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Last night SOBER met at my place. Betsy made a nice meal, and we had
some cheeses from a new place in Bronxville. I set up my wine station on the washer and dryer so no one could spy the wines being served blind, the basement is at a nice holding temp of about 60 right now. My notes are even more rudimentary than useful, instead of my usual stream of consciousness scribblings I was making notes when I went down for next flight. As people arrived we had a non-blind wine, the 1997 Philipponnat "Clos des Goisses" Champagne Brut. I liked this quite a lot, although someone commented on the softness for Clos des Goisses. Citrus and green apple, a chalky/stony minerality. This is pretty much a drink now, but a fun drink now! Wish I had gotten another one or two at Posner's closeout. B+ On to the doubleblind (but not for me) wines Flight 1 (with a gingery seafood risotto) 1989 Trimbach "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Riesling Vendange Tardive I got to give Gilman credit. His guesses in order were "Alsace", "Vendange Tardive", "Trimbach" and "1989" Really lovely wine, maybe my WOTN, long, precise, focused. Good acidity, big on palate, citrus and a bit of petrol. A-/A 1990 Trimbach "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Riesling Vendange Tardive Several thought this German. More apparent sweetness (though still basically dry), quite minerally, long. Some people liked it much less than the 1989, but for me they were pretty close. I thought lovely. A- We paused from our blind festivities to make a toast to the hostess, as today is Betsy's birthday, and the actual party isn't till next week. So I poured the 1959 Marques de Murrieta Ygay Gran Reserva. Perfect label so I assume recent release, the gunky cork is clearly original. Showing well and quite young, midbodied with a slightly lifted nose. Red fruits accented with spice and citrus zest. A- Flight 2 1985 Phelps "Backus" Cabernet Sauvignon Craig quickly said both wines from same producer. John went Cal Cab. The Backus got general approval around table, solid black plum and currants, big dose of mint/eucalyptus, resolving tannins. A-/B+ 1987 Phelps "Eisele" Cabernet Sauvignon This provoked some debate, some feeling it was too woody. Certainly suffers from being served next to the Backus, riper wine that is maybe entering decline. But served by itself I would have been happy with it. B Flight 3 I served this just before the beef in Barolo (well, actually beef in Barbaresco) made it to the table, to keep from giving hint. Initial guesses from nose centered on Cabernet, and then Sangiovese. Once they were on Nebbiolo, they quickly got which was Barbaresco and which Barolo, and vintage. Beef was served with potatoes and crispy kale. 1985 Prunotto "Rabaja" Barbaresco Nose is not very Nebbioloish, dark fruits, leather. On palate more apparent- redder fruits, tar (remember, not blind for me, so I'm looking for this), resolved tannins. B+ 1985 Marcarini "Brunate" Barolo A little VA, bigger, red and black fruits, good length, still some tannin. No hurry on this one. B+ Flight 4 1971 Renato Ratti "Marcenasco" Barolo My intention was to open to check for corkiness and let these slowly oxygenate. But when I went to open this just before guests arrived, cork was like sawdust. I decanted through a filter, and a rather foul smelling light color browning wine came out. The bottle had more sediment that I have ever seen other than MAYBE a VP. Since a couple people couldn't make it, I had decided to skip flight 5, but added back in as I expected this to be undrinkable. But lo and behold, when I went down for the first flight, the color had deepened. And the foul smell had blown off. And by time it was served (about 3 hours after opening) it was a perfectly nice mature Barolo. Good acids, red and black cherries, wet moss, tar. The miracle bottle. F on opening, B+/A- later. 1971 F. Rinaldi Barolo I didn't actually write anything down for this other than "some VA" , I know I thought it a pleasant mature Barolo, but preferred the Ratti. B Flight 5 1983 Drouhin "Clos des Mouches" Beaune I said it was a much maligned vintage, and 1983 Burgundy was quickly guessed. John went Pommard and then Beaune, and got the CdM. Craig said he got a little rot, to me I couldn't find it. A nice bowl of cherries with a bit of cedar and dirt. Great showing for the vintage. B +/A- 1989 Drouhin Charmes-Chambertin This was servicable, but maybe my least favorite red of the night. Clearly Burgundy (even to those tasting blind), ripe, low acid, a bit short, with a slight horsey note. OK, but the 1er cru kicked the GC's butt. B- Flight 6 1963 Warres Vintage Port Mark and I had each gotten this at a good price recently from Pops, so he wasn't allowed guesses. I think initial guesses were in 70s, but overall they got vintage quickly (producer, not so fast). Fig paste, spices, nice if not profound. B+ 1972 Mayacamas Late Harvest Zinfandel It was kinda funny because at first Mark thought this was the port, and had a "uh oh I own this?" look on his face. Several people thought it was port, but then Craig said late harvest Cali Cab. Pretty close! This is an interesting and kind of weird wine, a changing palette of herb notes- one minute oregano, then mint,. then green tobacco leaf, etc. All over a fruit base of raisins and ripe plums with some cocoa. B I had shocked everyone by serving no Bordeaux! Fun night, most of the wines showed as well as I could have hoped, fun people to host. Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent*wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't*drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no*promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.** |
