Several nights ago, with a light dinner, Jean opened a bottle that I had
placed in the "drink soon" rack. Tonight, with the leftover duck
salmis, I returned to the bottle after 3 days:

2005 Baudry Chinon "La Croix Boisée" ($21.99)
nose: meaty, dark fruit
palate: rich, dark plum fruit, forest floor, pencil lead, high acidity,
fine tannins

Even after 3 days, the fruit is still vibrant, but there are more
secondary elements. Very nice with the duck and a wine with a long
future ahead of it.

Mark Lipton
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On Feb 27, 1:32�am, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> Several nights ago, with a light dinner, Jean opened a bottle that I had
> placed in the "drink soon" rack. �Tonight, with the leftover duck
> salmis, I returned to the bottle after 3 days:
>
> 2005 Baudry Chinon "La Croix Bois�e" ($21.99)
> nose: meaty, dark fruit
> palate: rich, dark plum fruit, forest floor, pencil lead, high acidity,
> fine tannins
>
> Even after 3 days, the fruit is still vibrant, but there are more
> secondary elements. �Very nice with the duck and a wine with a long
> future ahead of it.
>
> Mark Lipton
> --
> alt.food.wine FAQ: �http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com

Whoddathunk, both of drinking Baudry at same time. This sounds more
serious, and just as tasty. Thanks

DaleW wrote:

> Whoddathunk, both of drinking Baudry at same time. This sounds more
> serious, and just as tasty. Thanks

Did you have a Baudry Chinon? I must've missed it.

Mark Lipton
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On Feb 27, 1:32 pm, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> Several nights ago, with a light dinner, Jean opened a bottle that I had
> placed in the "drink soon" rack. Tonight, with the leftover duck
> salmis, I returned to the bottle after 3 days:
>
> 2005 Baudry Chinon "La Croix Boisée" ($21.99)
> nose: meaty, dark fruit
> palate: rich, dark plum fruit, forest floor, pencil lead, high acidity,
> fine tannins
>
> Even after 3 days, the fruit is still vibrant, but there are more
> secondary elements. Very nice with the duck and a wine with a long
> future ahead of it.
>
> Mark Lipton
> --
> alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com

Sounds very nice. I recently had my first experience with Chinon - an
05 Les Quatre Terroirs Chinon. Found the nose lovely and complex with
dark fruits, minerals, some woodsy and herbaceous notes but it was too
thin/dilute and light for my liking on the palate. Found it
interesting, but figured I needed to try something else with more
body. This sounds much better - I'll keep my eyes open for it.

Cheers,

Salil

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:36:08 -0500
Mark Lipton > wrote:

> DaleW wrote:
>
> > Whoddathunk, both of drinking Baudry at same time. This sounds more
> > serious, and just as tasty. Thanks
>
> Did you have a Baudry Chinon? I must've missed it.
>

Santiago and I tasted both Les Granges and La Croix Boisee recently with
the Baudry family. I didn't get any barnyard from les Granges, although I
concur about the green notes. The proof is I bought the latter but not
the former, although the prices were, um, somewhat less inflated.

I think la Croix Boisee will really benefit from 5 years or so in the cellar.
We had a bottle not too long ago but it never opened up.

As great minds apparently think of Chinon concurrently, we had a
2005 Le Ligre 2 nights ago, bought to drink while the Lamberts and Baudrys
rest. The 2nd bottle I've tried, the first a completely closed book, this one
opened into a warm, round Chinon with lots of backbone. A pleasure.

(Salil, a 2005 Chinon that was thin may have some more serious problems.
You might want to try another.)

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Hi

(been lurking for a while) thanks for the notes on the Chinon. I've
been hearing some v good things about the vintage and what's been
posted by people here seems to confirm that. Can't wait to try sme of
these.. I've been reading various reviews on the Loire 2005s and
noticed something curious: Ch de Hureau, whose Saumur-Champignys seem
very nice, does not get a mention by jacqueline Friederich nor for
that matter in the Wine Advocate, it is glowingly reviewed by Jancis
Robinson and Decanter. I have had a few bottles of their Fevettes
(2002?) which were rather nice, and wondered if people over here had
any of the 2005s? Is there some backstory to this ommission by JF and
WA? On a not unrelated note has anyone tasted any of the sweet 2005s
from Vouvray?

Thanks
bogan

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:27:48 -0800 (PST)
wrote:

> Hi
>
> (been lurking for a while) thanks for the notes on the Chinon. I've
> been hearing some v good things about the vintage and what's been
> posted by people here seems to confirm that. Can't wait to try sme of
> these.. I've been reading various reviews on the Loire 2005s and
> noticed something curious: Ch de Hureau, whose Saumur-Champignys seem
> very nice, does not get a mention by jacqueline Friederich nor for
> that matter in the Wine Advocate, it is glowingly reviewed by Jancis
> Robinson and Decanter. I have had a few bottles of their Fevettes
> (2002?) which were rather nice, and wondered if people over here had
> any of the 2005s? Is there some backstory to this ommission by JF and
> WA? On a not unrelated note has anyone tasted any of the sweet 2005s
> from Vouvray?
>
> Thanks
> bogan
>
>

Hi Bogan,

I can't speak for the reviewers, but I bought 18 bottles of the regular cuvee
direct without tasting. I tasted one rather too quickly, it was very closed. Will
probably revisit soon enough, as I noticed recently some 05 La Perruche SC also
coming around a little.

I rather regret not having ordered a case of the Lisagathe, which Vatan histrionically
declared "the wine of his lifetime." But I do think he's been exaggerating the
pricing, unfortunately.

