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I have a bottle of Corbel Champagne I received for my wedding three years ago.
The bottle has never been opened. Does champagne go bad? Does the taste change after three years if the bottle is unopened? I know some will say "just taste it" but, since I'm not a champagne drinker, I want to give it to someone else. I don't want to end up giving them cider <G>. Any advise will be greatly appreciated. |
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It is just as well the bottle has never been opened, because once opened it
will lose the fizz quickly (flat Champagne isn't nice!) and go bad through oxidisation within a couple of days. Otherwise, it should keep for a few years, but unless it is a great Champagne - and I have never heard of Corbel - don't expect it to keep improving. My advice? Drink it up. Angela "PRV8EYE" > wrote in message ... > I have a bottle of Corbel Champagne I received for my wedding three years ago. > The bottle has never been opened. > Does champagne go bad? Does the taste change after three years if the bottle is > unopened? > I know some will say "just taste it" but, since I'm not a champagne drinker, I > want to give it to someone else. I don't want to end up giving them cider <G>. > Any advise will be greatly appreciated. |
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"pavane" ha scritto
> Korbel, a California sparkler deliberately > mislabeled as "Champagne." If it is labeled Champagne, France should impose an importation tax of 200% on every wine coming in France from the USA until this Korbel stops labeling Champagne what is not Champagne. Call this "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". Same should do we italians with canada, where some canadian has registered the trade mark "parma ham". Governments who don't care of theyr national products are a big source of frauds against consumers everywhere. And a big source of (stolen) income for dishonest companies. Vilco |
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I once read an article on this. For example Schramsburg is also labeled as
Champagne. The rationale was that the actual vines were from that region in France. Somehow I think that was felt to justify the naming of it. Not sure but I don't think they operate outside the scope of the law. They just choose not to show the respect for France by doing so. This is interesting as France has Dijon Mustard which is the best in the world. However the mustard seed comes from Canada for most. Should the name be changes to Canadian Mustard Seed Dijon Style? "Vilco" > wrote in message ... > "pavane" ha scritto > > > Korbel, a California sparkler deliberately > > mislabeled as "Champagne." > > If it is labeled Champagne, France should > impose an importation tax of 200% on every > wine coming in France from the USA until > this Korbel stops labeling Champagne what > is not Champagne. > Call this "an eye for an eye, a tooth > for a tooth". > > Same should do we italians with canada, > where some canadian has registered the > trade mark "parma ham". > > Governments who don't care of theyr > national products are a big source of > frauds against consumers everywhere. > And a big source of (stolen) income > for dishonest companies. > > Vilco > > |
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"dick" ha scritto
> This is interesting as France has Dijon Mustard which is the best in the > world. However the mustard seed comes from Canada for most. Should the > name be changes to Canadian Mustard Seed Dijon Style? Dijon Mustard is a french recipe so they can call it as they want. Champagne is a standardized product of a specific french region, so nobody out of that french region can call a wine "Champagne". That makes a great difference. If you like to eat canadian "parma ham", that's your business, but then you'd be eating a fake. Same for the fake Champagne we were 'talking' about. Vilco |
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![]() "dick" > wrote in message ink.net... > I once read an article on this. For example Schramsburg is also labeled as > Champagne. Even though its still wrong in principle, Schramsburg is a product worthy of the name. Its quite another thing to produce something that tastes like carbonated apple juice and slap "Champagne" on it. Massa Blackadder -- "I wants to be in heaven with all my white folks, just to wait on them and love them, and serve them, sorta like I did in slavery time." - Betty Cofer, former slave. > The rationale was that the actual vines were from that region in France. > Somehow I think that was felt to justify the naming of it. > > Not sure but I don't think they operate outside the scope of the law. They > just choose not to show the respect for France by doing so. > > This is interesting as France has Dijon Mustard which is the best in the > world. However the mustard seed comes from Canada for most. Should the > name be changes to Canadian Mustard Seed Dijon Style? > > "Vilco" > wrote in message > ... > > "pavane" ha scritto > > > > > Korbel, a California sparkler deliberately > > > mislabeled as "Champagne." > > > > If it is labeled Champagne, France should > > impose an importation tax of 200% on every > > wine coming in France from the USA until > > this Korbel stops labeling Champagne what > > is not Champagne. > > Call this "an eye for an eye, a tooth > > for a tooth". > > > > Same should do we italians with canada, > > where some canadian has registered the > > trade mark "parma ham". > > > > Governments who don't care of theyr > > national products are a big source of > > frauds against consumers everywhere. > > And a big source of (stolen) income > > for dishonest companies. > > > > Vilco > > > > > > |