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On Dec 4, 11:03�am, DaleW > wrote:
> Last night SOBER met at my place. Betsy made a nice meal, and we had > some cheeses from a new place in Bronxville. I set up my wine station > on the washer and dryer so no one could spy the wines being served > blind, the basement is at a nice holding temp of about 60 right now. > > My notes are even more rudimentary than useful, instead of my usual > stream of consciousness scribblings I was making notes when I went > down for next flight. > > As people arrived we had a non-blind wine, the 1997 Philipponnat "Clos > des Goisses" Champagne Brut. I liked this quite a lot, although > someone commented on the softness for Clos des Goisses. Citrus and > green apple, a chalky/stony minerality. �This is pretty much a drink > now, but a fun drink now! Wish I had gotten another one or two at > Posner's closeout. �B+ > > On to the doubleblind (but not for me) wines > > Flight 1 �(with a gingery seafood risotto) > > 1989 Trimbach "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Riesling Vendange Tardive > I got to give Gilman credit. His guesses in order were "Alsace", > "Vendange Tardive", "Trimbach" and "1989" �Really lovely wine, maybe > my WOTN, long, precise, focused. Good acidity, big on palate, citrus > and a bit of petrol. A-/A > > 1990 Trimbach "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Riesling Vendange Tardive > Several thought this German. More apparent sweetness (though still > basically dry), quite minerally, long. �Some people liked it much less > than the 1989, but for me they were pretty close. I thought lovely. A- > > We paused from our blind festivities to make a toast to the hostess, > as today is Betsy's birthday, and the actual party isn't till next > week. So I poured the 1959 Marques de Murrieta Ygay Gran Reserva. > Perfect label so I assume recent release, the gunky cork is clearly > original. Showing well and quite young, midbodied with a slightly > lifted nose. Red fruits accented with spice and citrus zest. A- > > Flight 2 > 1985 Phelps "Backus" Cabernet Sauvignon > Craig quickly said both wines from same producer. John went Cal Cab. > The Backus got general approval around table, solid black plum and > currants, big dose of mint/eucalyptus, resolving tannins. A-/B+ > > 1987 Phelps "Eisele" Cabernet Sauvignon > This provoked some debate, some feeling it was too woody. Certainly > suffers from being served next to the Backus, riper wine that is maybe > entering decline. But served by itself I would have been happy with > it. B > > Flight 3 > I served this just before the beef in Barolo (well, actually beef in > Barbaresco) made it to the table, to keep from giving hint. Initial > guesses from nose centered on Cabernet, and then Sangiovese. Once they > were on Nebbiolo, they quickly got which was Barbaresco and which > Barolo, and vintage. Beef was served with potatoes and crispy kale. > > 1985 Prunotto "Rabaja" Barbaresco > Nose is not very Nebbioloish, dark fruits, leather. On palate more > apparent- redder fruits, tar (remember, not blind for me, so I'm > looking for this), resolved tannins. B+ > > 1985 Marcarini "Brunate" Barolo > A little VA, bigger, red and black fruits, good length, still some > tannin. No hurry on this one. B+ > > Flight 4 > 1971 Renato Ratti "Marcenasco" Barolo > My intention was to open to check for corkiness and let these slowly > oxygenate. But when I went to open this just before guests arrived, > cork was like sawdust. I decanted through a filter, and a rather foul > smelling light color browning wine came out. The bottle had more > sediment �that I have ever seen other than MAYBE a VP. Since a couple > people couldn't make it, I had decided to skip flight 5, but added > back in as I expected this to be undrinkable. But lo and behold, when > I went down for the first flight, the color had deepened. And the foul > smell had blown off. And by time it was served (about 3 hours after > opening) it was a perfectly nice mature Barolo. Good acids, red and > black cherries, wet moss, tar. The miracle bottle. F on opening, B+/A- > later. > > 1971 F. Rinaldi Barolo > I didn't actually write anything down for this other than "some VA" , > I know I thought it a pleasant mature Barolo, but preferred the Ratti. > B > > Flight 5 > 1983 Drouhin "Clos des Mouches" Beaune > I said it was a much maligned vintage, and 1983 Burgundy was quickly > guessed. John went Pommard and then Beaune, and got the CdM. Craig > said he got a little rot, to me I couldn't find it. A nice bowl of > cherries with a bit of cedar and dirt. Great showing for the vintage. B > +/A- > > 1989 Drouhin Charmes-Chambertin > This was servicable, but maybe my least favorite red