In article >,
Mike Tommasi > wrote:
>
>Mmm, granted I am not objective, Venezia being my city, but it seems
>to me that if someone does not specify, Venice is in Italy, just as
>Berlin is in Germany and London in England... ;-)))


No, you aren't objective. I typed "Venice" into Google. Of the first
10 hits, 6 referenced the city in Italy, 2 referenced the city in
Florida, and 2 referenced the city in California.


Typing in "Venice wine" gave me 8 in Italy and 2 in Florida. Both Venice,
FL and Venice, CA are destinations unlike, say, Paris, TX. Being in Italy
perhaps you do not realize that.


Dimitri

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:12:50 +0000 (UTC),
(D. Gerasimatos) wrote:

>In article >,
>Mike Tommasi > wrote:
>>
>>Mmm, granted I am not objective, Venezia being my city, but it seems
>>to me that if someone does not specify, Venice is in Italy, just as
>>Berlin is in Germany and London in England... ;-)))
>
>
>No, you aren't objective. I typed "Venice" into Google. Of the first
>10 hits, 6 referenced the city in Italy, 2 referenced the city in
>Florida, and 2 referenced the city in California.

And what happened to Illinois? Seems like Google missed a few...
>
>
>Typing in "Venice wine" gave me 8 in Italy and 2 in Florida. Both Venice,
>FL and Venice, CA are destinations unlike, say, Paris, TX. Being in Italy
>perhaps you do not realize that.

Hi Dimitri

<JUST KIDDING>
I know it is not nice to call little places "little" or fat people
"fat", I apologize for the typically european arrogance of my reply,
apologies to the the mayors of Venice FL and CA, and Illinois too, I
did not intend to start some kind of spanish inquisition, any
belittling of the importance of their respective puny villages (sorry,
cities) in history and world affairs was absolutely unintentional. My
assuming that Venice meant Venice Italy is inexcusable, in the future
I shall look up Google and check if there can be any confusion between
the first place that comes to my small enfeebled mind and some
godforsaken ******** (sorry, there I go again, I meant remote quaint
community) located in, gosh, another continent for Pete's sake!

But, if I may abuse of your patience for a few seconds more, please
let me ask you a question or two.

When you read something about the Roman Empire, do you need to be told
Rome-Italy just in case there was any doubt that it might have been
Rome, NY that invaded Gaul, or that Rome, GA had developed a brave
squad of Rubicon-crossers?

When you read about the Queen in London, do you need to know that it
is London, England or might you doubt that Buckingham palace could
have moved to Ontario or Kentucky or Ohio?

When you read about Paris being a fashion center, do you need to have
it specified as Paris France, or is any one of the 6 US cities so
named seeing a large influx of strange clothes and anoretic women?

And just what is wrong with Paris TX, why is it not a destination but
Venice FL is?
</JUST KIDDING>

I guess Google hits are what defines objectivity today...

;-)))))

Mike

In article >,
Mike Tommasi > wrote:
>
[snip!]
>
>I guess Google hits are what defines objectivity today...
>
>;-)))))


No, just a general knowledge of geography and awareness of the world
around you. Isn't that what Americans are always accused of lacking?
Unlike your other examples (e.g. Rome) there are other cities named Venice
that are indeed travel destinations. While I can recommend a wine shop
in Venice, CA I am not so knowledgeable about wine shops in Venice, FL
(or Venice, Italy). Hence, I asked for a clarification.


Next someone is going to ask about wine shops in Valencia or in Orange
County.


Dimitri

"D. Gerasimatos" > wrote in message
...
>
> .......
> Typing in "Venice wine" gave me 8 in Italy and 2 in Florida. Both Venice,
> FL and Venice, CA are destinations unlike, say, Paris, TX. Being in Italy
> perhaps you do not realize that.
> .......
>

Not at all that simple. Google operates its search engines
with regard for the country of origin of the query, hence there
are multiple Googles: www.google.it, www.google.fr, etcetera.
If you request information on "Venice" from Google Italy
you will get different results from the same request in Google
France, and so forth. As you are in the US you connect to
Google USA. Being in the US perhaps you do not realize that.

pavane

In article >,
pavane > wrote:
>
>Not at all that simple. Google operates its search engines
>with regard for the country of origin of the query, hence there
>are multiple Googles: www.google.it, www.google.fr, etcetera.
>If you request information on "Venice" from Google Italy
>you will get different results from the same request in Google
>France, and so forth. As you are in the US you connect to
>Google USA. Being in the US perhaps you do not realize that.


However, Usenet is international. My point in using Google was only to
show that in some countries/regions at least, it is not at all clear that
Venice is necessarily the city in Italy. It is not unreasonable at all to
ask for clarification.


Dimitri

(D. Gerasimatos) wrote:

> However, Usenet is international. My point in using Google was
> only to show that in some countries/regions at least, it is not
> at all clear that Venice is necessarily the city in Italy. It is
> not unreasonable at all to ask for clarification.

It was, however, quite superfluous in this specific case, since
both the original poster and those who actually provided an answer
to the OP's question didn't need any clarification: All three were
well aware about Venice, without any need of extra clarification.

