OK, so my mind is drifting a little. Wine people know
that Burgundy can be white or red, but "Burgundy" is
also used to describe a color - a shade of bluish-red.

We often find "Burgundy" clothing, carpet, paint, etc.,
and it's all red.

Like I said, my mind is drifting a little, but are the
folks in France disturbed because elsewhere in the world
the color of "Burgundy" is a shade of red?

As always, I'm just curious,
Dick R.

>are the
>folks in France disturbed because elsewhere in the world
>the color of "Burgundy" is a shade of red?

No.

Bill Spohn wrote:
>>are the
>>folks in France disturbed because elsewhere in the world
>>the color of "Burgundy" is a shade of red?
>
>
> No.
Thanks Bill. I didn't really think the French were concerned.
Just one of my musings.

Dick R. in the USA

"Emery Davis" > wrote in message
. ..
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:33:12 +0200, "Martin Schulz"
> said:
>
>
> Just out of interest, does the leather come from Napa? Nothing like a
nice
> leather armchair, is there.
>
Yes, it does. Not all the leather, of course, but the name. I'm an addicted
watcher of a German quiz show (quadruple choice questions). The answer to
the question "Where does the term 'Napa leather' come from?" is: Napa
Valley. I didn't expect that and I have no idea why. Maybe someone in the
group knows. Probably it's the skins of the Cabernet grapes - tough as
leather ;-)

Martin

"Martin Schulz" > wrote:

> I'm an addicted watcher of a German quiz show (quadruple choice
> questions).

This show is rather international; in English speaking countries
it's known under the name "How to become a Millionaire".

> The answer to the question "Where does the term 'Napa leather'
> come from?" is: Napa Valley.

To be correct, it's "Nappa-Leder" (nappa leather). The provenance
is the town of Napa, not the valley, btw.

> I didn't expect that and I have no idea why. Maybe someone in
> the group knows. Probably it's the skins of the Cabernet grapes
> - tough as leather ;-)

Probably not. But I can't give a clue - maybe historically Napa
was a tanner's town?

M.

Michael Pronay wrote:

>>The answer to the question "Where does the term 'Napa leather'
>>come from?" is: Napa Valley.
>
>
> To be correct, it's "Nappa-Leder" (nappa leather). The provenance
> is the town of Napa, not the valley, btw.

[...]

> But I can't give a clue - maybe historically Napa
> was a tanner's town?

It might be related to the Sawyer Tannery, which
operated on the banks of the Napa River from 1869
until closing in 1990, which may have been the
origin of "Napa Patent Leather".

Dana

Dana Myers > wrote:

>> But I can't give a clue - maybe historically Napa was a
>> tanner's town?

> It might be related to the Sawyer Tannery, which operated on the
> banks of the Napa River from 1869 until closing in 1990, which
> may have been the origin of "Napa Patent Leather".

Thank you for this info, seems quite probable. Interesting to
note, however, that spelling has changed: In German the leather
is "Nappa", while the wine region, of course, remains "Napa".

M.

"Michael Pronay" > skrev i melding
...
> ... Interesting to
> note, however, that spelling has changed: In German the leather
> is "Nappa", while the wine region, of course, remains "Napa".
>
"Nappa" in Scandinavia too. Nice to know the etymology, but why two p's?
Btw, "Burgunder"/"Bourgogne" are common colors in Norway - last Sunday I
checked out a small car for my wife, in that colour!
Anders

Anders Tørneskog wrote:
> "Michael Pronay" > skrev i melding
> ...
>>... Interesting to
>>note, however, that spelling has changed: In German the leather
>>is "Nappa", while the wine region, of course, remains "Napa".
> "Nappa" in Scandinavia too. Nice to know the etymology, but why two p's?
> Btw, "Burgunder"/"Bourgogne" are common colors in Norway - last Sunday I
> checked out a small car for my wife, in that colour!
> Anders

I notice that Mercedes advertises Napa Leather in their cars.

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:06:15 GMT, Bill >
wrote:

>Anders Tørneskog wrote:
>> "Michael Pronay" > skrev i melding
>> ...
>>>... Interesting to
>>>note, however, that spelling has changed: In German the leather
>>>is "Nappa", while the wine region, of course, remains "Napa".
>> "Nappa" in Scandinavia too. Nice to know the etymology, but why two p's?
>> Btw, "Burgunder"/"Bourgogne" are common colors in Norway - last Sunday I
>> checked out a small car for my wife, in that colour!
>> Anders
>
>I notice that Mercedes advertises Napa Leather in their cars.

In America I suppose.

In Italian it is also called Nappa.

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

"Emery Davis" wrote:
> "Martin Schulz" said:
>
> ] "Dick R." > wrote:
> ] > OK, so my mind is drifting a little. Wine people know
> ] > that Burgundy can be white or red, but "Burgundy" is
> ] > also used to describe a color - a shade of bluish-red.
> ] >
> ] I used to call this color "Bordeaux". I think a young red
> ] Bordeaux describes the color much better than a red
> ] Burgundy does whose color tends to be on the pale side.

You must try some other Burgundies, I suggest, Hr. Ing. Schulz. My own
experience with young Bordeaux and young Burgundies since first interest in
them in 1976 was that some distinctions of hue were consistent, but I would
not characterize most of the young Burgundies I and my fellow tasters see
regularly today as "pale." (OK parts of the terrible 1977 vintage, maybe.)

> Just out of interest, does the leather come from Napa?
> Nothing like a nice leather armchair, is there.
>
> -E

I agree, though I lack one. (I will also observe as a general factor on the
Internet, widely noted already, that armchairs are important supporters for
some of the "factual" assertions available there!)

Finally and further to the main topic, when much younger I worked as a
technician for a certain very large university in California known for
resplendent bureaucracy. A multi-copy document required for transferring
supplies from one department to another contained the awe-inspiring
instructions:

"Submit first five copies to accounting office where issued; canary copy to
X, goldenrod copy to Y, buff copy to Z, tan copy to W, ..."

Many similar tones of pale yellow. In comparison, Burgundy and Bordeaux are
like black and white.


Max Hauser

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:15:12 +0200, Bas van Beek >
wrote:

>Here in the Netherlands bordeaux is also used to describe
>a red type of color. Never heard of the burgundy color here.

In the UK we have both Burgundy and Claret as colours.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

Mike Tommasi wrote:


>>I notice that Mercedes advertises Napa Leather in their cars.
>
> In America I suppose.
>
> In Italian it is also called Nappa.

Well, if it is indeed a reference to "Napa Patent Leather"
from Napa, CA, then it is correct to call it "Napa". It's the
name of a place and the people in that place spell it
"Napa".

Dana