of the night. > Clearly Burgundy (even to those tasting blind), ripe, low acid, a bit > short, with a slight horsey note. OK, but the 1er cru kicked the GC's > butt. B- > > Flight 6 > 1963 Warres Vintage Port > Mark and I had each gotten this at a good price recently from Pops, so > he wasn't allowed guesses. I think initial guesses were in 70s, but > overall they got vintage quickly (producer, not so fast). Fig paste, > spices, nice if not profound. B+ > > 1972 Mayacamas Late Harvest Zinfandel > It was kinda funny because at first Mark thought this was the port, > and had a "uh oh I own this?" look on his face. Several people thought > it was port, but then Craig said late harvest Cali Cab. Pretty close! > This is an interesting and kind of weird wine, a changing palette of > herb notes- one minute oregano, then mint,. then green tobacco leaf, > etc. All over a fruit base of raisins and ripe plums with some cocoa. > B > > I had shocked everyone by serving no Bordeaux! Fun night, most of the > wines showed as well as I could have hoped, fun people to host. > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an > excellent�wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I > wouldn't�drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I > offer no�promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of > consistency.�� SOunds like a fun line-up thanks for the notes. I have a bottle of the '87 Phelps Eisele that I planning on opening for the New Year. I'll report on it. |
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On Dec 4, 12:09*pm, "Bi!!" > wrote:
> On Dec 4, 11:03 am, DaleW > wrote: > > > > > > > Last night SOBER met at my place. Betsy made a nice meal, and we had > > some cheeses from a new place in Bronxville. I set up my wine station > > on the washer and dryer so no one could spy the wines being served > > blind, the basement is at a nice holding temp of about 60 right now. > > > My notes are even more rudimentary than useful, instead of my usual > > stream of consciousness scribblings I was making notes when I went > > down for next flight. > > > As people arrived we had a non-blind wine, the 1997 Philipponnat "Clos > > des Goisses" Champagne Brut. I liked this quite a lot, although > > someone commented on the softness for Clos des Goisses. Citrus and > > green apple, a chalky/stony minerality. This is pretty much a drink > > now, but a fun drink now! Wish I had gotten another one or two at > > Posner's closeout. B+ > > > On to the doubleblind (but not for me) wines > > > Flight 1 (with a gingery seafood risotto) > > > 1989 Trimbach "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Riesling Vendange Tardive > > I got to give Gilman credit. His guesses in order were "Alsace", > > "Vendange Tardive", "Trimbach" and "1989" Really lovely wine, maybe > > my WOTN, long, precise, focused. Good acidity, big on palate, citrus > > and a bit of petrol. A-/A > > > 1990 Trimbach "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Riesling Vendange Tardive > > Several thought this German. More apparent sweetness (though still > > basically dry), quite minerally, long. Some people liked it much less > > than the 1989, but for me they were pretty close. I thought lovely. A- > > > We paused from our blind festivities to make a toast to the hostess, > > as today is Betsy's birthday, and the actual party isn't till next > > week. So I poured the 1959 Marques de Murrieta Ygay Gran Reserva. > > Perfect label so I assume recent release, the gunky cork is clearly > > original. Showing well and quite young, midbodied with a slightly > > lifted nose. Red fruits accented with spice and citrus zest. A- > > > Flight 2 > > 1985 Phelps "Backus" Cabernet Sauvignon > > Craig quickly said both wines from same producer. John went Cal Cab. > > The Backus got general approval around table, solid black plum and > > currants, big dose of mint/eucalyptus, resolving tannins. A-/B+ > > > 1987 Phelps "Eisele" Cabernet Sauvignon > > This provoked some debate, some feeling it was too woody. Certainly > > suffers from being served next to the Backus, riper wine that is maybe > > entering decline. But served by itself I would have been happy with > > it. B > > > Flight 3 > > I served this just before the beef in Barolo (well, actually beef in > > Barbaresco) made it to the table, to keep from giving hint. Initial > > guesses from nose centered on Cabernet, and then Sangiovese. Once they > > were on Nebbiolo, they quickly got which was Barbaresco and which > > Barolo, and vintage. Beef was served with potatoes and crispy kale. > > > 1985 Prunotto "Rabaja" Barbaresco > > Nose is not very Nebbioloish, dark fruits, leather. On palate more > > apparent- redder fruits, tar (remember, not blind for me, so I'm > > looking for this), resolved tannins. B+ > > > 1985 Marcarini "Brunate" Barolo > > A little VA, bigger, red and black fruits, good length, still some > > tannin. No hurry on this one. B+ > > > Flight 4 > > 1971 Renato Ratti "Marcenasco" Barolo > > My intention was to open to check for corkiness and let these slowly > > oxygenate. But when I went to open this just before guests arrived, > > cork was like sawdust. I decanted through a filter, and a rather foul > > smelling light color browning