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Leo Bueno
 
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Default Wine price markup at restaurants: your thoughts please.


What is the *maximum* restaurant price that you consider reasonable or
fair for a bottle of wine that sells at retail for $10?

Please express your opinion and see the current results at the
RESTAURANT WINE MARKUP POLL
http://home.earthlink.net/~leobueno/wine-markup.htm

The purpose of this poll is to estimate what wine consumers consider
to be a fair or reasonable markup price for wine at restaurants.

The question is not whether a restaurant should be able to charge, in
a legal or regulatory sense, whatever it pleases for the products it
sells. We assume that those of you taking this poll live in
quasi-free-market economies, so the premise is that the price should
be whatever the restaurant wants.

The inquiry is more personal; it focuses on your subjective
perspective as a wine consumer. So, please take the time to think
about and answer the question; two clicks is all it takes! You will
then see the results and comments from other folk.

Thanks.


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Max Hauser
 
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"Leo Bueno" wrote:
>
> What is the *maximum* restaurant price . . .
>
> Please express your opinion and see the current results
> at the RESTAURANT WINE MARKUP POLL
> http://home.earthlink.net/~leobueno/wine-markup.htm
>


Lately alt.food.wine displays many queries on wine markups and on such
questions as what is a hogshead (re barrels). Mr. Bueno, I note that you
are not completely new here. Do you own a general dictionary, for basics
like "hogshead?" I found the word instantly. I could probably have found
it by self-service even online. Have you done any research on the perennial
history of wine price markup discussion on the Usenet wine groups
(effortlessly available by archive search, back to 1982)?. If not, why not?
If so, why do you not explain what you have found in the corpus of easy
online data, before asking for more? groups.google.com showed 430 hits on
"markup" for alt.food.wine. (Please understand, if you just want to chat,
I am delighted and welcome it. It is the asking of tired questions _before_
tapping the existing answers, that I protest.) This must be the #1
Netiquette exception today -- Google cites it (below).

(I am awed that a recent, likely innocent newcomer here was discouraged
curtly on mere suspicion of trolling, while things like this are repeatedly
indulged. It seems that all Netiquette faults are equal, but some are much
more equal than others. If there is more to this situation, I'd appreciate
a constructive email from a third party.)

(The Usenet helps those who help themselves!)

MH

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gets asked right after someone answered it for the 100th time in a newsgroup
discussion.
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Midlife
 
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in article , Max Hauser at
wrote on 6/27/04 1:11 AM:

>
> (I am awed that a recent, likely innocent newcomer here was discouraged
> curtly on mere suspicion of trolling, while things like this are repeatedly
> indulged. It seems that all Netiquette faults are equal, but some are much
> more equal than others. If there is more to this situation, I'd appreciate
> a constructive email from a third party.)




I really have no horse in this race, but some of the positions/attitudes on
this group have begun to get under my skin lately. You ask for 3rd party
input.........

I did a Google Groups search for "markup poll" @alt.food.wine and found
that Mr. Bueno is the poster of the majority of the items on that specific
subject, having begun his poll over a month ago. I guess I fail to see how
his desire to quantify the opinions on this subject (apparently worth of,
indeed, 431 total posts) should be singled out for what can only be taken as
ridicule. If every poster who did not do a Google search before asking a
question was handled this way I think most of us would just just read this
group and never post. Is that what you want?

It seems that there is a pattern that occurs on these 'boards' where
long-time posters periodically become annoyed by newer people bringing up
tired, over-done subjects. That's totally understandable. But somewhere in
the Newsgroup etiquette archives there must be something about how to
discourage that politely.

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"Midlife" > wrote:
.. . .
> It seems that there is a pattern that occurs on these 'boards'
> where long-time posters periodically become annoyed by
> newer people bringing up tired, over-done subjects. That's
> totally understandable. But somewhere in the Newsgroup
> etiquette archives there must be something about how to
> discourage that politely.


Good point "Midlife" and I apologize to other readers for my sensitivity on
this point, and to Mr. Bueno.

The issue of the repetitive query on newsgroups (which Google singled out in
the quotation) is very old, and has worn some of us down, and it seems to be
accelerating. Suggestions for gracious handling would be welcome. (I have
searched.) The Lachenmann/Rosenberg FAQ list for this group does recommend
"Respect the readers of the group. / - Try using web resources before
peppering the group with questions." (The problem is not that the tree is
harvested incompletely, but that even the low-hanging fruit isn't picked.)

Max H.


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Steve Slatcher
 
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:16:17 -0700, "Max Hauser"
> wrote:

>"Midlife" > wrote:
>. . .
>> It seems that there is a pattern that occurs on these 'boards'
>> where long-time posters periodically become annoyed by
>> newer people bringing up tired, over-done subjects. That's
>> totally understandable. But somewhere in the Newsgroup
>> etiquette archives there must be something about how to
>> discourage that politely.

>
>Good point "Midlife" and I apologize to other readers for my sensitivity on
>this point, and to Mr. Bueno.
>
>The issue of the repetitive query on newsgroups (which Google singled out in
>the quotation) is very old, and has worn some of us down, and it seems to be
>accelerating. Suggestions for gracious handling would be welcome. (I have
>searched.)


I think it is all a question of balance here. Personally I have not
been offended by any of Leo's posts. In fact I think it is generally
a well-disciplined group all round.

More generally, on the subject of questions that could be answered by
dictionaries, and repeat discussions, I think to an extent the onus is
on all of us to deal with them by replying directly with a FAQ
reference or link to another website, or - even better - try to inject
life into the thread. For example, I am sure there are many factoids
about hogsheads that dictionary.com does not reveal. Likewise - there
are potentially many new angles on old topics.

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http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher


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Leo Bueno
 
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:16:17 -0700, "Max Hauser"
> wrote:

>"Midlife" > wrote:
>. . .
>> It seems that there is a pattern that occurs on these 'boards'
>> where long-time posters periodically become annoyed by
>> newer people bringing up tired, over-done subjects. That's
>> totally understandable. But somewhere in the Newsgroup
>> etiquette archives there must be something about how to
>> discourage that politely.

>
>Good point "Midlife" and I apologize to other readers for my sensitivity on
>this point, and to Mr. Bueno.
>



None needed.

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