needed at least a quarter of a century to come around - this would clearly be economic suicide in today's world of instant gratification. I daresay that if you put a glass of even a great 1975 Bordeaux in front of a Cal-cab drinker, or a fruit-at-all-costs fan, they just wouldn't know what to make of it. 1975 Ch. Latour - excellent nose showing cedar and black fruit, decent fruit in the middle, still concealed a bit, I think, by the weighty tannins. The structure is excellent, and it was slightly drying at the end on the tip of the tongue, with a hint of astringency. I felt that this wine was the best, but I also felt that it wasn't showing quite as well as other times I have had it. 1975 Ch. Mouton Rothschild - while clearly not quite the wine that the monumental Latour is, this bottle of Mouton acquitted itself very well, showing a nose that I kept coming back to as it had a bit more complexity than the Latour, with more open fruit (and a bit of mustiness that blew off) and complexity was there but you had to work at it a bit. I was worried about this wine last time I drank it, wondering if it might be starting to break up, but this bottle was in fine shape. Reggiano, Tomme, and Beddis blue cheese with fig sausage and fruit toats. 1975 Ch. Montrose - last time I had this it was just getting into drinking plateau (which with this vintage means that the tannin has abated while there is still enough fruit to enjoy the wine). This time around it showed a nose that was positively Rhonish with a funky barnyard thing going on, and this never transformed into the more orthodox cedar and fruit nose that had been typical of this wine in the past. Big, tannic, weighty, but based on this bottle I wouldn't think it would get any better. When last tasted the tannin seemed lower but I expect that the fruit was just more forward in that bottle. It is worth restating that it would be a big mistake for anyone to generalize from notes like these. With wines of this sort of age you simply cannot take one data point and expect the rest of the bottles of that wine to toe the line. Cellaring history and bottle variation have a great effect on wines like this. One tired bottle may just be that - a single non-characteristic showing. When you see three or four similar notes then it is fair to deduce a trend. Finally, Bramley Apple cake with crackly meringue and vanilla bean ice cream 1988 Ch. Doisy Daene - along with Doisy Vedrines, these are the twin Doisy sisters one commonly sees - the other, Doisy Dubroca, seems to be exceedingly rare. Medium colour, a nose that was pleasant but devoid of Botrytis, pretty good mouth feel, sweet entry, and my first impression was that the acidity was too low, but after tasting awhile it seemed OK, so maybe it was alright in the first place. decent but nothing special. |
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On Nov 24, 11:44 am, "Bill S." > wrote:
> 1975 Ch. Mouton Rothschild - while clearly not quite the wine that the > monumental Latour is, this bottle of Mouton acquitted itself very > well, showing a nose that I kept coming back to as it had a bit more > complexity than the Latour, with more open fruit (and a bit of > mustiness that blew off) and complexity was there but you had to work > at it a bit. I was worried about this wine last time I drank it, > wondering if it might be starting to break up, but this bottle was in > fine shape. The Andy Warhol label wine. I was glad to see your notes on this. I bought a case of it on release, and 11 bottles remain. I tried a single bottle a few years ago, but I did not consider it ready then. Likely it is nearly time to try another bottle. I think I need to drink my remaining 1970 Mouton before I drink much of the 1975, based on my tastings. Both the 1970 and and 1975 Mouton generated quite mixed reactions from the critics. Nearly all agreed that it was unready for many years. I have seen some estimates that it might hold well until 2020. Others think you might as well drink it soon. Quality wise, the 1975 is decent and at least above average. However it is no match for the top Mouton vintages in modern times. > > Reggiano, Tomme, and Beddis blue cheese with fig sausage and fruit > toats. > > 1975 Ch. Montrose - last time I had this it was just getting into > drinking plateau (which with this vintage means that the tannin has > abated while there is still enough fruit to enjoy the wine). This time > around it showed a nose that was positively Rhonish with a funky > barnyard thing going on, and this never transformed into the more > orthodox cedar and fruit nose that had been typical of this wine in > the past. Big, tannic, weighty, but based on this bottle I wouldn't > think it would get any better. When last tasted the tannin seemed > lower but I expect that the fruit was just more forward in that > bottle. Again I was glad to see your notes for this wine. I only bought 3 bottles of Montrose 1975 on release and have not opened one yet. I remember estimates that it might drink well until 2030. > It is worth restating that it would be a big mistake for anyone to > generalize from notes like these. With wines of this sort of age you > simply cannot take one data point and expect the rest of the bottles > of that wine to toe the line. Cellaring history and bottle variation > have a great effect on wines like this. One tired bottle may just be > that - a single non-characteristic showing. When you see three or four > similar notes then it is fair to deduce a trend. The 1975s likely are only a mild example of how tannic and acid some top wines could be in the past. One of the extremes must have been the 1870 first growths, many of which are still drinking well if from cold cellars and well stored. These wines were so undrinkable when young, that many of the people who cellared them never drank them and some were not ready in the lifetime of their children either. This likely is the reason that some were still left and turned up at auction in modern times after they finally matured after many decades. |
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