wine came out. The bottle had more > > sediment that I have ever seen other than MAYBE a VP. Since a couple > > people couldn't make it, I had decided to skip flight 5, but added > > back in as I expected this to be undrinkable. But lo and behold, when > > I went down for the first flight, the color had deepened. And the foul > > smell had blown off. And by time it was served (about 3 hours after > > opening) it was a perfectly nice mature Barolo. Good acids, red and > > black cherries, wet moss, tar. The miracle bottle. F on opening, B+/A- > > later. > > > 1971 F. Rinaldi Barolo > > I didn't actually write anything down for this other than "some VA" , > > I know I thought it a pleasant mature Barolo, but preferred the Ratti. > > B > > > Flight 5 > > 1983 Drouhin "Clos des Mouches" Beaune > > I said it was a much maligned vintage, and 1983 Burgundy was quickly > > guessed. John went Pommard and then Beaune, and got the CdM. Craig > > said he got a little rot, to me I couldn't find it. A nice bowl of > > cherries with a bit of cedar and dirt. Great showing for the vintage. B > > +/A- > > > 1989 Drouhin Charmes-Chambertin > > This was servicable, but maybe my least favorite red of the night. > > Clearly Burgundy (even to those tasting blind), ripe, low acid, a bit > > short, with a slight horsey note. OK, but the 1er cru kicked the GC's > > butt. B- > > > Flight 6 > > 1963 Warres Vintage Port > > Mark and I had each gotten this at a good price recently from Pops, so > > he wasn't allowed guesses. I think initial guesses were in 70s, but > > overall they got vintage quickly (producer, not so fast). Fig paste, > > spices, nice if not profound. B+ > > > 1972 Mayacamas Late Harvest Zinfandel > > It was kinda funny because at first Mark thought this was the port, > > and had a "uh oh I own this?" look on his face. Several people thought > > it was port, but then Craig said late harvest Cali Cab. Pretty close! > > This is an interesting and kind of weird wine, a changing palette of > > herb notes- one minute oregano, then mint,. then green tobacco leaf, > > etc. All over a fruit base of raisins and ripe plums with some cocoa. > > B > > > I had shocked everyone by serving no Bordeaux! Fun night, most of the > > wines showed as well as I could have hoped, fun people to host. > > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an > > excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I > > wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I > > offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of > > consistency. > > SOunds like a fun line-up thanks for the notes. *I have a bottle of > the '87 Phelps Eisele that I planning on opening for the New Year. > I'll report on it. Probably the wine with biggest disparities in views last night. A few thought it too woody and tannic. I thought it was a bit low acid for my tastes, and tannic, but not awfully so. Overall a nice wine, but I'd wonder if it would begin to dry out soon. |
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>, DaleW > wrote: > Last night SOBER met at my place. Betsy made a nice meal, and we had > some cheeses from a new place in Bronxville. I set up my wine station > on the washer and dryer so no one could spy the wines being served > blind, the basement is at a nice holding temp of about 60 right now. > > My notes are even more rudimentary than useful, instead of my usual > stream of consciousness scribblings I was making notes when I went > down for next flight. > > As people arrived we had a non-blind wine, the 1997 Philipponnat "Clos > des Goisses" Champagne Brut. I liked this quite a lot, although > someone commented on the softness for Clos des Goisses. Citrus and > green apple, a chalky/stony minerality. This is pretty much a drink > now, but a fun drink now! Wish I had gotten another one or two at > Posner's closeout. B+ > > On to the doubleblind (but not for me) wines > > Flight 1 (with a gingery seafood risotto) > > 1989 Trimbach "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Riesling Vendange Tardive > I got to give Gilman credit. His guesses in order were "Alsace", > "Vendange Tardive", "Trimbach" and "1989" Really lovely wine, maybe > my WOTN, long, precise, focused. Good acidity, big on palate, citrus > and a bit of petrol. A-/A > > 1990 Trimbach "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Riesling Vendange Tardive > Several thought this German. More apparent sweetness (though still > basically dry), quite minerally, long. Some people liked it much less > than the 1989, but for me they were pretty close. I thought lovely. A- > > We paused from our blind festivities to make a toast to the hostess, > as today is Betsy's birthday, and the actual party isn't till next > week. So I poured the 1959 Marques de Murrieta Ygay Gran Reserva. > Perfect label so I assume recent release, the gunky cork is clearly > original. Showing well and quite young, midbodied with a slightly > lifted nose. Red fruits accented with spice and citrus zest. A- > > Flight 2 > 1985 Phelps "Backus" Cabernet Sauvignon > Craig quickly said both wines from same producer. John went Cal Cab. > The Backus got general approval around table, solid black plum and > currants, big dose of mint/eucalyptus, resolving