We've escaped the cold and snow (Feb-Mar) in Minnesota for the last
few years, with our final destination on Hilton Head, South Carolina
for a month. On our driving trips down and back, we have spent time
in many wonderful areas. This year one of the highlights was 3 nights
in Williamsburg, Virginia and an evening "cooking class" at A Chef's
Kitchen. Hors d'oeuvres with French bubbly, followed by a dinner of
creamy shallot soup, spinach salad, skillet baked corn bread, pan-seared
scallops, grilled prime rib, and fresh berry parfait, all paired with
generous servings of appropriate wines. A truly gastronomically delicious
experience. We had made reservations in advance so we had front row
seating. The dinner cost $75 per person (no gratuity expected) and it
was worth it!
If anyone visits Williamsburg check out:
http://achefskitchen.biz/

Dick and Linda - back in Minnesota just in time for spring.

In article >,
"Dick R." > wrote:

> We've escaped the cold and snow (Feb-Mar) in Minnesota for the last
> few years, with our final destination on Hilton Head, South Carolina
> for a month. On our driving trips down and back, we have spent time
> in many wonderful areas. This year one of the highlights was 3 nights
> in Williamsburg, Virginia and an evening "cooking class" at A Chef's
> Kitchen. Hors d'oeuvres with French bubbly, followed by a dinner of
> creamy shallot soup, spinach salad, skillet baked corn bread, pan-seared
> scallops, grilled prime rib, and fresh berry parfait, all paired with
> generous servings of appropriate wines. A truly gastronomically delicious
> experience. We had made reservations in advance so we had front row
> seating. The dinner cost $75 per person (no gratuity expected) and it
> was worth it!
> If anyone visits Williamsburg check out:
> http://achefskitchen.biz/
>
> Dick and Linda - back in Minnesota just in time for spring.

Since this is a wine group, it would be nice to know what the wine
pairings were.

"Lawrence Leichtman" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Dick R." > wrote:
>
>> We've escaped the cold and snow (Feb-Mar) in Minnesota for the last
>> few years, with our final destination on Hilton Head, South Carolina
>> for a month. On our driving trips down and back, we have spent time
>> in many wonderful areas. This year one of the highlights was 3 nights
>> in Williamsburg, Virginia and an evening "cooking class" at A Chef's
>> Kitchen. Hors d'oeuvres with French bubbly, followed by a dinner of
>> creamy shallot soup, spinach salad, skillet baked corn bread, pan-seared
>> scallops, grilled prime rib, and fresh berry parfait, all paired with
>> generous servings of appropriate wines. A truly gastronomically delicious
>> experience. We had made reservations in advance so we had front row
>> seating. The dinner cost $75 per person (no gratuity expected) and it
>> was worth it!
>> If anyone visits Williamsburg check out:
>> http://achefskitchen.biz/
>>
>> Dick and Linda - back in Minnesota just in time for spring.
>
> Since this is a wine group, it would be nice to know what the wine
> pairings were.



Perhaps they were all Virginia wines?

Did you have reservations previous to your going to Williamsburg?

I hope you went to Jamestown, too. 1609. (Yes, before Plymouth Rock. [a
little history lesson for those in the North.:-)) ]

Dee Dee

Dee Randall wrote:

> "Lawrence Leichtman" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In article >,
>>"Dick R." > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>We've escaped the cold and snow (Feb-Mar) in Minnesota for the last
>>>few years, with our final destination on Hilton Head, South Carolina
>>>for a month. On our driving trips down and back, we have spent time
>>>in many wonderful areas. This year one of the highlights was 3 nights
>>>in Williamsburg, Virginia and an evening "cooking class" at A Chef's
>>>Kitchen. Hors d'oeuvres with French bubbly, followed by a dinner of
>>>creamy shallot soup, spinach salad, skillet baked corn bread, pan-seared
>>>scallops, grilled prime rib, and fresh berry parfait, all paired with
>>>generous servings of appropriate wines. A truly gastronomically delicious
>>>experience. We had made reservations in advance so we had front row
>>>seating. The dinner cost $75 per person (no gratuity expected) and it
>>>was worth it!
>>>If anyone visits Williamsburg check out:
>>>http://achefskitchen.biz/
>>>
>>>Dick and Linda - back in Minnesota just in time for spring.
>>
>>Since this is a wine group, it would be nice to know what the wine
>>pairings were.
>
>
> Perhaps they were all Virginia wines?
>
> Did you have reservations previous to your going to Williamsburg?
>
> I hope you went to Jamestown, too. 1609. (Yes, before Plymouth Rock. [a
> little history lesson for those in the North.:-)) ]
>
> Dee Dee
>
Hi Larry and Dee,
I can't remember many details about specific wines, but their idea is to serve
great food with good wines in the $10 range. They also sell the wines they
serve, and I did purchase a couple of bottles. With the hors d'oeuvres they
served Charles De Fere Brut ($13) and that was pretty good so I purchased a
bottle. I also purchased another bottle that has already gotten lost in my
cellar, so I don't know what it is. Otherwise, as I recall, they served
Chardonnay, Sauvignon Blanc and Cabernet. No Virginia wines, but we had
already sampled and purchased a few bottles when we visited Barboursville
Vinyards in Charlottesville. We did make reservations several weeks in
advance, so we had front row seating.

We visited Jamestown - both the reconstruction and the actual archaeological
dig - and purchased a book by the lead archaeologist William Kelso. We also
learned that the "love affair" between John Smith and Pocahontas was very
unlikely because in 1607 he was 27 and she was 10. Lots of history!

Dick

Dee wrote on Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:43:21 -0400:


> I hope you went to Jamestown, too. 1609. (Yes, before
> Plymouth Rock. [a little history lesson for those in the North.:-)) ]

I live in a state that was settled a bit later than Jamestown or
Plymouth (and *not* by my ancestors) but I'd like to mention that the
"Pilgrims" intended to go to Virginia but were prevented by adverse
winds. There is an unreliable story that they had their map upside down,
but still!

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

In article >,
"Dick R." > wrote:

> Dee Randall wrote:
>
> > "Lawrence Leichtman" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>In article >,
> >>"Dick R." > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>We've escaped the cold and snow (Feb-Mar) in Minnesota for the last
> >>>few years, with our final destination on Hilton Head, South Carolina
> >>>for a month. On our driving trips down and back, we have spent time
> >>>in many wonderful areas. This year one of the highlights was 3 nights
> >>>in Williamsburg, Virginia and an evening "cooking class" at A Chef's
> >>>Kitchen. Hors d'oeuvres with French bubbly, followed by a dinner of
> >>>creamy shallot soup, spinach salad, skillet baked corn bread, pan-seared
> >>>scallops, grilled prime rib, and fresh berry parfait, all paired with
> >>>generous servings of appropriate wines. A truly gastronomically delicious
> >>>experience. We had made reservations in advance so we had front row
> >>>seating. The dinner cost $75 per person (no gratuity expected) and it
> >>>was worth it!
> >>>If anyone visits Williamsburg check out:
> >>>http://achefskitchen.biz/
> >>>
> >>>Dick and Linda - back in Minnesota just in time for spring.
> >>
> >>Since this is a wine group, it would be nice to know what the wine
> >>pairings were.
> >
> >
> > Perhaps they were all Virginia wines?
> >
> > Did you have reservations previous to your going to Williamsburg?
> >
> > I hope you went to Jamestown, too. 1609. (Yes, before Plymouth Rock. [a
> > little history lesson for those in the North.:-)) ]
> >
> > Dee Dee
> >
> Hi Larry and Dee,
> I can't remember many details about specific wines, but their idea is to serve
> great food with good wines in the $10 range. They also sell the wines they
> serve, and I did purchase a couple of bottles. With the hors d'oeuvres they
> served Charles De Fere Brut ($13) and that was pretty good so I purchased a
> bottle. I also purchased another bottle that has already gotten lost in my
> cellar, so I don't know what it is. Otherwise, as I recall, they served
> Chardonnay, Sauvignon Blanc and Cabernet. No Virginia wines, but we had
> already sampled and purchased a few bottles when we visited Barboursville
> Vinyards in Charlottesville. We did make reservations several weeks in
> advance, so we had front row seating.
>
> We visited Jamestown - both the reconstruction and the actual archaeological
> dig - and purchased a book by the lead archaeologist William Kelso. We also
> learned that the "love affair" between John Smith and Pocahontas was very
> unlikely because in 1607 he was 27 and she was 10. Lots of history!
>
> Dick

I have eaten there before but only bought single bottles. Their
selection under $20 was excellent so I had wondered what you had in the
pairings. $75 per person with wine is a great deal as their food is to
notch.

