Except for the Cavit i had yesterday, why do most pinot noir's come in these
funky non conventional wine bottles?

"pinueve" in ink.net...
> Except for the Cavit i had yesterday, why do most pinot noir's
> come in these funky non conventional wine bottles?

Infidel! It is the lesser wine's of the world that come in non-standard
bottle's. (And you left out the neighboring wine's of the Rhône and it's
related wine's around the world. To say nothing of Champagne and it's kin.)

I'm telling the Clos de Vougeot on you. (A certain Brotherhood gathers
there, its influence is far, its outfits cool.)

pinueve wrote:
> Except for the Cavit i had yesterday, why do most pinot noir's come in these
> funky non conventional wine bottles?
>
>
What convention do you refer to? If you scour your local wine merchant,
you'll typically find 3 different bottle shapes: the slope-shouldered
Burgundy bottle (your Pinot Noir bottle); the Bordeaux bottle (vertical
sides, sharp shoulders) and the tapered bottles of Germany and Alsace.
Of the 3, I'd view the Bordeaux bottle as the most "funky" in that it
must have been the most difficult to produce for early glassblowers
(sharp angles aren't easy to get). But, because of the amount of
sediment thrown by aging Bordeaux wines (and Port, where the same shape
is used), the Bordelais adopted the steep shoulders to help trap the
sediment during decanting of aged wine. By the time California got into
the wine business, it was easy to produce any shape of bottle, so they
adopted the Bordeaux model for their "Bordeaux" varietals, and the
Burgundy shape for their "Burgundy" varietals.

HTH
Mark Lipton

"Mark Lipton" > wrote in message
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> pinueve wrote:
> > Except for the Cavit i had yesterday, why do most pinot noir's come in
these
> > funky non conventional wine bottles?
> >
> >
> What convention do you refer to? If you scour your local wine merchant,
> you'll typically find 3 different bottle shapes: the slope-shouldered
> Burgundy bottle (your Pinot Noir bottle); the Bordeaux bottle (vertical
> sides, sharp shoulders) and the tapered bottles of Germany and Alsace.
> Of the 3, I'd view the Bordeaux bottle as the most "funky" in that it
> must have been the most difficult to produce for early glassblowers
> (sharp angles aren't easy to get). But, because of the amount of
> sediment thrown by aging Bordeaux wines (and Port, where the same shape
> is used), the Bordelais adopted the steep shoulders to help trap the
> sediment during decanting of aged wine. By the time California got into
> the wine business, it was easy to produce any shape of bottle, so they
> adopted the Bordeaux model for their "Bordeaux" varietals, and the
> Burgundy shape for their "Burgundy" varietals.
>
As a matter of fact, for storing bottles the Bordeaux shaped is best. A pile
of Bordeaux bottles is much more stable than their Burgundy or Alsace
cousins. And they take less place.

So one might conclude Bordeaux is becoming the standard shape for practical
reasons. But I don't see such a trend: I have examples where producers
changed the shape from Bordeaux to Burgundy. I never asked them why, but
usually I welcome the shape change.

IMHO the bottle should reflect the content, just as stemware is supposed to
do:

Bordeaux: austere, intellectual approach
Burgundy: baroque, hedonistic approach
Flute (Alsace): elegant, sublime

Just my opinion.
Martin

"Martin Schulz" > wrote in
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>>
> As a matter of fact, for storing bottles the Bordeaux shaped is best.
> A pile of Bordeaux bottles is much more stable than their Burgundy or
> Alsace cousins. And they take less place.
>
Space? actually if you are laying the bottles out alternating neck in ,
neck out the Burgundies (and Alsatians)tend to take less space as they fit
together more like a jig saw puzzle. It just depends on how one arranges
things.

"jcoulter" > wrote in message
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> > As a matter of fact, for storing bottles the Bordeaux shaped is best.
> > A pile of Bordeaux bottles is much more stable than their Burgundy or
> > Alsace cousins. And they take less place.
> >
> Space? actually if you are laying the bottles out alternating neck in ,
> neck out the Burgundies (and Alsatians)tend to take less space as they fit
> together more like a jig saw puzzle. It just depends on how one arranges
> things.
>
Sorry. I was not specific enough. Bordeaux shape takes less space in most
standard wine racks, e.g. http://jmf-online.de/Seiten/steine/standard.html.
The upper part of this stone holds 11 Bordeaux, but only 8 Burgundies.

Martin

"Martin Schulz" > wrote in
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>
> "jcoulter" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > As a matter of fact, for storing bottles the Bordeaux shaped is
>> > best. A pile of Bordeaux bottles is much more stable than their
>> > Burgundy or Alsace cousins. And they take less place.
>> >
>> Space? actually if you are laying the bottles out alternating neck in
>> , neck out the Burgundies (and Alsatians)tend to take less space as
>> they fit together more like a jig saw puzzle. It just depends on how
>> one arranges things.
>>
> Sorry. I was not specific enough. Bordeaux shape takes less space in
> most standard wine racks, e.g.
> http://jmf-online.de/Seiten/steine/standard.html. The upper part of
> this stone holds 11 Bordeaux, but only 8 Burgundies.
>
> Martin
>
>
>

and I apologize for getting cute Bordeaux bottles can be stored as I
indicated as well and what is more can generally stack on top of each other
without danger of dumping forward.

again I was over thinking.