tannins. A-/B+ > > 1987 Phelps "Eisele" Cabernet Sauvignon > This provoked some debate, some feeling it was too woody. Certainly > suffers from being served next to the Backus, riper wine that is maybe > entering decline. But served by itself I would have been happy with > it. B > > Flight 3 > I served this just before the beef in Barolo (well, actually beef in > Barbaresco) made it to the table, to keep from giving hint. Initial > guesses from nose centered on Cabernet, and then Sangiovese. Once they > were on Nebbiolo, they quickly got which was Barbaresco and which > Barolo, and vintage. Beef was served with potatoes and crispy kale. > > 1985 Prunotto "Rabaja" Barbaresco > Nose is not very Nebbioloish, dark fruits, leather. On palate more > apparent- redder fruits, tar (remember, not blind for me, so I'm > looking for this), resolved tannins. B+ > > 1985 Marcarini "Brunate" Barolo > A little VA, bigger, red and black fruits, good length, still some > tannin. No hurry on this one. B+ > > Flight 4 > 1971 Renato Ratti "Marcenasco" Barolo > My intention was to open to check for corkiness and let these slowly > oxygenate. But when I went to open this just before guests arrived, > cork was like sawdust. I decanted through a filter, and a rather foul > smelling light color browning wine came out. The bottle had more > sediment that I have ever seen other than MAYBE a VP. Since a couple > people couldn't make it, I had decided to skip flight 5, but added > back in as I expected this to be undrinkable. But lo and behold, when > I went down for the first flight, the color had deepened. And the foul > smell had blown off. And by time it was served (about 3 hours after > opening) it was a perfectly nice mature Barolo. Good acids, red and > black cherries, wet moss, tar. The miracle bottle. F on opening, B+/A- > later. > > 1971 F. Rinaldi Barolo > I didn't actually write anything down for this other than "some VA" , > I know I thought it a pleasant mature Barolo, but preferred the Ratti. > B > > Flight 5 > 1983 Drouhin "Clos des Mouches" Beaune > I said it was a much maligned vintage, and 1983 Burgundy was quickly > guessed. John went Pommard and then Beaune, and got the CdM. Craig > said he got a little rot, to me I couldn't find it. A nice bowl of > cherries with a bit of cedar and dirt. Great showing for the vintage. B > +/A- > > 1989 Drouhin Charmes-Chambertin > This was servicable, but maybe my least favorite red of the night. > Clearly Burgundy (even to those tasting blind), ripe, low acid, a bit > short, with a slight horsey note. OK, but the 1er cru kicked the GC's > butt. B- > > Flight 6 > 1963 Warres Vintage Port > Mark and I had each gotten this at a good price recently from Pops, so > he wasn't allowed guesses. I think initial guesses were in 70s, but > overall they got vintage quickly (producer, not so fast). Fig paste, > spices, nice if not profound. B+ > > 1972 Mayacamas Late Harvest Zinfandel > It was kinda funny because at first Mark thought this was the port, > and had a "uh oh I own this?" look on his face. Several people thought > it was port, but then Craig said late harvest Cali Cab. Pretty close! > This is an interesting and kind of weird wine, a changing palette of > herb notes- one minute oregano, then mint,. then green tobacco leaf, > etc. All over a fruit base of raisins and ripe plums with some cocoa. > B > > I had shocked everyone by serving no Bordeaux! Fun night, most of the > wines showed as well as I could have hoped, fun people to host. > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an > excellent*wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I > wouldn't*drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I > offer no*promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of > consistency.** Have you had the Marques de Murrieta for a long time. That is amazing longevity for an inexpensive wine at the time but now over $600 per bottle. |
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On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:03:22 -0800, DaleW wrote:
> We paused from our blind festivities to make a toast to the hostess, as > today is Betsy's birthday, and the actual party isn't till next week. So > I poured the 1959 Marques de Murrieta Ygay Gran Reserva. Perfect label > so I assume recent release, the gunky cork is clearly original. Showing > well and quite young, midbodied with a slightly lifted nose. Red fruits > accented with spice and citrus zest. A- Ah, 1959 Murrieta brings back fond memories of the great era of Spanish wines IMHO. I used to purchase many of them at attractive prices because Spanish = Dictator Franco in many people's minds, which made them very "politically incorrect." The recent vintages of Murrieta have not been as interesting to me for a number of reasons. Godzilla |
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On Dec 4, 4:42*pm, Lawrence Leichtman > wrote:
> In article > >, > > > > > > *DaleW > wrote: > > Last night SOBER met at my place. Betsy made a nice meal, and we had > > some cheeses from a new place in Bronxville. I set up my wine station > > on the washer and dryer so no one could spy the wines being served > > blind, the basement is at a nice holding temp of about 60 right now. > > > My notes are even more rudimentary than useful, instead of my usual > > stream of consciousness scribblings I was making notes when I went > > down for next flight. > > > As people arrived we had a non-blind wine, the 1997 Philipponnat "Clos > > des Goisses" Champagne Brut. I liked this quite a lot, although > > someone commented on the softness for Clos des Goisses. Citrus and > > green apple, a chalky/stony minerality. *This is pretty much a drink > > now, but a fun drink now! Wish I had gotten another one or two at > > Posner's closeout. *B+ > > > On to the doubleblind (but not for me) wines > > > Flight 1 *(with a gingery seafood risotto) > > > 1989 Trimbach "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Riesling Vendange Tardive > > I got to give Gilman credit. His guesses in order were "Alsace", > > "Vendange Tardive", "Trimbach" and "1989" *Really lovely wine, maybe > > my WOTN, long, precise, focused. Good acidity, big on palate, citrus > > and a bit of petrol. A-/A > > > 1990 Trimbach "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Riesling Vendange Tardive > > Several thought this German. More apparent sweetness (though still > > basically dry), quite minerally, long. *Some people liked it much less > > than the 1989, but for me they were pretty close. I thought lovely. A- > > > We paused from our blind festivities to make a toast to the hostess, > > as today is Betsy's birthday, and the actual party isn't till next > > week. So I poured the 1959 Marques de Murrieta Ygay Gran Reserva. > > Perfect label so I assume recent release, the gunky cork is clearly > > original. Showing well and quite young, midbodied with a slightly > > lifted nose. Red fruits accented with spice and citrus zest. A- > > > Flight 2 > > 1985 Phelps "Backus" Cabernet Sauvignon > > Craig quickly said both wines from same producer. John went Cal Cab. > > The Backus got general approval around table, solid black plum and > > currants, big dose of mint/eucalyptus, resolving tannins. A-/B+ > > > 1987 Phelps "Eisele" Cabernet Sauvignon > > This provoked some debate, some feeling it was too woody. Certainly > > suffers from being served next to the Backus, riper wine that is maybe > > entering decline. But served by itself I would have been happy with > > it. B > > > Flight 3 > > I served this just before the beef in Barolo (well, actually beef in > > Barbaresco) made it to the table, to keep from giving hint. Initial > > guesses from nose centered on Cabernet, and then Sangiovese. Once they > > were on Nebbiolo, they quickly got which was Barbaresco and which > > Barolo, and vintage. Beef was served with potatoes and crispy kale. > > > 1985 Prunotto "Rabaja" Barbaresco > > Nose is not very Nebbioloish, dark fruits, leather. On palate more > > apparent- redder fruits, tar (remember, not blind for me, so I'm > > looking for this), resolved tannins. B+ > > > 1985 Marcarini "Brunate" Barolo > > A little VA, bigger, red and black fruits, good length, still some > > tannin. No hurry on this one. B+ > > > Flight 4 > > 1971 Renato Ratti "Marcenasco" Barolo > > My intention was to open to check for corkiness and let these slowly > > oxygenate. But when I went to open this just before guests arrived, > > cork was like sawdust. I decanted through a filter, and a rather foul > > smelling light color browning wine came out. The bottle had more > > sediment *that I have ever seen other than MAYBE a VP. Since a couple > > people couldn't make it, I had decided to skip flight 5, but added > > back in as I expected this to be undrinkable. But lo and behold, when > > I went down for the first flight, the color had deepened. And the foul > > smell had blown off. And by time it was served (about 3 hours after > > opening) it was a perfectly nice mature Barolo. Good acids, red and > > black cherries, wet moss, tar. The miracle bottle. F on opening, B+/A- > > later. > > > 1971 F. Rinaldi Barolo > > I didn't actually write anything down for this other than "some VA" , > > I know I thought it a pleasant mature Barolo, but preferred the Ratti. > > B > > > Flight 5 > > 1983 Drouhin "Clos des Mouches" Beaune > > I said it was a much maligned vintage, and 1983 Burgundy was quickly > > guessed. John went Pommard and then Beaune, and got the CdM. Craig > > said he got a little rot, to me I couldn't find it. A nice bowl of > > cherries with a bit of cedar and dirt. Great showing for the vintage. B > > +/A- > > > 1989 Drouhin Charmes-Chambertin > > This was servicable, but maybe my least favorite red of the night. > > Clearly Burgundy (even to those tasting blind), ripe, low acid, a bit > > short, with a slight horsey note. OK, but the 1er cru kicked the GC's > > butt. B- > > > Flight 6 > > 1963 Warres Vintage Port > > Mark and I had each gotten this at a good price recently from Pops, so > > he wasn't allowed guesses. I think initial guesses were in 70s, but > > overall they got vintage quickly (producer, not so fast). Fig paste, > > spices, nice if not profound. B+ > > > 1972 Mayacamas Late Harvest Zinfandel > > It was kinda funny because at first Mark thought this was the port, > > and had a "uh oh I own this?" look on his face. Several people thought > > it was port, but then Craig said late harvest Cali Cab. Pretty close! > > This is an interesting and kind of weird wine, a changing palette of > > herb notes- one minute oregano, then mint,. then green tobacco leaf, > > etc. All over a fruit base of raisins and ripe plums with some cocoa. > > B > > > I had shocked everyone by serving no Bordeaux! Fun night, most of the > > wines showed as well as I could have hoped, fun people to host. > > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an > > excellent*wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I > > wouldn't*drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I > > offer no*promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of > > consistency.