>> We visited Jamestown - both the reconstruction and the actual
>> archaeological
>> dig - and purchased a book by the lead archaeologist William Kelso. We
>> also
>> learned that the "love affair" between John Smith and Pocahontas was very
>> unlikely because in 1607 he was 27 and she was 10. Lots of history!
>>
>> Dick
>



You no doubt saw the "Godspeed," the ship that my direct ancestor came on
in 1610. He was a carpenter.

As to the history of John Smith, many have discredited him for his tale
told in later life. At least we have his own words.

One of my favorite "History's Mysteries" though is "The Lost Colony"
http://colonial-america.suite101.com...ony_of_roanoke
I'm sure you know it.

I'm glad you visited Virginia.

Dee Dee
Virginia, U.S.A.

Dee Randall wrote:
>>>We visited Jamestown - both the reconstruction and the actual
>>>archaeological
>>>dig - and purchased a book by the lead archaeologist William Kelso. We
>>>also
>>>learned that the "love affair" between John Smith and Pocahontas was very
>>>unlikely because in 1607 he was 27 and she was 10. Lots of history!
>>>
>>>Dick
>>
> You no doubt saw the "Godspeed," the ship that my direct ancestor came on
> in 1610. He was a carpenter.
>
Actually, we didn't. The day we spent at the visitor center in Feb was cold and
windy so we didn't walk out to see the 3 ships.

> As to the history of John Smith, many have discredited him for his tale
> told in later life. At least we have his own words.
Rumor has it that after John Smith returned to England, he liked to write about
being rescued by young maidens, but I dunno.
>
> One of my favorite "History's Mysteries" though is "The Lost Colony"
> http://colonial-america.suite101.com...ony_of_roanoke
> I'm sure you know it.
Don't know it, but it will make for some more fascinating reading. Thanks.
>
> I'm glad you visited Virginia.
>
We'll be back! I think next year we'll stay on Hilton Head SC in March and
drive back through Virginia for a re-visit in April. Should be beautiful and
green by then and we still have many places to see.

Dick and Linda in MN

"Dee Randall" > skrev i melding
...
>
> You no doubt saw the "Godspeed," the ship that my direct ancestor came on
> in 1610. He was a carpenter.
>
Now that caught my attention... 1610? It would have been a sensation, of
course, but it turns out that the Jamestown ship is a replica built in 1957.
Another replica was built for the celebrations 2007 I see.

Back on topic; I've noted that a Virginian attempted growing European vines
in 1774 - name is Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson whom the locals may have heard
about.

:-) Anders

"Anders Tørneskog" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dee Randall" > skrev i melding
> ...
>>
>> You no doubt saw the "Godspeed," the ship that my direct ancestor came
>> on in 1610. He was a carpenter.
>>
> Now that caught my attention... 1610? It would have been a sensation, of
> course, but it turns out that the Jamestown ship is a replica built in
> 1957. Another replica was built for the celebrations 2007 I see.
>

Shall I mention the ship that my husband's Norweigan ancestors came on?
Oops, I forgot, they took it back to the Viking Ship Museum in Oslo. LOL!
Dee Dee

Mike wrote on Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:24:35 +0200:

> Anders Tørneskog wrote:
>> "Dee Randall" > skrev i melding
>> ...
>>> You no doubt saw the "Godspeed," the ship that my direct
>>> ancestor came on in 1610. He was a carpenter.
>>>
>> Now that caught my attention... 1610? It would have been a
>> sensation, of course, but it turns out that the Jamestown
>> ship is a replica built in 1957. Another replica was built
>> for the celebrations 2007 I see.
>>
>> Back on topic; I've noted that a Virginian attempted growing European
>> vines in 1774 - name is Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson whom the locals
>> may have heard about.

> Vines in America? No, he's the one that invented lightning.
> :-)

> William Penn had french plants planted by his gardener Andrew Doz in
> 1682. Doz accidentally created the first hybrid, it was
> discovered by gardener John Alexander so it got his name but
> was actually created by Doz.