M.

In article >,
Michael Pronay > wrote:
>
>It was, however, quite superfluous in this specific case, since
>both the original poster and those who actually provided an answer
>to the OP's question didn't need any clarification: All three were
>well aware about Venice, without any need of extra clarification.


How nice of you to speak for the entire audience of this newsgroup and
decide whether they needed clarification or not.


Dimitri

Salut/Hi D. Gerasimatos,

le/on Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:12:50 +0000 (UTC), tu disais/you said:-

>In article >,
>Mike Tommasi > wrote:
>>
>>Mmm, granted I am not objective, Venezia being my city, but it seems
>>to me that if someone does not specify, Venice is in Italy, just as
>>Berlin is in Germany and London in England... ;-)))
>
>
>No, you aren't objective. I typed "Venice" into Google. Of the first
>10 hits, 6 referenced the city in Italy, 2 referenced the city in
>Florida, and 2 referenced the city in California.

That proves Mike's point, it seems to me. And even for an American,
comparing Venice FL with the city of the Doges and scene of Monteverdi's
greatest hour is going a touch far.

>FL and Venice, CA are destinations unlike, say, Paris, TX. Being in Italy
>perhaps you do not realize that.

He isn't, his origins are there, but he's lived in Canada, and currently
lives in Southern France. A better qualification for a balanced world view
than many, it seems to me.

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare

Sometimes oi just sits and thinks
Sometimes oi just sits.

Burton Anderson in the 2002 edition of the Wines of Italy recommends Al
Volto in Italy's
Venice. I last visited there in 1985 and don't recall much, except it was
dingy...........I much prefer the shops of Verona, Italy not New Jersey.
--
Joe "Beppe" Rosenberg
"Ian Hoare" > wrote in message
...
> Salut/Hi D. Gerasimatos,
>
> le/on Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:12:50 +0000 (UTC), tu disais/you said:-
>
> >In article >,
> >Mike Tommasi > wrote:
> >>
> >>Mmm, granted I am not objective, Venezia being my city, but it seems
> >>to me that if someone does not specify, Venice is in Italy, just as
> >>Berlin is in Germany and London in England... ;-)))
> >
> >
> >No, you aren't objective. I typed "Venice" into Google. Of the first
> >10 hits, 6 referenced the city in Italy, 2 referenced the city in
> >Florida, and 2 referenced the city in California.
>
> That proves Mike's point, it seems to me. And even for an American,
> comparing Venice FL with the city of the Doges and scene of Monteverdi's
> greatest hour is going a touch far.
>
> >FL and Venice, CA are destinations unlike, say, Paris, TX. Being in Italy
> >perhaps you do not realize that.
>
> He isn't, his origins are there, but he's lived in Canada, and currently
> lives in Southern France. A better qualification for a balanced world view
> than many, it seems to me.
>
> --
> All the Best
> Ian Hoare
>
> Sometimes oi just sits and thinks
> Sometimes oi just sits.

"Joe Beppe Rosenberg" ha scritto

> I much prefer the shops of Verona, Italy not New Jersey.

ROTFL!

Veeelco

"D. Gerasimatos" ha scritto

> No, you aren't objective. I typed "Venice" into Google. Of the first
> 10 hits, 6 referenced the city in Italy, 2 referenced the city in
> Florida, and 2 referenced the city in California.

Hey, LOL, do you also have Athens, Babylon and Kathmandu?
Nice place, the US, but I bet my cellar you don't have Rivalta.
Yeah!

Vilco

In article >,
Vilco > wrote:
>"D. Gerasimatos" ha scritto
>
>> No, you aren't objective. I typed "Venice" into Google. Of the first
>> 10 hits, 6 referenced the city in Italy, 2 referenced the city in
>> Florida, and 2 referenced the city in California.
>
>Hey, LOL, do you also have Athens, Babylon and Kathmandu?


Athens, Alabama
Athens, Arkansas
Athens, California
Athens, Georgia (the most well-known)
Athens, Illinois
Athens, Indiana
Athens, Kansas
Athens, Kentucky
Athens, Louisiana
Athens, Maine
Athens, Michigan
Athens, Minnesota
Athens, Mississippi
Athens, Missouri
Athens, New York
Athens, Ohio
Athens, Pennsylvania
Athens, Tennessee
Athens, Texas
Athens, Utah
Athens, Vermont
Athens, Virginia
Athens, West Virginia
Athens, Wisconsin


Babylon, New York
Bablyon, Illinois


>Nice place, the US, but I bet my cellar you don't have Rivalta.


No Kathmandu in the US, nor a Rivalta.


However, there are more Venices than the two well-known ones in Florida
and California:


Venice, Arkansas
Venice, Illinois
Venice, Louisiana
Venice, Missouri
Venice, Nebraska
Venice, Ohio
Venice, Pennsylvania
Venice, Utah
Venice, Washington


We even have a Venezia, Arizona.


Dimitri

(D. Gerasimatos) wrote:

> We even have a Venezia, Arizona.

Wow!

M.