** > > Have you had the Marques de Murrieta for a long time. That is amazing > longevity for an inexpensive wine at the time but now over $600 per > bottle. No, got it this year! We got married in 2001, and I've been looking for bottles for this birthday since. I had managed to accumulate a few assorted comparatively low end 59s from various regions, but not the Ygay. I tasted and loved the '59 CVNE Vina Real, and mentioned it to Mark Golodetz, who said the Ygay was stunning value for under $200. But it was always more expensive when I saw, and I lost out on several auction lots. And then this fall I just stumbled on it for $199. Obvious recent release. I have 3 remaining 59s (a Loire, a Sauternes, and a St Julien) which will be opened Tues for her official party. So far so good, keeping fingers crossed. |
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On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:54:29 -0800, DaleW wrote:
> I tasted and loved the '59 CVNE Vina Real, and mentioned it to Mark > Golodetz, who said the Ygay was stunning value for under $200. The CVNE Vina Real '59 was possibly the most memorable red that I have ever enjoyed. I recall opening it when it was either 25 or 30 years of age. On the Davis 20 scale, I gave it a 19-1/2. Computers not being around in those days, I only possess mental notes and cannot fathom the reason that I withheld the 1/2 point, or perhaps I did give it a "20." Godzilla |
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>, DaleW > wrote: > On Dec 4, 4:42*pm, Lawrence Leichtman > wrote: > > In article > > >, > > > > > > > > > > > > *DaleW > wrote: > > > Last night SOBER met at my place. Betsy made a nice meal, and we had > > > some cheeses from a new place in Bronxville. I set up my wine station > > > on the washer and dryer so no one could spy the wines being served > > > blind, the basement is at a nice holding temp of about 60 right now. > > > > > My notes are even more rudimentary than useful, instead of my usual > > > stream of consciousness scribblings I was making notes when I went > > > down for next flight. > > > > > As people arrived we had a non-blind wine, the 1997 Philipponnat "Clos > > > des Goisses" Champagne Brut. I liked this quite a lot, although > > > someone commented on the softness for Clos des Goisses. Citrus and > > > green apple, a chalky/stony minerality. *This is pretty much a drink > > > now, but a fun drink now! Wish I had gotten another one or two at > > > Posner's closeout. *B+ > > > > > On to the doubleblind (but not for me) wines > > > > > Flight 1 *(with a gingery seafood risotto) > > > > > 1989 Trimbach "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Riesling Vendange Tardive > > > I got to give Gilman credit. His guesses in order were "Alsace", > > > "Vendange Tardive", "Trimbach" and "1989" *Really lovely wine, maybe > > > my WOTN, long, precise, focused. Good acidity, big on palate, citrus > > > and a bit of petrol. A-/A > > > > > 1990 Trimbach "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Riesling Vendange Tardive > > > Several thought this German. More apparent sweetness (though still > > > basically dry), quite minerally, long. *Some people liked it much less > > > than the 1989, but for me they were pretty close. I thought lovely. A- > > > > > We paused from our blind festivities to make a toast to the hostess, > > > as today is Betsy's birthday, and the actual party isn't till next > > > week. So I poured the 1959 Marques de Murrieta Ygay Gran Reserva. > > > Perfect label so I assume recent release, the gunky cork is clearly > > > original. Showing well and quite young, midbodied with a slightly > > > lifted nose. Red fruits accented with spice and citrus zest. A- > > > > > Flight 2 > > > 1985 Phelps "Backus" Cabernet Sauvignon > > > Craig quickly said both wines from same producer. John went Cal Cab. > > > The Backus got general approval around table, solid black plum and > > > currants, big dose of mint/eucalyptus, resolving tannins. A-/B+ > > > > > 1987 Phelps "Eisele" Cabernet Sauvignon > > > This provoked some debate, some feeling it was too woody. Certainly > > > suffers from being served next to the Backus, riper wine that is maybe > > > entering decline. But served by itself I would have been happy with > > > it. B > > > > > Flight 3 > > > I served this just before the beef in Barolo (well, actually beef in > > > Barbaresco) made it to the table, to keep from giving hint. Initial > > > guesses from nose centered on Cabernet, and then Sangiovese. Once they > > > were on Nebbiolo, they quickly got which was