Haven't tasted any 05 Vouvray yet but no reason to think it's not an exceptional
millisime there too.

-E


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On Feb 28, 4:15�am, Emery Davis > wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:36:08 -0500
>
> Mark Lipton > wrote:
> > DaleW wrote:
>
> > > Whoddathunk, both of drinking Baudry at same time. This sounds more
> > > serious, and just as tasty. Thanks
>
> > Did you have a Baudry Chinon? �I must've missed it.
>
> Santiago and I tasted both Les Granges and La Croix Boisee recently with
> the Baudry family. �I didn't get any barnyard from les Granges, although I
> concur about the green notes. �The proof is I bought the latter but not
> the former, although the prices were, um, somewhat less inflated.
>
> I think la Croix Boisee will really benefit from 5 years or so in the cellar.
> We had a bottle not too long ago but it never opened up.
>
> As great minds apparently think of Chinon concurrently, we had a
> 2005 Le Ligre 2 nights ago, bought to drink while the Lamberts and Baudrys
> rest. �The 2nd bottle I've tried, the first a completely closed book, this one
> opened into a warm, round Chinon with lots of backbone. �A pleasure.
>
> (Salil, a 2005 Chinon that was thin may have some more serious problems.
> You might want to try another.)
>
> -E
>
> --
> Emery Davis
> You can reply to
> by removing the well known companies
> Questions about wine? �Visithttp://winefaq.hostexcellence.com

Agree that thin is unusual for 2005 (unless one is used to say Pride
Cab Franc)

The barnyard was light on the '04 Les Granges, and I didn't actually
mind the greenness- more herbal Cab francness than unripeness to me.

Le Ligre is a new one to me.

On Feb 28, 9:27�am, wrote:
> Hi
>
> (been lurking for a while) thanks for the notes on the Chinon. I've
> been hearing some v good things about the vintage and what's been
> posted by people here seems to confirm that. Can't wait to try sme of
> these.. I've been reading various reviews on the Loire 2005s and
> noticed something curious: Ch de Hureau, whose Saumur-Champignys seem
> very nice, does not get a mention by jacqueline Friederich nor for
> that matter in the Wine Advocate, it is glowingly reviewed by Jancis
> Robinson and Decanter. I have had a few bottles of their Fevettes
> (2002?) which were rather nice, and wondered if people over here had
> any of the 2005s? Is there some backstory to this ommission by JF and
> WA? On a not unrelated note has anyone tasted any of the sweet 2005s
> from Vouvray?
>
> Thanks
> bogan

I confess to not knowing who Jacqueline Friederich is.
Not surprising. WA doesn't have the widest coverage of Loire, though
having David S. on board should improve situation. I also think Hureau
doesn't have the widest distribution in US- I've heard good things,
but never actually had one in memory.
But there are prominent estates in many regions that are missed by
some reviewers - occasionally there's a hidden story, but it's mostly
just a function of time for visits and tastings. Reviewers have to
make choices (partially influenced by personal tastes).

> I confess to not knowing who Jacqueline Friederich is.

she has written a very useful and good (imho) book on Loire wines some
time ago - if i remember correctly this did well with some prizes
etc.
more recently has a book on french wines. My experience with her loire
book was that she seemed quite good at telling you which growers'
wines you'd want to try and which you wouldnt - a few times while
trying Loire wines, when we 'strayed' from her recommendations we
would come to regret it! She also seems to like wines specific to a
region, not to say to a terroir, and is good at balancing that against
'fruitiness'. Hence my surprise to not see Hureau on the (lengthy)
list of hers - just curious really..

> Not surprising. WA doesn't have the widest coverage of Loire, though
> having David S. on board should improve situation. I also think Hureau
> doesn't have the widest distribution in US- I've heard good things,
> but never actually had one in memory.

i see - i've seen it in a number of places in boston, so assumed it
was available around the US - but we seem to be lucky with one or two
shops with a wide loire selectino around here. The bottles i have had
certainly were good, but so far i have not had their more prestigious
bottlings..

bogdan

Emery Davis > wrote in
:
>
> Santiago and I tasted both Les Granges and La Croix Boisee recently
> with the Baudry family. I didn't get any barnyard from les Granges,
> although I concur about the green notes. The proof is I bought the
> latter but not the former, although the prices were, um, somewhat less
> inflated.

And we had quite a good time, that's for sure. I too got some herbal notes
(I like them as long as they are not green-green) from Les Granges. My
favorite Baudry for early drinking is what they call "Domaine". I have been
drinking some bottles lately and is in great form (we Spaniards tend to
drink our wines too young, after decades of drinking them too old).
>
> I think la Croix Boisee will really benefit from 5 years or so in the
> cellar. We had a bottle not too long ago but it never opened up.

La Croix Boisée 2005 really needs these five years even if I do not think
it is a very tannic or concentrated wine. However, past experiences with
Baudry's have told me that the sandy soils in La Croix Boisée really make
for a finesse with some age. 2002's is singing right now. Too bad I
finished my case.

>
> As great minds apparently think of Chinon concurrently, we had a
> 2005 Le Ligre 2 nights ago, bought to drink while the Lamberts and
> Baudrys rest. The 2nd bottle I've tried, the first a completely
> closed book, this one opened into a warm, round Chinon with lots of
> backbone. A pleasure.

To offer some contrast, this week we opened a bottle of a VDT by Olivier
Cousin, a 2005 according to the lot number. Greener than a golf-course and
with about 300 dirty horses inside the bottle. What a mess ;-(

s.