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![]() > This is interesting as France has Dijon Mustard which is the best in the > world. However the mustard seed comes from Canada for most. Should the > name be changes to Canadian Mustard Seed Dijon Style? > Nay laddie. How about "Hamilton ground (or not) Canadian Mustard Seed Mixed With Miscellaneous and Incidental Ingredients Dijon (France) Style". We do many things well here in Hamilton at the Western end of the Niagara Wine Route ;>)) -- Regards Chuck So much wine; So little time! To reply, delete NOSPAM from return address |
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![]() On 25-Oct-2003, "dick" > wrote: > I once read an article on this. For example Schramsburg is also labeled > as > Champagne. Do you mean to say "Schramsberg"? If so, where exactly do you find the word "Champagne" on the label? Schramsberg is a sparkling wine from California made in the "Methode Champenoise." "Method Champenoise" is the method by which Champagne is made, but it does not imply that it is Champagne, the region in France. There is a HUGE difference in calling a sparkling wine "Champagne", which some very cheap wines do, and indicating that you make it in the "Methode Champenoise". |
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Vilco wrote:
> "pavane" ha scritto > > >>Korbel, a California sparkler deliberately >>mislabeled as "Champagne." > > > If it is labeled Champagne, France should > impose an importation tax of 200% on every > wine coming in France from the USA until > this Korbel stops labeling Champagne what > is not Champagne. > Call this "an eye for an eye, a tooth > for a tooth". Blah blah blah. Consumers that give a sh*t understand the difference between "champagne" from California and Champagne. Other consumers don't matter (they don't care... they just don't know the difference and don't care anyway). Now, I'm a guy that's uptight enough to call sparkling wine from California "sparkling wine" in casual conversation. I *get it*. I also don't buy much French wine. If worrying about your name is a big deal, I'm not interesting in your wine. The reasons should be obvious. Dana |
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Salut/Hi Dana Myers,
le/on Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:54:25 -0700, tu disais/you said:- >Consumers that give a sh*t understand the difference >between "champagne" from California and Champagne. That's probab ly true, yes. > Other consumers don't matter (they don't care... they just don't >know the difference and don't care anyway). I'm sorry, Dana, I find that a little arrogant towards the millions of people who buy "champagne" in those countries which allow their local sparklers to be called that, and all similar attempts to pass off local products using prestigious names from elsewhere. It's not JUST dishonest vis-a-vis the people in the areas whose product names are being usurped, but worse, it's fraud against the consumer. As you say, they may well not know the difference, or that "Tokay d'Alsace" or "Tokay" from Rutherglen are attempts to pass off their products (decent enough to stand on their own names) as "the real thing". >buy much French wine. If worrying about your name >is a big deal, I'm not interesting in your wine. The >reasons should be obvious. They aren't. Not to me anyway. Passing off is passing off whether it's "Feta cheese" or "Tokay" or "Parma ham" from France or "Champagne" from the USA or Australia or "Blue Mountain Coffee" from Sumatra. It cheats both the producer and the consumer. And saying that because the consumer is not yet knowledgeable enough to know, s/he doesn't matter, is as arrogant and dishonest as anything I've read recently. Sorry, but that's how I see it. Ignorance can be cured by knowledge. An ignorant consumer (I have lots of visitors who are ignorant about wine here) can usually tell the difference when they get a chance to taste one wine against the other. As to which they will prefer, that's another matter. But I CANNOT accept that it right that laws don't forbid producers/ entrepreneurs/importers from passsing off, no matter how long the fraud has been going on. This isn't in any sense to be taken as anti-American, because I feel JUST as strongly about French and British passing off. More so in fact, as these countries take a strong stance against it when it is their products whose names are being misused. -- All the Best Ian Hoare Sometimes oi just sits and thinks Sometimes oi just sits. |
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