Barbaresco and which > > > Barolo, and vintage. Beef was served with potatoes and crispy kale. > > > > > 1985 Prunotto "Rabaja" Barbaresco > > > Nose is not very Nebbioloish, dark fruits, leather. On palate more > > > apparent- redder fruits, tar (remember, not blind for me, so I'm > > > looking for this), resolved tannins. B+ > > > > > 1985 Marcarini "Brunate" Barolo > > > A little VA, bigger, red and black fruits, good length, still some > > > tannin. No hurry on this one. B+ > > > > > Flight 4 > > > 1971 Renato Ratti "Marcenasco" Barolo > > > My intention was to open to check for corkiness and let these slowly > > > oxygenate. But when I went to open this just before guests arrived, > > > cork was like sawdust. I decanted through a filter, and a rather foul > > > smelling light color browning wine came out. The bottle had more > > > sediment *that I have ever seen other than MAYBE a VP. Since a couple > > > people couldn't make it, I had decided to skip flight 5, but added > > > back in as I expected this to be undrinkable. But lo and behold, when > > > I went down for the first flight, the color had deepened. And the foul > > > smell had blown off. And by time it was served (about 3 hours after > > > opening) it was a perfectly nice mature Barolo. Good acids, red and > > > black cherries, wet moss, tar. The miracle bottle. F on opening, B+/A- > > > later. > > > > > 1971 F. Rinaldi Barolo > > > I didn't actually write anything down for this other than "some VA" , > > > I know I thought it a pleasant mature Barolo, but preferred the Ratti. > > > B > > > > > Flight 5 > > > 1983 Drouhin "Clos des Mouches" Beaune > > > I said it was a much maligned vintage, and 1983 Burgundy was quickly > > > guessed. John went Pommard and then Beaune, and got the CdM. Craig > > > said he got a little rot, to me I couldn't find it. A nice bowl of > > > cherries with a bit of cedar and dirt. Great showing for the vintage. B > > > +/A- > > > > > 1989 Drouhin Charmes-Chambertin > > > This was servicable, but maybe my least favorite red of the night. > > > Clearly Burgundy (even to those tasting blind), ripe, low acid, a bit > > > short, with a slight horsey note. OK, but the 1er cru kicked the GC's > > > butt. B- > > > > > Flight 6 > > > 1963 Warres Vintage Port > > > Mark and I had each gotten this at a good price recently from Pops, so > > > he wasn't allowed guesses. I think initial guesses were in 70s, but > > > overall they got vintage quickly (producer, not so fast). Fig paste, > > > spices, nice if not profound. B+ > > > > > 1972 Mayacamas Late Harvest Zinfandel > > > It was kinda funny because at first Mark thought this was the port, > > > and had a "uh oh I own this?" look on his face. Several people thought > > > it was port, but then Craig said late harvest Cali Cab. Pretty close! > > > This is an interesting and kind of weird wine, a changing palette of > > > herb notes- one minute oregano, then mint,. then green tobacco leaf, > > > etc. All over a fruit base of raisins and ripe plums with some cocoa. > > > B > > > > > I had shocked everyone by serving no Bordeaux! Fun night, most of the > > > wines showed as well as I could have hoped, fun people to host. > > > > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an > > > excellent*wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I > > > wouldn't*drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I > > > offer no*promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of > > > consistency.** > > > > Have you had the Marques de Murrieta for a long time. That is amazing > > longevity for an inexpensive wine at the time but now over $600 per > > bottle. > > No, got it this year! We got married in 2001, and I've been looking > for bottles for this birthday since. I had managed to accumulate a few > assorted comparatively low end 59s from various regions, but not the > Ygay. I tasted and loved the '59 CVNE Vina Real, and mentioned it to > Mark Golodetz, who said the Ygay was stunning value for under $200. > But it was always more expensive when I saw, and I lost out on several > auction lots. And then this fall I just stumbled on it for $199. > Obvious recent release. > I have 3 remaining 59s (a Loire, a Sauternes, and a St Julien) which > will be opened Tues for her official party. So far so good, keeping > fingers crossed. That is indeed a great buy. Sounds like a great birthday celebration. |
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DaleW wrote:
> We paused from our blind festivities to make a toast to the hostess, > as today is Betsy's birthday, and the actual party isn't till next > week. So I poured the 1959 Marques de Murrieta Ygay Gran Reserva. > Perfect label so I assume recent release, the gunky cork is clearly > original. Showing well and quite young, midbodied with a slightly > lifted nose. Red fruits accented with spice and citrus zest. A- What a fantastic lineup of wines, Dale. You guys really put on a show. I'm glad to hear that the '59 Ygay showed as well as it did, given all the uncertainties of opening 50-year-old wines. Good luck with your remaining '59s and again, Happy Birthday to Betsy! Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.cwdjr.net |
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