> In May 1787 Jefferson spent much time in France visiting
> wineries and tasting wines.

> Jefferson allegedly was made to taste some scuppernong in 1819
> by a member of congress named... Macon!

The Viking discoverers of N. America called the place Vineland. Eric the
Red said his German father-in-law swore that they had found grapes.
There is still argument about that since Eric did not get very far
south. However, European grapes, Vitis vinifera, can be grown in
Ontario.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"James Silverton" > skrev i melding
...
> Mike wrote on Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:24:35 +0200:
>
>
> The Viking discoverers of N. America called the place Vineland. Eric the
> Red said his German father-in-law swore that they had found grapes. There
> is still argument about that since Eric did not get very far south.
> However, European grapes, Vitis vinifera, can be grown in Ontario.
>
Actually, the Norse name was Vinland. The 'Vin' normally translates into
'grassy meadow' and is found in several Norwegian place names, even Bergen
(which originally was written 'Bjorgvin').
Newfoundland certainly qualifies for that descriptor - but Vikings knew
about wine (written as 'vin' too) and may have coined the name "Wineland" to
encourage settlement - not in Labrador or Newfoundland - but perhaps in
Saint Lawrence... The climate was warmer then... But that is speculation
only.
Btw I didn't know Eric the Red had a German father-in-law!? He found
grapes? Then he must have been further south even if Eric was not?
Anders

On Apr 27, 12:10�pm, "Anders T�rneskog" >
wrote:
> "James Silverton" > skrev i ...> Mike �wrote �on Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:24:35 +0200:
>
> > The Viking discoverers of N. America called the place Vineland. Eric the
> > Red said his German father-in-law swore that they had found grapes. There
> > is still argument about that since Eric did not get very far south.
> > However, European grapes, Vitis vinifera, can be grown in Ontario.
>
> Actually, the Norse name was Vinland. �The 'Vin' normally translates into
> 'grassy meadow' and is found in several Norwegian place names, even Bergen
> (which originally was written 'Bjorgvin').
> Newfoundland certainly qualifies for that descriptor - but Vikings knew
> about wine (written as 'vin' too) and may have coined the name "Wineland" to
> encourage settlement - not in Labrador or Newfoundland - but perhaps in
> Saint Lawrence... The climate was warmer then... �But that is speculation
> only.
> Btw I didn't know Eric the Red had a German father-in-law!? �He found
> grapes? �Then he must have been further south even if Eric was not?
> Anders

My dear Norwiegian friends who visited recently were much more
interested in cracking open and polishing off the "Linea" Aquavit that
we had than plundering my wine cellar. I didn't realize that they had
a hankering for "vin".....:-)

Anders wrote on Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:10:11 +0200:


> "James Silverton" > skrev i
> melding ...
>> Mike wrote on Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:24:35 +0200:
>>
>> The Viking discoverers of N. America called the place
>> Vineland. Eric the Red said his German father-in-law swore
>> that they had found grapes. There is still argument about
>> that since Eric did not get very far south. However, European
>> grapes, Vitis vinifera, can be grown in Ontario.
>>
>Btw I didn't know Eric the Red had a German father-in-law!? He found
>grapes? Then he must have been further south even if Eric was not?

I got that a bit wrong! According, to Samuel Taylor Morison. "The
European Discovery of America", a certain Tyrker from Germany who
discovered the "grapes" is described in the "Tale of the Greenlanders"
as Leif Ericsson's foster-father. Tyrker had known grapes when he was a
child. However, grapes are also mentioned in "The Saga of Eric the Red".
Morison also describes those saga writers who would have made good real
estate promoters a few years ago.

Morison tells the tale of Biarni Heriulfson, who failed to discover
America twice (!)because he was stubbornly looking for Greenland to
spend the Yule feast with his father and never landed. His story is said
to have inspired Leif who actually bought Biarni's boat for his own
expedition.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Dee Randall wrote:
> "Anders Tørneskog" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"Dee Randall" > skrev i melding
...
>>
>>>You no doubt saw the "Godspeed," the ship that my direct ancestor came
>>>on in 1610. He was a carpenter.
>>>
>>Now that caught my attention... 1610? It would have been a sensation, of
>>course, but it turns out that the Jamestown ship is a replica built in
>>1957. Another replica was built for the celebrations 2007 I see.
>>
> Shall I mention the ship that my husband's Norweigan ancestors came on?
> Oops, I forgot, they took it back to the Viking Ship Museum in Oslo. LOL!
> Dee Dee
>
I trace my history to when the Swedes and many others arrived in the 1920s.
My parents arrived separately in the 1920s, and fortunately for me, years later
they met, married, and voila, here I am! I guess my history is in Sweden,
but I kind of lost my Swedish accent years ago. I did take a trip back to Sweden
in the late 1940s aboard the Swedish American Lines Gripsholm, and visited all
my relatives. I acquired a Swedish accent, and upon my return to Chicago, my
grade school teacher was very irritated and tried to break me of my accent.
I could go on and on, but, shut my mouth - even though the original "Americans"
own casinos. I've said too much, but to keep the post somewhat on topic,
does anyone have a food/wine paring for aquavit?

Dick

Dick R. wrote:
> I've said too much, but to keep the post somewhat on topic,
> does anyone have a food/wine paring for aquavit?

Wouldn't that be a food/spirits pairing?
Actually, having never tasted aquavit, what is it like? Is it more like
vodka, (that is, pure spirits), or more like schnapps/Eau de vie (that
is, having some defining nose)?
If it is like vodka, then the traditional Russian pairings of dark
bread, pickles, fish and caviar would work best. If it is aromatic, then
the pairing would depend on the prevailing nose. Fruity brandies like
rakia/slivovitz work best with fresh salads with oil and vinegar
dressing, for example.

--
You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.

"Dick R." > skrev i melding
...
> does anyone have a food/wine paring for aquavit?
>
Pickled herrings and beer is traditional.
Aquavit and beer also goes well with fatty foods.
Anders

"Patok" > skrev i melding
...
> Actually, having never tasted aquavit, what is it like? Is it more like
> vodka, (that is, pure spirits), or more like schnapps/Eau de vie (that is,
> having some defining nose)?
You are right in both counts :-) (almost)
There are 2 kinds, blank (often called Taffel) popular in Sweden and Denmark
and brown (matured in oak casks, often sherry) more common in Norway. Both
are more or less flavoured, however. Norway tends to use more caraway all
over, the others employ more of other seeds or herbs like anise, coriander
(cilantro), dill, fennel and others.
The Norwegian luxury brand Non Plus Ultra (10 years in casks) approaches a
good cognac and is savoured in the same way.

hth
Anders

On Apr 27, 6:23�pm, "Anders T�rneskog" >
wrote:
> "Patok" > skrev i ...> Actually, having never tasted aquavit, what is it like? Is it more like
> > vodka, (that is, pure spirits), or more like schnapps/Eau de vie (that is,
> > having some defining nose)?
>
> You are right in both counts :-) (almost)
> There are 2 kinds, blank (often called Taffel) popular in Sweden and Denmark
> and brown (matured in oak casks, often sherry) more common in Norway. �Both
> are more or less flavoured, however. Norway tends to use more caraway all
> over, the others employ more of other seeds or herbs like anise, coriander
> (cilantro), dill, fennel and others.
> The Norwegian luxury brand Non Plus Ultra (10 years in casks) approaches a
> good cognac and is savoured in the same way.
>
> hth
> Anders

The "Linea" is dark and has been aged in casks in the bottom holds of
container ships. Alledgedly, it crosses the equater many times and
the cooling and heating of the casks by the warm and cod water is
responsible for the extraction and flavor. It is stronly flavoured
with carraway so to me it tastes like rye bread. I drink it cold with
herring and beer.

"Bi!!" > skrev i melding
...

>The "Linea" is dark and has been aged in casks in the bottom holds of
>container ships. Alledgedly, it crosses the equater many times and
>the cooling and heating of the casks by the warm and cod water is
>responsible for the extraction and flavor. It is stronly flavoured
>with carraway so to me it tastes like rye bread. I drink it cold with
<herring and beer.
Yes, this aging process was discovered in 1807 with an unsold oak cask that
was returned from Indonesia. Today casks are given a journey to Australia
and back. Two brands are made, Loiten Linje and Lysholm Linje of which the
latter has a somewhat sharper taste. "Linje" means Line, i.e. the equator.
Anders

Caveat: Aquavit should never be ice cold - just a little chilled - you lose
flavors!

On Apr 28, 11:41�am, "Anders T�rneskog" >
wrote:
> "Bi!!" > skrev i ...
>
> >The "Linea" is dark and has been aged in casks in the bottom holds of
> >container ships. �Alledgedly, it crosses the equater many times and
> >the cooling and heating of the casks by the warm and cod water is
> >responsible for the extraction and flavor. �It is stronly flavoured
> >with carraway so to me it tastes like rye bread. �I drink it cold with
>
> <herring and beer.
> Yes, this aging process was discovered in 1807 with an unsold oak cask that
> was returned from Indonesia. Today casks are given a journey to Australia
> and back. �Two brands are made, Loiten Linje and Lysholm Linje of which the
> latter has a somewhat sharper taste. "Linje" means Line, i.e. the equator..
> Anders
>
> Caveat: Aquavit should never be ice cold - just a little chilled - you lose
> flavors!

I have a special bottle of Lysholm Linje that is given as a gift from
the owner of the steamship line. It's quite good, quite smooth almost
like Cognac. I recieved it as a gift from my friend Trond Wennberg of
Oslo. I gave him a bottle of Kongsgaard Chardonnay "The Judge" since
he was interested in John Kongsgaard's background. I think we both
made a good trade.

"Bi!!" > skrev i melding
...
>...interested in John Kongsgaard's background.
I've seen that name but not the wines over here.

Kongsgaard could be literally translated "Kings yard" which stems from early
medieval times when the king owned residences in various parts of the
country and travelled between them to do local administration, legal courts
and live off produce collected as taxes.

The official responsible for managing the kings house and thus the bread
stores was called 'hlafwardir' in old Norse - "loaf warden" so to speak,
later "lavard", then, in England, "laird" and "lord".

And so we have covered bread and wine in this topic too...

:-) Anders

On Apr 29, 4:05�am, "Anders T�rneskog" >
wrote:
> "Bi!!" > skrev i erested in John Kongsgaard's background.
>
> I've seen that name but not the wines over here.
>
> Kongsgaard could be literally translated "Kings yard" which stems from early
> medieval times when the king owned residences in various parts of the
> country and travelled between them to do local administration, legal courts
> and live off produce collected as taxes.
>
> The official responsible for managing the kings house and thus the bread
> stores was called 'hlafwardir' in old Norse - "loaf warden" so to speak,
> later "lavard", then, in England, �"laird" and "lord".
>
> And so we have covered bread and wine in this topic too...
>
> :-) Anders

John Kongsgaard makes very small quantities of expensive "boutique"
wine. Most of it is sold via mailing list and there is a waiting line
for the mailing list. His top chardonnay, "The Judge" named after
his father who actually was the Judge in Napa County for many years.
The wine is quite concentrated and has a strong minerality and stoney
component much like a Grand Cru white burgundy.

On Apr 29, 4:05�am, "Anders T�rneskog" >
wrote:
> "Bi!!" > skrev i erested in John Kongsgaard's background.
>
> I've seen that name but not the wines over here.
>
> Kongsgaard could be literally translated "Kings yard" which stems from early
> medieval times when the king owned residences in various parts of the
> country and travelled between them to do local administration, legal courts
> and live off produce collected as taxes.
>
> The official responsible for managing the kings house and thus the bread
> stores was called 'hlafwardir' in old Norse - "loaf warden" so to speak,
> later "lavard", then, in England, �"laird" and "lord".
>
> And so we have covered bread and wine in this topic too...
>
> :-) Anders

Kongsgaard is a small boutique winery with a very limited distribution
mainly via mailing list. His top chardonnay is called "The Judge"
named after his late father the former judge of Napa County. The
Judge is quite intensely citrus and lemon peel with a strong stoney
mineral component that some liken to Batard Montrachet.

On 2009-04-27 08:03:02 -0700, "James Silverton"
> said:
>>
>
> The Viking discoverers of N. America called the place Vineland. Eric
> the Red said his German father-in-law swore that they had found grapes.
> There is still argument about that since Eric did not get very far
> south. However, European grapes, Vitis vinifera, can be grown in
> Ontario.

"Can" and "Should be" may be two different things... :-)